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NickyYo StarHug 235	Posted - 2012.10.29 17:27:00 - [1] - Quote and so they have to respawn.. look at this lolz http://i.imgur.com/Zz9Eh.jpg IB4 tears. ..
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 359	Posted - 2012.10.29 17:30:00 - [2] - Quote Although I approve of depleting ice fields, I give you -1 for starting yet another whine thread about high sec ice mining. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
baltec1 Bat Country 2629	Posted - 2012.10.29 17:31:00 - [3] - Quote And the playerbase is now powerless to do anything about it
NickyYo StarHug 235	Posted - 2012.10.29 17:32:00 - [4] - Quote baltec1 wrote: And the playerbase is now powerless to do anything about it Yep, awesome sandbox ey? ..
Urgg Boolean Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 234	Posted - 2012.10.29 17:34:00 - [5] - Quote They already do deplete - it just takes a really long time.
Lord LazyGhost Kadavr Black Guard Shadow Cartel 17	Posted - 2012.10.29 17:35:00 - [6] - Quote **** it jsut stick ice into low sec give low sec somke fun for ones. and we sit and kill all the null bears that com to mien it simles put ice online in low sec nowhere else
Minmatar Citizen160812 The LGBT Last Supper 43	Posted - 2012.10.29 17:46:00 - [7] - Quote baltec1 wrote: And the playerbase is now powerless to do anything about it Why would we have to do anything about it? That security team thing they have for bots has an awesome algorithm for detecting these things....right??? Now, how do they detect prison inmate and sweat shop slaves being used for RMT rings?
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 1819	Posted - 2012.10.29 17:59:00 - [8] - Quote baltec1 wrote: And the playerbase is now powerless to do anything about it Why? Did CCP remove weapons from the game since last I logged in? Or do you mean,"The player base is now scared to do anything about it"? That would be more in line with the general state of 'elite PVP' that I've come to love in this game. Mr Epeen There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks
James Amril-Kesh RAZOR Alliance 1128	Posted - 2012.10.29 18:00:00 - [9] - Quote NickyYo wrote: baltec1 wrote: And the playerbase is now powerless to do anything about it Yep, awesome sandbox ey? Well you could always smartbomb them. OH WAIT YOU CAN'T BECAUSE GSC EVERYWHERE. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem
Kult Altol Republican Industries Epsilon Fleet 189	Posted - 2012.10.29 18:03:00 - [10] - Quote Thats alot of miners, this makes me happy. mine on, fight the power. An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded. A narrow mind is a focused mind.
Azami Nevinyrall Homeworld Republic Intrepid Crossing 583	Posted - 2012.10.29 18:06:00 - [11] - Quote BRB, gotta send a few Smartbombing BS's to an ICE field... Apperently I'm on twitter now... @AzamiNevinyrall
baltec1 Bat Country 2630	Posted - 2012.10.29 18:08:00 - [12] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: baltec1 wrote: And the playerbase is now powerless to do anything about it Why? Did CCP remove weapons from the game since last I logged in? Or do you mean,"The player base is now scared to do anything about it"? That would be more in line with the general state of 'elite PVP' that I've come to love in this game. Mr Epeen More like its now far too expensive.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 5374	Posted - 2012.10.29 18:09:00 - [13] - Quote Azami Nevinyrall wrote: BRB, gotta send a few Smartbombing BS's to an ICE field... The dude who took that screenshot probably doesn't have containers on the overview, and if there are GSCs all over the place (ice fields always do) you won't be able to smartbomb them. ~a-áproud belligerent undesirable~
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 10180	Posted - 2012.10.29 18:10:00 - [14] - Quote Yup. Also, fix smartbombs. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
Jason Xado Xado Industries 29	Posted - 2012.10.29 18:12:00 - [15] - Quote Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote: baltec1 wrote: And the playerbase is now powerless to do anything about it Why would we have to do anything about it? That security team thing they have for bots has an awesome algorithm for detecting these things....right??? Now, how do they detect prison inmate and sweat shop slaves being used for RMT rings? Please do not confue multiboxing with botting. There is no evidence of botting in this screenshot.
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 1819	Posted - 2012.10.29 18:13:00 - [16] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Mr Epeen wrote: baltec1 wrote: And the playerbase is now powerless to do anything about it Why? Did CCP remove weapons from the game since last I logged in? Or do you mean,"The player base is now scared to do anything about it"? That would be more in line with the general state of 'elite PVP' that I've come to love in this game. Mr Epeen More like its now far too expensive. Yup...scared. So you can do it. You are just scared you might have to pay for your fun. Nothing fun is free, bucko. Got it. Mr Epeen There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks
Minmatar Citizen160812 The LGBT Last Supper 43	Posted - 2012.10.29 18:30:00 - [17] - Quote Jason Xado wrote: Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote: baltec1 wrote: And the playerbase is now powerless to do anything about it Why would we have to do anything about it? That security team thing they have for bots has an awesome algorithm for detecting these things....right??? Now, how do they detect prison inmate and sweat shop slaves being used for RMT rings? Please do not confue multiboxing with botting. There is no evidence of botting in this screenshot. I didn't say they were bots. I said they were slaves used in RMT rings to avoid bot detection OR bots. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/25/china-prisoners-internet-gaming-scam
RubyPorto SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 2208	Posted - 2012.10.29 18:40:00 - [18] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: Yup...scared. So you can do it. You are just scared you might have to pay for your fun. Nothing fun is free, bucko. Got it. Mr Epeen So what costs do ice miners accept? Chance of Ganking? Nope. (Or rather, insignificant.) Requirement to be at the Computer? Nope. Fixed cost to run? Nope. Variable output? Nope. Effort? Nope. (A dozen mouse clicks per hour is not effort.) So, what do the ice miners have to pay for their fun? This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. Guess Who's Back.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 339	Posted - 2012.10.29 18:43:00 - [19] - Quote omg someone bump them, BUMP THEM ALL!.
Azrin Stella Oerndotte The Nommo 13	Posted - 2012.10.29 18:44:00 - [20] - Quote Wouldn't limiting ice belts just make it more lucrative for botters to ice mine and make it harder for regular players to cash in? Just imagine ice belts being depleted a few hours after DT, not a good scenario. In my opinion making ice near-worthless is the best way to counter ice-botters, but thats me.
RubyPorto SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 2208	Posted - 2012.10.29 19:09:00 - [21] - Quote Azrin Stella Oerndotte wrote: Wouldn't limiting ice belts just make it more lucrative for botters to ice mine and make it harder for regular players to cash in? Just imagine ice belts being depleted a few hours after DT, not a good scenario. In my opinion making ice near-worthless is the best way to counter ice-botters, but thats me. Making ice near worthless has much less impact on bots (the value of whose time is their Sub cost + electricity consumption) than it has on real people (who also have to feed themselves and such). Ore belts are limited and they don't get depleted quickly at all. Plus, if CCP introduced deplete-able Ice belts, I'd hope they'd add Ice Grav sites as industry upgrades. This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. Guess Who's Back.
Dave stark Black Nova Corp. R O G U E 474	Posted - 2012.10.29 19:12:00 - [22] - Quote RubyPorto wrote: Mr Epeen wrote: Yup...scared. So you can do it. You are just scared you might have to pay for your fun. Nothing fun is free, bucko. Got it. Mr Epeen So what costs do ice miners accept? Chance of Ganking? Nope. (Or rather, insignificant.) Requirement to be at the Computer? Nope. Fixed cost to run? Nope. Variable output? Nope. Effort? Nope. (A dozen mouse clicks per hour is not effort.) So, what do the ice miners have to pay for their fun? you just implied ice mining was fun. that's your first mistake. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold.
Kult Altol Republican Industries Epsilon Fleet 189	Posted - 2012.10.29 19:21:00 - [23] - Quote RubyPorto wrote: Mr Epeen wrote: Yup...scared. So you can do it. You are just scared you might have to pay for your fun. Nothing fun is free, bucko. Got it. Mr Epeen So what costs do ice miners accept? Chance of Ganking? Nope. (Or rather, insignificant.) Requirement to be at the Computer? Nope. Fixed cost to run? Nope. Variable output? Nope. Effort? Nope. (A dozen mouse clicks per hour is not effort.) So, what do the ice miners have to pay for their fun? Chance of Ganking? Extremely high Requirement to be at the Computer? Constant vigilance . Fixed cost to run? High start up, skill wise and ship. Variable output? Perfected technology. Effort? Its alot of effort for me, clicking a mouse is tough when you have no hands or feet. An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded. A narrow mind is a focused mind.
RubyPorto SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 2208	Posted - 2012.10.29 20:16:00 - [24] - Quote Kult Altol wrote: Chance of Ganking? Extremely high Requirement to be at the Computer? Constant vigilance . Fixed cost to run? High start up, skill wise and ship. Variable output? Perfected technology. Effort? Its alot of effort for me, clicking a mouse is tough when you have no hands or feet. Nope. Stats below. Nope. The Mackinaw lets you wander away for an hour at a time. That's not a fixed cost to run. That's a capital investment. So? The fixed output still removes variability as a possible source of risk. Fair enough. Nose-Based Gaming needs a buff. So, what significant risk do miners face? Stats: HAG 5 killed about 14,000 Exhumers (assume each cost 300m), for 3.9T ISK total between the start of May and Today. For argument's sake, let's shoehorn all those kills in before the buff (this has the effect of concentrating the risk) on Aug 28. That's 14,000 kills in 119 days, or 117 kills per day (5 kills per hour). Now, let's assume that there are an average of 500 miners in Exhumers mining in all of Highsec (given that I've seen over a hundred exhumers in one Ice belt before, I think that's well beyond conservative) at any given time. So, every hour, each miner has a 1% chance of getting ganked (on average, he'll get ganked once every hundred hours). Getting ganked costs him 300m ISK, so his risk exposure is about 3m ISK/hr. With a more realistic 2500 Exhumers mining in an average hour (I still think this is low), that drops to 600k ISK/hr of risk. And properly tanked ships simply were not ganked. I've yet to see a killmail showing a properly tanked (pre-buff) hulk getting ganked. Dave stark wrote: you just implied ice mining was fun. that's your first mistake. Why would people play a game to do something they didn't enjoy? This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. Guess Who's Back.
Lyron-Baktos Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle 328	Posted - 2012.10.29 20:20:00 - [25] - Quote Ccp should not for anything until tech moons are fixed Selective Pressure [FOVRA] is now recruiting! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1797934#post1797934
Talus Veran Valis Inc 23	Posted - 2012.10.29 20:30:00 - [26] - Quote I would support Halving or Quartering Ice Size and Refining output respectively, Reducing Cycle time by the same, and Fuel block material requirement. This would make Ice mining more engaging, and cause ice to deplete more quickly. I have always thought that Ice Fields never depleting was odd. "Zee Goggles, Zey Do Nothing!" Message me on Twitter-á-á @talus_veran I follow -á #eveonline-á &-á #tweetfleet
Jaison Savrin Remnants of the Forgotten Seekers of the Unseen 58	Posted - 2012.10.29 20:32:00 - [27] - Quote I have only mined ice (in high sec) on my miner like 2 or three times. However, when I did so local was lively and the conversation of all the folks chilling at the belt made it fun. So from a social standpoint I think the non-depleting ice belts are a good thing. From a game play standpoint I am pretty much meh on it. I don't mine as a living nor am I bothered by people who do. So, whatever.
Touval Lysander Zero Wine 538	Posted - 2012.10.29 20:37:00 - [28] - Quote RubyPorto wrote: Why would people play a game to do something they didn't enjoy? Why are people concerned about people paying to play a game they don't enjoy? What of it? I care not for the "correctness" of either party tbh but these arguments ON BEHALF of other people are getting kind of tedious. "I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Mara Rinn Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium 1982	Posted - 2012.10.29 20:44:00 - [29] - Quote Azrin Stella Oerndotte wrote: Wouldn't limiting ice belts just make it more lucrative for botters to ice mine and make it harder for regular players to cash in? Just imagine ice belts being depleted a few hours after DT, not a good scenario. In my opinion making ice near-worthless is the best way to counter ice-botters, but thats me. Making ice near-worthless is a great way to ensure that most ice harvesters are botters. You can have depleting ice belts and put them in grav sites in order to prevent the "rocks are dead two hours after DT syndrome" that afflicts most of hisec. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players
Touval Lysander Zero Wine 538	Posted - 2012.10.29 20:57:00 - [30] - Quote Mara Rinn wrote: ....in order to prevent the "rocks are dead two hours after DT syndrome" that afflicts most of hisec. In 3 years of mining, I have only come across this "syndrome" maybe once or twice. The number of roids that are not mined in highsec might surprise you. It's more that miners gather like moths to a flame instead of actually, you, know, looking. eg: Derelik. Most of the system remains unmined most of the time. I suspect there are many more. Perhaps making ice useable for something else might increase it's value rather than simply look for even more ways to nerf everything to make something work. What could ice be used for? Triple ice needs at a POS? Engine cooling? Explosives stabiliser in production of ammo? Quafe Esky? Snowballs? There must be more? "I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."

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