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Rammes lol
Risk Breakers C0NVICTED
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Posted - 2012.10.30 14:10:00 -
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ok im looking to fly a dread, more so the moros im already a carrier pilot. Now im not looking to pvp ship to ship but really just POS Bash. So the question is what ship is more usefull for a hit and run on a POS im looking for high DPS fitts
another thing is there another use for dreads or is it just a big POS basher? can i engage a nother cap and do good damage can i engage a sub-cap and kill it |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2012.10.30 14:22:00 -
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Dreads are designed to do two things:
Bash stationary structures Kill other capital ships
That said, they're really almost useless alone. Even in a high DPS dread, you're going to spend a while shooting at the tower to reinforce it, and even longer to kill it, and that's after you take out the guns, of course.
Against sub-caps, they are LOL-useless. You can't track them, and even if they sit still you won't hit them. Unsub or don't.-á I don't care what your reasons are, and neither does anyone else.-á Just click the button and go away - or don't. |
The Renner
Canadian Operations Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.30 14:36:00 -
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confirming blap dreads are not a thing. |
Lucy Oreless
Raptus-Regaliter EntroPraetorian Aegis
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Posted - 2012.10.30 14:50:00 -
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Tracking Dreads... The menace of 0.0 _____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you wanna PVP? Join us -> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=162144 |
Hatsumi Kobayashi
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2012.10.30 15:07:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:Against sub-caps, they are LOL-useless. You can't track them, and even if they sit still you won't hit them.
I was going to write a lenghty reply detailing why you are entirely wrong on this point, but then I realized you were in IRC. CAUTION
SNIGGS |
Dibblerette
The Phantom Regiment THE ROYAL NAVY
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Posted - 2012.10.30 15:15:00 -
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With the right ship and fleet setups, people have had great results dropping a dreadnought on battleship gangs and blapping them like so many shuttles with a smartbomb.
I believe the Moros and Revelation are king for this, not sure which is tops. Nag can sort of make do, and as usual Phoenix is garbage. |
Cerlin
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Posted - 2012.10.30 21:10:00 -
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Look up some of Ncdots recent complete whipes of the drone coallition (especially Imperial legion) and you will find some of the most effective use of dreads in a subcap fight I have seen recently.
400 drakes down in 3 days? Yes please. I want a moros now.
Just happy to have avoided these fights. |
Seleucus Ontuas
The Partisan Brigade Republic Alliance
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Posted - 2012.10.30 22:28:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:Against sub-caps, they are LOL-useless. You can't track them, and even if they sit still you won't hit them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2ti9DFeRMI |
Hathrul
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
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Posted - 2012.10.30 23:20:00 -
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Rammes lol wrote: can i engage a nother cap and do good damage
yes. dreads will hit capitals just fine for massive damage.
Quote: can i engage a sub-cap and kill it
yes and no. solo you cant do anything and you will be extremely vulnerable. but with some ships to web and paint battlecruisers or bigger you can hit them just fine for a lot of damage. with enough support even cruisers will die easily. but you need a fleet, to survive and to get the EW support.
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Huttan Funaila
Maurasi Rymocracy
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Posted - 2012.10.31 00:40:00 -
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Alright. If I think I'm watching that video correctly, the Revelation was using 2 sensor boosters with scan resolution scripts, 2 target painters, 3 lasers and is in siege mode. It was blowing up Drakes in 2 volleys? But the pilot had to change ammo to dent the Maelstroms? Am I missing something? |
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Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2012.10.31 04:01:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:Against sub-caps, they are LOL-useless. You can't track them, and even if they sit still you won't hit them.
mmhmm, you keep telling yourself that. There are better examples out there but this one's the easiest to find for me so I'll just leave this here as an example of their uselessness: http://dontshootx.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=9952
of the 14 KMs, dreads are in the top 3 damage dealers in 11 of them, the single top of 10 and final blow of 9. most people in WHs have since learned not to take battleships anywhere near a sieged dread.
That said, they are not solo ships. |
Goldensaver
Vorbild Industries Inc.
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Posted - 2012.10.31 05:08:00 -
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Huttan Funaila wrote: Alright. If I think I'm watching that video correctly, the Revelation was using 2 sensor boosters with scan resolution scripts, 2 target painters, 3 lasers and is in siege mode. It was blowing up Drakes in 2 volleys? But the pilot had to change ammo to dent the Maelstroms? Am I missing something?
I didn't see him change ammo until later in the fight, when he swapped to Standard crystals because the enemy drakes had pulled range at that point.
But he was denting the Maels, when he hit them well. As it was, he wasn't hitting for full damage (or at all) a good portion of the time.
One of the things about Blap Dreads is that they need support. Webs, TP's, etc. If you can leave their MWD on while reducing their speed to nothing, even better. But you have to get their transversal down, their sig radius up, and your tracking up, but they can do nasty things to sub-caps (except the Chimera, that's... a different story entirely.) |
Seleucus Ontuas
The Partisan Brigade Republic Alliance
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Posted - 2012.10.31 12:06:00 -
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Huttan Funaila wrote: Alright. If I think I'm watching that video correctly, the Revelation was using 2 sensor boosters with scan resolution scripts, 2 target painters, 3 lasers and is in siege mode. It was blowing up Drakes in 2 volleys? But the pilot had to change ammo to dent the Maelstroms? Am I missing something?
Hilariously enough, Drakes with Furies loaded can have a larger sig than Minmatar Battleships. Also, the majority of those Drakes were MWDing (even more sig bloom), the two Maelstroms at the end were not, I believe. |
Rammes lol
Risk Breakers C0NVICTED
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Posted - 2012.10.31 16:53:00 -
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well convinced im going to get one. now what would be better the amarr revolation or gallente moros |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
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Posted - 2012.10.31 17:06:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:Dreads are designed to do Three things:
Bash stationary structures Kill other capital ships Make massive isk with Wormhole cap escalations
That said, they're really almost useless alone. Even in a high DPS dread, you're going to spend a while shooting at the tower to reinforce it, and even longer to kill it, and that's after you take out the guns, of course.
Against sub-caps, they are LOL-useless. You can't track them, and even if they sit still you won't hit them.
Fixed that for you. |
Destoya
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2012.10.31 17:16:00 -
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Rammes lol wrote:well convinced im going to get one. now what would be better the amarr revolation or gallente moros
Moros is better than rev in every way except that you need to reload after obliterating whatever your guns are facing. |
Hatsumi Kobayashi
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2012.10.31 21:28:00 -
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Destoya wrote:Rammes lol wrote:well convinced im going to get one. now what would be better the amarr revolation or gallente moros Moros is better than rev in every way except that you need to reload after obliterating whatever your guns are facing.
AMARR VICTOR CAUTION
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Yorick rashnikov
Lost Society Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2012.11.01 07:25:00 -
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Destoya wrote:Rammes lol wrote:well convinced im going to get one. now what would be better the amarr revolation or gallente moros Moros is better than rev in every way except that you need to reload after obliterating whatever your guns are facing. the Revelation is the POS-bash king, simply because it can shoot for hours without reloading or having to care about getting ammo dropped in in case it runs out during the bash. |
illirdor
The Grey Eagle Society
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Posted - 2012.11.01 08:14:00 -
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Goldensaver wrote:(except the Chimera, that's... a different story entirely.)
yea but thats because the chimera is a carrier
Come to Amamake... The universal answer to everything... |
Oska Rus
Solar Storm Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2012.11.01 13:34:00 -
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Maybe someday Nag will become usefull. :D |
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Goldensaver
Vorbild Industries Inc.
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Posted - 2012.11.01 14:29:00 -
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illirdor wrote:Goldensaver wrote:(except the Chimera, that's... a different story entirely.) yea but thats because the chimera is a carrier My god, I really did say Chimera. What a fail on my part. Thanks for pointing that out. *Headdesk* |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
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Posted - 2012.11.01 14:31:00 -
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I got bored and trained up for a Moros
i literaly have no idea what to do with the skills i've been training for months
i am pr0 TK is recruiting |
Verity Sovereign
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.11.01 14:37:00 -
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The question is... how badass was the Moros when it still had a drone bay and a 20% per level drone damage bonus? |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
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Posted - 2012.11.01 14:42:00 -
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Verity Sovereign wrote:The question is... how badass was the Moros when it still had a drone bay and a 20% per level drone damage bonus? according to EVELOPEDIA it still has a drone bay
(CCP need to light a fire under somebody and change that - the public cant) TK is recruiting |
Gibbo5771
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2012.11.01 15:46:00 -
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A moros, triage archon and an armor rapier with webs + TD's can destroy a small gang easily. Its pretty sad really. |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:17:00 -
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Hatsumi Kobayashi wrote:De'Veldrin wrote:Against sub-caps, they are LOL-useless. You can't track them, and even if they sit still you won't hit them. I was going to write a lenghty reply detailing why you are entirely wrong on this point, but then I realized you were in IRC.
Actually I was completely unfamiliar with the concept of a tracking dread until I read the rest of the replies in this thread. I stand corrected.
I will amend my previous statement to read:
"Against subcaps they are Lol-useless unless you specifically set them up to kill them. And if you're alone against a gang of sub-caps, you're probably gonna die."
Time for a refit I think....
Oska Rus wrote:Maybe someday Nag will become usefull. :D
I keep hoping, but even then I cannot explain the physics required to get it inside an outpost. Does it like fold in half or something to get through the door? Unsub or don't.-á I don't care what your reasons are, and neither does anyone else.-á Just click the button and go away - or don't. |
Casirio
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:27:00 -
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moros is OP atm. Who knows when the others will be brought up to parr or Moros nerf'd. |
Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:29:00 -
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Nah, the nag acts like a b-wing. The whole ship rotates while the crew compartment stays level.
Either that or the station yarns really wide. |
Zyella Stormborn
Alpha Strategy In Umbra Mortis
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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:46:00 -
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I can not seem to find an updated version of ship stats. What bonus does the Moros get that puts it ahead of the Revelation? Or is it simply the weapon system that is superior? (picking up my carrier and dread piloting skills for Amarr in a week, so I am starting to pay much more attention to these kinds of facts).
~Z |
Arazel Chainfire
Sons Of 0din Dark Therapy
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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:56:00 -
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Zyella Stormborn wrote:I can not seem to find an updated version of ship stats. What bonus does the Moros get that puts it ahead of the Revelation? Or is it simply the weapon system that is superior? (picking up my carrier and dread piloting skills for Amarr in a week, so I am starting to pay much more attention to these kinds of facts). ~Z Edit: Ah found it over at UniWiki. Yeah, seems Amarr loses a weapon bonus yet again due to the % weapon fitting for the *cough* privilege of using lasers. I wish they would reassess that, now that the weapon systems are more in line. http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Moroshttp://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Revelationhttp://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Naglfarhttp://wiki.eveuniversity.org/PhoenixIn case anyone needs or wants. Seems to be the newer stats.
Its not just the bonus's from the ships, though admittedly the moros's are pretty nice. It is also that capital blasters have the highest tracking, which means that it is easier to hit for more damage. Add to that that it is doing more damage in the first place, and you start to see why the moros is preferred.
-Arazel |
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