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Qin Tawate
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.30 21:24:00 -
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... which is usually a sign like when everybody did Incursions or FW cycling and so on. If everybody is doing it and it was not quite intended that way, it will get nerfed soon.
In the last months Bat Country and some other high sec suicide gankers made a fortune ganking freighters in Niarja and Uedama. Now you see more and more other groups doing it also in other 0.5 systems after they found out, how easy it is.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1657
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Posted - 2012.10.30 21:25:00 -
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Good stuff. Thanks for letting us know that "unapproved" highsec PvP will soon be nerfed.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
367
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Posted - 2012.10.30 21:27:00 -
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Oh goody! Another freighter gank thread! Ill get the popcorn!
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Qin Tawate
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.10.30 21:28:00 -
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just a hint. I play this game long enough to know, when the nerf is coming. Usually I read a lot hatred and nerd rage by the iwin easy peeps, which will amuse me even more, when my prediction comes true. |
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
50
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Posted - 2012.10.30 21:28:00 -
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Qin Tawate wrote:
... which is usually a sign like when everybody did Incursions or FW cycling and so on. If everybody is doing it and it was not quite intended that way, it will get nerfed soon.
In the last months Bat Country and some other high sec suicide gankers made a fortune ganking freighters in Niarja and Uedama. Now you see more and more other groups doing it also in other 0.5 systems after they found out, how easy it is.
No nerf are needed at all. People just need to stop being stupid with thier stuff. |
Dave stark
Black Nova Corp.
R O G U E
476
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Posted - 2012.10.30 21:30:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Qin Tawate wrote:
... which is usually a sign like when everybody did Incursions or FW cycling and so on. If everybody is doing it and it was not quite intended that way, it will get nerfed soon.
In the last months Bat Country and some other high sec suicide gankers made a fortune ganking freighters in Niarja and Uedama. Now you see more and more other groups doing it also in other 0.5 systems after they found out, how easy it is.
No nerf are needed at all. People just need to stop being stupid with thier stuff.
indeed, screw wasting 1.5bn on a charon when i can let red frog take all the risk for almost no cost to myself.
Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Casirio
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD
Exhale.
84
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Posted - 2012.10.30 21:30:00 -
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cant nerf stupidity. Hey I have an idea? How about I not put 20 bil into my freighter.. just a thought |
Robert De'Arneth
204
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Posted - 2012.10.30 21:31:00 -
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Everyone is bumping miners, does that mean James will soon be looking for a new way to save EVE from certian death?
You have not lived until you have been Wated by Jim!!-á-á |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
1437
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Posted - 2012.10.30 21:33:00 -
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Everyone is activating their modules? This wont stand! I see an incoming nerf to bring lag back. |
lanyaie
675
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Posted - 2012.10.30 21:33:00 -
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CCP can nerf everything but they cant nerf stupid
Hay |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
398
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Posted - 2012.10.30 21:35:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:
No nerf are needed at all. People just need to stop being stupid with thier stuff.
Exactly this.
Freighters with a proper escort aren't getting ganked, and you shouldn't be flying around with a crapton worth of isk in a freighter with no escort.
And I don't see CCP nerfing this because people refuse to accept that EVE, in some situations, expects you to actually play with other people.
In fact, CCP needs to create a pop up for everytime someone puts an amount of items in any ship worth a lot of ISK that warns the person that their freight can make them a potential target to would be pirates. If it's items that CCP isn't able to estimate, the warning should just pop up as a default.
Actually just make it pup up everytime you undock with any hauling ship; with the option to disable it. It's not CCP's responcibility to fix stupid behavior. |
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
50
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Posted - 2012.10.30 21:36:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Qin Tawate wrote:
... which is usually a sign like when everybody did Incursions or FW cycling and so on. If everybody is doing it and it was not quite intended that way, it will get nerfed soon.
In the last months Bat Country and some other high sec suicide gankers made a fortune ganking freighters in Niarja and Uedama. Now you see more and more other groups doing it also in other 0.5 systems after they found out, how easy it is.
No nerf are needed at all. People just need to stop being stupid with thier stuff. indeed, screw wasting 1.5bn on a charon when i can let red frog take all the risk for almost no cost to myself.
The right ship for the right job works too. Super expensive stuff should not be crammed into a freighter. Bulk low value stuff work right in a freighter. Low ends minerals, some PI mats, not sure on number but maybe ammo. The fact that you can fit a packaged miing barge in a GSC does not mean it's a agood idea to do so for example. |
Soon Shin
Caucasian Culture Club
Transmission Lost
192
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Posted - 2012.10.30 21:37:00 -
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You don't ridiculous amount in freighters. Simple. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1657
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Posted - 2012.10.30 21:38:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:No nerf are needed at all. People just need to stop being stupid with thier stuff. And I don't see CCP nerfing this because people refuse to accept that EVE, in some situations, expects you to actually play with other people.
That's what some people tried to say about the hulks/mackinaws earlier.
They were wrong.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air
The Unthinkables
2067
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Posted - 2012.10.30 21:41:00 -
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http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15041849
^ ratting drake the new suicide talos gang |
Qin Tawate
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.10.30 21:41:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:
No nerf are needed at all. People just need to stop being stupid with thier stuff.
High sec was made for stupid peeps or call them Noobs or Rookies or whatever. If we all were so experienced, we would not need a high sec.
Escorts or avoid running a freighter through Niarja or Uedama or other dangerous 0.5 systems, then you do not need High Sec. |
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
543
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Posted - 2012.10.30 21:43:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Freighters with a proper escort aren't getting ganked, and you shouldn't be flying around with a crapton worth of isk in a freighter with no escort.
There ya go. That's stupid. It's everywhere.
"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
5400
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Posted - 2012.10.30 21:43:00 -
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Qin Tawate wrote:High sec was made for stupid peeps or call them Noobs or Rookies or whatever. If we all were so experienced, we would not need a high sec.
Escorts or avoid running a freighter through Niarja or Uedama or other dangerous 0.5 systems, then you do not need High Sec.
yeah those poor rookies moving 30b isk in their freighters :(
~*a-áproud belligerent undesirable*~ |
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
543
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Posted - 2012.10.30 21:48:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:No nerf are needed at all. People just need to stop being stupid with thier stuff. And I don't see CCP nerfing this because people refuse to accept that EVE, in some situations, expects you to actually play with other people. That's what some people tried to say about the hulks/mackinaws earlier. They were wrong.
Were we discussing stupid? Yes, we were.
Stupid pilots gets punished. Goons got stupid. CCP punished stupid.
TL:DR Goons got ganked.
"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
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Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
50
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Posted - 2012.10.30 21:48:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:No nerf are needed at all. People just need to stop being stupid with thier stuff. And I don't see CCP nerfing this because people refuse to accept that EVE, in some situations, expects you to actually play with other people. That's what some people tried to say about the hulks/mackinaws earlier. They were wrong.
They were doing a tiericide at the same time to make every hull usefull for something. We don't really know if they were supposed to be ganked profitably in the first place. Ganking for profit to me seem to be really tightly linked to high sea piracy. You only really attack ship you think are carrying valuable just like gankers do to freighter right now. The difference is we can't board enemy ship but we also have the benefit of the cargo no being unreachable at the bottom of the sea when the ship is destroyed.
Most profit gank seems to come from either pimp ship or hauling vessels anyway. Since there isn't really much of the cargo to steal off a barge/exxhumer, it might be intended to not be profitable to attack as a pirate. If it was intended to be profitable then they indeed goofed on the EHP potential of those ships. |
usrevenge
Enlightened Industries
Test Alliance Please Ignore
13
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Posted - 2012.10.30 21:51:00 -
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freighter ganking isn't a problem, the simple defense is don't put 5bil in a freighter. |
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
50
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Posted - 2012.10.30 21:53:00 -
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Andski wrote:Qin Tawate wrote:High sec was made for stupid peeps or call them Noobs or Rookies or whatever. If we all were so experienced, we would not need a high sec.
Escorts or avoid running a freighter through Niarja or Uedama or other dangerous 0.5 systems, then you do not need High Sec. yeah those poor rookies moving 30b isk in their freighters :(
Would I teach people better to stop being stupid by training for a Talos to join some ganker group instead of stating the obvious on the forum over and over again? |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
399
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Posted - 2012.10.30 21:55:00 -
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Qin Tawate wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:
No nerf are needed at all. People just need to stop being stupid with thier stuff.
High sec was made for stupid peeps or call them Noobs or Rookies or whatever. If we all were so experienced, we would not need a high sec. Escorts or avoid running a freighter through Niarja or Uedama or other dangerous 0.5 systems, then you do not need High Sec.
No one flying a frieghter is inexperienced. If you haven't learned anything in a couple of months of skill training, your only excuse is a lack of intelligence.
And the character bazzar is no excuse. |
Qin Tawate
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.10.30 21:56:00 -
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Andski wrote:Qin Tawate wrote:High sec was made for stupid peeps or call them Noobs or Rookies or whatever. If we all were so experienced, we would not need a high sec.
Escorts or avoid running a freighter through Niarja or Uedama or other dangerous 0.5 systems, then you do not need High Sec. yeah those poor rookies moving 30b isk in their freighters :(
This week nobody killed a freighter with 30b ISK loaded. So much for that... The average was more like 5 billion ISK, including the worth of the freighter.
There are many high sec players, who play this game just time to time. How old your character is, does not say how often you played it or how intensive. Even if you are not a Noob, if you know, what can happen, you do not do it. In the end it is at least annoying, because it means a waste of time to avoid dangerous systems or split freighter loads, because more and more groups want to get their share of these easy freighter suicide ganks. I do it too. I just saw on eve-kill.net this is spreading around. It is no more just in Niarja or Uedama, no more just one or two big alliances.
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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
399
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Posted - 2012.10.30 21:56:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:No nerf are needed at all. People just need to stop being stupid with thier stuff. And I don't see CCP nerfing this because people refuse to accept that EVE, in some situations, expects you to actually play with other people. That's what some people tried to say about the hulks/mackinaws earlier. They were wrong.
I can't afford to be pessimistic. |
Skydell
Space Mermaids
Somethin Awfull Forums
328
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Posted - 2012.10.30 22:01:00 -
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usrevenge wrote:freighter ganking isn't a problem, the simple defense is don't put 5bil in a freighter.
Anytime someone tries to convince you of a 'simple answer' in EVE it's a scam.
It doesn't cost 5 billion to gank a freighter, not even close. The trouble with frieghters is, Inertia and mass mean nothing unless it's to make the ship clumsy.
Yes, I am talking about the ancient art of bumping. |
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
50
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Posted - 2012.10.30 22:02:00 -
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Qin Tawate wrote:Andski wrote:Qin Tawate wrote:High sec was made for stupid peeps or call them Noobs or Rookies or whatever. If we all were so experienced, we would not need a high sec.
Escorts or avoid running a freighter through Niarja or Uedama or other dangerous 0.5 systems, then you do not need High Sec. yeah those poor rookies moving 30b isk in their freighters :( This week nobody killed a freighter with 30b ISK loaded. So much for that... The average was more like 5 billion ISK, including the worth of the freighter. There are many high sec players, who play this game just time to time. How old your character is, does not say how often you played it or how intensive. Even if you are not a Noob, if you know, what can happen, you do not do it. In the end it is at least annoying, because it means a waste of time to avoid dangerous systems or split freighter loads, because more and more groups want to get their share of these easy freighter suicide ganks. I do it too. I just saw on eve-kill.net this is spreading around. It is no more just in Niarja or Uedama, no more just one or two big alliances.
That only mean there was still too much value in the hold when the total goes to 5 bill. It's using the ship the wrong way. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1657
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Posted - 2012.10.30 22:04:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:No nerf are needed at all. People just need to stop being stupid with thier stuff. And I don't see CCP nerfing this because people refuse to accept that EVE, in some situations, expects you to actually play with other people. That's what some people tried to say about the hulks/mackinaws earlier. They were wrong. I can't afford to be pessimistic.
I'd love optimism, too, but it's so rarely justified that if I go out with it, someone will gank me.
(Until the ganking gets nerfed, then I can autopilot my Pithi A-type Optimism all I please)
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
5400
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Posted - 2012.10.30 22:38:00 -
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Qin Tawate wrote:This week nobody killed a freighter with 30b ISK loaded. So much for that... The average was more like 5 billion ISK, including the worth of the freighter.
There are many high sec players, who play this game just time to time. How old your character is, does not say how often you played it or how intensive. Even if you are not a Noob, if you know, what can happen, you do not do it. In the end it is at least annoying, because it means a waste of time to avoid dangerous systems or split freighter loads, because more and more groups want to get their share of these easy freighter suicide ganks. I do it too. I just saw on eve-kill.net this is spreading around. It is no more just in Niarja or Uedama, no more just one or two big alliances.
I hope you're not saying that the game should be changed to suit those who just play Skill Queues Online and don't bother to use common sense in a goddamn PvP game.
Also, you have too much faith in the ISK values that killboards generate.
~*a-áproud belligerent undesirable*~ |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
400
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Posted - 2012.10.30 22:52:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:No nerf are needed at all. People just need to stop being stupid with thier stuff. And I don't see CCP nerfing this because people refuse to accept that EVE, in some situations, expects you to actually play with other people. That's what some people tried to say about the hulks/mackinaws earlier. They were wrong. I can't afford to be pessimistic. I'd love optimism, too, but it's so rarely justified that if I go out with it, someone will gank me. (Until the ganking gets nerfed, then I can autopilot my Pithi A-type Optimism all I please)
Was thinking more of a personal need in real life that tends to carry over into other things.
Shutting down my optimism in EVE could have dire impact on my real life. Like freighter ganking, it's obviously having a dire impact on the emotions of other people, and severe emotional distress tends to lead to people doing drastic things.
Like crying on a forum.
Or maybe some people just have very little dignity and self respect. |
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