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Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
183
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Posted - 2012.10.30 22:53:00 -
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Why do people insist on griefing noobs in this game? 
First it was those poor noobs in 300mil hulks and now these poor, poor newbies in freighters transporting their nooby 10s of billions.  |

Lord Calus
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
34
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Posted - 2012.10.30 22:56:00 -
[32] - Quote
Abloo bloo bloo abloo!!!! ABLOO!!! |

Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
487
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Posted - 2012.10.30 22:56:00 -
[33] - Quote
Crimewatch will fix it. If not, Crimewatch will fix it.
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Qin Tawate
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.10.30 23:14:00 -
[34] - Quote
I know, I upset Goons, when I argue their suicide gank freighter business is so easy, that everybody is imitating it. You do not want it too easy? Fix it. You want easy profit - dont fix it. You cant argue stupid ppl should learn. There will be always more stupid people in this world than smart people like in this game.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1835
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Posted - 2012.10.30 23:19:00 -
[35] - Quote
Qin Tawate wrote: ... which is usually a sign like when everybody did Incursions or FW cycling and so on. If everybody is doing it and it was not quite intended that way, it will get nerfed soon.
In the last months Bat Country and some other high sec suicide gankers made a fortune ganking freighters in Niarja and Uedama. Now you see more and more other groups doing it also in other 0.5 systems after they found out, how easy it is.
Let me add:
Ghost training - working as intended until everyone started doing i t = nerfbat Nano HACs - working as intended until everyone started doing it = nerf-o-rama Ganking miners - working as intended until everyone started doing it = nerfageddon Incursion farming - working as intended until everyone started doing it = deep space nerf
I can cite plenty more examples of the CCP way of things, but you get the idea.
So now we have a toss-up for next nerf. Miner bumping vs freighter ganking.
I'm inclined to go with the ganking as changing the bumping mechanic is a major overhaul that is unlikely to happen any time soon.
But I can assure the naysayers, it is coming.
Mr Epeen 
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |

Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
52
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Posted - 2012.10.30 23:42:00 -
[36] - Quote
Qin Tawate wrote: I know, I upset Goons, when I argue their suicide gank freighter business is so easy, that everybody is imitating it. You do not want it too easy? Fix it. You want easy profit - dont fix it. You cant argue stupid ppl should learn. There will be always more stupid people in this world than smart people like in this game.
You do realise even if they quadrupled the EHP of freighter there would still be some profitable gank to do right? |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1660
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Posted - 2012.10.30 23:42:00 -
[37] - Quote
Frostys Virpio wrote:Qin Tawate wrote: I know, I upset Goons, when I argue their suicide gank freighter business is so easy, that everybody is imitating it. You do not want it too easy? Fix it. You want easy profit - dont fix it. You cant argue stupid ppl should learn. There will be always more stupid people in this world than smart people like in this game.
You do realise even if they quadrupled the EHP of freighter there would still be some profitable gank to do right? Gonna need to increase it by more than 4x then.
How does ... 10x sound? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
52
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Posted - 2012.10.30 23:46:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Qin Tawate wrote: I know, I upset Goons, when I argue their suicide gank freighter business is so easy, that everybody is imitating it. You do not want it too easy? Fix it. You want easy profit - dont fix it. You cant argue stupid ppl should learn. There will be always more stupid people in this world than smart people like in this game.
You do realise even if they quadrupled the EHP of freighter there would still be some profitable gank to do right? Gonna need to increase it by more than 4x then. How does ... 10x sound?
Well to get the right number, divide the breaking point for profitable gank with the crazyest one ever made. I don't know the actual number but I think 10 is still too low. |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
2069
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Posted - 2012.10.30 23:49:00 -
[39] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Qin Tawate wrote: ... which is usually a sign like when everybody did Incursions or FW cycling and so on. If everybody is doing it and it was not quite intended that way, it will get nerfed soon.
In the last months Bat Country and some other high sec suicide gankers made a fortune ganking freighters in Niarja and Uedama. Now you see more and more other groups doing it also in other 0.5 systems after they found out, how easy it is.
Let me add: Ghost training - working as intended until everyone started doing i t = nerfbat Nano HACs - working as intended until everyone started doing it = nerf-o-rama Ganking miners - working as intended until everyone started doing it = nerfageddon Incursion farming - working as intended until everyone started doing it = deep space nerf Highsec manufacturing - working as intended until everyone started doing it =
hmmmm...  |

Lord Calus
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
34
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Posted - 2012.10.31 00:48:00 -
[40] - Quote
I got it guise! We make everyone in the game not able to be destroyed!! Everywhere is safe!!
Then when you can engage in a "duel" where if your ship goes down to boom boom level it gets fully repaired and it says in local "So and so has won a duel against herp da derp!"
We can even have "battlegrounds" where you get a free supply of rifters to e-bushido it out against the other people.
Then we can have a "ladder system" and you can get "arena points" when you win or do real real swell.
Then the ebil goosn will get sick of the carebear land we have created and we can live free from the goosn!!
Free iskies for everywon and no-one ever has to lose a ship ever again to the ebil goosn!! |

Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
52
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Posted - 2012.10.31 01:04:00 -
[41] - Quote
Lord Calus wrote:I got it guise! We make everyone in the game not able to be destroyed!! Everywhere is safe!!
Then when you can engage in a "duel" where if your ship goes down to boom boom level it gets fully repaired and it says in local "So and so has won a duel against herp da derp!"
We can even have "battlegrounds" where you get a free supply of rifters to e-bushido it out against the other people.
Then we can have a "ladder system" and you can get "arena points" when you win or do real real swell.
Then the ebil goosn will get sick of the carebear land we have created and we can live free from the goosn!!
Free iskies for everywon and no-one ever has to lose a ship ever again to the ebil goosn!!
People would still cry about some stuff being OP. |

Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy Caldari State
218
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Posted - 2012.10.31 01:23:00 -
[42] - Quote
Qin Tawate wrote: just a hint. I play this game long enough to know, when the nerf is coming. Usually I read a lot hatred and nerd rage by the iwin easy peeps, which will amuse me even more, when my prediction comes true.
Too bad you haven't played long enough to know how to form sentences correctly. |

Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
1666
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Posted - 2012.10.31 01:41:00 -
[43] - Quote
I can't believe someone actually said an escort would stop a freighter gank. LMFAO
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1664
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Posted - 2012.10.31 02:09:00 -
[44] - Quote
Lord Calus wrote:I got it guise! We make everyone in the game not able to be destroyed!! Everywhere is safe!!
Then when you can engage in a "duel" where if your ship goes down to boom boom level it gets fully repaired and it says in local "So and so has won a duel against herp da derp!"
We can even have "battlegrounds" where you get a free supply of rifters to e-bushido it out against the other people.
Then we can have a "ladder system" and you can get "arena points" when you win or do real real swell.
Then the ebil goosn will get sick of the carebear land we have created and we can live free from the goosn!!
Free iskies for everywon and no-one ever has to lose a ship ever again to the ebil goosn!! Only if there are Aurum Rifters. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
20
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Posted - 2012.10.31 04:06:00 -
[45] - Quote
Easiest & most likely 'Nerf' to ganking freighters. A varient on the proposal to nerf freighters base carrying capacity & give them some fittings. At which point McStupid will fit max Cargo & get ganked, while McSmart won't. Then you can really start to say who is stupid & who is smart. |

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1838
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Posted - 2012.10.31 04:11:00 -
[46] - Quote
Nevyn Auscent wrote:Easiest & most likely 'Nerf' to ganking freighters. A varient on the proposal to nerf freighters base carrying capacity & give them some fittings. At which point McStupid will fit max Cargo & get ganked, while McSmart won't. Then you can really start to say who is stupid & who is smart.
Don't forget the McStupid McWhiners that will cry that they can't gank for free and threaten to McQuit.
Mr McEpeen 
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |

baltec1
Bat Country
2645
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Posted - 2012.10.31 04:23:00 -
[47] - Quote
Nevyn Auscent wrote:Easiest & most likely 'Nerf' to ganking freighters. A varient on the proposal to nerf freighters base carrying capacity & give them some fittings. At which point McStupid will fit max Cargo & get ganked, while McSmart won't. Then you can really start to say who is stupid & who is smart. We can already tell them apart. |

Ghazu
235
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Posted - 2012.10.31 04:28:00 -
[48] - Quote
Qin Tawate wrote: ... which is usually a sign like when everybody did Incursions or FW cycling and so on. If everybody is doing it and it was not quite intended that way, it will get nerfed soon.
In the last months Bat Country and some other high sec suicide gankers made a fortune ganking freighters in Niarja and Uedama. Now you see more and more other groups doing it also in other 0.5 systems after they found out, how easy it is.
OH GOD NOOOOOOO, stop nerfing us by flying nothing but 1 bil or empty flyings come on. http://www.minerbumping.com/ |

Pyramid Scheme
Carebear Productions
29
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Posted - 2012.10.31 04:43:00 -
[49] - Quote
just contract out to red frog or push.
you literally don't have to do anything, and it costs almost nothing. |

Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
33
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Posted - 2012.10.31 05:04:00 -
[50] - Quote
There is a difference though, incursions and FW cycling used to provide resources seeded by CCP, freighter goodness is "seeded" by players.
And arguably no reasonable (as in: aimed at profitable targets) amount of freighter ganks will murder market, so I think it will be fine. |

Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
55
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Posted - 2012.10.31 05:04:00 -
[51] - Quote
Ghazu wrote:Qin Tawate wrote: ... which is usually a sign like when everybody did Incursions or FW cycling and so on. If everybody is doing it and it was not quite intended that way, it will get nerfed soon.
In the last months Bat Country and some other high sec suicide gankers made a fortune ganking freighters in Niarja and Uedama. Now you see more and more other groups doing it also in other 0.5 systems after they found out, how easy it is.
OH GOD NOOOOOOO, stop nerfing us by flying nothing but 1 bil or empty flyings come on.
I don't remember who posted it but I saw the neat idea of 1 trit double wrapped in a fully insured freighter. You still loose money I think but if you have gankers with a short fuse, you might be the one farming tears. |

Herr Hammer Draken
149
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Posted - 2012.10.31 05:08:00 -
[52] - Quote
Well you know how it is too much of a good thing, when everybody is doing it, it gets nerfed. Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet" |

Nostradamouse Riraille
Blackreach. Talocan United
86
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Posted - 2012.10.31 05:12:00 -
[53] - Quote
When will CCP finally nerf stupid? |

pinkdeath Alar
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.10.31 05:17:00 -
[54] - Quote
it is fine just dont fly freighters till after they buff them it is not that big of deal in a time sink you have nothing but time
use your orca lol |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1664
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Posted - 2012.10.31 05:18:00 -
[55] - Quote
pinkdeath Alar wrote:it is fine just dont fly freighters till after they buff them it is not that big of deal in a time sink you have nothing but time Very wise words.
Why risk it today when you won't have to ... tomorrow. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Qin Tawate
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.10.31 10:54:00 -
[56] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:I can't believe someone actually said an escort would stop a freighter gank. LMFAO
needless to say, it was a Goon... 
Usually due to the low HP of a freighter and due to the fact freighter escorts are mostly pittyful (because it is boring as hell, if nothing happens) , it is often possible for the attackers to ignore the escort and still kill the freighter. It goes quick.
What can an escort do in high sec? Bump the freighter back in sentry gun range? Give more EHP with a Damnation. Will you see every freighter with his personnal Booster alt? no... Kill the suicide gankers after they got Concordokkened ... oh wai ... kill the pods of the suicide gankers after they killed the freighter? Pods warp quick.... Kill the wreck? That should be done more often or better steal it.
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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
35
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Posted - 2012.10.31 11:16:00 -
[57] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:I can't believe someone actually said an escort would stop a freighter gank. LMFAO But indeed, with current HS mech little can be done to ganking party. Something gonna change in CW2.0 (recent trend doesn't make massive use of alpha ships, mind you), but then again, throw enough stuff on it, and it will go boom. We are not talking about escort being able to make hauler invulnerable. |

Guy Nextdoor
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.10.31 11:46:00 -
[58] - Quote
Barrogh Habalu wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:I can't believe someone actually said an escort would stop a freighter gank. LMFAO But indeed, with current HS mech little can be done to ganking party. Something gonna change in CW2.0 (recent trend doesn't make massive use of alpha ships, mind you), but then again, throw enough stuff on it, and it will go boom. We are not talking about escort being able to make hauler invulnerable.
a fleet of Blackbirds would stop it |

Obax Bannon
Fidelis Technologies
72
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Posted - 2012.10.31 12:14:00 -
[59] - Quote
Natsett Amuinn wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:
No nerf are needed at all. People just need to stop being stupid with thier stuff.
Exactly this. Freighters with a proper escort aren't getting ganked, and you shouldn't be flying around with a crapton worth of isk in a freighter with no escort. And I don't see CCP nerfing this because people refuse to accept that EVE, in some situations, expects you to actually play with other people. In fact, CCP needs to create a pop up for everytime someone puts an amount of items in any ship worth a lot of ISK that warns the person that their freight can make them a potential target to would be pirates. If it's items that CCP isn't able to estimate, the warning should just pop up as a default. Actually just make it pup up everytime you undock with any hauling ship; with the option to disable it. It's not CCP's responcibility to fix stupid behavior.
Gotta totally agree with Nat there
Common sense rarely previals tho and so we get alot of whiney posts about people loosing freighters with huge amounts of isk on board all flying with seeimingly no escort.
In the face of sheer stupidity and freighter pilots obviously looking to be nominated for some sort of Darwin Award I would have to say everything is working as intended. |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
2076
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Posted - 2012.10.31 15:14:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:I can't believe someone actually said an escort would stop a freighter gank. LMFAO so if a lone falcon escort put ecm on half of the suicide ganking talos' until CONCORD arrived, what would happen? |
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