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General Nusense Republic University Minmatar Republic 26	Posted - 2012.10.30 22:04:00 - [1] - Quote This will happen. Probably in the next year or less. Here is why. If you look at todays influence map you will realize that its pretty much Goonswarm and Pets with some pockets of resistance. Well Ladies and Gentleman, Its about to become all blue from east to west, from north to south. At the current rate of expansion the southern pets will be pushing up to Solar space while the northern pets, with the 50 token GSF pilots in fleet, will push through to Geminate. This will leave just Goonswarm + pets in the north, Goonswarm Pet and PL meatshield TEST in the south and Solar in the east. Since TEST is still Blue to GoonSwarm Federation MK III this will create the "Sea of Blue" or "No targets left except in empire". Lately TEST has been doing the Goon "MiniLuv' freighter ganks in the south. When asked about it, it was said that "empire pubbies sorta fight back" and "we really dont do much except blob a system to death and get no fights". The Ice interdiction, Hulkageddon and the Burn Jita events were to give Goon+Pets targets to shoot at. With the coming of the "Age of Blue" their efforts are going to be focused on Empire, where most of the player base lives. Now you might be saying "Why would Goonswarm care about Empire when all they say is 'Empire is for pubbies, Null Sec is the only way to play EvE Online'", The reason is because they will not have anything to do in null sec except be carebears. Which they pretty much are. They are pretty much being forced to fight for Vale of the Silent even when most of Goonswarm is ratting in Deklien and laughing at their pets taking space and moons and not getting anything in return. Since this is a "Sandbox" game, CCP will not do anything to limit the size of Blue Lists or numbers of people in alliances. WIth the war dec mechanics in place it is so expensive to war dec any of the bigger alliances you just end up being a sitting target. With the amount of people under the GoonSwarm umbrella they can Gank you all day long and you cant really do anything about it. Except to stay docked or not log in. Which is how the Goonswarm tactic works. In closing, Eve is dieing and will be a ghost universe in the near future.
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 278	Posted - 2012.10.30 22:07:00 - [2] - Quote I think you forgot to factor server population into your calculations.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1657	Posted - 2012.10.30 22:07:00 - [3] - Quote General Nusense wrote: Since this is a "Sandbox" game, CCP will not do anything to limit the size of Blue Lists or numbers of people in alliances. WIth the war dec mechanics in place it is so expensive to war dec any of the bigger alliances you just end up being a sitting target. With the amount of people under the GoonSwarm umbrella they can Gank you all day long and you cant really do anything about it. Except to stay docked or not log in. Which is how the Goonswarm tactic works. I hope that ganking will be appropriately nerfed the the future to prevent this deathspiral. Heck, there's no such thing as over-nerfing ganking, since you can still gank in Jita. More ... drastic ... steps may be required. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Rordan D'Kherr Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 136	Posted - 2012.10.30 22:07:00 - [4] - Quote hey, this topic again. didn't read it btw. because we know that eve is dying since 2003.
Bane Necran Appono Astos 608	Posted - 2012.10.30 22:10:00 - [5] - Quote Yeah, those big bad guys in 0.0 are going to totally show hisec what's what. Like Burn Jita, they'll find Hisec to be quite a different place then they imagined during the planning phase. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham
Albrecht Valentyn 461	Posted - 2012.10.30 22:11:00 - [6] - Quote Can it please happen after I transport my plex in my Burst.
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 367	Posted - 2012.10.30 22:11:00 - [7] - Quote Burn highsec thread.... yawn. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 1358	Posted - 2012.10.30 22:12:00 - [8] - Quote Good. If the goons can blue all of null maybe having every other developer and gaming magazine pointing and laughing at CCPs mis-management of their game will compel them to make space people actually want. Godspeed goons. Every Ship in GëíGêçGëí \| [FX7] \| Vote Cthulhu 2012
Skydell Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums 328	Posted - 2012.10.30 22:13:00 - [9] - Quote We hope you enjoy Serentity Server 2
Bane Necran Appono Astos 608	Posted - 2012.10.30 22:16:00 - [10] - Quote Gogela wrote: If the goons can blue all of null 0.0 still won't matter to the majority of players who live in hisec, so it won't really hurt the game that much. But i do agree it might force the devs to take a good hard look at things. What you will see with all of 0.0 blue, is them having no one to screw with but hisec, which is how things have been developing already. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham

Clystan Binaerie Heavy Industries 33	Posted - 2012.10.30 22:17:00 - [11] - Quote I am setting up a bunch of GSC's with the password "IQUIT" at gates throughout the universe. These provide an easy way for people to donate all their stuff to a good cause - me. Thank you.
Dave stark Black Nova Corp. R O G U E 476	Posted - 2012.10.30 22:19:00 - [12] - Quote you think goons and friends won't reset each other just for ***** and giggles. i'll wager they will. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold.
Lord Calus Fractured Core Fatal Ascension 32	Posted - 2012.10.30 22:20:00 - [13] - Quote Post on your real char or GTFO. Sensing a great deal of NCdawt, prosu gosu ~elite pvp~, wulfpaxx, guudfites, anti-blob blob butthurt.
Skydell Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums 328	Posted - 2012.10.30 22:22:00 - [14] - Quote Dave stark wrote: you think goons and friends won't reset each other just for ***** and giggles. i'll wager they will. Agreed but if you look at NAP trains even those are have and have not's and we know how that will end.
usrevenge Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore 14	Posted - 2012.10.30 22:22:00 - [15] - Quote wat? lets say "highsec burns" how long can that last? if every null alliance decides to gank all the highsec... then what. what happens when we run out of ships? do we stop? if so, is it hard to believe mining could become 100% no joke the best isk/hour ratio for income, wouldn't trit and pyerite be over 10/20 isk each? this is probably the 3rd time since I started eve that "insert coalition here" will take over nullsec and never be stopped. also, I know people don't understand this, but CFC and HBC are not blue to each other, last I checked it is ONLY test and ONLY GSF that are blue to each other, this means anyone else in the HBC can be killed by goons, and anyone else in CFC can be killed by test. also, it is always possible the new gypsy coalition will become a new super power, so many things happen in null one minute you can be the most powerful alliance, the next you can forget to pay the sov bill.
Soon Shin Caucasian Culture Club Transmission Lost 192	Posted - 2012.10.30 22:22:00 - [16] - Quote Old news. Its been burning for a while now.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1659	Posted - 2012.10.30 22:28:00 - [17] - Quote usrevenge wrote: so many things happen in null one minute you can be the most powerful alliance, the next you can forget to pay the sov bill. Yeah, about sov bills ... or kicking your sov holding corp ... or having a director push your disband button ... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Suddenly Forums ForumKings Republic University Minmatar Republic 351	Posted - 2012.10.30 22:33:00 - [18] - Quote http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycMR_n4DHmo
Clystan Binaerie Heavy Industries 35	Posted - 2012.10.30 22:36:00 - [19] - Quote Buying marshmallow futures now...
Kinis Deren EVE University Ivy League 76	Posted - 2012.10.30 22:59:00 - [20] - Quote Whilst I don't hold to the same view as OP as to the future of the game, his post does seem to ask (reading between the lines) the following question ... Is high sec the obvious home of emergent gameplay? The only thing I can recall null/low producing on a macro level, since I started to play, is OTEC and the FW LP farming. vOv

Touval Lysander Zero Wine 544	Posted - 2012.10.30 23:08:00 - [21] - Quote [space reserved for FA, Test, Goon rant interspersed with attempts to point out one man's revenge against CCP for touching him in a bad place] "I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Wacktopia Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group 274	Posted - 2012.10.30 23:13:00 - [22] - Quote Tyler Durden wrote: Pounding that kid, I really wanted to put a bullet between the eyes of every endangered panda that wouldn't screw to save its species and every whale or dolphin that gave up and ran itself aground. The bottom line is that now I have one of those annoying signatures.
Tarvos Telesto Blood Fanatics 24	Posted - 2012.10.30 23:30:00 - [23] - Quote Goons and Test alliance please ignore cant even burn jita more than 2 day long, in fact jita burn was nice event but they give up probably because no more of free Tornados or somthing like this, most of goonswarm cant even enter empire space, because of wardec, most ship they use in empire are shutles, fast travel ship and indy with cloaks. Our overlords... Tro-lo-lo-lo
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 1835	Posted - 2012.10.30 23:34:00 - [24] - Quote General Nusense wrote: Eve is dieing and will be a ghost universe in the near future. Is it 2005 again? ( the year I started reading about EVE being on it's deathbed) Mr Epeen There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks
Mortimer Civeri Aliastra Gallente Federation 216	Posted - 2012.10.30 23:38:00 - [25] - Quote General Nonsense wrote: Useless drivel and hyperbole. Fixed your name and TL;DR'ed your post. "I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1660	Posted - 2012.10.30 23:40:00 - [26] - Quote Kinis Deren wrote: Whilst I don't hold to the same view as OP as to the future of the game, his post does seem to ask (reading between the lines) the following question ... Is high sec the obvious home of emergent gameplay? The only thing I can recall null/low producing on a macro level, since I started to play, is OTEC and the FW LP farming. vOv No, emergent gameplay has to be cracked down on. ~unintended use of game mechanics~ cannot be allowed to proliferate. Please report all offenders to the appropriate authorities. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Cold Burrito Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 32	Posted - 2012.10.30 23:42:00 - [27] - Quote The one thing you forgot to factor into your blue sea hypothesis is you assumed that people will get bored and leave because of no fights. All it takes is one bored FC to take a slightly too large roam to Dek, or two alliances racing to tower a previously unknown moon, or one completely over-the-top atomic supernova of a "yo mamma so fat" competition to restart the wheels of reset.
Jame Jarl Retief Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy 302	Posted - 2012.10.30 23:44:00 - [28] - Quote Gogela wrote: Good. If the goons can blue all of null maybe having every other developer and gaming magazine pointing and laughing at CCPs mis-management of their game will compel them to make space people actually want. Godspeed goons. That's my take on it as well. I get really happy when these extremes are reached, in any game, because it really makes the problem stand out. I recently finished my stint in Guild Wars 2, and PvP there is hilarious right now - 90% of most teams is just 2 classes. But that's the only way to get the developers to pay attention. When the game breaks down completely like that, you have to take action or see people quit out of boredom because you can only play the same match so many times before you start contemplating jumping out the window...even if you are on the ground floor.
usrevenge Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore 14	Posted - 2012.10.30 23:48:00 - [29] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: usrevenge wrote: so many things happen in null one minute you can be the most powerful alliance, the next you can forget to pay the sov bill. Yeah, about sov bills ... or kicking your sov holding corp ... or having a director push your disband button ... solodrakbansolodrakbansol? I forget the name of it.. so long ago =p
Clystan Binaerie Heavy Industries 36	Posted - 2012.10.30 23:48:00 - [30] - Quote You know what? When a cat poops in the sandbox, do I see a pile of shyte? No way! I see Kitty Roca.. And you should as well. Plug that in your fourth slot and smoke it.



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