Since this is a "Sandbox" game, CCP will not do anything to limit the size of Blue Lists or numbers of people in alliances. WIth the war dec mechanics in place it is so expensive to war dec any of the bigger alliances you just end up being a sitting target. With the amount of people under the GoonSwarm umbrella they can Gank you all day long and you cant really do anything about it. Except to stay docked or not log in. Which is how the Goonswarm tactic works.

If the goons can blue all of null

you think goons and friends won't reset each other just for ***** and giggles.

i'll wager they will.

so many things happen in null one minute you can be the most powerful alliance, the next you can forget to pay the sov bill.

Pounding that kid, I really wanted to put a bullet between the eyes of every endangered panda that wouldn't screw to save its species and every whale or dolphin that gave up and ran itself aground.

Eve is dieing and will be a ghost universe in the near future.

Useless drivel and hyperbole.

Whilst I don't hold to the same view as OP as to the future of the game, his post does seem to ask (reading between the lines) the following question ...

Is high sec the obvious home of emergent gameplay?

The only thing I can recall null/low producing on a macro level, since I started to play, is OTEC and the FW LP farming. vOv

Good. If the goons can blue all of null maybe having every other developer and gaming magazine pointing and laughing at CCPs mis-management of their game will compel them to make space people actually want.

Godspeed goons.

Yeah, about sov bills ... or kicking your sov holding corp ... or having a director push your disband button ...

The one thing you forgot to factor into your blue sea hypothesis is you assumed that people will get bored and leave because of no fights.

All it takes is one bored FC to take a slightly too large roam to Dek, or two alliances racing to tower a previously unknown moon, or one completely over-the-top atomic supernova of a "yo mamma so fat" competition to restart the wheels of reset.

Old news. Its been burning for a while now.

npc alts always have their fingers on the very pulse of nullsec

lol

This will happen. Probably in the next year or less. Here is why.


If you look at todays influence map you will realize that its pretty much Goonswarm and Pets with some pockets of resistance. Well Ladies and Gentleman, Its about to become all blue from east to west, from north to south. At the current rate of expansion the southern pets will be pushing up to Solar space while the northern pets, with the 50 token GSF pilots in fleet, will push through to Geminate. This will leave just Goonswarm + pets in the north, Goonswarm Pet and PL meatshield TEST in the south and Solar in the east. Since TEST is still Blue to GoonSwarm Federation MK III this will create the "Sea of Blue" or "No targets left except in empire".

Lately TEST has been doing the Goon "MiniLuv' freighter ganks in the south. When asked about it, it was said that "empire pubbies sorta fight back" and "we really dont do much except blob a system to death and get no fights". The Ice interdiction, Hulkageddon and the Burn Jita events were to give Goon+Pets targets to shoot at. With the coming of the "Age of Blue" their efforts are going to be focused on Empire, where most of the player base lives.

Now you might be saying "Why would Goonswarm care about Empire when all they say is 'Empire is for pubbies, Null Sec is the only way to play EvE Online'", The reason is because they will not have anything to do in null sec except be carebears. Which they pretty much are. They are pretty much being forced to fight for Vale of the Silent even when most of Goonswarm is ratting in Deklien and laughing at their pets taking space and moons and not getting anything in return.

Since this is a "Sandbox" game, CCP will not do anything to limit the size of Blue Lists or numbers of people in alliances. WIth the war dec mechanics in place it is so expensive to war dec any of the bigger alliances you just end up being a sitting target. With the amount of people under the GoonSwarm umbrella they can Gank you all day long and you cant really do anything about it. Except to stay docked or not log in. Which is how the Goonswarm tactic works.

In closing,


Eve is dieing and will be a ghost universe in the near future.

It's "dying," by the way.

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Is high sec the obvious home of emergent gameplay?
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Save Eve!

CFC should reset all blues!

They never will.

And we all know why.

Easy everybody join the goons game over.

I don't think the nullsec players have to prove to us that they are in trouble by lashing out at high sec. We know it would be a cry for help, but it's their sandbox and they have to take care of it themselves.

Hey we are just trying to make an honorable living off the drops of players instead of watching our wallets flash from magically respawning NPCs, you players have the power of nerfing our income by not being such juicy targets.

This will happen. Probably in the next year or less. Here is why.


If you look at todays influence map you will realize that its pretty much Goonswarm and Pets with some pockets of resistance. Well Ladies and Gentleman, Its about to become all blue from east to west, from north to south. At the current rate of expansion the southern pets will be pushing up to Solar space while the northern pets, with the 50 token GSF pilots in fleet, will push through to Geminate. This will leave just Goonswarm + pets in the north, Goonswarm Pet and PL meatshield TEST in the south and Solar in the east. Since TEST is still Blue to GoonSwarm Federation MK III this will create the "Sea of Blue" or "No targets left except in empire".

Lately TEST has been doing the Goon "MiniLuv' freighter ganks in the south. When asked about it, it was said that "empire pubbies sorta fight back" and "we really dont do much except blob a system to death and get no fights". The Ice interdiction, Hulkageddon and the Burn Jita events were to give Goon+Pets targets to shoot at. With the coming of the "Age of Blue" their efforts are going to be focused on Empire, where most of the player base lives.

Now you might be saying "Why would Goonswarm care about Empire when all they say is 'Empire is for pubbies, Null Sec is the only way to play EvE Online'", The reason is because they will not have anything to do in null sec except be carebears. Which they pretty much are. They are pretty much being forced to fight for Vale of the Silent even when most of Goonswarm is ratting in Deklien and laughing at their pets taking space and moons and not getting anything in return.

Since this is a "Sandbox" game, CCP will not do anything to limit the size of Blue Lists or numbers of people in alliances. WIth the war dec mechanics in place it is so expensive to war dec any of the bigger alliances you just end up being a sitting target. With the amount of people under the GoonSwarm umbrella they can Gank you all day long and you cant really do anything about it. Except to stay docked or not log in. Which is how the Goonswarm tactic works.

In closing,


Eve is dieing and will be a ghost universe in the near future.

Like we'd just up and set ~certain groups~ blue.

That'd just end up in people awoxing like mad and you know it.

If you guys feel that Goonswarm, Test etc. are a threat to you:

why don't you unite and fight them?

Because the last time they united and fought them, they got their barges buffed under the weight of all the whine.

If you guys feel that Goonswarm, Test etc. are a threat to you:

why don't you unite and fight them?

I mean in space, not in forums

Good. If the goons can blue all of null maybe having every other developer and gaming magazine pointing and laughing at CCPs mis-management of their game will compel them to make space people actually want.

Godspeed goons.

Um... doen't 71% of the accounts exist in Hi-sec (seems that is the number being post on GD)? Seems they already have that.

CCP should be sued for false advertising. It's really not a sandbox. It's just a shooting game played in null sec by null sec rules... seems reasonable to me. Anyone not wishing to play by null sec rules should leave... adapt or die!!!! ;)

Post on your real char or GTFO.

Sensing a great deal of NCdawt, prosu gosu ~elite pvp~, wulfpaxx, guudfites, anti-blob blob butthurt.

That's really pitiful.

Players in eve play by their own rules. Prblem is A) Reality has it's own set of rules and B) other people playing the sandbox and and will legitimately make you play by THEIR rules.

Don't like it, no problem, to each his own but don't let the door hit your backside on the way out.

That's really pitiful.

Players in eve play by their own rules. Prblem is A) Reality has it's own set of rules and B) other people playing the sandbox and and will legitimately make you play by THEIR rules.

Don't like it, no problem, to each his own but don't let the door hit your backside on the way out.

You completely went off the wrong way. I see that quite often in your posts. And hostile... wow. you really need to go afk for a while.

Seriously....way too hostile chill out man.

The big Nullsec alliances should ramp up their recruitment drives.

It's clearly the solution to all your lack of combat woes.

Dear God, you guys can't even handle conflict on the forums. I mean i get not wanting to go to null or pvp or what-not, but damn, is everything supposed to be happy happy fun time with you people?

I mean seriously, that wasn't even me on harsh mode lol.

I simply don't think people your you 2 guys "temperament" are cut out for EVE. Unfortunately, there are lots of your type around, which is what I'll never understand because this great non-pvp game exists and you should go there.....

I've said over and over that the current sovereignty system is so broken it's actually kind of hard to believe CCP went forward with such a pitiable design to begin with. It doesn't just need tweaked and adjusted, it needs to be thrown out because the entire concept of how sovereignty works in EVE is just laughably bad.

And what you see in null-sec is the natural result of this obviously broken system.

It needs to be thrown out in its entirety and completely re-imagined. Despite its mountains of flaws, EVE used to be a fun and dynamic game where anything seemed possible and players were always coming up with the unexpected. But those days are long past. Now the cycles of EVE are as predictable as the sun, and virtually every aspect of the game has been nerfed, re-nerfed, and pre-nerfed to create an all-too-predictable grind based, intentionally or not, on the banal rock-paper-scissors theory of game design. Uhhhhh.

Rather than help foster a dynamic player vs. player environment of risk and entertainment, the current system has caused player interactions to devolve to the lowest common denominator. B-o-r-i-n-g.

EVE needs an enema. And it needs to go where the crap is spewing from, which is the sovereignty system.

You are so lost. Hopefully you'll get a GPS.

[u]

Don't need one, i got Dotlan. and lol, Im not the one playing a pvp game who doesn't like pvp.

In my personal opinion, this is the answer. I've always wanted to join TEST or Goons (that is no longer my objective, instead I cater to rejects) and I think that if they made some official marketing campaign which consolidated a universal "recruitment drive" between the CFC and HBC - we'd see a good chunk of the high sec community making the move down to get involved in 0.0 warfare.

From past experience, one of the main reasons why the high sec folks don't go down to 0.0 is because they have developed an image of null sec having a really high bar for entry . I've tried recruiting many "carebear" types before, and 75% respond to be with something along the lines of "I don't think I'm ready for Null Sec yet..." Some of them had over 6 months of experience under the belt - will they ever be ready? In actual fact, Null Sec can be enjoyed by week-old newbies. The next step for big alliance success, would be for the super-powers to break down the high-sec consensus that null sec is too scary/dangerous/elite for them.

If a dude (no chicks play EVE) doesn't have enough sack to fly an imaginary space ship to an imaginary part of space, they have more problems than lack of recruitment drives.

And are you completely daft? You really think a recruitment drive by THE most hated alliance in game (I like that Goons are screwing with stupid people and I STILL can't bring myself self to say the words "I like Goons" lol) is gonna change anything. Damn, why didn't I think of that, all those miners with blown up ships will simply let bygones be bygones and join goons....

BTW, the doctor called, he said you forgot to take your meds lol.

lol I'm not the one playing a sandbox game who doesn't like people who don't play they way they do. lol ;)

If the Goons began openly recruiting without security deposits, I believe a lot of people (lots coming from high sec) would join them.

If the Goons began openly recruiting without security deposits, I believe a lot of people (lots coming from high sec) would join them.

Dear God, you guys can't even handle conflict on the forums. I mean i get not wanting to go to null or pvp or what-not, but damn, is everything supposed to be happy happy fun time with you people?

I mean seriously, that wasn't even me on harsh mode lol.

I simply don't think people your you 2 guys "temperament" are cut out for EVE. Unfortunately, there are lots of your type around, which is what I'll never understand because this great non-pvp game exists and you should go there.....

I need to put in my sig (for nimrods such as this) the fact that I don't care how anyone plays. I just keep telling them they (like I have) need to accept the realities of EVE instead of trying to change them.

I like to explore, sometimes people try to scan me down and kill me despite the fact that i'd rather PVE right then. Nature of the game, no way I can get mad at that.

Folks like you don't get it though, and that's a shame.

Considering I've been playing longer than you Jenna...I'd like to think I have a bit more of a mature/balanced look. You on the other hand...

When in doubt, respect my authoritah!

I guess that means it falls to me to say; Dear God, you guys can't even handle conflict on the forums. I mean i get not wanting to go to null or pvp or what-not, but damn, is everything supposed to be happy happy fun time with you people?

I mean seriously, that wasn't even me on harsh mode lol.

I simply don't think people your you 2 guys "temperament" are cut out for EVE. Unfortunately, there are lots of your type around, which is what I'll never understand because this great non-pvp game exists and you should go there.....

When in doubt, respect my authoritah!

I guess that means it falls to me to say; Dear God, you guys can't even handle conflict on the forums. I mean i get not wanting to go to null or pvp or what-not, but damn, is everything supposed to be happy happy fun time with you people?

I mean seriously, that wasn't even me on harsh mode lol.

I simply don't think people your you 2 guys "temperament" are cut out for EVE. Unfortunately, there are lots of your type around, which is what I'll never understand because this great non-pvp game exists and you should go there.....

I dont think for one moment 0.0 will ever be a sea of blue.Power blocks come ad go ,and the game changes BOB was going to control null ,now its gone.Everything in a sandbox game is ever changing.

you think goons and friends won't reset each other just for ***** and giggles.

i'll wager they will.

I too, bet this will happen. After the delve war, I figured this is the only way it could end....

for ***** and giggles.

It wont happen as long as tech moons are still wort as much.

But wouldn't the NAPs break apart in power grabs to take moons for themselves?

No.

And this is based off?...
I'm not trying to troll but I'm curious. Would the CFC just say "screw it" and try to invade low/high? :S

It's a really long and complicated answer, but generally it comes down to our diplomatic corps working very hard.

So you lot would never consider turning on each other? Or other coalition members? I just wouldn't know what you'd all do if everything became a big blue yonder in nul

But I know a few of your diplos. They really do work their butts off

Well of course we would/will, it is just unlikely to be random.

This will happen. Probably in the next year or less. Here is why.


If you look at todays influence map you will realize that its pretty much Goonswarm and Pets with some pockets of resistance. Well Ladies and Gentleman, Its about to become all blue from east to west, from north to south. At the current rate of expansion the southern pets will be pushing up to Solar space while the northern pets, with the 50 token GSF pilots in fleet, will push through to Geminate. This will leave just Goonswarm + pets in the north, Goonswarm Pet and PL meatshield TEST in the south and Solar in the east. Since TEST is still Blue to GoonSwarm Federation MK III this will create the "Sea of Blue" or "No targets left except in empire".

Lately TEST has been doing the Goon "MiniLuv' freighter ganks in the south. When asked about it, it was said that "empire pubbies sorta fight back" and "we really dont do much except blob a system to death and get no fights". The Ice interdiction, Hulkageddon and the Burn Jita events were to give Goon+Pets targets to shoot at. With the coming of the "Age of Blue" their efforts are going to be focused on Empire, where most of the player base lives.

Now you might be saying "Why would Goonswarm care about Empire when all they say is 'Empire is for pubbies, Null Sec is the only way to play EvE Online'", The reason is because they will not have anything to do in null sec except be carebears. Which they pretty much are. They are pretty much being forced to fight for Vale of the Silent even when most of Goonswarm is ratting in Deklien and laughing at their pets taking space and moons and not getting anything in return.

Since this is a "Sandbox" game, CCP will not do anything to limit the size of Blue Lists or numbers of people in alliances. WIth the war dec mechanics in place it is so expensive to war dec any of the bigger alliances you just end up being a sitting target. With the amount of people under the GoonSwarm umbrella they can Gank you all day long and you cant really do anything about it. Except to stay docked or not log in. Which is how the Goonswarm tactic works.

In closing,


Eve is dieing and will be a ghost universe in the near future.

And this is based off?...
I'm not trying to troll but I'm curious. Would the CFC just say "screw it" and try to invade low/high? :S

This is just a bunch of filth and drivel that boils down to "CCP needs to force null players to shoot each other or they'll ruin the game".

It's just more BS propaganda to make it sound like there's a problem where none exists; in an effort to have the game altered from what it is, and into something it isn't. Some people just want a high sec themepark where they can fly around and do whatever they want without any risk, while they completely destroy an entire aspect of the game that many of us play EVE for, the market.

With the multitude of MMO's that allow you to farm your hearts out in absolute safety to support an auction house economy, one has to wonder why you're here, RUINING a prefectly good game.

Reading comprehension fail.

Reading comprehension fail.

You also think this is a non-PVP game. v0v

PVP in EVE is everything you can think of, except shipspinning. Your definition is the one which has been "changed to fit my needs".

Completely onboard until the bold part (my bold). There isn't a problem. Don't change the game from what it is. Don't change it into something it isn't.

Then you turn around say there's a problem because hi-sec is a theme park where people can fly around... etc. If it is a perfectly good game then don't change anything.



OT but reminds of Obama in 08: Come, join me as we change this great nation of ours.. um, if it is so great then why do we need to change it?

No maam, I'm saying that people like the OP would be perfectly happy if CCP did something like make PvP non viable in high sec, because obviously high sec pvp is only happening because we're not forced to shoot at each other.

By doing that they're showing they would be perfectly happy if high sec turned into a themepark where you just fly around and farm all day with no worry about losing anything.

High sec is most deffinately not a themepark, and I hope that it never becomes one, because it would ruin the market and economic side of the game that many of us play EVE for.

So, GOONSWARM will unite all players under their Banner? Everyone will be blue, goons win eve.

Or will goonswarm pick on individual targets in attempt to enslave them? Denial of fun is something that EVE can deliver. Cloak + Dock.

Enslaved people will stick into NPC starter corps. They can't be war decced. Suicide ganking is way too expensive in high sec. Finally enough kill rights and enough noobships. People can be more cost effective at defense in high sec.

Goons don't want to make the game unfun, we want the game to be more fun.

The only people that think we want to make EVE unfun are the poeple that already dislike PvP. Those guys are the ones that want to make EVE unfun by removing high sec pvp.

No one should be able to hide in an an NPC corp to avoid pvp, and there seems to be a number of people who think that that is what the NPC corps are there for.


Maybe if some of these groups that are supposed to be dedicated to teaching new players in EVE stopped teaching people to dock up when there's a war dec so they don't lose a ship, fewer people would be complaining about how unfun it is to PvP in EVE, and they'd learn to be less risk averse in the process.

Trying to understand where you are coming from so please do not take offense, but I am pretty certian you told us yesterday you do not pvp.

I don't pvp, but my playstyle is dependant upon people getting blown up. EVE's PvE content isn't sufficient for ensuring people get blown up, and if people in high sec don't get blown up it adversely effects my playstyle in null.

A lot of people seem to think that high sec is high sec and that playing in high sec only effects high sec. It does not. High sec activity impacts EVERY area of New Eden. If you can fly around farming loot, and generating isk without any loss it would adversely effect the economy throughtout the entire game.

PvP is the only tool CCP has given the players to impact the ecoomy in high sec. Every time they make it harder to blow stuff up in high sec, it has an effect on aspects of the game that don't actually involve shooting other people.

Namely, my gamelay experience and play style.

No, but nice try. :)

Can you point me to the dev blog where they said high sec will ever be risk free, I would not mind reading this.

Goons don't want to make the game unfun, we want the game to be more fun.

The only people that think we want to make EVE unfun are the poeple that already dislike PvP. Those guys are the ones that want to make EVE unfun by removing high sec pvp.

No one should be able to hide in an an NPC corp to avoid pvp, and there seems to be a number of people who think that that is what the NPC corps are there for.


Maybe if some of these groups that are supposed to be dedicated to teaching new players in EVE stopped teaching people to dock up when there's a war dec so they don't lose a ship, fewer people would be complaining about how unfun it is to PvP in EVE, and they'd learn to be less risk averse in the process.

I've never said that CCP said that.

That doesn't mean they haven't been actively making ganking "harder" in the sense they they're making it require larger investments or harsher penalties on the agressor; which they have been doing.

Removing insurance payouts
Buffing mining EHP
FFA flags for "theft" (I do understand this is more about the baiting of people)
Public kill rights
Bounty system
Gankers are allowed to be profitable to kill, but not the person being ganked.

All that after the ganker is guaranteed to get blown up by an ominipotent force that they aren't allowed to fight back against.

They're pitching this idea that they want people to be "pirates" in high sec, yet they've steadilly implimented changes that make being a high sec pirate as much a pain in the ass as posible. The only reason you would do that is because you're attempting to dissuade as many people from engaging in such activities as you can, without coming out and simply removing high sec pvp.

They've said they will never remove ganking, but that doesn't mean they won't make it as undesirable as they possibly can untill the players themselves just stop doing it. This is my biggest concern. Not that they'll remove the potential, just that they'll make it so undesirable to do that only a very few people will ever do it.

It's like a polotician saying they won't raise taxes, or create any new taxes for the middle and lower class, and instead they eliminate tax breaks those people recieve. It's the same difference.

According to everyone else on the GD, there is already lots of PvP. So there is no way to remove it. Buying and selling is PvP according to them. So you have to be wrong in most of your post based on their definition of PvP.

You are saying fun is blowing people up or getting blown up (if I understand your definition of PvP). Not everyone wants that. That is the basic difference in most arguments in EVE. Some people think EVE is all about shooting/combat/blowing things up. Some people think EVE is all about everything else in the game. No one is wrong but it's how you define fun which causes the difference in opinions/sides.

So WTF is my point? We don't need any major changes. It's just fine the way it is.

(and I appreciate your thread because you are using PvP in the form which most people use it!!)

Unfotunetly PvP is the only activety in the game, where when people complain that it's not fun and something they don't want to do in high sec, changes get made to make it tougher.

CCP doesn't make mining less viable becaue, I imagine, the majority of people think it's unfun.

They don't make trading less viable because some find it unfun.

Manufacturing, invention, exploratioin, none of these things are made more tedious or less fun to the people that do enjoy those activeties, because other people find them unfun.

Interstingly, all those activities impact you whether you participate in them or not, but it's only pvp that gets screwed aroudn with because some peope think it's unfun.

We don't all have to like it, but we should all be accepting it because IT IS a part of the game.

Hey, some people don't like large scale pvp, or blobing, and they want CCP to change this. CCP has never limited the number of people that can engage in pvp at once outside of how many people the server can support in a given area; they infact developed technology to support "blobbing".

So...PVP flag?

So why not allow people to flag themselves as pirates? with the mining/indy EHP buff concord doesn't have to be *instant* if you fit a damn shield tank to an exhumer. and a pirate flag would allow people to attack said person without concord intervention. but if you do, concord's not going to protect you for taking the law into your own hands. ganking a freighter automatically sets you to open season in high sec and you start getting shot on sight. bonus if concord autotallys a bounty on your ass worth 20% of the hull you fly, in similar fashion to the belt rat bounties.

Make it a month-long cooldown without shooting some indy and you'll get plenty of PvP opportunity in highsec. wouldn't even need to shoot indys after a point.

Basically make suicide gankers effectively war targets. it would draw PvP their way, and bluntly 99% of the people they suicide gank will just whine and ***** and cry and say things are broken, while a few people like me would be gleefully fitting a megathron to chase you down and die horribly to the inevitable ambush you've arranged with your buddies.

Is any of this workable? probably not, I'm not a game designer. But I think things could afford to be a little more dynamic, rather than X + Y = CONCORDUKEN!

But there should be consequences for pirate lifestyles. Dont ask me how to balance them out because I suck at that ****.

Plus no matter how many people you please, there will be a vocal minority who will scream about how you ruined the game. I don't see a risk-free highsec as anything but completely boring and I hang there. Belt rats in a .5 system can't even break the tanks on my indy ships so they're automatically discounted as a threat.

So why not allow people to flag themselves as pirates? with the mining/indy EHP buff concord doesn't have to be *instant* if you fit a damn shield tank to an exhumer. and a pirate flag would allow people to attack said person without concord intervention. but if you do, concord's not going to protect you for taking the law into your own hands. ganking a freighter automatically sets you to open season in high sec and you start getting shot on sight. bonus if concord autotallys a bounty on your ass worth 20% of the hull you fly, in similar fashion to the belt rat bounties.

Make it a month-long cooldown without shooting some indy and you'll get plenty of PvP opportunity in highsec. wouldn't even need to shoot indys after a point.

Basically make suicide gankers effectively war targets. it would draw PvP their way, and bluntly 99% of the people they suicide gank will just whine and ***** and cry and say things are broken, while a few people like me would be gleefully fitting a megathron to chase you down and die horribly to the inevitable ambush you've arranged with your buddies.

Is any of this workable? probably not, I'm not a game designer. But I think things could afford to be a little more dynamic, rather than X + Y = CONCORDUKEN!

But there should be consequences for pirate lifestyles. Dont ask me how to balance them out because I suck at that ****.

Plus no matter how many people you please, there will be a vocal minority who will scream about how you ruined the game. I don't see a risk-free highsec as anything but completely boring and I hang there. Belt rats in a .5 system can't even break the tanks on my indy ships so they're automatically discounted as a threat.

I'd rather they just made it so that after a few months you are required to either join a player corp, or you have to pick a faction to play for.

Each faction is tied to another faction just like FW, but has it's own ruleset that only allows people to shoot each other from the tied factions. If you're Caldari you can shoot gallente people, and vice versa. Allow people to switch factions as long as standing allows.

And then nerf random ganking into the dirt so that people get a few months in the NPC corp to learn the ropes, and if they join a militia in high sec the only people they have to worry about is gusy of the apposing militia.

Have the navy respond to high sec agression between militia members instead of concord, and have the navy react with a size and force appropriate to the player force.

Have systems nearer the the interior of each empire have considerably higher navy presence to make them extremely difficult to enter.

Have guys that aggress more recieve lower standing towards the apposing miltia and the lower it gets the harder the navy force will be to deal with that spawns.

Keep lowsec the place that militias and corps can go to fight for control of systems for their empire. They could even tie the success of each faction in low sec to high sec by having higher navy prsence for the winning sides.

Have destroying high sec navies have some small impact on conditions in null, perhaps lower navy forces in low sec systems where lots of navy ships are destroyed in high for that faction.



I know that the people who use the NPC corps to avoid wardecs and minimize their expose to pvp wouldn't like it, but it would reinforce the fact that the empires are all at war, and that high sec isn't a safe place to be, while hopefully keeping to a minimum the number of peopel that are allowed to pvp in high sec to ensure people are being blown up.

Please note: Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up. Thank you.

So a complete change in the way the game is currently played?

I'd rather they just made it so that after a few months you are required to either join a player corp, or you have to pick a faction to play for.

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Quit trying to redefine things.

PvP == Player verses Player

This can be spaceship combat PvP, market PvP, diplomatic/political PvP.

If you can't stand being pitted against other players, then don't play a massively multi-player game.

Yeah...

It's more of a, "If I was going to do it from the ground up sort of thing" and not so much something "I think" they should do.


I think that the years of NPC corps might have had a slight effect on the way that some people expect high sec to work. As in, "I'm in an NPC corp, that means i don't want to pvp and shouldn't have to".

Mostly because I've seen people saying literally that in some threads.

If it had been done from the ground up to reinforce the idea that pvp is as much a part of high sec as it is any other place of the game, it's just a little safer here is all, then maybe people would "get it" more.

So when a player posts they want to learn how to PvP, you are going to train them to buy, sell and make stuff?

depends where they post, and the context of their post. obviously if they are asking for ship fittings they aren't interested in the market.
conversely if they post in market discussion they clearly don't care how amazing your rifter fit is.

Nothing here that I disagree with. My idea you quoted was an example, not one I seriously believe to be a thing of brilliance.

But if people really are as desperate as they say for real PvP, then let them get a month long flag that says "i'm a valid target" when they do a gank.

I think that would show whether or not people really are interested in the gudfites, or whether or not they're suicide ganking because they can't be bothered to hit people who have the ability to meaningfully return fire.

the claim (not from you) is that people are so risk averse that they won't fight, period.

I'm curious what the gankers will do if suddenly they're the target of good fights, as opposed to bob the builder with 3-5 T1 drones for defense.

I'm betting it'll involve a lot of ganker tears and cries of unfairness. and the people who form fleets to kill each other and engage Sov warfare will do what they always do. Roll their eyes and call primary.

I'd rather they just made it so that after a few months you are required to either join a player corp, or you have to pick a faction to play for.

conversely if they post in market discussion they clearly don't care how amazing your rifter fit is.

They stopped just a step from that when CCP jacked the Starter/NPC corp taxes through the roof a few years ago. All it accomplished was people spending a mil or so and a proliferation of 1 person corps IIRC.

*chuckle* And James 315 has shown how 'effective' war decing a one man corp really is. :-)

Well if what OP says is correct, we obviously have some very uninspired, uncreative, and generally feckless gameplay going on in null. Rhetorical questions:

-Is a pet always a pet? Will they always be content being pets? If they blue all of null and run out of anything to shoot, could they possibly get ambitious and ::gasp:: start doing autonomous diplomacy/aggression of their own? Or is the Goon Empire/Pax Goonana set in cement, to last forever and ever? If so, then people forgot how to play in a PVP sandbox.

-Is the Goon machine so internally strong and healthy that it's self-sustaining, infinitely? Is it not possible that Goons could bore themselves into their own graves? Just from having a lack of meaningful challenges. Or does the machine have an infinite supply of leaders with the time, enthusiasm, and talent to motivate an organization that large? That hasn't been my experience with any group I've been, in EVE or otherwise. Talented people leave, less talented people take over, things decline. "All things pass gas." No, I mean, "All things must pass."

-If null has become a stagnant pool of entropic boredom, doesn't that create opportunities for opportunistic opportunists? It sounds as if null is doing repetitive things by rote. People are set in their ways. People aren't really thinking. There are lots of wealth and resources around. That sounds like an opportunity for some creative and eventually profitable mischief.

I think you forgot to factor server population into your calculations.

Lets be honest, if the Goons stopped spamming the forums, they would effectively disappear for most players.

you think goons and friends won't reset each other just for ***** and giggles.

i'll wager they will.

Blah, blah blah......are we talking about "buring" his-sec again?

The Goons are so dumb. Think of all the ISK they wasted in the "burn" Jita adventure. I dare them to come to hi-sec and do it again. It's made mining and production awesome.

Bring it on!

Blah, blah blah......are we talking about "buring" his-sec again?

The Goons are so dumb. Think of all the ISK they wasted in the "burn" Jita adventure. I dare them to come to hi-sec and do it again. It's made mining and production awesome.

Bring it on!

I think you forgot to factor server population into your calculations.

get some botox already, jesus christ.

Lol, I hope Goons and friends get bored in null and advance moreso into highsec; here's a secret, they actually make this game interesting and more fun. Shh.. don't tell anybody.

She's fine.
You mistook shadows for wrinkles.
Botox is bad and you should feel bad.

So long as there exists people who have no control over their own ego, you can rest assured there will be many yeaers of red on blue action regardless of space security status.

Null sec shall burn! ohhhh I'm big bad and scary! see I can do it too.

It is, I hear Vale of the Silent is burning.

Also -A-'s home.