With mass tantrums comes radical change.

Look at the Exhumer buff, for instance. The elites took a legitimate game mechanic and used it to push CCP to nerfing their favorite pastime.

Now they are childishly ganking every freighter that crosses their path and bumping every miner that has the audacity to undock.

It will end badly for them ('them' being anyone who abuses the system. Not just gankers.) and they will cry a river that it's everyone's fault but theirs. When that's exactly who's fault it is.

Mr Epeen

See my previous reply to Riot Girl, you are both making the same point and either willfully misunderstanding me or just incapable of seeing the distinction im trying to point out. PVPers whine about hisec players not actively trying to PVP more. Hisec players arent safe, they just try to minimize the PVP combat risk because thats how they like to play. The are allowed to do that, because they are still at risk anyways since its a PVP all over the place all the time game.

Stop behaving like i mean its ok to turn off a pvp flag (which i have explicitely said i DONT want).

So, give the freighter enough EHP to survive a high alpha, but give it little to no recharge. That way, moving a loaded freighter with a couple friend cross repping logi's can keep the freighter alive long enough for CONCORD response.

Wait... 30K EHP... never mind. That would be some alpha.

Seems to me we don't need to change the freighter. We need to change the mindset of the people flying them to have some friendly logi ships hanging around to rep them long enough for concord to arrive.

Or am I missing something? Are 30K alpha's common? Or would they just alpha the logi then take out the freighter?

Null sec is perfectly capable of producing ships and modules there's just no one around to do it on a large enough scale. I think the main problems are most null alliances don't have a decent sized indy wing and even if they did nullsec isn't indy friendly. Why you might ask?

Did you even read your own thread, brotato?

Good point. But we won't know

Spoken like a true antisocial. "Honestly officer it was the rich dudes fault for buying a ferrari, I wouldn't have stolen it otherwise..."

Or how about this one, "if she wasn't dressed that way..."

All statements of this type serve no other purpose that to divert responsibility for your actions to someone else.

FWIW, Goonswarm members' experience of null are not representative of null in general. Not been a member myself, but have heard stories of how living in null went, and they simply do not match -- particularly when inconsiderate tryhard leadership gets involved.

Good idea. What shall we call these spaces with no local?

Not speaking of industrialists only. I have been called a "pathetic carebear" when I didn't show up to super-restrictive AHAC fleets, and have been told to train "real ships" and to stop being useless upon not being able to fly a high-skilled Guardian or T2-gunned battleship... 9 months into the game.

Also I have been in situations of "there is a CTA on; either get in fleet and show up, or log off". It's not very pleasant, and it's not something Goons go through.

More common than you'd think. A lot of alliance leadership don't like it when they don't have supreme control over their members.

To be fair, the alliance I was in crumbled at the time as well. It's sort of getting on now under completely different operations, leadership, and without sov. Hint: it starts with an "U", ends with an "n" and they comes for their people.

The trouble is, small alliances simply cannot afford to not be "evil" about mandatory ops, because if they aren't mandatory, the "it's okay if I don't show up for this one, everyone else will" attitude will end up in a perfect example of the tragedy of the commons -- and the alliance kerplodes anyway.

It takes a special brand of leadership and motivation to get people going without holding a gun to their head, and unfortunately, the only place I've seen it really work in 0.0 is in CFC/HBC, where they have the numbers to be more lenient on "at-will" show-ups. As much disdain as I may have for ye olde random goon and his abilities in Eve, as a corp CEO I have all the respect for the cat-herding abilities of Goonswarm leadership.

Apparently not. Searching the terms 'Insurance Costs' just brings up a load of recent GD threads. None of which complain about insurance costs being an issue.

The only costs I ever hear anyone complain about is clone costs and Meta 4 being too cheap because high-sec needs to be nerfed.