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White Quake
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
56
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Posted - 2012.10.30 23:51:00 -
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Hello
As i have stated before i am not new to EvE but new to the forums. As a PvP pilot of nine years, i am find it highly disturbing the amount of hostility that PvP pilots direct at high sec PvE players, i do not use the term care-bear as it is derogatory towards other players who do not choose to game as i do. Below i am going to highlight issues i have with the current PvP pilot attitude towards PvE players.
1. We hate miners - The question is why? What is it they do other than play EvE online in a different way to you? The truth is, nothing, 0.0 alliances control the market, not empire corps, they never have. So why the hate towards miners?
2. We hate mission runners - The question is why? What is it they do other than play EvE online in a diffrent way to you? The truth is, nothing, The get enjoyment from buying expensive ships, running level 4's, watching there wealth go up and tricking out there ships much like i do for PvP. But, you don't like it? Seems a tad reprehensible to me.
3. We hate Incursions - The Question is why? What is it they do other than play EvE online in a diffrent way to you? The truth is, nothing, they love incursions, the love to make so much money, they don't know what to do with it, so what? How does this affect you? It doesn't, you just complain and get them nerfed to hell and back. Seems again, reprehensible.
4. We hate WH corps - The question is why? What is it they do other than play EvE online in a diffrent way to you? The truth is, nothing. You dislike they can hide in bubbles, make money and don't have to fight you, have cloaky ships (even tho you use these yourself). Again, reprehensible.
The bottom line is, PvP pilots dislike PvE pilots for one reason and one reason only, they choose to play EvE Online differently than you, for you to attack the PvE population verbally on the forums and to push your own agenda will not force them to PvP or force them into our play grounds. All you will force them to do is quit.
I have been a pvp since 2 months after beta when i joined Curse Alliance and have been ever since, yes i have an ice miner (doesn't make me much isk) and yes i have a mission runner in a tengu (makes less isk than null ratting tbfh) so, in that regard.
You need to leave off because it is very sad and reprehensible that PvP pilots think you have god given right to tell other people how to play a game they pay for. You can sit and say Market PvP and Trade PvP and blah blah PvP but they don't see it like that and should not be forced to.
When a player "pays" to play EvE Online, they should not then be forced to play how a PvP pilot demands he does, it is beyond selfish. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
3332
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Posted - 2012.10.30 23:53:00 -
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Your head looks too small 
"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
White Quake
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
56
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Posted - 2012.10.30 23:53:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Your head looks too small
Yes i had noticed this :) |
Clystan
Binaerie Heavy Industries
36
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Posted - 2012.10.30 23:54:00 -
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-golf clap- |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air
The Unthinkables
2069
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Posted - 2012.10.30 23:54:00 -
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you forgot npc corps |
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
721
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Posted - 2012.10.30 23:58:00 -
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People tend to forget that you have a choice in EvE
nothing to see here ,move on
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ACE McFACE
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
844
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Posted - 2012.10.31 00:01:00 -
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I don't hate any of those groups
"7 pages of people insulting me - aka trolling" - Lady Hofstedar
What s/he (probably he) meant:
"7 pages of people disagreeing with my terrible idea - aka trolling" - Lady Hofstedar |
Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE
Initiative Mercenaries
281
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Posted - 2012.10.31 00:03:00 -
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White Quake wrote:When a player "pays" to play EvE Online, they should not then be forced to play how a PvP pilot demands he does, it is beyond selfish.
I don't think you have the right to make that judgement. |
stoicfaux
1734
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Posted - 2012.10.31 00:06:00 -
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Hating a common foe is a great way to unify people and get the herd moving in a singular direction. The pros create the foe, fuel the hate, and choose the direction.
The real question is, what's the direction? and who chose that direction?
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
Feature Request: -áDamnation Ship Codpiece-áfor the NeX store.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1662
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Posted - 2012.10.31 00:07:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:White Quake wrote:When a player "pays" to play EvE Online, they should not then be forced to play how a PvP pilot demands he does, it is beyond selfish. I don't think you have the right to make that judgement.
EVE Online is about saying others are in the wrong.
Then, having CCP nerf them.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
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Dessau
75
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Posted - 2012.10.31 00:08:00 -
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You had me going for a second, OP.
Channel 'Asymmetrics'. PvP for gentlepersons. |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force
Fatal Ascension
976
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Posted - 2012.10.31 00:09:00 -
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Another alt opinion pro-carebear. What a shocker.
www.minerbumping.com - because your tears are delicious |
Zenethalos
Soldiers Of Farscape
Soldiers Of New Eve
4
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Posted - 2012.10.31 00:10:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Hating a common foe is a great way to unify people and get the herd moving in a singular direction. The pros create the foe, fuel the hate, and choose the direction.
The real question is, what's the direction? and who chose that direction?
Beat me to it. Where is most of this hate generated? In 0.0. When is this hate generated? When the major players are at a lull and have no big war to fight. Who generates the hate? The people in charge? Why do they generate the hate? To keep their troops unified until the next big thing comes along. What if they don't generate hate and create a campaign against it? People get bored, infighting, people leave.
The soldiers need directive and entertainment. Hulkageddon, ice interdiction, invasion of WH space en mass are all tools to keep the front liners from becoming rebellious.
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
5400
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Posted - 2012.10.31 00:11:00 -
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White Quake wrote:As a PvP pilot of nine years
Imperial Academy [IAC] from 2012.10.26 01:02 to this day
doesn't look like nine years to me, I even double checked
~*a-áproud belligerent undesirable*~ |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
108
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Posted - 2012.10.31 00:12:00 -
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High Sec Bears need to back up off my LowNull industry. You all make it hard on me to turn a profit. I consider High Sec Bears to be griefing my play style.
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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
The Irukandji
671
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Posted - 2012.10.31 01:27:00 -
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For a PvP pilot of 9 years, you sure have a nonexistant kill-board. Oh wait, I'm wasting time talking to an alt. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
401
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Posted - 2012.10.31 01:35:00 -
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Val'Dore wrote:High Sec Bears need to back up off my LowNull industry. You all make it hard on me to turn a profit. I consider High Sec Bears to be griefing my play style.
This. Totally this.
How about the OP stop forcing his playstyle on me. Seems to be a common line for people who refuse to accept that CCP's game is based entirely around people being able to impact each other, regardless of where in the game you play; so why shouldn't it apply to me as a null sec industrialist who is being undermined by the mass farming of meta loot that obsoletes a lot of the **** I build.
Your farmed loot is more than a valid reason for me to want you guys blown up at every turn. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1837
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Posted - 2012.10.31 01:39:00 -
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With mass tantrums comes radical change.
Look at the Exhumer buff, for instance. The elites took a legitimate game mechanic and used it to push CCP to nerfing their favorite pastime.
Now they are childishly ganking every freighter that crosses their path and bumping every miner that has the audacity to undock.
It will end badly for them ('them' being anyone who abuses the system. Not just gankers.) and they will cry a river that it's everyone's fault but theirs. When that's exactly who's fault it is.
Mr Epeen 
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Tactical Vendor of Services and Goods
Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
1822
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Posted - 2012.10.31 01:42:00 -
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Not even going to read the post...going off the title only...
No they don't...this is EVE. Have a nice day.
/thread
EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! |
baltec1
Bat Country
2645
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Posted - 2012.10.31 01:52:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:With mass tantrums comes radical change. Look at the Exhumer buff, for instance. The elites took a legitimate game mechanic and used it to push CCP to nerfing their favorite pastime. Now they are childishly ganking every freighter that crosses their path and bumping every miner that has the audacity to undock. It will end badly for them ('them' being anyone who abuses the system. Not just gankers.) and they will cry a river that it's everyone's fault but theirs. When that's exactly who's fault it is. Mr Epeen
Yes its the gankers fault the freighter pilots are undocking with 20+ billion in their holds... |
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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
402
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Posted - 2012.10.31 02:04:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:With mass tantrums comes radical change. Look at the Exhumer buff, for instance. The elites took a legitimate game mechanic and used it to push CCP to nerfing their favorite pastime. Now they are childishly ganking every freighter that crosses their path and bumping every miner that has the audacity to undock. It will end badly for them ('them' being anyone who abuses the system. Not just gankers.) and they will cry a river that it's everyone's fault but theirs. When that's exactly who's fault it is. Mr Epeen
I don't see it happening, only because several of the devs have come out and openly stated that "ganking" is a valid part of EVE. Only miner ganking wasn't inteded to be profitable.
As long as you're flying freighters with a couple of billion in your hold, you shoud absolutely be gankable; there's no way for CCP to make it a "not for profit" activety.
I"m putting a lot of faith in CCP knowing that people who put billions of isk into a ship and try to move it in high sec without taking any measures to protect that haul, are very much a valid target.
All my **** makes it to it's destination, if someone elses isn't it's their fault and not the gankers.
Besides the bumping and freighter ganking complaining has more to do with a likely reduction in miner ganking. I'm sure at this point miners have figured out that they have no leg to stand on if they complain about ganking; so they've moved on to the last couple of things that actually affect them in the hopes that CCP does something about it.
I'm sure that CCP understand more than anyone that the game doesn't really work as intended if the high sec economy can't be impacted by other people. With inferno they removed a big part of how players could have an impact, hopefully with retribution and the bounty system we get that back, AND miners can use the same tool to fight back as well.
Retribution may not just mean high sec being able to fight back against pirates, but other people being able to fight back against the high sec economy which, apparently unknown to many in high sec, is effecting a large part of the rest of New Eden, and not in a good way. |
Nexus Day
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
73
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Posted - 2012.10.31 02:10:00 -
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Andski wrote:White Quake wrote:As a PvP pilot of nine years Imperial Academy [IAC] from 2012.10.26 01:02 to this day doesn't look like nine years to me, I even double checked
He said in a previous thread he was posting on an alt. I thought you would know that given you posted in the thread.
Of course you didn't seem to disagree with his opinion in that one. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1664
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Posted - 2012.10.31 02:14:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Besides the bumping and freighter ganking complaining has more to do with a likely reduction in miner ganking. I'm sure at this point miners have figured out that they have no leg to stand on if they complain about ganking; so they've moved on to the last couple of things that actually affect them in the hopes that CCP does something about it.
So what after they get that anti-bump module...
What's the next thing they'll need fixed for them in order that EVE not die?
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
402
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Posted - 2012.10.31 02:17:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:Besides the bumping and freighter ganking complaining has more to do with a likely reduction in miner ganking. I'm sure at this point miners have figured out that they have no leg to stand on if they complain about ganking; so they've moved on to the last couple of things that actually affect them in the hopes that CCP does something about it. So what after they get that anti-bump module... What's the next thing they'll need fixed for them in order that EVE not die?
Obviously the abilty to move infinite amounts of isk worth of goods without worry.
Predictable high secers are predictable.
Than they'll demand CCP put an end to mission ganking.
Then half the playerbase will leave and EVE will be another UO. A great sandbox game with half the original number of people playing it because the whiny brats made it unfun for the other half.
PS: Did we just connect the dots on how to "kill" EVE?
PPS: you know damned well they wouldn't fit that module any more than they fit a module to tank the barges. They'd get the module and then demand CCP make it a passive effect on all barges. |
Solstice Project
Carebear Cadaver Productions
1986
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Posted - 2012.10.31 02:19:00 -
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HAHAHAHA THE SMALL HEAD !!! XD
Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Shederov Blood
Wrecketeers
158
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Posted - 2012.10.31 02:49:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Your head looks too small 5. We hate people who are different.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1664
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Posted - 2012.10.31 03:27:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:Besides the bumping and freighter ganking complaining has more to do with a likely reduction in miner ganking. I'm sure at this point miners have figured out that they have no leg to stand on if they complain about ganking; so they've moved on to the last couple of things that actually affect them in the hopes that CCP does something about it. So what after they get that anti-bump module... What's the next thing they'll need fixed for them in order that EVE not die? Obviously the abilty to move infinite amounts of isk worth of goods without worry. Predictable high secers are predictable. Than they'll demand CCP put an end to mission ganking. Then half the playerbase will leave and EVE will be another UO. A great sandbox game with half the original number of people playing it because the whiny brats made it unfun for the other half. PS: Did we just connect the dots on how to "kill" EVE? PPS: you know damned well they wouldn't fit that module any more than they fit a module to tank the barges. They'd get the module and then demand CCP make it a passive effect on all barges.
I think James 315 already connected those dots.
Not like it will affect the way things develop in EVE. Maybe...
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
5404
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Posted - 2012.10.31 05:13:00 -
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Nexus Day wrote:Andski wrote:White Quake wrote:As a PvP pilot of nine years Imperial Academy [IAC] from 2012.10.26 01:02 to this day doesn't look like nine years to me, I even double checked He said in a previous thread he was posting on an alt. I thought you would know that given you posted in the thread. Of course you didn't seem to disagree with his opinion in that one.
Every NPC alt poster is a 2003 player with director alts in every alliance in the game, right?
~*a-áproud belligerent undesirable*~ |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
283
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Posted - 2012.10.31 05:18:00 -
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White Quake wrote:comparing wow to eve in my own words
I was like you once but then I realized there is no such thing as PVE players in EVE. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1664
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Posted - 2012.10.31 05:19:00 -
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Andski wrote:Nexus Day wrote:Andski wrote:White Quake wrote:As a PvP pilot of nine years Imperial Academy [IAC] from 2012.10.26 01:02 to this day doesn't look like nine years to me, I even double checked He said in a previous thread he was posting on an alt. I thought you would know that given you posted in the thread. Of course you didn't seem to disagree with his opinion in that one. Every NPC alt poster is a 2003 player with director alts in every alliance in the game, right?
Is he gonna push our magic button?
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
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