| Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 [9] 10 :: one page |
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 1 post(s) |

Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries
361
|
Posted - 2012.11.03 11:32:00 -
[241] - Quote
That's what they're doing and that's the cause of all the whining. |

Krax As
Psy Corp Ltd.
2
|
Posted - 2012.11.03 11:50:00 -
[242] - Quote
i got an idea and yeah it might be silly:
maybe the reason most indy / Miner "carebears" hate ganking so much is because they see NO reason for even doing it. they mine, a gang drops in and kicks their teeth in. then gets pawned by concord.
new mechanic and more in the alley CCP envisions it maybe (and I would LOVE it even though i am mostly a carebear myself)
ransoms as a game mechanic.
so, in order to be able to attack someone in highsec, you need to ransom them. righclick target, ransom option chosen, enter amount of ransom, enter ransom message (or use standard one)
the target receives a pop saying something like "you have been ransomed" and then the actual ransom message including the ransom amount.
amount has to be equal or higher than market average of taregt hull ors something, dunno.
the moment the ransom is issued, a timer starts. its not an aggressive behavior just yet. if the timer ends and nothing has happened (target just didnt react because he was afk or even is a bot or something) ganker can gank and get a timer window of x seconds to get away before concord shows up and "looks into things".
the target can of course do all kinds of stuff to react: whine, talk, discuss, curse, swear, sing, try to leave or call for help or log or even pay.
if he pays, the ganker has t chose between accept ransoming and not conduct aggerssion, or screw it and attack anyways, thuis seeting normal concord reaction in motion.
this might sound fairly complicated but it would mean, gankers are not just stupid gankers per se, but at least have to behave more like real pirates and thus give the targets some perspective on how the game shows them to HTFU. without the ganers having to explain them any game mechanics anymore.
|

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1953
|
Posted - 2012.11.03 11:51:00 -
[243] - Quote
Riot Girl wrote:That's what they're doing and that's the cause of all the whining.
Nope. If they did, my work at my Mutual Funds (involving a lot including minerals and ices trading) would be much easier and profits would rise much better.
Bumping is just annoying, does not bring me any revenue.
Stay sure that if my Net Asset Value was 5 times bigger I would pay Bat Country to clean belts up. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
Twitter channel |

Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries
361
|
Posted - 2012.11.03 11:54:00 -
[244] - Quote
"Pay 100m ISK or we'll kill you.
Thanks. Now pay another 100m ISK or we'll kill you.
Thanks. Now pay another 100m etc..."
I guess you're not too knowledgeable about how ransoming and ganking works. |

Krax As
Psy Corp Ltd.
2
|
Posted - 2012.11.03 12:02:00 -
[245] - Quote
Riot Girl wrote:"Pay 100m ISK or we'll kill you.
Thanks. Now pay another 100m ISK or we'll kill you.
Thanks. Now pay another 100m etc..."
I guess you're not too knowledgeable about how ransoming and ganking works.
never pretended i was. but right now ransoming is a convo and direct money transfer. the ransoming mechanic would be something else, a bit clumsier maybe but with regulaions in place. hell i am not a game dev (are you ?) but if miners could and have to call gankers pirates instead of griefers, gankers and what not alo of public humiliation and whinery could be stopped.
imagine with the retribution system the ramsoned target issued an immediate bounty on the pirate, thus alerting a nearby merc / bounty hunter who frequently patrols the area as he knows miners are there that will be ransomed. (of course only if that information is available while in space) they drop in on the "pirate gankers", giving them real pvp (isnt that what they wanted in the first place?) i could envision something like this to work quiet nicely.
|

Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries
361
|
Posted - 2012.11.03 12:05:00 -
[246] - Quote
So you're saying a ganker can ransom a Miner and if the miner refuses to pay, the ganker gets a kill right, but whenever a ganker ransoms a miner, they also get a kill right placed on themselves which is open to anyone? |

Krax As
Psy Corp Ltd.
2
|
Posted - 2012.11.03 12:26:00 -
[247] - Quote
Riot Girl wrote:So you're saying a ganker can ransom a Miner and if the miner refuses to pay, the ganker gets a kill right, but whenever a ganker ransoms a miner, they also get a kill right placed on themselves which is open to anyone?
is that how it works right now ? ganker kils miner and everyone can attack he ganker ? i thought main ganker problem afterwards is concord ?
dunno. i wouldnt punish pirates if they play within rulesets of the game. i enjoy security of highsec, but concord as an omnipotent force protecting all who dont want to realize that this is not a themepark but a sandbox game is just wrong. as is the idea of consensual pvp. i read in one signature that you consent to pvp in eve once you hit undock, but many dont realize it. what i dont like is griefing in games that cost money or games in general. griefing as in taking the fun out of the game for some other player. only because he doesnt like pvp doesnt give some other the right to grief him until he either leaves the game or decides to change his playstyle. in a sandbox, ther is no right playstyle, everything shpuld be allowed and possible.
bzw i think that being able to issue a bounty and whatever player / corp / alliance you chose is just wrong and will be severely exploited. bountys make sense if you want to retaliate, to make justice strike. so in order to be able to put a bounty on someone, the bounty target needs to do something to justify that bounty. and that has to be ingame, not being a political or metagaming reason.
and the bounty has to be in proportion to the target and the issuing party |

White Quake
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
93
|
Posted - 2012.11.03 12:29:00 -
[248] - Quote
Ghazu wrote:Yeah, our persecution of pve duders have resulted in inudstry coming to a crashing halt, literally nothing for sale in Jita. Aint it amazing what people do for thin margins?
You're so stupid, it's funny.
Why do you think market prices have RISEN on everything from Trade Goods to Ships to modules to Ammo?
Hulkageddon - mining in Empire dropped by 49% percent. Burn Jita - Small effect, not much tbfh.
Now, with miners being taken out non stop, the pvp pilots then complain about insurance prices on ships, module prices etc. whose to blame? Why do we have to spend so much to PvP? Why is PvP dropping off?
Simple answer and ill lay it out for you
Before Hulkageddon - Ship and module prices were reasonable, then came hulkageddon and prices started to rise, then came high sec freighter ganks and prices continued to rise
Who is to blame
Oh wait..... Now i remember whose to blame
the very people who are trolling this thread...
go figure? |

Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries
361
|
Posted - 2012.11.03 12:32:00 -
[249] - Quote
Krax As wrote:is that how it works right now ? No, I'm trying to figure out what your idea is. |

Ghazu
251
|
Posted - 2012.11.03 12:35:00 -
[250] - Quote
White Quake wrote:Ghazu wrote:Yeah, our persecution of pve duders have resulted in inudstry coming to a crashing halt, literally nothing for sale in Jita. Aint it amazing what people do for thin margins? You're so stupid, it's funny. Why do you think market prices have RISEN on everything from Trade Goods to Ships to modules to Ammo? Hulkageddon - mining in Empire dropped by 49% percent. Burn Jita - Small effect, not much tbfh. Now, with miners being taken out non stop, the pvp pilots then complain about insurance prices on ships, module prices etc. whose to blame? Why do we have to spend so much to PvP? Why is PvP dropping off? Simple answer and ill lay it out for you Before Hulkageddon - Ship and module prices were reasonable, then came hulkageddon and prices started to rise, then came high sec freighter ganks and prices continued to rise Who is to blame Oh wait..... Now i remember whose to blame the very people who are trolling this thread... go figure?
Nice insult buddy boy. Simple answer inflation, too much isk faucet not enough sinks, and speculators. http://www.minerbumping.com/ |

Roime
Shiva Furnace
1384
|
Posted - 2012.11.03 12:35:00 -
[251] - Quote
Mineral prices went up after CCP mass-banned a number of bots and introduced new mechanisms to counter botting. OTEC, nthe tech cartel also ensures their profits by keeping technetium prices high, affecting prices of T2 ships.
However, the biggest factor influencing prices has nothing to with industry- people just have more ISK. New Eden is full of abundant, endless sources of income, and players exploit them with great enthusiasm. Why sell a cruiser for 1.2 million, when you can move just as many units for 2.5 mil?
Shiva Furnace - recruiting again! |

White Quake
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
93
|
Posted - 2012.11.03 12:37:00 -
[252] - Quote
Ghazu wrote:White Quake wrote:Ghazu wrote:Yeah, our persecution of pve duders have resulted in inudstry coming to a crashing halt, literally nothing for sale in Jita. Aint it amazing what people do for thin margins? You're so stupid, it's funny. Why do you think market prices have RISEN on everything from Trade Goods to Ships to modules to Ammo? Hulkageddon - mining in Empire dropped by 49% percent. Burn Jita - Small effect, not much tbfh. Now, with miners being taken out non stop, the pvp pilots then complain about insurance prices on ships, module prices etc. whose to blame? Why do we have to spend so much to PvP? Why is PvP dropping off? Simple answer and ill lay it out for you Before Hulkageddon - Ship and module prices were reasonable, then came hulkageddon and prices started to rise, then came high sec freighter ganks and prices continued to rise Who is to blame Oh wait..... Now i remember whose to blame the very people who are trolling this thread... go figure? Nice insult buddy boy. Simple answer inflation, too much isk faucet not enough sinks, and speculators.
No no and no same old crap answer given by pvpers to place the blame elsewhere, always the same answers, inflation, blah blah blah
Point of fact - pvp pilots who mess around with empire, destroy eve destroy the economy and then blame anyone else but themselves. i have been pvping for as long as i can remember and i have NEVER shot a barge or ganked sum one in high sec.
stop blaming other people for your own issues that you caused as a group, it is pathetic ad childish |

White Quake
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
93
|
Posted - 2012.11.03 12:38:00 -
[253] - Quote
Roime wrote:Mineral prices went up after CCP mass-banned a number of bots and introduced new mechanisms to counter botting. OTEC, nthe tech cartel also ensures their profits by keeping technetium prices high, affecting prices of T2 ships.
However, the biggest factor influencing prices has nothing to with industry- people just have more ISK. New Eden is full of abundant, endless sources of income, and players exploit them with great enthusiasm. Why sell a cruiser for 1.2 million, when you can move just as many units for 2.5 mil?
wrong, the bots banned were from drone regions and didn't effect the market at all
Another excuse |

Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries
361
|
Posted - 2012.11.03 12:39:00 -
[254] - Quote
White Quake wrote:Now, with miners being taken out non stop, the pvp pilots then complain about insurance prices on ships, module prices etc. whose to blame? They don't. You made this up. |

Ghazu
251
|
Posted - 2012.11.03 12:42:00 -
[255] - Quote
lalalalalalalala i am a space knight otec royalty i like to roll around town blapping peasants lol. So no more drone poo had zero effect on the mineral market? Don't make me insult you. http://www.minerbumping.com/ |

White Quake
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
93
|
Posted - 2012.11.03 12:51:00 -
[256] - Quote
Ghazu wrote:lalalalalalalala i am a space knight otec royalty i like to roll around town blapping peasants lol. So no more drone poo had zero effect on the mineral market? Don't make me insult you.
idiotic response for some one who cannot come up with an answer when proven wrong |

White Quake
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
93
|
Posted - 2012.11.03 12:51:00 -
[257] - Quote
Riot Girl wrote:White Quake wrote:Now, with miners being taken out non stop, the pvp pilots then complain about insurance prices on ships, module prices etc. whose to blame? They don't. You made this up.
Simple eve search will prove this statement wrong |

Krax As
Psy Corp Ltd.
2
|
Posted - 2012.11.03 12:53:00 -
[258] - Quote
Riot Girl wrote:Krax As wrote:is that how it works right now ? No, I'm trying to figure out what your idea is.
i think i drew a somewhat detailed picture. sorry for you not getting it, must be my fault.
what i would love is people stop blaming each other and all gettign heated up but people offering solutions and ways to improve.
to bad games and especially online games ar just that. games. and vents for peoples real life struggles and shortcomings. when people work 40 hours / week the average player probably is not interested in organizing, structuring and effective colaboration. they want mindless, stupid and funny **** to release tension and to enjoy themselves.
the whole "stay away from us" whining on one side and "you people are pathetic carebears, live with it. adapt or die"-CRAP wouldnt even exist if players would find a way to implement risk vs reward themselves, instead of blaming CCP the game needs tweaking and is broken and whatnot.
make more indy guys WANT to go to null by REWARDING them to do so. help them, instead of luring them there, ganking them and then mocking them in local and in forums. help them to built up a workable infrastrukcture and economy where you need them. then you can leave the oh so sad carebears alone and never have to worry about them highsec dwellers anymore at all.
|

Ghazu
251
|
Posted - 2012.11.03 12:54:00 -
[259] - Quote
White Quake wrote:Ghazu wrote:lalalalalalalala i am a space knight otec royalty i like to roll around town blapping peasants lol. So no more drone poo had zero effect on the mineral market? Don't make me insult you. idiotic response for some one who cannot come up with an answer when proven wrong Oh another insult. Aren't you a big mang. I thought miners liked it when fruits of their labor could be sold at a higher price. http://www.minerbumping.com/ |

Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries
361
|
Posted - 2012.11.03 12:56:00 -
[260] - Quote
Apparently not. Searching the terms 'Insurance Costs' just brings up a load of recent GD threads. None of which complain about insurance costs being an issue.
The only costs I ever hear anyone complain about is clone costs and Meta 4 being too cheap because high-sec needs to be nerfed. |

baltec1
Bat Country
2701
|
Posted - 2012.11.03 13:02:00 -
[261] - Quote
Riot Girl wrote:Apparently not. Searching the terms 'Insurance Costs' just brings up a load of recent GD threads. None of which complain about insurance costs being an issue.
The only costs I ever hear anyone complain about is clone costs and Meta 4 being too cheap because high-sec needs to be nerfed.
First half of the year we had massive inflation via incursions dumping too much isk into the system. CCP fixed this and the complaints stopped.
Although I find it rather amusing that he thinks higher prices for minerals is a bad thing. |

Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries
361
|
Posted - 2012.11.03 13:03:00 -
[262] - Quote
Krax As wrote: if players would find a way to implement risk vs reward themselves, instead of blaming CCP the game needs tweaking and is broken and whatnot. The players do insert the risk themselves by ganking the miners. CCP is making it harder so there is less risk for them which is why people yell at CCP.
Quote: "you people are pathetic carebears, live with it. adapt or die"
I think this is more roleplay than anything. Players with power will develop a sense of superiority and enforce that on others in some kind of despotic way. It's just their way of having fun and imagining themselves as some kind of evil tyrant. It's just for fun but that also leaks out into the forums because it causes a lot of drama and it's good to see players squeal as a result of your evil actions in game.
|

Hathrul
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
130
|
Posted - 2012.11.03 13:04:00 -
[263] - Quote
White Quake wrote: 4. We hate WH corps - The question is why? What is it they do other than play EvE online in a diffrent way to you? The truth is, nothing. You dislike they can hide in bubbles, make money and don't have to fight you, have cloaky ships (even tho you use these yourself). Again, reprehensible.
wait what? what does that have to do with highsec or pve? |

Ghazu
251
|
Posted - 2012.11.03 13:05:00 -
[264] - Quote
People roleplay stupid? http://www.minerbumping.com/ |

Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries
361
|
Posted - 2012.11.03 13:05:00 -
[265] - Quote
Ghazu wrote:People roleplay stupid? OP does. |

Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries
361
|
Posted - 2012.11.03 13:08:00 -
[266] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:First half of the year we had massive inflation via incursions dumping too much isk into the system. CCP fixed this and the complaints stopped.
Although I find it rather amusing that he thinks higher prices for minerals is a bad thing. Right. So he's blaming PvP for something PvE did. Okay.
|

Krax As
Psy Corp Ltd.
2
|
Posted - 2012.11.03 13:14:00 -
[267] - Quote
i think everyone who knows a little about the game knows that all aspects of eve from pvp down to mining help the game and influences every aspect in a direct or indirect way.
like one dude in Amarr local always says when people whine about being scammed: if you mad, stop whining and get back to azeroth, where scamming is prohibited.
mining helps. and if mining in low / null would be more respected and endorsed and portected by the roughly 25% of players living there, more people would do it.
i take it the OP is just whining. guess i have to stop to look into these kind of threads as people tend to insult and blame each other instead of debating and trying to find solutions for my taste. instead i might have to start looking for a corporation again.
|

White Quake
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
93
|
Posted - 2012.11.03 13:21:00 -
[268] - Quote
Krax As wrote:i think everyone who knows a little about the game knows that all aspects of eve from pvp down to mining help the game and influences every aspect in a direct or indirect way.
like one dude in Amarr local always says when people whine about being scammed: if you mad, stop whining and get back to azeroth, where scamming is prohibited.
mining helps. and if mining in low / null would be more respected and endorsed and portected by the roughly 25% of players living there, more people would do it.
i take it the OP is just whining. guess i have to stop to look into these kind of threads as people tend to insult and blame each other instead of debating and trying to find solutions for my taste. instead i might have to start looking for a corporation again.
Nothing to do with whining, PVP pilots need to stick to null and low sec and let high sec sort itself out
But as long as the war dec systems allows pvp pilots to annihilate small pve corps, that will never happen
its as simple as that
|

Ghazu
251
|
Posted - 2012.11.03 13:31:00 -
[269] - Quote
No you do what you do and can that white knight crap and we do the ganking, simple as that. http://www.minerbumping.com/ |

Krax As
Psy Corp Ltd.
2
|
Posted - 2012.11.03 13:34:00 -
[270] - Quote
White Quake wrote:Krax As wrote:i think everyone who knows a little about the game knows that all aspects of eve from pvp down to mining help the game and influences every aspect in a direct or indirect way.
like one dude in Amarr local always says when people whine about being scammed: if you mad, stop whining and get back to azeroth, where scamming is prohibited.
mining helps. and if mining in low / null would be more respected and endorsed and portected by the roughly 25% of players living there, more people would do it.
i take it the OP is just whining. guess i have to stop to look into these kind of threads as people tend to insult and blame each other instead of debating and trying to find solutions for my taste. instead i might have to start looking for a corporation again.
Nothing to do with whining, PVP pilots need to stick to null and low sec and let high sec sort itself out But as long as the war dec systems allows pvp pilots to annihilate small pve corps, that will never happen its as simple as that
u do underestand that in the current game, highsec industry is where all alliances do their stuff ? therefore attacking highsec indy corps and players within the boundaries of the game is a viable tactic ? hell if i was a 0.0 corp and i knew the systems my opponents do their main indy thing i would even gank the stations if that was possible at all. whatever is needed to win.
as for wardeccing small pve / indy corps just for the ***** and giggles.. well... too bad. what about asking merc corps for help and paying them ? might be better than whining in forums about it.
|
| |
|
| Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 [9] 10 :: one page |
| First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |