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Robert De'Arneth 216	Posted - 2012.10.31 13:22:00 - [61] - Quote TheGunslinger42 wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: The more I read crap like the OP, the more I begin to understand why groups like the Goons exist. I've been fighting goons since my very 1st day as a shave-tail null sec newbie in Atlas Alliance up till now so I've always equate "Goon" with "Assclown" but now, not so much. And it's because of these people like the OP and the high sec ONLY carebears and zealots hiding behind CONCORD's (ie CCP's) Skirts while being brave enough to talk trash on the forums. I'm very much a "live and let live" type in game and in real life, but the more I hear this whining and crying from the most protected and coddled class of players in this game (the high sec crowd), the more I end up wanting to raise the virtual black flag and start slitting virtual throats.... Where do I sign up to start bumping and suicide ganking miners??? Another Agent of the New Order is born? Funny how miners being so greedy and self-entitled only exacerbates things. Shiver me timbers another bumper who will not effect the end results at all, whatever will we do. I made 3.2 bill last week, on pace 5.8 this week, and your bumping and bumpers cannot stop it!! LOL. You guys do make me laugh a lot. You will never effect my bottom line, that is a fact. You have not lived until you have been Wated by Jim!!-á-á
White Quake Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 61	Posted - 2012.10.31 13:23:00 - [62] - Quote bufnitza calatoare wrote: When a pvp player "pays" to play EvE Online, they should not then be forced to play how a Noob PvE pilot demands he does, it is beyond selfish. In other words. don't force others to play your way, its a double edge sword. No PVE pilot has ever forced a PVP pilot to PVE, this a nonsensical argument and makes no sense and is simply a way of PvP pilots justifying themselves getting involved in PvE nerfs. Immature
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 288	Posted - 2012.10.31 13:24:00 - [63] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: And it's because of these people like the OP and the high sec ONLY carebears and zealots hiding behind CONCORD's (ie CCP's) Skirts while being brave enough to talk trash on the forums. The thing is, the OP is one of the people he is arguing against. He sits on gates with his friends waiting for solo faction BSes to show up so he can gank them.
White Quake Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 62	Posted - 2012.10.31 13:28:00 - [64] - Quote Riot Girl wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: And it's because of these people like the OP and the high sec ONLY carebears and zealots hiding behind CONCORD's (ie CCP's) Skirts while being brave enough to talk trash on the forums. The thing is, the OP is one of the people he is arguing against. He sits on gates with his friends waiting for solo faction BSes to show up so he can gank them. we take anything stupid enough to enter low sec/nul sec without a scout, if they are that stupid, they deserve to die But my very small corp os 12 made from rl mates since 2004 has never once ganked a miner in high sec or voted to nerf missions or incursions because IT DOESN'T effect us. Do you understand? I will kill freighters/miners/haulers in low sec / null sec because they don't have escorts or guards and in my opinion this is stupid. HOWEVER to gank people in empire, is cowardly and not real pvp. Your not pvping ur shooting people who have no skill and cannot fight back. your killing ships that cant fire back, its cowards work for pvp pilots who can't pvp in null. A mining corp attacked our three vindictators in low sec last night with 12 bc's, we killed them all with no loss. That is the way i will fight, not i empire docking as soon as the corp of carebears i decked has to many members olinr don't confuse my argument with a PvE pilot, i just don't have a huge ego like most of this forum does.
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 288	Posted - 2012.10.31 13:35:00 - [65] - Quote White Quake wrote: if they are that stupid, they deserve to die That's all I needed to read, thanks.
KrakizBad Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension 976	Posted - 2012.10.31 13:44:00 - [66] - Quote White Quake wrote: Bleating. Thank you for demonstrating your grasp of the big picture. www.minerbumping.com - because your tears are delicious
TheGunslinger42 Bite Me inc 467	Posted - 2012.10.31 13:45:00 - [67] - Quote Robert De'Arneth wrote: TheGunslinger42 wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: The more I read crap like the OP, the more I begin to understand why groups like the Goons exist. I've been fighting goons since my very 1st day as a shave-tail null sec newbie in Atlas Alliance up till now so I've always equate "Goon" with "Assclown" but now, not so much. And it's because of these people like the OP and the high sec ONLY carebears and zealots hiding behind CONCORD's (ie CCP's) Skirts while being brave enough to talk trash on the forums. I'm very much a "live and let live" type in game and in real life, but the more I hear this whining and crying from the most protected and coddled class of players in this game (the high sec crowd), the more I end up wanting to raise the virtual black flag and start slitting virtual throats.... Where do I sign up to start bumping and suicide ganking miners??? Another Agent of the New Order is born? Funny how miners being so greedy and self-entitled only exacerbates things. Shiver me timbers another bumper who will not affect the end results at all, whatever will we do. I made 3.2 bill last week, on pace 5.8 this week, and your bumping and bumpers cannot stop it!! LOL. You guys do make me laugh a lot. You will never effect my bottom line, that is a fact. Another bingo tile down, thanks.
Natsett Amuinn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 410	Posted - 2012.10.31 13:45:00 - [68] - Quote Robert De'Arneth wrote: TheGunslinger42 wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: The more I read crap like the OP, the more I begin to understand why groups like the Goons exist. I've been fighting goons since my very 1st day as a shave-tail null sec newbie in Atlas Alliance up till now so I've always equate "Goon" with "Assclown" but now, not so much. And it's because of these people like the OP and the high sec ONLY carebears and zealots hiding behind CONCORD's (ie CCP's) Skirts while being brave enough to talk trash on the forums. I'm very much a "live and let live" type in game and in real life, but the more I hear this whining and crying from the most protected and coddled class of players in this game (the high sec crowd), the more I end up wanting to raise the virtual black flag and start slitting virtual throats.... Where do I sign up to start bumping and suicide ganking miners??? Another Agent of the New Order is born? Funny how miners being so greedy and self-entitled only exacerbates things. Shiver me timbers another bumper who will not affect the end results at all, whatever will we do. I made 3.2 bill last week, on pace 5.8 this week, and your bumping and bumpers cannot stop it!! LOL. You guys do make me laugh a lot. You will never effect my bottom line, that is a fact. Well, have fun come 12/4. It'll be interesting to see how you're not effected when everyone in high sec can get paid to blow you up.
Some Rando University of Caille Gallente Federation 21	Posted - 2012.10.31 13:52:00 - [69] - Quote White Quake wrote: HOWEVER to gank people in empire, is cowardly and not real pvp. Sigh. I hate to point this out but it technically is real PvP because both parties are players and, you know, Player versus Player and all that... Unless one of them isn't a player...
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 344	Posted - 2012.10.31 13:58:00 - [70] - Quote White Quake wrote: Riot Girl wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: And it's because of these people like the OP and the high sec ONLY carebears and zealots hiding behind CONCORD's (ie CCP's) Skirts while being brave enough to talk trash on the forums. The thing is, the OP is one of the people he is arguing against. He sits on gates with his friends waiting for solo faction BSes to show up so he can gank them. we take anything stupid enough to enter low sec/nul sec without a scout, if they are that stupid, they deserve to die But my very small corp os 12 made from rl mates since 2004 has never once ganked a miner in high sec or voted to nerf missions or incursions because IT DOESN'T effect us. Do you understand? I will kill freighters/miners/haulers in low sec / null sec because they don't have escorts or guards and in my opinion this is stupid. HOWEVER to gank people in empire, is cowardly and not real pvp. Your not pvping ur shooting people who have no skill and cannot fight back. your killing ships that cant fire back, its cowards work for pvp pilots who can't pvp in null. A mining corp attacked our three vindictators in low sec last night with 12 bc's, we killed them all with no loss. That is the way i will fight, not i empire docking as soon as the corp of carebears i decked has to many members olinr don't confuse my argument with a PvE pilot, i just don't have a huge ego like most of this forum does. Evidence of hypocricy. It's ok to shoot people who can't fight back as long as your won't get concorded for it. Worse than that, the part I highlighted shows a lack of understanding of the game. EVERYTHING you do that generates any isk, any lp, and materials at all affects everyone else in this mulitplayer game (by lowering the value of things possessed by other people in the game). The high sec "carebear" wants to be free to have an affect on other players, but resist the very idea of BEING affected by other players by other means. This is the problem I have with them, they are the perfect example of wanting to "have your cake and eat it too".

Robert De'Arneth 216	Posted - 2012.10.31 14:00:00 - [71] - Quote Natsett Amuinn wrote: Robert De'Arneth wrote: TheGunslinger42 wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: The more I read crap like the OP, the more I begin to understand why groups like the Goons exist. I've been fighting goons since my very 1st day as a shave-tail null sec newbie in Atlas Alliance up till now so I've always equate "Goon" with "Assclown" but now, not so much. And it's because of these people like the OP and the high sec ONLY carebears and zealots hiding behind CONCORD's (ie CCP's) Skirts while being brave enough to talk trash on the forums. I'm very much a "live and let live" type in game and in real life, but the more I hear this whining and crying from the most protected and coddled class of players in this game (the high sec crowd), the more I end up wanting to raise the virtual black flag and start slitting virtual throats.... Where do I sign up to start bumping and suicide ganking miners??? Another Agent of the New Order is born? Funny how miners being so greedy and self-entitled only exacerbates things. Shiver me timbers another bumper who will not affect the end results at all, whatever will we do. I made 3.2 bill last week, on pace 5.8 this week, and your bumping and bumpers cannot stop it!! LOL. You guys do make me laugh a lot. You will never effect my bottom line, that is a fact. Well, have fun come 12/4. It'll be interesting to see how you're not effected when everyone in high sec can get paid to blow you up. not worried mate, because I know how the new changes work, you might want to read them. You have not lived until you have been Wated by Jim!!-á-á
Mhax Arthie University of Caille Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2012.10.31 14:04:00 - [72] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: The more I read crap like the OP, the more I begin to understand why groups like the Goons exist. I've been fighting goons since my very 1st day as a shave-tail null sec newbie in Atlas Alliance up till now so I've always equate "Goon" with "Assclown" but now, not so much. .... Sad. Switching your hateread toward goons to some inocent carebears makes you nothing else that a carebear. What you gonna do from now on, raid the ice fields and bitching all day long on forums about miners instead of hunting the hunters? Pfff...
Savnire Jacitu VigilanteV 17	Posted - 2012.10.31 14:09:00 - [73] - Quote Vincent Athena wrote: Players who like Pve will not suddenly start doing PvP. They will leave the game. And then you cannot shoot them. Whats the point of driving away all the targets? False, I got sick of being killed and started doing PvP. I still get kill but on my terms now, and when I do the killing it is a much better expierence than any other part of this game. Hell even when I die I still have more fun. <corrupt>
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 344	Posted - 2012.10.31 14:09:00 - [74] - Quote Mhax Arthie wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: The more I read crap like the OP, the more I begin to understand why groups like the Goons exist. I've been fighting goons since my very 1st day as a shave-tail null sec newbie in Atlas Alliance up till now so I've always equate "Goon" with "Assclown" but now, not so much. .... Sad. Switching your hateread toward goons to some inocent carebears makes you nothing else that a carebear. What you gonna do from now on, raid the ice fields and bitching all day long on forums about miners instead of hunting the hunters? Pfff... That's the thing, the "carebears" aren't "innocent". The only times Goons have had an affect on me personally is when they've blown up my combat ships when I was in Atlas....and IT.....and -A-....and NCDot lol (like I've said, i've been on the anti-Goon side a LONG time), but at least they have the nutt-sacktuional fortitude to actually FACE ME in a fight, where as these "innocent carebears" can only muster a teresly worded forum post against me while to mine/mission/incursion the economy into the ground lol. I'm not quite a goon lover yet, but i support their "emergent gameplayin" them carebears to tears.
Xuixien Rifterlings Damu'Khonde 152	Posted - 2012.10.31 14:12:00 - [75] - Quote Nobody hates HiSec bears. What people hate is the attitude of entitlement that a lot of HiSec bears display. They seem to think they're entitled to immunity from any and all aggressive acts from other players. Some of us like to disabuse HiSec bears of their sense of entitlement. Rabble Rabble!! *Rifterlings is currently recruiting frigate and cruiser pilots for LowSec/NullSec small gang PvP and FW. Newbies and veterans alike are welcome.*
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 344	Posted - 2012.10.31 14:17:00 - [76] - Quote Xuixien wrote: Nobody hates HiSec bears. What people hate is the attitude of entitlement that a lot of HiSec bears display. They seem to think they're entitled to immunity from any and all aggressive acts from other players. Some of us like to disabuse HiSec bears of their sense of entitlement. Have a like sir!
Xuixien Rifterlings Damu'Khonde 153	Posted - 2012.10.31 14:25:00 - [77] - Quote Geligdio Khan wrote: And if people say "if you Nerf the thing we like we will quit" then what is the point of courting them to stay in the game, they're gonna rage quit over something at some point. I agree! A business should cater to it's loyal customers, not to the wishy washy ones! Rabble Rabble!! *Rifterlings is currently recruiting frigate and cruiser pilots for LowSec/NullSec small gang PvP and FW. Newbies and veterans alike are welcome.*
Prince Kobol 633	Posted - 2012.10.31 14:27:00 - [78] - Quote White Quake wrote: lots of stuff . Question, I have toons in both Null and HS so does that mean I am against myself?
TheGunslinger42 Bite Me inc 467	Posted - 2012.10.31 14:33:00 - [79] - Quote Robert De'Arneth wrote: Natsett Amuinn wrote: Robert De'Arneth wrote: TheGunslinger42 wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: The more I read crap like the OP, the more I begin to understand why groups like the Goons exist. I've been fighting goons since my very 1st day as a shave-tail null sec newbie in Atlas Alliance up till now so I've always equate "Goon" with "Assclown" but now, not so much. And it's because of these people like the OP and the high sec ONLY carebears and zealots hiding behind CONCORD's (ie CCP's) Skirts while being brave enough to talk trash on the forums. I'm very much a "live and let live" type in game and in real life, but the more I hear this whining and crying from the most protected and coddled class of players in this game (the high sec crowd), the more I end up wanting to raise the virtual black flag and start slitting virtual throats.... Where do I sign up to start bumping and suicide ganking miners??? Another Agent of the New Order is born? Funny how miners being so greedy and self-entitled only exacerbates things. Shiver me timbers another bumper who will not affect the end results at all, whatever will we do. I made 3.2 bill last week, on pace 5.8 this week, and your bumping and bumpers cannot stop it!! LOL. You guys do make me laugh a lot. You will never effect my bottom line, that is a fact. Well, have fun come 12/4. It'll be interesting to see how you're not effected when everyone in high sec can get paid to blow you up. not worried mate, because I know how the new changes work, you might want to read them. Adding to the bounty pool on this disgusting carebear. We can make sure it's worthwhile for people to suicide gank you again and again.
Thor Kerrigan Guardians of Asceticism 293	Posted - 2012.10.31 14:35:00 - [80] - Quote White Quake wrote: No PVE pilot has ever forced a PVP pilot to PVE How exactly does one play this game without PVP? Here is the challenge: this person might as well be playing offline with an out-of-game chatbox open and it would be 100% the same. If you think about it, it's impossible. This is why your argument is invalid as your are by default involved in competition.

Anslo BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance 482	Posted - 2012.10.31 14:42:00 - [81] - Quote TheGunslinger42 wrote: Adding to the bounty pool on this disgusting carebear. We can make sure it's worthwhile for people to suicide gank you again and again. I'm kind of sure targeted suicide ganking too many times is against the rules and counted as griefing... -\_For the Proveldtariat_/-
Robert De'Arneth 218	Posted - 2012.10.31 14:42:00 - [82] - Quote TheGunslinger42 , You make some bad assumptions, one that i would let you collect, not as easy you think. Assuming I care about losing ISK to feed the bounty to corp mates. See, you just do not get that I will not allow you to bug me. You can add billions and billions, and every isk will go to a crop member. I can afford to use frigs for this, and have no isssue wasting time. I will never allow anyone to bother me. Try and find someone who will let you. Besides, this account is not my money maker, you would have to find my accounts that are, and lets be clear, you have no way to do that at all. So in the end I will still make ISK and do what i want. LOL, makes you mad right nerd rage? You have not lived until you have been Wated by Jim!!-á-á
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 292	Posted - 2012.10.31 14:53:00 - [83] - Quote You act as though your playstyle is superior because you create some arbitrary moral code for yourself; "They are playing stupidly in low-sec, therefore they are flagged for PvP and deserve to die". This is how you choose to play and to you, this is morally sound. Now you speak to high sec gankers whose morals are "They are playing stupidly in high-sec, therefore they are flagged for PvP and deserve to die". So tell me, what is the difference between these ideologies, other than some imagined moral code you have created for yourself? I'll address this here, because I already know your answer; "My way is superior, because when people enter low-sec, they can expect to be forced into PvP. They know the risks and they deserve to die for not taking precautions. People in high-sec do not want to be forced into PvP, therefore it is morally wrong to engage them". Well your line of thinking is wrong. High-sec players are flagged for PvP the moment they leave their training systems. They knew the risks and they accepted them. Saying they do not wish to engage in PvP is simply wrong. They knew they would be targets for PvP when they signed up and they did it anyway of their own free will. Every carebear in high-sec wants to engage in PvP, even if they claim they don't. No-one forced them to sign up to make themselves an open target for PvP, they did that to themselves. Now I have explained that, I will request you change your stance on this matter immediately.
Metal Icarus Endless Destruction Tribal Band 338	Posted - 2012.10.31 15:02:00 - [84] - Quote well maybe if PVE pilots werent such juicy targets.... I mean, extremely juicy. like faction fit, officer fit etc.. Not to mention implants.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 2688	Posted - 2012.10.31 15:22:00 - [85] - Quote Anslo wrote: TheGunslinger42 wrote: Adding to the bounty pool on this disgusting carebear. We can make sure it's worthwhile for people to suicide gank you again and again. I'm kind of sure targeted suicide ganking too many times is against the rules and counted as griefing... If it is done for no valid in game reason, yes. However, if you have a juicy bounty on your head that constitutes a valid in game reason. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
TheGunslinger42 Bite Me inc 467	Posted - 2012.10.31 15:30:00 - [86] - Quote Anslo wrote: TheGunslinger42 wrote: Adding to the bounty pool on this disgusting carebear. We can make sure it's worthwhile for people to suicide gank you again and again. I'm kind of sure targeted suicide ganking too many times is against the rules and counted as griefing... Not if it's done because of the new bounty system. It's always a bloo bloo griefing this griefing that with some people, gosh!
Robert De'Arneth 219	Posted - 2012.10.31 15:37:00 - [87] - Quote TheGunslinger42 wrote: Anslo wrote: TheGunslinger42 wrote: Adding to the bounty pool on this disgusting carebear. We can make sure it's worthwhile for people to suicide gank you again and again. I'm kind of sure targeted suicide ganking too many times is against the rules and counted as griefing... Not if it's done because of the new bounty system. It's always a bloo bloo griefing this griefing that with some people, gosh! Well bring on the bounties, my new corp mates can use the ISK. I enjoy helping the newer people out. Or I could just let the bounties grow and enjoy the waste of your isk while sitting in station skilling this guy up. Might do that, because it will make nerd ragers like you more upset. At the end of the day, it will still be me who decides who collects it. You have not lived until you have been Wated by Jim!!-á-á
Lilly Tiger Megalith Heavy Industries 11	Posted - 2012.10.31 15:51:00 - [88] - Quote quotes like these annoy me: KrakizBad wrote: Another alt opinion pro-carebear. What a shocker. Ptraci wrote: For a PvP pilot of 9 years, you sure have a nonexistant kill-board. Oh wait, I'm wasting time talking to an alt. I agree with most of his points (here too) actually. I'm not posting from an alt.. So now that we have the REALLY STUPID "you post with an alt so you argument has no value" / "you dont have good killboard stats so your argument has no value" **** out of the way, can we perhaps discuss the actual topic in this discussion forum? Sorry, i just get soooo annoyed at people that try desperately to cling on to anything that isnt the actual topic to derail it. Why do you disagree with his points (since you apparently do)? Or is that too much on topic for you..
flakeys Angels of Anarchy Interstellar Confederation 391	Posted - 2012.10.31 15:54:00 - [89] - Quote For someone who asks for a thread to be closed if it doesn't go the way he likes you sure know what topic's to choose OP . There is a sufficiency in the world for man's need but not for man's greed.-á
Lilly Tiger Megalith Heavy Industries 11	Posted - 2012.10.31 16:00:00 - [90] - Quote Some Rando wrote: White Quake wrote: HOWEVER to gank people in empire, is cowardly and not real pvp. Sigh. I hate to point this out but it technically is real PvP because both parties are players and, you know, Player versus Player and all that... Unless one of them isn't a player... You got a good point there, It is PVP.. and some hisec carebears need to learn to accept that. The hate goes both ways it seems, "elite PVPers" hating on the hisec PVE players, and "carebear hisec" players hating on the "evil PVPers". Thing is. If its ok to kill hisec people for fun from a PVP perspective, and their tears are just added fun, why the hell is it NOT ok for PVE focused players to stay away from PVP-centric areas if they dont want to PVP? As a PVPer YOU get the choice of bringing the pain to hisec (limited as it might be) why shouldn't PVEers get the option of NOT wanting to go to lowsec/nullsec to seek out more of the gameplay they dont want? on the PVP part: I'd like more PvB to happen in EVE.. Player versus Bots :)



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