James summed it up well a while ago: Miners strive to NOT play the game and to instead be bots. I'll try and find the post, it was one of his big threadnaughts about ganking miners from last year

Hello

As i have stated before i am not new to EvE but new to the forums. As a PvP pilot of nine years, i am find it highly disturbing the amount of hostility that PvP pilots direct at high sec PvE players, i do not use the term care-bear as it is derogatory towards other players who do not choose to game as i do. Below i am going to highlight issues i have with the current PvP pilot attitude towards PvE players.

1. We hate miners - The question is why? What is it they do other than play EvE online in a different way to you? The truth is, nothing, 0.0 alliances control the market, not empire corps, they never have. So why the hate towards miners?

2. We hate mission runners - The question is why? What is it they do other than play EvE online in a diffrent way to you? The truth is, nothing, The get enjoyment from buying expensive ships, running level 4's, watching there wealth go up and tricking out there ships much like i do for PvP. But, you don't like it? Seems a tad reprehensible to me.

3. We hate Incursions - The Question is why? What is it they do other than play EvE online in a diffrent way to you? The truth is, nothing, they love incursions, the love to make so much money, they don't know what to do with it, so what? How does this affect you? It doesn't, you just complain and get them nerfed to hell and back. Seems again, reprehensible.

4. We hate WH corps - The question is why? What is it they do other than play EvE online in a diffrent way to you? The truth is, nothing. You dislike they can hide in bubbles, make money and don't have to fight you, have cloaky ships (even tho you use these yourself). Again, reprehensible.

The bottom line is, PvP pilots dislike PvE pilots for one reason and one reason only, they choose to play EvE Online differently than you, for you to attack the PvE population verbally on the forums and to push your own agenda will not force them to PvP or force them into our play grounds. All you will force them to do is quit.

Also please don't rag in with *market pvp* because thats rubbish, the market is business. Not PvP. U cant swing it that way, so dont even try

I have been a pvp since 2 months after beta when i joined Curse Alliance and have been ever since, yes i have an ice miner (doesn't make me much isk) and yes i have a mission runner in a tengu (makes less isk than null ratting tbfh) so, in that regard.

You need to leave off because it is very sad and reprehensible that PvP pilots think you have god given right to tell other people how to play a game they pay for. You can sit and say Market PvP and Trade PvP and blah blah PvP but they don't see it like that and should not be forced to.

When a player "pays" to play EvE Online, they should not then be forced to play how a PvP pilot demands he does, it is beyond selfish.

What I don't like is that you are able to gain as much reward as I do with far less risk and many people of your demographic emphatically argue in favor of the current broken risk:reward dynamic so their all holy "isk/hr" remains unaffected. People who experience actual risk are tired of highsec being pampered and being told to HTFU when we complain. It doesn't help that CCP mostly ignores other sec areas or leaves them hideously broken for long periods of time either. It also doesn't help that most of the highsec PvErs who post here are npc alts, rage posting, or posting something moronic.

I was actually following and posting in that thread you mentioned, and have been writing similar threads myself in the past. The reason he asked for it locked might have been that insistent guy always posting angry retorts and hiding behind "im in character!" and reiterating the same arguments over and over again?

Actually, come to think of it, i have been posting and following quite a few of those kind of threads over the years in EVE, and you know what? they almost always end with getting locked because of A) insane amounts of hate/flaming from some very vocal people. Usually of the type "you suck/should leave/die etc for not wanting to do PVP 24/7 in EVE!!!". B) the OP asking for it to be locked because of the massive amounts of personal attacks that start and the derailment of the topic that ensues from that..

You are paying to play a sandbox game where most of the items are player made, if they make it they have the right to set it at any price they want.

If you are mad about it do something about it in game, it is a sandbox and you have every right to do something about it.

Eg: Gank transport ships.

Beat me to it. Where is most of this hate generated? In 0.0. When is this hate generated? When the major players are at a lull and have no big war to fight. Who generates the hate? The people in charge? Why do they generate the hate? To keep their troops unified until the next big thing comes along. What if they don't generate hate and create a campaign against it? People get bored, infighting, people leave.

The soldiers need directive and entertainment. Hulkageddon, ice interdiction, invasion of WH space en mass are all tools to keep the front liners from becoming rebellious.

You need to leave off because it is very sad and reprehensible that PvP pilots think you have god given right to tell other people how to play a game they pay for.

Your head looks too small

I am now and always have been a carebear. I just beleive in pre-emptively defending my asteroids from everyone in the game, even people that live in regions far removed from my own.

You need to leave off because it is very sad and reprehensible that PvP pilots think you have god given right to tell other people how to play a game they pay for.

admittedly we're only bumping folks and already the sweet sweet rage from certain people is well worth the loss of the ISK I could making missioning or mining instead.

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Oh, and OP: the market is the most vicious PvP arena in the game.

Not God-given, but rather CCP-given. I'm sure any respectable theologian would agree that there's a significant difference.

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Oh, and OP: the market is the most vicious PvP arena in the game.

Absolute rubbish, there is no combat over the market, it is simply business, you don't see RL businessmen killing each other because Argos sold a stereo cheaper than Comet now do you?

PVP pilots should NOT be allowed to shoot in high sec at all.

From experience, I can tell you that both Argos and Comet *fight* to sell you expensive crap at a lower price than each other. That right there is real-life PvP (technically, BvB). I've been a victim of both of these corporate bastards ganking my wallet.



And the troll reveals his true colours.

Absolute rubbish, there is no combat over the market

you don't see RL businessmen killing each other because Argos sold a stereo cheaper than Comet now do you?

Please don't lecture to me about pvp,

Do u know why WOW is so sucessful? Because NO PLAYER is forced to play how others want to

Ok. I'll stop lecturing you when you stop being wrong. Deal?

It as nothing to do with True colours, it has to do with PvP pilots leaving high sec pilots alone

As soon as a player even suggest that high sec be about production or merc corps, you instantly scream carebear lover

it is the same rubbish over and over on every thread

PVP pilots want super easy targets

Do u know why WOW is so sucessful? Because NO PLAYER is forced to play how others want to

It as nothing to do with True colours, it has to do with PvP pilots leaving high sec pilots alone

As soon as a player even suggest that high sec be about production or merc corps, you instantly scream carebear lover

it is the same rubbish over and over on every thread

PVP pilots want super easy targets

Do u know why WOW is so sucessful? Because NO PLAYER is forced to play how others want to

i love eve online, i will be here till its dieing breath, but there needs to be changes made for the good of the game, not the tiny pvp grief areas

False, I got sick of being killed and started doing PvP. I still get kill but on my terms now, and when I do the killing it is a much better expierence than any other part of this game. Hell even when I die I still have more fun.

[quote=Mr Epeen]I'm sure that CCP understand more than anyone that the game doesn't really work as intended if the high sec economy can't be impacted by other people. With inferno they removed a big part of how players could have an impact, hopefully with retribution and the bounty system we get that back, AND miners can use the same tool to fight back as well.

Retribution may not just mean high sec being able to fight back against pirates, but other people being able to fight back against the high sec economy which, apparently unknown to many in high sec, is effecting a large part of the rest of New Eden, and not in a good way.

Pancakes...