So, give the freighter enough EHP to survive a high alpha, but give it little to no recharge. That way, moving a loaded freighter with a couple friend cross repping logi's can keep the freighter alive long enough for CONCORD response.

Wait... 30K EHP... never mind. That would be some alpha.

Seems to me we don't need to change the freighter. We need to change the mindset of the people flying them to have some friendly logi ships hanging around to rep them long enough for concord to arrive.

Or am I missing something? Are 30K alpha's common? Or would they just alpha the logi then take out the freighter?

Or am I missing something? Are 30K alpha's common? Or would they just alpha the logi then take out the freighter?

It as nothing to do with True colours, it has to do with PvP pilots leaving high sec pilots alone

As soon as a player even suggest that high sec be about production or merc corps, you instantly scream carebear lover

it is the same rubbish over and over on every thread

PVP pilots want super easy targets

Do u know why WOW is so sucessful? Because NO PLAYER is forced to play how others want to

i love eve online, i will be here till its dieing breath, but there needs to be changes made for the good of the game, not the tiny pvp grief areas

Hello

As i have stated before i am not new to EvE but new to the forums. As a PvP pilot of nine years, i am find it highly disturbing the amount of hostility that PvP pilots direct at high sec PvE players, i do not use the term care-bear as it is derogatory towards other players who do not choose to game as i do. Below i am going to highlight issues i have with the current PvP pilot attitude towards PvE players.

1. We hate miners - The question is why? What is it they do other than play EvE online in a different way to you? The truth is, nothing, 0.0 alliances control the market, not empire corps, they never have. So why the hate towards miners?

2. We hate mission runners - The question is why? What is it they do other than play EvE online in a diffrent way to you? The truth is, nothing, The get enjoyment from buying expensive ships, running level 4's, watching there wealth go up and tricking out there ships much like i do for PvP. But, you don't like it? Seems a tad reprehensible to me.

3. We hate Incursions - The Question is why? What is it they do other than play EvE online in a diffrent way to you? The truth is, nothing, they love incursions, the love to make so much money, they don't know what to do with it, so what? How does this affect you? It doesn't, you just complain and get them nerfed to hell and back. Seems again, reprehensible.

4. We hate WH corps - The question is why? What is it they do other than play EvE online in a diffrent way to you? The truth is, nothing. You dislike they can hide in bubbles, make money and don't have to fight you, have cloaky ships (even tho you use these yourself). Again, reprehensible.

The bottom line is, PvP pilots dislike PvE pilots for one reason and one reason only, they choose to play EvE Online differently than you, for you to attack the PvE population verbally on the forums and to push your own agenda will not force them to PvP or force them into our play grounds. All you will force them to do is quit.

Also please don't rag in with *market pvp* because thats rubbish, the market is business. Not PvP. U cant swing it that way, so dont even try

I have been a pvp since 2 months after beta when i joined Curse Alliance and have been ever since, yes i have an ice miner (doesn't make me much isk) and yes i have a mission runner in a tengu (makes less isk than null ratting tbfh) so, in that regard.

You need to leave off because it is very sad and reprehensible that PvP pilots think you have god given right to tell other people how to play a game they pay for. You can sit and say Market PvP and Trade PvP and blah blah PvP but they don't see it like that and should not be forced to.

When a player "pays" to play EvE Online, they should not then be forced to play how a PvP pilot demands he does, it is beyond selfish.

Forum alts, go home.

From experience, I can tell you that both Argos and Comet *fight* to sell you expensive crap at a lower price than each other. That right there is real-life PvP (technically, BvB). I've been a victim of both of these corporate bastards ganking my wallet.



And the troll reveals his true colours.

Another thing I have found is most PVPers have no clue how indy works nor the massive amount of materials just 1 toon can burn through each day. A big time industrialist is going to base himself where he will have ready access to all the needed supplies to keep his lines going 24/7. He's not going to relocate to some backwater nullsec system where basic stuff is hard to find.

I only hate those groups when the start to whine that 0.0 has it better than they do, and how we need to be nerfed.

Ive said it several times, if the opportunities of Sov 0.0 even MATCHED what empire had I would never go to high-sec again. Sadly I have to go to 4-4 several times per week to buy ships, mods, skill books, ammo, etc. because they cannot, due to game mechanics failures, be locally produced where I live.

Actually that is a lie, I would still go to high-sec, but I would go for entirely different reasons. I would just be less bitter about the constant flow of BAW coming from empire people.

The grass is always greener I guess.

they cannot, due to game mechanics failures, be locally produced where I live

People tend to forget that you have a choice in EvE

Seriously,

Everyone can make logical arguments to the OP, but I doubt anyone will get through to him. Some peeps just are not capable of realizing that they possibly may be wrong about something and be willing to bend. That's too bad.

The moment any player undocks from a station outside of the training areas, they are expressing a willingness to engage in combat based PvP. These are the rules all players must adhere to.

Null sec is perfectly capable of producing ships and modules there's just no one around to do it on a large enough scale. I think the main problems are most null alliances don't have a decent sized indy wing and even if they did nullsec isn't indy friendly. Why you might ask?

Hello

...wrote stuff I didn-¦t care to read

As a generalization though PvPers seem to whine on the forum significantly more than everyone else.

I shot a random noob rifter today.
I checked what he has lost and sent him the money plus a bit.

To his question of why i did it....

Because you where there!

He fully accepted and understood that.
Lost a cheap ship, gained much more experience.