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Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 293	Posted - 2012.10.31 16:02:00 - [91] - Quote Lilly Tiger wrote: why the hell is it NOT ok for PVE focused players to stay away from PVP-centric areas if they dont want to PVP? Because they do want to PvP.
Lilly Tiger Megalith Heavy Industries 11	Posted - 2012.10.31 16:03:00 - [92] - Quote flakeys wrote: For someone who asks for a thread to be closed if it doesn't go the way he likes you sure know what topic's to choose OP . I was actually following and posting in that thread you mentioned, and have been writing similar threads myself in the past. The reason he asked for it locked might have been that insistent guy always posting angry retorts and hiding behind "im in character!" and reiterating the same arguments over and over again? Actually, come to think of it, i have been posting and following quite a few of those kind of threads over the years in EVE, and you know what? they almost always end with getting locked because of A) insane amounts of hate/flaming from some very vocal people. Usually of the type "you suck/should leave/die etc for not wanting to do PVP 24/7 in EVE!!!". B) the OP asking for it to be locked because of the massive amounts of personal attacks that start and the derailment of the topic that ensues from that..
Mhax Arthie University of Caille Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2012.10.31 16:05:00 - [93] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Mhax Arthie wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: The more I read crap like the OP, the more I begin to understand why groups like the Goons exist. I've been fighting goons since my very 1st day as a shave-tail null sec newbie in Atlas Alliance up till now so I've always equate "Goon" with "Assclown" but now, not so much. .... Sad. Switching your hateread toward goons to some inocent carebears makes you nothing else that a carebear. What you gonna do from now on, raid the ice fields and bitching all day long on forums about miners instead of hunting the hunters? Pfff... That's the thing, the "carebears" aren't "innocent". The only times Goons have had an affect on me personally is when they've blown up my combat ships when I was in Atlas....and IT.....and -A-....and NCDot lol (like I've said, i've been on the anti-Goon side a LONG time), but at least they have the nutt-sacktuional fortitude to actually FACE ME in a fight, where as these "innocent carebears" can only muster a teresly worded forum post against me while to mine/mission/incursion the economy into the ground lol. I'm not quite a goon lover yet, but i support their "emergent gameplayin" them carebears to tears. So they blow ur your precious ship, that's the only bad thing they done on you. Ok. Well, I assume that I should not hate politicians irl as they never interfere with my life, if they blow up my taxes is only because they love me and all they want is to have an emergent lifestyle. That's a very solid argument I must admit, so maybe I will quit to be an anarchist carebear and enjoy the happiness they provide for free day by day. Not.
Lilly Tiger Megalith Heavy Industries 11	Posted - 2012.10.31 16:06:00 - [94] - Quote Riot Girl wrote: Lilly Tiger wrote: why the hell is it NOT ok for PVE focused players to stay away from PVP-centric areas if they dont want to PVP? Because they do want to PvP. That is the most illogical response i heard today. Sorry but it is. By definition, if you want to focus on PVE, you DONT want to focus on PVP. You might change your mind later, great, then you can do PVP. If you are thinking of "Everything in eve is pvp" argument, i agree. I will be more precise, i was talking about the PVP-combat oriented players. WHy do the ones who dont want to do PVP in ship combat, have to actively try to do this? (they are going to get it indirectly anyways btw..)
Some Rando University of Caille Gallente Federation 23	Posted - 2012.10.31 16:07:00 - [95] - Quote Lilly Tiger wrote: why the hell is it NOT ok for PVE focused players to stay away from PVP-centric areas if they dont want to PVP? It is perfectly acceptable for the PvE players to stay away from the PvP areas, the problem is they'd have to leave EVE to do that.
TheGunslinger42 Bite Me inc 467	Posted - 2012.10.31 16:08:00 - [96] - Quote Lilly Tiger wrote: Some Rando wrote: White Quake wrote: HOWEVER to gank people in empire, is cowardly and not real pvp. Sigh. I hate to point this out but it technically is real PvP because both parties are players and, you know, Player versus Player and all that... Unless one of them isn't a player... You got a good point there, It is PVP.. and some hisec carebears need to learn to accept that. The hate goes both ways it seems, "elite PVPers" hating on the hisec PVE players, and "carebear hisec" players hating on the "evil PVPers". Thing is. If its ok to kill hisec people for fun from a PVP perspective, and their tears are just added fun, why the hell is it NOT ok for PVE focused players to stay away from PVP-centric areas if they dont want to PVP? As a PVPer YOU get the choice of bringing the pain to hisec (limited as it might be) why shouldn't PVEers get the option of NOT wanting to go to lowsec/nullsec to seek out more of the gameplay they dont want? on the PVP part: I'd like more PvB to happen in EVE.. Player versus Bots :) They have the option of not going to null/low, but they don't have the option of opting out of player vs player interaction as long as their actions (mining, missioning, manufacturing) have an effect on other players. I fully support allowing players to opt out of pvp provided they really opt out of pvp, and not just opt out of the forms they dislike. Stop mining, missioning, cancel any manufacturing jobs and market orders, etc and then it'll be fine.
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 293	Posted - 2012.10.31 16:10:00 - [97] - Quote The moment any player undocks from a station outside of the training areas, they are expressing a willingness to engage in combat based PvP. These are the rules all players must adhere to.
Lilly Tiger Megalith Heavy Industries 11	Posted - 2012.10.31 16:10:00 - [98] - Quote Some Rando wrote: Lilly Tiger wrote: why the hell is it NOT ok for PVE focused players to stay away from PVP-centric areas if they dont want to PVP? It is perfectly acceptable for the PvE players to stay away from the PvP areas, the problem is they'd have to leave EVE to do that. Look at my more precisely worded post about this, just above this post by you I am sure you understand what i really meant by it already though.. The rest of the post talks about actively engaging in PVP. That is not the same as having a "pvp flag is off or on" function and you know it.
Some Rando University of Caille Gallente Federation 23	Posted - 2012.10.31 16:13:00 - [99] - Quote Lilly Tiger wrote: I am sure you understand what i really meant by it already though.. The rest of the post talks about actively engaging in PVP. That is not the same as having a "pvp flag is off or on" function and you know it. I'm not sure that you understand. The mere fact that I can activate offensive modules against your ship pretty much anywhere (with some notable exceptions to get newbies on their feet) indicates to me that there are no places in EVE that are exempt from ship-to-ship PvP.
Lilly Tiger Megalith Heavy Industries 11	Posted - 2012.10.31 16:14:00 - [100] - Quote Riot Girl wrote: The moment any player undocks from a station outside of the training areas, they are expressing a willingness to engage in combat based PvP. These are the rules all players must adhere to. YES. and STILL the PVPers who actively fit combat ships and try to kill others are in constant frustration over the ones who fit combat ships for missioning (PVE) or even non-combat ships for industry (mining, hauling, PI, whatever) in hisec. According to your point, they are already "expressing a willingness to engage in pvp" (in their barge.. wtf?), and such what is the constant whining about from all the PVPers? If they want to fit like prey instead of predators in the great game of PVP in eve, and at the same time (understandably) try to minimize how exposed they are to predators in a non-safe are (all of EVE, hisec is just less unsafe, its not safe).. why is that so god awfully WRONG that so many people whine about?

Lilly Tiger Megalith Heavy Industries 11	Posted - 2012.10.31 16:15:00 - [101] - Quote Some Rando wrote: Lilly Tiger wrote: I am sure you understand what i really meant by it already though.. The rest of the post talks about actively engaging in PVP. That is not the same as having a "pvp flag is off or on" function and you know it. I'm not sure that you understand. The mere fact that I can activate offensive modules against your ship pretty much anywhere (with some notable exceptions to get newbies on their feet) indicates to me that there are no places in EVE that are exempt from ship-to-ship PvP. See my previous reply to Riot Girl, you are both making the same point and either willfully misunderstanding me or just incapable of seeing the distinction im trying to point out. PVPers whine about hisec players not actively trying to PVP more. Hisec players arent safe, they just try to minimize the PVP combat risk because thats how they like to play. The are allowed to do that, because they are still at risk anyways since its a PVP all over the place all the time game. Stop behaving like i mean its ok to turn off a pvp flag (which i have explicitely said i DONT want).
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 293	Posted - 2012.10.31 16:25:00 - [102] - Quote Lilly Tiger wrote: According to your point, they are already "expressing a willingness to engage in pvp" (in their barge.. wtf?), and such what is the constant whining about from all the PVPers? The frustration stems from those who refuse to accept the rules. There are some people who wish to undock while retaining the protection of being docked. This wouldn't be a problem if they kept these wishes to themselves, but they don't. They express their desires openly and shamelessly and that is embarrassing and unacceptable.
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 293	Posted - 2012.10.31 16:26:00 - [103] - Quote Lilly Tiger wrote: Stop behaving like i mean its ok to turn off a pvp flag (which i have explicitely said i DONT want). I'm not attacking you, I'm just trying to share my stance on the matter. I apologise if I seem abrasive.
baltec1 Bat Country 2649	Posted - 2012.10.31 16:30:00 - [104] - Quote Lilly Tiger wrote: See my previous reply to Riot Girl, you are both making the same point and either willfully misunderstanding me or just incapable of seeing the distinction im trying to point out. PVPers whine about hisec players not actively trying to PVP more. Hisec players arent safe, they just try to minimize the PVP combat risk because thats how they like to play. The are allowed to do that, because they are still at risk anyways since its a PVP all over the place all the time game. Stop behaving like i mean its ok to turn off a pvp flag (which i have explicitely said i DONT want). No we are trying to stop the bears from removing pvp from high sec. Case in point is the Macks EHP buff which was unnessesary, broke the balance CCP was aiming for and effectivly removed a playstyle for no good reason other than to appease the greed and lazyness of outraged bad miners. Now they want bumping removed too.
Lilly Tiger Megalith Heavy Industries 11	Posted - 2012.10.31 16:33:00 - [105] - Quote Riot Girl wrote: Lilly Tiger wrote: According to your point, they are already "expressing a willingness to engage in pvp" (in their barge.. wtf?), and such what is the constant whining about from all the PVPers? The frustration stems from those who refuse to accept the rules. There are some people who wish to undock while retaining the protection of being docked. This wouldn't be a problem if they kept these wishes to themselves, but they don't. They express their desires openly and shamelessly and that is embarrassing and unacceptable. Here i agree with you. Those kind of carebears should just leave or HTFU. Problem is that there are many hisec players who focus on PVE that are not like this. Still, do a mission or sit in a barge in hisec and you are almost auotmatically branded as one of idiots that think we need a pvp flag to switch off. The problem i see that frustrates me is this: I'm not sure about the demographics, but there seems to me that there is a higher percentage of pvpers that automatically label and hate hisec players than there is hisec players who behave like they want to be 100% safe from everything. Take that and include that in the fact that the majority of the players actually are in hisec, and you got quite a pickle. Basically it seems that a minority in eve (nullsec/lowsec PVPers) is harassing a majority(hisec players), because they view them all as another minority(hisec carebears who want PVP free zones) :) (now correct me if someone has actual numbers on this or other experiences, I'd like to know)
funrollloops GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 6	Posted - 2012.10.31 16:46:00 - [106] - Quote To be honest, I just don't really trust miners. I don't believe anyone finds mining fun, so what the hell are they doing? They're definitely up to something (at least the ones that aren't bots). I wish they'd find something else to do besides hanging around the asteroid belts in their odd looking barges gibbering weirdly and using their perverted weaponry to shoot space rocks.
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 293	Posted - 2012.10.31 16:52:00 - [107] - Quote Lilly Tiger wrote: Basically it seems that a minority in eve (nullsec/lowsec PVPers) is harassing a majority(hisec players), because they view them all as another minority(hisec carebears who want PVP free zones) :) I'd think you are breaking the two sides of the argument down into the wrong categories. The arguments come from those who value the code of conduct for PvP and do not wish to see that code undermined. Their argument is not with high-sec carebears, but with CCP for weakening the integrity of that code to satisfy those who do not respect it.
TheGunslinger42 Bite Me inc 467	Posted - 2012.10.31 16:56:00 - [108] - Quote funrollloops wrote: To be honest, I just don't really trust miners. I don't believe anyone finds mining fun, so what the hell are they doing? They're definitely up to something (at least the ones that aren't bots). I wish they'd find something else to do besides hanging around the asteroid belts in their odd looking barges gibbering weirdly and using their perverted weaponry to shoot space rocks. James summed it up well a while ago: Miners strive to NOT play the game and to instead be bots. I'll try and find the post, it was one of his big threadnaughts about ganking miners from last year
Xuixien Rifterlings Damu'Khonde 154	Posted - 2012.10.31 17:51:00 - [109] - Quote Anslo wrote: TheGunslinger42 wrote: Adding to the bounty pool on this disgusting carebear. We can make sure it's worthwhile for people to suicide gank you again and again. I'm kind of sure targeted suicide ganking too many times is against the rules and counted as griefing... Not if you're making a profit by doing it. Rabble Rabble!! *Rifterlings is currently recruiting frigate and cruiser pilots for LowSec/NullSec small gang PvP and FW. Newbies and veterans alike are welcome.*
Xuixien Rifterlings Damu'Khonde 154	Posted - 2012.10.31 17:59:00 - [110] - Quote !!!!HERE'S AN AMAZING AND UNHEARD OF IDEA!!!! Get ready for this one guys, it's a doozy..... All PvP in EVE is actually consensual - you consent the moment you log in. You may or may not like the way you got PvP'd in any given situation, but the fact is, you did consent to it. The solution, therefore, is to stop logging in. EVE is a game for lions. Be a lion and you will be successful. Whine... and you will be forever at the mercy of other people. Rabble Rabble!! *Rifterlings is currently recruiting frigate and cruiser pilots for LowSec/NullSec small gang PvP and FW. Newbies and veterans alike are welcome.*

Surfin's PlunderBunny Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 3335	Posted - 2012.10.31 18:00:00 - [111] - Quote Xuixien wrote: !!!!HERE'S AN AMAZING AND UNHEARD OF IDEA!!!! Get ready for this one guys, it's a doozy..... All PvP in EVE is actually consensual - you consent the moment you log in. You may or may not like the way you got PvP'd in any given situation, but the fact is, you did consent to it. The solution, therefore, is to stop logging in. EVE is a game for lions. Be a lion and you will be successful. Whine... and you will be forever at the mercy of other people. I'd rather be a hippo "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á
White Quake Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 69	Posted - 2012.10.31 19:20:00 - [112] - Quote Well Took my kids off to a halloween party and came back to 6 pages, awsum Bottom line is No where in eve is safe, standard practice However, players who don't want to pvp should be left alone If eve were pure pvp only The game would crash over night think about it :)
DarthNefarius Minmatar Heavy Industries 426	Posted - 2012.10.31 19:44:00 - [113] - Quote oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: People tend to forget that you have a choice in EvE YEP pretty much every whiney NULL sponsored NERF HI SEC thread is really a nerf choices thread ( same is true of the whiney HI SEC sponsored nerf gankers threads of course ) Meta-gaming for NULL SECCers: Whine on the forums like a little ***** until CCP gets sick of you and hands you everything you ask for just to shut you up.-á Typical NULL seccer whine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u299-o66wo&feature=related
Touval Lysander Zero Wine 555	Posted - 2012.10.31 19:44:00 - [114] - Quote Lilly Tiger wrote: I was actually following and posting in that thread you mentioned, and have been writing similar threads myself in the past. The reason he asked for it locked might have been that insistent guy always posting angry retorts and hiding behind "im in character!" and reiterating the same arguments over and over again? I'm comfortable with this. Because I did. Deliberately. Do me a favour and look at the OP in that topic. Then look at his last post before he asked it to be locked. Then tell me how he fast he educated himself about lack of forum censorship. Carry on. "I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
DarthNefarius Minmatar Heavy Industries 426	Posted - 2012.10.31 19:46:00 - [115] - Quote Xuixien wrote: EVE is a game for lions. Be a lion and you will be successful. Whine... and you will be forever at the mercy of other people. The whiney lions IMHO are alot more despicable then whiney Zebras you have to admit, no? Meta-gaming for NULL SECCers: Whine on the forums like a little ***** until CCP gets sick of you and hands you everything you ask for just to shut you up.-á Typical NULL seccer whine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u299-o66wo&feature=related
Pak Narhoo Knights of Kador 744	Posted - 2012.10.31 19:56:00 - [116] - Quote One way of improving these forums might be that you must post with your main. The Op is clearly hiding behind an alt or just lying, rabble rabble rabble " I'm a PvP pilot of nine years". Which in that case makes the OP's post a clear case of trolling. Trolling is as you know is the word used to describe a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting the players. Posts of this nature are disruptive and do not contribute to the sense of community we want for our forums. I think you all are trolled. Hi, I'm CCP Arrow, I screwed up the.. ummm...
White Quake Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 70	Posted - 2012.10.31 20:02:00 - [117] - Quote Pak Narhoo wrote: One way of improving these forums might be that you must post with your main. The Op is clearly hiding behind an alt or just lying, rabble rabble rabble " I'm a PvP pilot of nine years". Which in that case makes the OP's post a clear case of trolling. Trolling is as you know is the word used to describe a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting the players. Posts of this nature are disruptive and do not contribute to the sense of community we want for our forums. I think you all are trolled. been here since 03 ca/bob/ascn/lv/g/iron/red alliance i post with an alt because i dont want buncha butt hurt nobs ganking e 24/7 to prove a point
BoSau Hotim The Artist's 2270	Posted - 2012.10.31 20:02:00 - [118] - Quote People on the forums troll and rage on everyone, not just non pvp players. The non-pvp players single themselves out when they post the 'leave me alone, you have no right to gank me, you have no right to do ice interdiction, you have no right to ninja salvage me... ' etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.... You all know I can go on and on with the complaints they make. They single themselves out on the forums not realizing that this is a pvp game. No matter where you are in Eve you are always in the position where you may need to fight/flight to save your ship. THIS IS A PVP GAME. - BOOM - there is it. Once a player realizes this, as I did in my early months, they have the option to adapt. Either fight / flight/ or fit until concord saves ur butt. OP - sorry, but you cannot call on everyone in the game to tell them to stop playing within the perameters that the game was built upon. Annoyance on the forums comes from posts like that. Suggestions that this not be a pvp game belongs on the suggestion forums IMO. -á *DISCLAIMER* Regarding this avatar - any resemblance or similarity to other avatars-áeither living or dead is purely coincidental.
Touval Lysander Zero Wine 558	Posted - 2012.10.31 20:26:00 - [119] - Quote BoSau Hotim wrote: Annoyance on the forums comes from posts like that. Suggestions that this not be a pvp game belongs on the suggestion forums IMO. Heard someone the other day on an eve TS channel complaining he had no-one else to talk to. Asked why, he was playing X3. "I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Lilly Tiger Megalith Heavy Industries 11	Posted - 2012.10.31 20:44:00 - [120] - Quote Touval Lysander wrote: Lilly Tiger wrote: I was actually following and posting in that thread you mentioned, and have been writing similar threads myself in the past. The reason he asked for it locked might have been that insistent guy always posting angry retorts and hiding behind "im in character!" and reiterating the same arguments over and over again? I'm comfortable with this. Because I did. Deliberately. Do me a favour and look at the OP in that topic. Then look at his last post before he asked it to be locked. Then tell me how he fast he educated himself about lack of forum censorship. Carry on. I always found it easier to just block the people that bring nothing worthwhile to the table, be it scammers in jita or trolls on the forum. Your posts have some points among your anger, so you're not on that list though. It just was amusing to see the "im in character so dont judge my real life persona based on my angrily worded replies" in this forum. No problem with you playing a part, but don't expect everyone to applaud you for it and take it for granted that THAT is what you are doing on a general discussion, usually out of character, forum. But i see your point. Just be aware that there is another way of dealing with people who behave like pricks: not logging off, but putting them on the ignore list instead.



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