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Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE
Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:07:00 -
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I think it's possible that the new bounty system could be the saviour of EvE.
The two main complaints about high-sec right now are;
1. Suicide ganking isn't profitable enough for the effort.
2. High-sec players get too much isk for too little reward.
A further complaint is that the game has too few ISK sinks.
With the new bounty system, we will be able to place bounties of any amount on anyone, for any reason. We can force people to participate in PvP even if they pretend they don't want to. We can make ganking profitable. Even if the profits will be small (20m bounty from a Mackinaw according to Petrus Blackshell in this thread https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2067812#post2067812 ), it might be worth it just for the tears, plus loot and salvage.
Essentially, for every 20m ISK bounty you place on a miner, that miner will lose 200m isk when he is ganked. This makes it seem like high-sec mining is going to become quite a risky business and result in a lot of carebears losing a lot of ISK to gankers who just want to see them QQ.
So where does the ISK sink part come in? Well, the bounty system itself is an ISK sink. As people keep piling bounties on the miners, the bounties get higher and higher. A miner with a 200m bounty is good for 10 ganks, and what happens when a carebear miner is ganked too many times? He quits EvE, taking his bounty with him.
Every time a carebear quits EvE, they are removing ISK from the economy, thus creating the ISK sink the game needs.
It seems to me that with the new bounty system, we can save EvE by forcing players to quit with relentless ganking. The higher the bounties, the more likely they are to quit and remove those high bounties from the economy when they do.
This is why I think the new bounty system, with the proper player initiative, could save EvE. Alternatively, it could also lead to the fiery death of EvE. |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force
Fatal Ascension
1007
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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:09:00 -
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At least we will have something to do with the endless Tech ISK faucet the bears keep screaming about.
www.minerbumping.com - because your tears are delicious |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:11:00 -
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Quote:
Will the new bounty system save EvE?
Who says EVE needs saving?
Mr Epeen 
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10214
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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:12:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:At least we will have something to do with the endless Tech ISK faucet the bears keep screaming about. Too bad that tech isn't an ISK faucet (or that the new bounty system isn't an ISK sink).
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:12:00 -
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Posting in a stealth "EVE is dying" thread
"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE
Initiative Mercenaries
313
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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:14:00 -
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Tippia wrote:or that the new bounty system isn't an ISK sink
It is when people quit the game and take your ISK with them.
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Robert De'Arneth
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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:15:00 -
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Wait Eve is dying and needs saving? News to me, better start looking for new game!! Darn it. What needs saving is these froums from people like the OP. I swear Riot Girl cries more then any 1000 high sec players.
By the way RG, thanks for heads up my subscrptions are up in DEC, since eve is dying I can save real dollars, maybe you are useful afterall. 
I kid you not, a player in this game said he hates other players because they do not like his view of the game. |
Silk daShocka
Greasy Hair Club
52
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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:17:00 -
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So who other than the gankers that look to grief miners will be placing the bounties?
It's not profitable when your the one spending the money on the bounty.. |
Alice Saki
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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:19:00 -
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I Will Save you all.
Scottish Interweb Spaceshippy Person, Very Easily Confused.
I like to show my Love by Smashing people in the face with a big Hammer.
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Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE
Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:20:00 -
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Robert De'Arneth wrote:What needs saving is these froums from people like the OP. I swear Riot Girl cries more then any 1000 high sec players.
I'm a model poster and you know it. I'm a purely positive influence on this forum . |
Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE
Initiative Mercenaries
319
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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:20:00 -
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Alice Saki wrote:I Will Save you all.
Thanks Alice :D
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KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force
Fatal Ascension
1008
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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:21:00 -
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Tippia wrote:KrakizBad wrote:At least we will have something to do with the endless Tech ISK faucet the bears keep screaming about. Too bad that tech isn't an ISK faucet (or that the new bounty system isn't an ISK sink).
Shhhh, don't tell them that. 
www.minerbumping.com - because your tears are delicious |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10214
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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:21:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:It is when people quit the game and take your ISK with them. No. Partly because the ISK isn't gone, and partly because it has nothing to do with bounties.
Either way, it's not a sink.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE
Initiative Mercenaries
319
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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:24:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Riot Girl wrote:It is when people quit the game and take your ISK with them. No. Partly because the ISK isn't gone, and partly because it has nothing to do with bounties. Either way, it's not a sink.
Yeah, okay. Thanks for your insight. |
Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
139
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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:25:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:
[...] Alternatively, it could also lead to the fiery death of EvE.
Sometimes you don't need to read the first sentence, but the last sentence to identify the quality of a post. |
Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE
Initiative Mercenaries
322
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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:27:00 -
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Rordan D'Kherr wrote:Sometimes you don't need to read the first sentence, but the last sentence to identify the quality of a post.
Thanks, I take pride in my work. |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
Shaktipat Revelators
613
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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:27:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Riot Girl wrote:It is when people quit the game and take your ISK with them. No. Partly because the ISK isn't gone, and partly because it has nothing to do with bounties. Either way, it's not a sink.
Actually!
I think it was stated in the dev blog that if an account goes inactive, the ISK placed in the bounty dissapears. So it will be an ISK sink, of a sort. |
Silk daShocka
Greasy Hair Club
52
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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:30:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Tippia wrote:Riot Girl wrote:It is when people quit the game and take your ISK with them. No. Partly because the ISK isn't gone, and partly because it has nothing to do with bounties. Either way, it's not a sink. Actually! I think it was stated in the dev blog that if an account goes inactive, the ISK placed in the bounty dissapears. So it will be an ISK sink, of a sort.
So unsub for a day and no more bounty? |
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
40
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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:30:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Riot Girl wrote:It is when people quit the game and take your ISK with them. No. Partly because the ISK isn't gone, and partly because it has nothing to do with bounties. Either way, it's not a sink.
Honestly, this is all academic and no one cares. The important thing is that a carebear has left the game. |
dethleffs
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
115
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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:31:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Tippia wrote:Riot Girl wrote:It is when people quit the game and take your ISK with them. No. Partly because the ISK isn't gone, and partly because it has nothing to do with bounties. Either way, it's not a sink. Actually! I think it was stated in the dev blog that if an account goes inactive, the ISK placed in the bounty dissapears. So it will be an ISK sink, of a sort.
But that goes for the isk in an account itself too. Of course that would be an isk sink, but it hasnt got anything to do with bounties primarily |
Casirio
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD
Exhale.
91
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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:32:00 -
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cant wait for the new bounty system. will shake up the game for the good. I heard that you can place a bounty and only allow a certain person/corp/alliance to be able to collect it? Will be really interesting for merc groups to be able to get contracts using game mechanics. I think I read that in the dev blog, but not sure if it will be realsed quiet yet. They also mentioned placing bounties on structures/pos's, another awesome thing for mercs when it happens. I'm super excited, 2 days before my birthday as well! |
Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
139
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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:33:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Rordan D'Kherr wrote:Sometimes you don't need to read the first sentence, but the last sentence to identify the quality of a post. Thanks, I take pride in my work.
Actually you should feel bad
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Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
40
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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:34:00 -
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Casirio wrote:I heard that you can place a bounty and only allow a certain person/corp/alliance to be able to collect it?
You heard wrong. |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
Shaktipat Revelators
613
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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:34:00 -
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Silk daShocka wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Tippia wrote:Riot Girl wrote:It is when people quit the game and take your ISK with them. No. Partly because the ISK isn't gone, and partly because it has nothing to do with bounties. Either way, it's not a sink. Actually! I think it was stated in the dev blog that if an account goes inactive, the ISK placed in the bounty dissapears. So it will be an ISK sink, of a sort. So unsub for a day and no more bounty?
I am not certain what CCP counts as an inactive account or not. |
Alice Saki
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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:35:00 -
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Rordan D'Kherr wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Rordan D'Kherr wrote:Sometimes you don't need to read the first sentence, but the last sentence to identify the quality of a post. Thanks, I take pride in my work. Actually you should feel bad
I am bad, But I feel so good
GD or Bust.
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Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE
Initiative Mercenaries
325
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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:36:00 -
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dethleffs wrote:But that goes for the isk in an account itself too. Of course that would be an isk sink, but it hasnt got anything to do with bounties primarily
Unless the bounties become a large cause of people quitting. |
Casirio
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD
Exhale.
91
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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:37:00 -
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Some Rando wrote:Casirio wrote:I heard that you can place a bounty and only allow a certain person/corp/alliance to be able to collect it? You heard wrong.
No, you heard wrong.
Casirio wrote: I heard that you can place a bounty and only allow a certain person/corp/alliance to be able to collect it? Will be really interesting for merc groups to be able to get contracts using game mechanics. I think I read that in the dev blog, but not sure if it will be realsed quiet yet.
Quote:Iterative Work
There are a few additional things weGÇÖre looking into as a possible post-Retribution iteration work. Some of that stuff is too early to discuss right now, but here are a few tidbits of what could happen:
GÇóStructure bounties GÇô this is the ability to put a bounty directly on a structure like POS or POCO. While this is indirectly achieved by the ability to place a bounty on the owning corporation, being able to place it on a structure instead allows for a more directed strategic incentive.
GÇóPrivate/public bounties GÇô the ability to narrow the selection of who can claim your bounty. This would allow people to have more control over who can reap the benefits of the bounty and gives the receiver confidence that he will be rewarded for his efforts.
GÇóMore selective kill right selling GÇô this is similar to the one above, only for kill rights instead of bounties. This basically allows the owner of the kill right to select more carefully who can purchase the kill right.
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Ghazu
245
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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:41:00 -
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CONCORD is corrupt and takes 1% of bounties for looking the other way, boom isk sink.
http://www.minerbumping.com/ |
Dessau
75
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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:41:00 -
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I suspect consequences in High Sec (via a cycle of griefing and comeuppance) will have a lot of anti-social types squealing in GD.
Channel 'Asymmetrics'. PvP for gentlepersons. |
Silk daShocka
Greasy Hair Club
52
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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:43:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:dethleffs wrote:But that goes for the isk in an account itself too. Of course that would be an isk sink, but it hasnt got anything to do with bounties primarily Unless the bounties become a large cause of people quitting.
Still woulnd't be an Isk sink.
A practical example of why it isn't:
Let's say ALOT of miners quit cause of this, then CCP has a meeting and says, hey guys, I think that whole bounty thing, well, you know, we're losing money. Retribution 1.1 release notes: Mining barges no longer reward bounties.
Then miners resub, they stlil have the isk, since it was never removed.
I'm not trying to insinuate that miners will unsub en masse due to bounties, I only used this as an example since it was the first thing that came to mind. |
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