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Dar Manic
Republic University Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:06:00 -
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Once again, I'll quote: Bounties have no effect on who can be attacked legally where.
Having a bounty changes nothing in regards to who can shoot who. If that is not the intent they need to rephrase.
(not taking a side in the bumper wars... just trying to get information, as posted by CCP, out to the players.) Adapt or die... I love it when people using that phrase are loudly advocating great changes in the game!-á It's not adapting if you are crying for change, it's called whining.-á :) |

Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries
329
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:07:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:A bounty doesn't generate a free for all flag, it generates a contract that someone has to accept in order to shoot that person. It means that if I'm flying around with a bounty you don't have the right to shoot me until you accpt the bounty contract.
I think you're confusing bounties with kill rights.
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NARDAC
Newb U
12
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:08:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote: It should only mean that someone has to ACCEPT THE BOUNTY.
A bounty doesn't generate a free for all flag, it generates a contract that someone has to accept in order to shoot that person. It means that if I'm flying around with a bounty you don't have the right to shoot me until you accpt the bounty contract.
It means exactly what it says. Having a bounty on me does not alter your ability to attack me without CONCORD intervention. You would still need kill rights.
The change is that IF someone has kill rights on me, they could make those kill right public so others that want to kill me could buy those kill rights and use them. If no one has kill rights on me, because I've not attacked them, then there is no one to buy the kill rights from.
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Geligdio Khan
JD Mining Industry
37
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:08:00 -
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I don't think crimewatch or bounties are going to make any difference to the game.
Basically CCP has a choice, accept High Sec culture (as in living there for the whole time you play the game is completely legitimate) and let that suck the rest of the game dry.
Or balance risk and reward and make a gradient where people are keen to leave to seek greater riches.
Everything else is just window dressing. Thanks |

Dar Manic
Republic University Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:09:00 -
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Geligdio Khan wrote:
I don't think crimewatch or bounties are going to make any difference to the game.
Basically CCP has a choice, accept High Sec culture (as in living there for the whole time you play the game is completely legitimate) and let that suck the rest of the game dry.
Or balance risk and reward and make a gradient where people are keen to leave to seek greater riches.
Everything else is just window dressing.
So wrong.. but to each it's own.
To quote another, Eve is NOT about PVP. It's about the SANDBOX. :0 Adapt or die... I love it when people using that phrase are loudly advocating great changes in the game!-á It's not adapting if you are crying for change, it's called whining.-á :) |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
431
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:09:00 -
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NARDAC wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote: It grants a kill right to anyone that accepts the bounty, it doesn't grant a kill right to the person that places the bounty. Where are some of you getting the "it doesn't grant kill rights" line from? How the hell do you collect a bounty without a kill right?
From the dev blog. It talks about kill rights, but only the ability of someone that already has kill rights being able to transfer those kill rights to someone else. How do you collect without kill rights? Suicide gank. Natsett Amuinn wrote: I go into a belt, see a miner, place a bounty, immediately accept that bounty with my alt and blow up the miner.
And CONCORD comes and kills your alt, just as if you had killed them without accepting the bounty. So you're saying that if I put a bounty on you, I can't kill you?
How excatly does that work then?
The comment should only mean that the bounty system doesn't impact your flag state. It doesn't make you go from an invalid target to a legal target. In order shoot someone with a bounty, you have to accept the bounty contract first, which means you have to go to a bounty agent, and possibly the CQ and billboards.
Are you trying to say that you can't shoot people in high sec with a bounty on them? Because I'm pretty sure that's not right, seeing as they removed the need to pod; seeing as you can't pod anyone in high sec. |

Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
127
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:10:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:At least we will have something to do with the endless Tech ISK faucet the bears keep screaming about.
What Tech ISK faucet.
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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
431
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:12:00 -
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NARDAC wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote: It should only mean that someone has to ACCEPT THE BOUNTY.
A bounty doesn't generate a free for all flag, it generates a contract that someone has to accept in order to shoot that person. It means that if I'm flying around with a bounty you don't have the right to shoot me until you accpt the bounty contract.
It means exactly what it says. Having a bounty on me does not alter your ability to attack me without CONCORD intervention. You would still need kill rights. The change is that IF someone has kill rights on me, they could make those kill right public so others that want to kill me could buy those kill rights and use them. If no one has kill rights on me, because I've not attacked them, then there is no one to buy the kill rights from. That has nothing to do with the bounty system.
The bounty sytem doesn't rely on a kill right. You neither need a kill right to place it, or a kill right to accept it.
You HAVE to accpet a CONTRACT to shoot the person. I have to go to an agent, select a bounty contract, and then hunt you down.
You can't hide in high sec with a bounty so that no one can shoot you, if you could the bounty system woudln't work and would be as pointless as the current one, as everyone with a bounty would just park that person in high sec so that no one can shoot them. |

Hypercake Mix
Magical Rainbow Bakery
63
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:13:00 -
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Maybe. Maybe not.
But it's going to be interesting to see people getting creative with it. |

Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries
329
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:14:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Are you trying to say that you can't shoot people in high sec with a bounty on them? Because I'm pretty sure that's not right, seeing as they removed the need to pod; seeing as you can't pod anyone in high sec.
You can shoot anyone you want but if they're not a legal target, you will be concorded. Having a bounty doesn't make a player a legal target, neither does accepting a bounty to kill them. |

Dar Manic
Republic University Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:15:00 -
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@Natsett Amuinn
That's what the bullet point says. You can't shoot people with a bounty just because they have the bounty.. accept the bounty or not, doesn't change anything. If that is not the intent, they need to change the wording quickly.
Is that stupid? Not going to argue that point. I'm merely trying to point out what it says and what it means to an english speaking person (no offense intended to anyone who is not native english speaker!!). Adapt or die... I love it when people using that phrase are loudly advocating great changes in the game!-á It's not adapting if you are crying for change, it's called whining.-á :) |

Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
216
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:17:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Too bad that tech isn't an ISK faucet
Are you sure?
We are talking about 1 trillion isk / month / moon. |

NARDAC
Newb U
12
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:17:00 -
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Geligdio Khan wrote:
Basically CCP has a choice, accept High Sec culture (as in living there for the whole time you play the game is completely legitimate) and let that suck the rest of the game dry.
Please explain to me how people living in high sec sucks the rest of the game dry.
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Robert De'Arneth
245
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:19:00 -
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Seems some people need to go and read the dev blogs, because they have no idea what the hell they are talking about. I kid you not, a player in this game said he hates other players because they do not like his view of the game. |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
431
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:21:00 -
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Dar Manic wrote:@Natsett Amuinn
That's what the bullet point says. You can't shoot people with a bounty just because they have the bounty.. accept the bounty or not, doesn't change anything. If that is not the intent, they need to change the wording quickly.
Is that stupid? Not going to argue that point. I'm merely trying to point out what it says and what it means to an english speaking person (no offense intended to anyone who is not native english speaker!!). I'm going to start a thread and see if we can get some clarification on that line.
I'm pretty sure it's only there to indicate that it doesn't generate a FFA flag that would allow everyone to just shoot someone with a bounty legally. |

KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
1012
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:22:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Tippia wrote:Too bad that tech isn't an ISK faucet Are you sure? We are talking about 1 trillion isk / month / moon. Well this was fairly inevitable. www.minerbumping.com - because your tears are delicious |

Oaiso
2
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:22:00 -
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Did you ever stop to ask yourself
"Would CCP really turn highsec into lowsec where I can just go around killing everyone with minimal consequences?"
You should have, before you went on this whimsical flight of fancy and then took it as reality. |

Dar Manic
Republic University Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:22:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Dar Manic wrote:@Natsett Amuinn
That's what the bullet point says. You can't shoot people with a bounty just because they have the bounty.. accept the bounty or not, doesn't change anything. If that is not the intent, they need to change the wording quickly.
Is that stupid? Not going to argue that point. I'm merely trying to point out what it says and what it means to an english speaking person (no offense intended to anyone who is not native english speaker!!). I'm going to start a thread and see if we can get some clarification on that line. I'm pretty sure it's only there to indicate that it doesn't generate a FFA flag that would allow everyone to just shoot someone with a bounty legally.
I agree 100%. Clarification is definitely need from CCP/Devs. Adapt or die... I love it when people using that phrase are loudly advocating great changes in the game!-á It's not adapting if you are crying for change, it's called whining.-á :) |

NARDAC
Newb U
12
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:24:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Tippia wrote:Too bad that tech isn't an ISK faucet Are you sure? We are talking about 1 trillion isk / month / moon.
But that does not add ISK to the game, it just transfers it from one player to another.
ISK faucets add ISK where ISK did not exist before. Bounties is he major ISK faucet, injecting new ISK where none existed before. Skill books, BPOs, loyalty points stores, rents, market taxes... these are ISK sinks, taking ISK from a player and putting in no where.
Players buying stuff from other players is neither an ISK sink or an ISK faucet.
In real world application, we say that we "make" money by trading our goods are services for the money. In fact, we "earn" money in exchange for our goods and services, but really are just transferring it from one person to another. In the current, fiat money economy, money is created when it is borrowed into existence, which creates offsetting debt. Money is destroyed when the debt is repaid or defaults and is written off as non-collectable.
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Robert De'Arneth
245
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:24:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Dar Manic wrote:@Natsett Amuinn
That's what the bullet point says. You can't shoot people with a bounty just because they have the bounty.. accept the bounty or not, doesn't change anything. If that is not the intent, they need to change the wording quickly.
Is that stupid? Not going to argue that point. I'm merely trying to point out what it says and what it means to an english speaking person (no offense intended to anyone who is not native english speaker!!). I'm going to start a thread and see if we can get some clarification on that line. I'm pretty sure it's only there to indicate that it doesn't generate a FFA flag that would allow everyone to just shoot someone with a bounty legally.
None needed, you are wrong and you should take your advice and go read the dev blog. I kid you not, a player in this game said he hates other players because they do not like his view of the game. |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
431
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:25:00 -
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Robert De'Arneth wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:Dar Manic wrote:@Natsett Amuinn
That's what the bullet point says. You can't shoot people with a bounty just because they have the bounty.. accept the bounty or not, doesn't change anything. If that is not the intent, they need to change the wording quickly.
Is that stupid? Not going to argue that point. I'm merely trying to point out what it says and what it means to an english speaking person (no offense intended to anyone who is not native english speaker!!). I'm going to start a thread and see if we can get some clarification on that line. I'm pretty sure it's only there to indicate that it doesn't generate a FFA flag that would allow everyone to just shoot someone with a bounty legally. None needed, you are wrong and you should take your advice and go read the dev blog. There's no need to be an Ahole, I'm not being a **** to you; no need to be a **** to me.
I've read the blog, several times, and I do not think that line means what some pople think it means. |

Oaiso
2
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:29:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote: There's no need to be an Ahole, I'm not being a **** to you; no need to be a **** to me.
I've read the blog, several times, and I do not think that line means what some pople think it means.
Right, you think that you can pay 100,000 ISK to legally kill whoever you want in highsec.
That's perfectly sane and rationalal and demonstrates solid reading comprehension.
>not an 'ahole' >goon with a hardon over ganking miners
Pick one. |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
431
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:31:00 -
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Oaiso wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote: There's no need to be an Ahole, I'm not being a **** to you; no need to be a **** to me.
I've read the blog, several times, and I do not think that line means what some pople think it means.
Right, you think that you can pay 100,000 ISK to legally kill whoever you want in highsec. That's perfectly sane and rationalal and demonstrates solid reading comprehension. >not an 'ahole' >goon with a hardon over ganking miners Pick one.
Once again, I DO NOT PVP. I don't care about ganking anyone, and my opinions are my own not generated the moment I joined any corp.
Let's act like adults, shall we. |

Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries
330
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:32:00 -
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Oaiso wrote:goon with a hardon over ganking miners He doesn't PvP.
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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
435
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:55:00 -
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I'm going to have to agree with the persons that said the bounty sytem will have no impact on anything, now.
It'll be used the same way the current one is used, for bragging rights. People will just put bounties on their high sec alts who will never get the bounty collected. |

Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
351
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Posted - 2012.11.01 20:07:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:I'm going to have to agree with the persons that said the bounty sytem will have no impact on anything, now.
It'll be used the same way the current one is used, for bragging rights. People will just put bounties on their high sec alts who will never get the bounty collected. It all depends. If that highsec alt is flying a pirate BS that's a guaranteed 150-200mill return not counting actual drops and given the prevalence of faction and deadspace fitting the remainder is much more easily made up in drops. I personally can't say if that is really a significant incentive since I'm not sure of the level of investment needed for a successful gank nor how/if/when that will change under the new system. |

Robert De'Arneth
246
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Posted - 2012.11.01 20:13:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:I'm going to have to agree with the persons that said the bounty sytem will have no impact on anything, now.
It'll be used the same way the current one is used, for bragging rights. People will just put bounties on their high sec alts who will never get the bounty collected.
You also have to factor in low sec, In low sec the bounties will be easier to collect, now despite me being a high sec care bear, at least that is what i was told, I have several mining ops in low sec, down there I will be a tad nervous now, and will have to be more aware of everyone, not just the - sec people. It may in the end ammount to little change we will have to wait and see. I think this will be good for low sec. Also who does not want a bounty on them? I kid you not, a player in this game said he hates other players because they do not like his view of the game. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10219
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Posted - 2012.11.01 20:25:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:I'm going to have to agree with the persons that said the bounty sytem will have no impact on anything, now.
It'll be used the same way the current one is used, for bragging rights. People will just put bounties on their high sec alts who will never get the bounty collected. It'll have an impact. People with sufficiently high bounties flying sufficiently expensive ships will be shot. They will either have to take the losses or adjust their flying habits to fly something that doesn't pay for itself if you attack it.
It looks like you're reading far too much into what's been said. The difference with the new bounty system is simple: it adjust when and how much bounties pay out. That is all. The GÇ£whenGÇ¥ part means that they will have a bigger effect since it's easier to actually trigger to pay-out. The GÇ£how muchGÇ¥ part means that they will have a bigger effect since you can't make money by shedding your own bounty yourself.
None of it has anything to do with CrimeWatch or flagging. It has nothing to do with contracts. It's just something you get if you break stuff. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
437
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Posted - 2012.11.01 20:33:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:I'm going to have to agree with the persons that said the bounty sytem will have no impact on anything, now.
It'll be used the same way the current one is used, for bragging rights. People will just put bounties on their high sec alts who will never get the bounty collected. It'll have an impact. People with sufficiently high bounties flying sufficiently expensive ships will be shot. They will either have to take the losses or adjust their flying habits to fly something that doesn't pay for itself if you attack it. It looks like you're reading far too much into what's been said. The difference with the new bounty system is simple: it adjust when and how much bounties pay out. That is all. The GÇ£whenGÇ¥ part means that they will have a bigger effect since it's easier to actually trigger to pay-out. The GÇ£how muchGÇ¥ part means that they will have a bigger effect since you can't make money by shedding your own bounty yourself. None of it has anything to do with CrimeWatch or flagging. It has nothing to do with contracts. It's just something you get if you break stuff. I'm seeing it as something that's designed to primarilly effect gankers in high sec.
Do people care in low and nulla bout bounties, I haven't come across anyone that cares .
I don't know, we'll see. I was just hoping this would be a way for people to actually impact high sec industry which is impacting markets all over EVE, to the point of stifling them.
I guess one can hope that corps will put out trililions of isk in bounties to effect enough miners. Meh, now I'm feeling more pessimistic than I like. |

Robert De'Arneth
248
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Posted - 2012.11.01 20:36:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Tippia wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:I'm going to have to agree with the persons that said the bounty sytem will have no impact on anything, now.
It'll be used the same way the current one is used, for bragging rights. People will just put bounties on their high sec alts who will never get the bounty collected. It'll have an impact. People with sufficiently high bounties flying sufficiently expensive ships will be shot. They will either have to take the losses or adjust their flying habits to fly something that doesn't pay for itself if you attack it. It looks like you're reading far too much into what's been said. The difference with the new bounty system is simple: it adjust when and how much bounties pay out. That is all. The GÇ£whenGÇ¥ part means that they will have a bigger effect since it's easier to actually trigger to pay-out. The GÇ£how muchGÇ¥ part means that they will have a bigger effect since you can't make money by shedding your own bounty yourself. None of it has anything to do with CrimeWatch or flagging. It has nothing to do with contracts. It's just something you get if you break stuff. I'm seeing it as something that's designed to primarilly effect gankers in high sec. Do people care in low and nulla bout bounties, I haven't come across anyone that cares . I don't know, we'll see. I was just hoping this would be a way for people to actually impact high sec industry which is impacting markets all over EVE, to the point of stifling them. I guess one can hope that corps will put out trililions of isk in bounties to effect enough miners. Meh, now I'm feeling more pessimistic than I like.
If the bounty gets high enough, people will hit you have no fear of that. They would lose to many people if they allowed a free for all, just the way it is.
I kid you not, a player in this game said he hates other players because they do not like his view of the game. |
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