How can so many people be posting in a thread about the new bounty system without anyone in here understanding how the new system works? Go read the damn Devblog people.

"Bounties have no effect on who can be attacked legally where."

Concord is still effect then??? :)

"Bounties have no effect on who can be attacked legally where."

Concord is still effect then??? :)

You can have kill rights purchased on an individual that lasts for about 15 minutes and cost...either 1mil or 10mil..i don't remember.

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You've misunderstood how the new system will work. Read the devblog on how it will work. You wont be able to have a friend just collect the bounty, not without you loosing large amounts of ISK and valuable spaceships.

I am not certain what CCP counts as an inactive account or not.

No, you heard wrong.

a) Its not an isk sink. It comes back
b) Anyone can clear any bounty on themselves by suspending their account for 6 months. If you choose to do this, be sure to enter "To clear an undesired bounty" on the form CCP gives you when you suspend your account.

"Bounties have no effect on who can be attacked legally where."

It appears you don't put bounties on someone you want to grief and then your friends can kill them in hi-sec. This indicates you don't gain the right to legally attack in hi-sec just because of the bounty. :)

But, if I figure that the bounty is large enough to make it worth people killing me, and I assume the loss will happen eventually, I may as well get it out of the way.

You put a 100 million ISK bounty on me (and why would you?). Okay, I figure people will be looking for me to kill me. So, I go ahead and lose the 500 million ISK worth of ships to a friend, so at least he gets the 100 million... and the loot and salvage.

Heck, do it in a T2 ship, and there is a chance the T2 salvage pays for the loss anyway.

Fewer exploits, maybe, but exploits none the less.

But, if I figure that the bounty is large enough to make it worth people killing me, and I assume the loss will happen eventually, I may as well get it out of the way.

You put a 100 million ISK bounty on me (and why would you?). Okay, I figure people will be looking for me to kill me. So, I go ahead and lose the 500 million ISK worth of ships to a friend, so at least he gets the 100 million... and the loot and salvage.

Heck, do it in a T2 ship, and there is a chance the T2 salvage pays for the loss anyway.

Fewer exploits, maybe, but exploits none the less.

I will put 100 mil bounty on you just to see you take the cowards way out and let your friend blow up 500 mil worth of your ships. Still win for me.

Perhaps the bounty system will have the complete opposite affect?

Seems to me that miners would love to have those bumping stabbers blown to bits.

If griefing miners starts to become something that can earn you a bounty, perhaps it will thin the miner hater herd?

I think it's possible that the new bounty system could be the saviour of EvE.

The two main complaints about high-sec right now are;
1. Suicide ganking isn't profitable enough for the effort.
2. High-sec players get too much isk for too little reward.

A further complaint is that the game has too few ISK sinks.

With the new bounty system, we will be able to place bounties of any amount on anyone, for any reason. We can force people to participate in PvP even if they pretend they don't want to. We can make ganking profitable. Even if the profits will be small (20m bounty from a Mackinaw according to Petrus Blackshell in this thread https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2067812#post2067812 ), it might be worth it just for the tears, plus loot and salvage.

Essentially, for every 20m ISK bounty you place on a miner, that miner will lose 200m isk when he is ganked. This makes it seem like high-sec mining is going to become quite a risky business and result in a lot of carebears losing a lot of ISK to gankers who just want to see them QQ.

So where does the ISK sink part come in? Well, the bounty system itself is an ISK sink. As people keep piling bounties on the miners, the bounties get higher and higher. A miner with a 200m bounty is good for 10 ganks, and what happens when a carebear miner is ganked too many times? He quits EvE, taking his bounty with him.

Every time a carebear quits EvE, they are removing ISK from the economy, thus creating the ISK sink the game needs.

It seems to me that with the new bounty system, we can save EvE by forcing players to quit with relentless ganking. The higher the bounties, the more likely they are to quit and remove those high bounties from the economy when they do.

This is why I think the new bounty system, with the proper player initiative, could save EvE. Alternatively, it could also lead to the fiery death of EvE.

That's not an exploit. That's one fool deciding to loose 400m for no good reason.

How do you figure?

You lose the 100 million. I lose some subset of the 500 million that is not recouped by the 100M payout, drops and salvage.

How is that a win for you?

How exactly is griefing players until they unsub going to "save" EVE?

"Herpdy doo, hmm 100m ISK laying around. Should I buy a ship for PVP? No, I think I'll indirectly grief this industrialist."

Because you are still losing isk...

And I am disrupting your safety net so much that you would blow up 500 mil worth of ships to feel "safe". All I lose is 100 mil. I'm gonna get so many people to put bounties on your head now it is going to be hilarious as you blow up a few bil worth of ships to feel "safe" again.

blah, blah get everyone to put a bounty on you blah

How exactly is griefing players until they unsub going to "save" EVE?