If you apply for a job in real life that requires you to be security cleared, they may run a credit check on you anyway.

They're not that invasive. At least they didn't ask for proof of residency.

I applied to a well known Corp/Alliance on my main, and sent their recruiter my API key. I unchecked everything that gave info on how much isk I have and my transactions. They turned down my app because of it.

Yes I understand this is just a game, but my irritation due to this level of invasiveness comes from RL; my Employer didn't even ask me how much money I have and request an account of every transaction I've had that year. I don't like people knowing that sort of info about me. It's none of your business what I buy and how much money I have.

They claimed it was to ensure I wasn't being funded by a main for "Awoxing" or w/e....w/e that means.

WTF dude??? W/e happened to just sending an app to a guild/alliance/whatever, maybe doing a short interview then joining up with some cool folks and shooting stuff???

What the hell with this invasiveness/red tape; join such and such forum and wait 3 months, sit around for hours waiting for an interview, etc??

I understand there's a need to prevent spying but really? I mean if I were a spy, I would be MORE than willing to give you whatever you ask for; whatever it takes to get in. Especially since I'm probably an exp player so I already pretty much know what you'll consider a red flag.

Damn man, it just seems like EVERYTHING in this game is so friggin complicated...I just want to have some fun man, s**t....

Is that what you call noob friendly?

Cuz bad players still think the API will do something to prevent spys.

Is that what you call noob friendly?

Sure it wont stop a GOOD spy but it weeds out the lazy ones, nothing will ever truly stop any spy joining but there are some corps who want to do basic levels of security.
If you're not happy joining a corp who can see your API then find one that doesn't do security checks, just don't complain if that corp has a smash and grab at some point and loses a bunch of stuff.

Why would you be worried about a bad spy?

What corp gives members the ability to do a smash and grab besides noob corps?

You're proving some other poster's point.

I guarantee you, you're alienating 100% more players than effective spies. But it's worse than that it's giving you a false sense of security. If it isn't giving you a false sense of security than why are you even doing it?

And the sort of player who can't be assed to provide an API is not likely to be one who will contribute much to a corporation in the first place.

Why would you be worried about a bad spy?

What corp gives members the ability to do a smash and grab besides noob corps?

I guarantee you, you're alienating 100% more players than effective spies.

I gave it a few seconds of thought and I reckon transaction history would be the best way to identify if a character is an alt, who they hang out with, the names of any alts the character has and if the character just so happens to have the bhaalgorn that just went missing yesterday

Yeah I'm pretty clever I know I know

Also re. the assertion 'nothing can prevent a good spy', I imagine a basic check prevents bad spies that could still have taken your stuff if you hadn't made a check

What's the problem with showing your wallet history anyway, do you spend most of your isk on spacesmut?

Because there are certain game mechanics currently that force you to give them the ability if you want them to have any use whatsoever. (Ship maintenance arrays, canceling industry jobs, corp bookmarks - just to name a few.) And I'm not even talking about sharing intel.



I am fine with that. As I wrote above, I'd rather alienate 10 great players, than to let in one bad apple. If you recruit enough people with a strict recruiting policy as it is, why would you want to loosen it and open up to more threats?

With the old API Keys, most corporations simply asked for the Limited API, which i think most people were fine with. Very few asked for full API's and most refused it.

Since the new API system came out, thats all changed and corps feel welcome to their member's "full" API's.

The new custom API system should make it more clear which of these options used to be part of the 'limited' and 'full' api keys, so that corps dont feel as entitled to all your information.

I view "noob friendly" as being friendly to noobs in EVE. The goons kill 2 week old characters in retrievers. What you're calling noob friendly I just call neckbearded snobbery.

If you're giving random players roles who you don't know you're going to get burned eventually anyway. Try talking to people on TS3 or something before doing that, you don't need to force him to turn around and spread his butt cheeks before hand.

That's not true, corps were demanding for full API before the custom API's it was practically a cause of the change.

I just want to have some fun man, s**t....

It is true. I never gave up my full API key ever. Not to TEST alliance, not to IT, not to anyone no matter how big or small they were. they never asked for it and i never would have given it to them.

Now, the keys have changed and removed any sign of 'limited or full' keys. its just a single key with permissions you've chosen to hide for some mysterious spy-like reason and sov we cant trust you unless you give us every bit of information, because you're now choosing to selectively hold back that information. We're all paranoid, and this change has rubbed on that paranoia

That's exactly the point. A person who passes through our recruitment is no longer "a random player". That's what the recruitment should assure.

Did you read my previous posts?

Not furbishing API screams "I don't trust you and / or I am doing some sketchy **** I don't want you to know about." Not someone a corp would jump at the opportunity to recruit.

It is true. I never gave up my full API key ever. Not to TEST alliance, not to IT, not to anyone no matter how big or small they were. they never asked for it and i never would have given it to them.

Now, the keys have changed and removed any sign of 'limited or full' keys. its just a single key with permissions you've chosen to hide for some mysterious spy-like reason and sov we cant trust you unless you give us every bit of information, because you're now choosing to selectively hold back that information. We're all paranoid, and this change has rubbed on that paranoia

My corporation always demanded full API, and we still do demand full API (as in, all boxes checked). Every member of my corp (myself included obviously) gave their full API to a recruiter and through them made it available to the CEO and all directors, and all of them were completely fine with it.

I can't change how you view it, but people are telling you they're uncomfortable with it. The threshold for for privacy is different for people. On that note, the threshold for being an invasive prick is different for others.

Thats just wrong. There are security problems with giving you the full API. Such as evemails. I have evemails from old alliances. I have evemails with my friend's corp's killboard passwords and hosting database passwords because i manage his hosting for him.

Now i need to turn all of that over to you in order to be recruited? **** you bro.

People who are uncomfortable with it are completely free to join a corporation which does not demand it. The original question was "why do some corps ask for an API", and we're trying to give the reasons. If these reasons are not enough for you, once again, you're free to go look elsewhere.

Well, if you have nothing to hide then you have no problem checking all boxes. That simple