Good points in this.

Perhaps the corp managment rework we're expecting (and been praying for) will alleviate much of the neccessity for so much "security"...

Imagine if Novell security in the "old days" was as bad as corp management is today. You'd have to do a police check and sign an NDA to get access to a computer and the documents on it to do your work.

A big red flag out of transaction history is getting large amounts of funds from other characters. It usually means you're an alt or an RMTer.

Both things are people you wanna reject unless of course the fact that you are an alt is put up front with something along the lines of "I'm an alt of an existing member" or "I'm a on a combat alt that is funded by my missioning main" and in both cases they want confirmation from the main character.

For the record, I REGULARLY transfer hundreds of millions of isk between alts for market activity or to buy blinkies. Your standard above would mean I'm a spai.

And it goes to show just how foolish that kind of standard is (and how the transaction history means precisely d!ck). If I'm going to set my heart on infiltration the way people here are talking about, I'd do it on a clean, brand new account, do all the tutorials, spend some time in FW losing ships, get into a couple throw-away corps of people that I've just met, and then started sniffing around the door.

Tell me exactly what having my API will show you about me and my intentions.

Let me answer for you: nothing.

Without context it would make you look spy-ish, but I said that UNLESS there was something up front like the alt being a known alt of the already trusted main.

Not to mention it allows people to connect other dots. There are 3rd party tools that allow people to see your chat history. By looking at all the activity of your character and sifting through chat history people can figure out a lot about who you really are.

You guys in a lot of ways are just proxy accounts

You have absolutely no privacy and you know if you even say something out of line, you're in trouble because they actively monitor your emails, your posts, even your chat history.

You really aren't individuals playing the game.

I see it pretty clearly now

0.0 the slavish hordes and the Free Peoples of High Sec with varying levels in-between.

"why dey so scared to give fullAPI??"

Some people don't want to RP as someone else's property.

Have you ever held a job or been in a position where you were privy to sensitive information? That's generally a lengthy legal process, in the case of a diplomat with top secret clearance, a multi-month one. And yes, they keep an eye on you.

EVE is extremely tame by comparison, and its preventing the same thing.

Continue to compare yourself to 007, nerd

Would you like a picture of the cover of my diplomatic passport?

I don't like it. I get enough of the damn government snooping around in our business, taxing me to death, etc.

Now I have to deal with a big brother in my hobby too?

Reading my mail messages, transactions, etc.

I really hope CCP stops this crap in the future. I damn near quit the game over it

There's a reason why corps are ripped off for billions. And I doubt very seriously that it's from toons that have spent years as part of "the team" (except in those sweet, rare circumstances of patient planning and scut work).

I gladly handed over full APIs to all may characters. I got nothing to hide.

Which makes me wonder...


Why are so many people afraid to give up a full API? You guys trying to keep secrets in your evemails? Are you a bunch of perverts or spies or perverted spies?

Sure

Sent.

The thing is you didn't receive any API info in return... It was a one way deal.

Some people aren't like you, I'm not saying it's bad to be like you. The world needs people like you, I respect your lack of dignity. Could you imagine if everyone in the world was an individual in possession of dignity and his own free will? It just wouldn't work. Your sheepish slavishness makes the world turn/

The thing is you didn't receive any API info in return... It was a one way deal.

It's really a very submissive thing that you're doing.

You're completely laying yourself bare in acquiescence to a 0.0 lord.

Some people aren't like you, I'm not saying it's bad to be like you. The world needs people like you, I respect your lack of dignity. Could you imagine if everyone in the world was an individual in possession of dignity and his own free will? It just wouldn't work. Your sheepish slavishness makes the world turn/

Some people simply have nothing to hide, and thus are giving up nothing.

At least I have the dignity to be open about my correspondences on homoerotic Eve fanfiction.

Oh but you do have so much to lose you just don't know it. Your ego is suffering beneath the surface. Soon you will be sacrificing your sexuality

You have absolutely no privacy and you know if you even say something out of line, you're in trouble because they actively monitor your emails, your posts, even your chat history.

You should see what happens on TEST fleets when hostiles refuse to come and play.

I'm still scarred by the dramatic reading of that homoerotic fanfiction involving Spock, Kirk, Picard, Sponge Bob and Harry Potter.

You understand that the API doesn't give access to chat history, right? Only I see my emails, and Goonswarm services don't have any API key of mine that grants access to my evemails. Also, being in the directorate, I don't know of anybody tasked with monitoring posts made by our members in every imaginable forum. If somebody posts something "out of line," we just mock them endlessly. v0v

Not to mention it allows people to connect other dots. There are 3rd party tools that allow people to see your chat history. By looking at all the activity of your character and sifting through chat history people can figure out a lot about who you really are.

BINGO.....

Game <> Fun

This is Eve.

That's great you're a director, it's really besides the point. But you should know mocking someone is a form of social coercion and through the application of things like this it's no surprise that most goons end up sounding/thinking the same. Especially after they've submitted so thoroughly to the group before hand by giving up their full API.

(edit: not to mention paying 10$ to join a forum)

Believe it or not, we don't indoctrinate our members.

Most of us in Goonswarm are adults and we can think for ourselves

But you should know mocking someone is a form of social coercion and through the application of things like this it's no surprise that most goons end up sounding/thinking the same. Especially after they've submitted so thoroughly to the group before hand by giving up their full API.