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Tenashi
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Posted - 2005.04.07 10:19:00 -
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u could have seen that the convoy at the 1st meeting point contained several faction battleships
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Trooper B99
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Posted - 2005.04.07 10:27:00 -
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Edited by: Trooper B99 on 07/04/2005 10:28:14
Look upon it as a learning experience.
From now on you'll . . .
. . . be a damn site more careful and read your mission descriptions before accepting the mission.
. . . insure your ships
. . . think before you fire. If something isn't aggro'ing you, then some of the time there is a reason for that.
. . . think twice before engaging a massive fleet of Battleships, cruisers and Interceptors without being ready to warp away if things start to look bad.
. . . use at max cruiser for lvl 2 missions instead of a battleship which, as everyone knows, is complete overkill.
Best advice: Go away, calm down, stop impuning CCP and the paid GM's about what was clearly your own fault. Live and learn laddie, live and LEARN.
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2005.04.07 10:39:00 -
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 Originally by: Brechan Skene
"The mission brief stated that I should not fire onto the first group of ships. This information has caused alot of confusion .The consequences is I have lost my Battle Ship"
So let me get this right, the mission brief said not to fire on the first group of ships and you did!! So why do you think you need a refund for something by your own admission you didnt follow.
If i bought 1 unit of trit from escrow for 100mil for not reading the description properly would i deserve a refund, or would i simply get flamed for being an idiot!
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Sarkos
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Posted - 2005.04.07 10:47:00 -
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*shakes his head sadly*
Surely, Darwinism at work.
Hint: BS's are not needed until level 4 missions. A cruiser is almost obverkill on many level 2 missions.
Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
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pardux
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Posted - 2005.04.07 10:53:00 -
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sabotage mission
read the mission description and bs is a overkill for lvl2 missions
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MacMillan
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Posted - 2005.04.07 10:57:00 -
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Had a loss myself recently which i petitioned as the loss's cercumstances (k i cant spell) were wierd to say the least. I petitioned and was told that the server logs didnt contain the info required for reimbursment. I thought "fair enough" but decided to give them every bit of info on what happened just in case they could solve the problem from happening again.
At this point i knew i was not going to get the ship back and was ok with that. It appeared from the further replies that there was little concern with what i had sent in regarding the bug and replies tended to revolve more around the reimbursment that i had already agreed to not get.
We all lose ships some our fault some server and some client. It seems that when its the client that is at fault they are not willing to look at it (by client i mean the eve software on the machine) Although a full description was sent though. I can take the loss of the raven and 200 mil of mods on the chin but would like to know that something would be done so that it wouldnt happen again.
A little off the original topic maybe but on the same subject 
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Roshan longshot
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Posted - 2005.04.07 10:58:00 -
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Ok from what I get out of this:
You attacked the people you were sent to aid?
Your a newbie in a battleship?
Your did not insure that battleship?
Your choice of weapons was cruiser class weapons?
Reading and comperhension are not your strong suits?
NOW....
How am I going to explain the coffe splattered all over my computer to the IT department....
"Well I was reading this game forum see...and this dude who really did not know what he was doing got his arse kicked....."
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MacMillan
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Posted - 2005.04.07 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: Roshan longshot
Ok from what I get out of this:
NOW....
How am I going to explain the coffe splattered all over my computer to the IT department....
"Well I was reading this game forum see...and this dude who really did not know what he was doing got his arse kicked....."
ROFL
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Boffin
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Posted - 2005.04.07 11:13:00 -
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Did you attack the friendlies at the beginning of the sabotaged mission and lose your ship,
OR
Did you read the mission brief and interpret that you should not return fire at the first "hostile" spawn that you get sent to after the initial meeting?
whichever it was, i believe it was your own mistake as you should have read the mission brief properly.
If it was the 2nd reason, please let us know for amusement purpose only, at what point you started getting concerned that your agent had double crossed you
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sariss
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Posted - 2005.04.07 11:14:00 -
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From my point of view there are two things to say:
1) Everybody knows this mission. This is the first case i ever heard of that someone shot the convoy escort. If you shoot them its clearly your fault. Theres absolutely no point why CCP should give you your ship back. You blame CCP for a mistake you have done. If you dont understand the game mechanics then do not take valuable ships in combat.
2) CCP is a excellent corporation. They care for the game and they care for the customers. If you doubt this then try another big MMORPG. See how customers are handled there.
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2005.04.07 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: MacMillan
Had a loss myself recently which i petitioned as the loss's cercumstances (k i cant spell) were wierd to say the least. I petitioned and was told that the server logs didnt contain the info required for reimbursment. I thought "fair enough" but decided to give them every bit of info on what happened just in case they could solve the problem from happening again.
At this point i knew i was not going to get the ship back and was ok with that. It appeared from the further replies that there was little concern with what i had sent in regarding the bug and replies tended to revolve more around the reimbursment that i had already agreed to not get.
We all lose ships some our fault some server and some client. It seems that when its the client that is at fault they are not willing to look at it (by client i mean the eve software on the machine) Although a full description was sent though. I can take the loss of the raven and 200 mil of mods on the chin but would like to know that something would be done so that it wouldnt happen again.
A little off the original topic maybe but on the same subject
Thats because anything you send in can have been altered somehow, the GMs can only trust their own logs. 
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Yeux Gris
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Posted - 2005.04.07 11:19:00 -
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Sounds alot like Sabotage to me...
That fleet is optional
And I lost a ship to the mission too.. Petitioned it as the only ships i attacked were the frigates with bounties. ended up getting ganked by all of them.
was nice of ccp to gove my ship back :)
And it was your dumb fault for underestimatig the ships. learn from it.
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Brechan Skene
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Posted - 2005.04.07 11:38:00 -
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To the nice flamers,
It so nice that not only have you not read the section that says if you cannot say anything positive go shove it were the sun does not shine, you also assume things that I did during the mission.
Its nice being able to see things from nothingand come to some conclusion from non-existance facts. At no stage did I fire upon the ships. I did not even use harsh language.Since you can read minds you might want to tell me the next LOTTO numbers as well, you tools. Here's the facts. The fleet went and attacked me. So if you are going to assume things about what I did or did not do, go and assume them somewhere else.
 I clearly acknowledge to the happy flamers that if I had fired on them and had the same result it would definitely be my fault and I would definitely deserve it( especially since I had no insurance)and you would not have even known about this incident. For the reason that I used a BS in lvl 2 missions. I rarely ever did the missions in the first place. I was only going through the motion to get to at least lvl 3 mission. The problem I have is that the scenario did not go as it was stated in the mission briefings. If that was a bug I do not know.
TO REPEAT I DID NOT INITIATE WEAPON FIRE ON THE SABOTAGE MISSION. SO DO NOT ASSUME THAT I DID.
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Yeux Gris
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Posted - 2005.04.07 11:47:00 -
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dood.. I can fly through the fleet and not get attacked. I know this mission inside out :)
U must have done something to set them off.
next time do it from far away! like 100km as the 3 bs's will kick your ass while the 8 frigates warp and scramble you and the 5 cruisers annoy the **** out of you.
Who let the cows out?! mOo. mOo. mOo.. mOo mOo...!
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2005.04.07 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Brechan Skene
TO REPEAT I DID NOT INITIATE WEAPON FIRE ON THE SABOTAGE MISSION. SO DO NOT ASSUME THAT I DID.
hmm then it sounds like a bug to me and hence a refund should be given, i can also understand your annoyance but really discussing mod actions on the forums isnt allowed.
I wish you well in getting a new ship but i guess these things happen and if they did agress you then there should be a log of it on the server.
I guess it would help to know exactly what you did in your mission, was it a case of turning up and getting blasted or did you accidently fire on something you wernt supposed to?
I know you said you didnt but in the heat of battle something could happen.
Anyway really you need to talk to the Devs about this not flame the forums cos things didnt go your way, if you think you have been treated unfarely then email the devs or something...
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Stacy Stain
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Posted - 2005.04.07 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Brechan Skene
To the nice flamers,
It so nice that not only have you not read the section that says if you cannot say anything positive go shove it were the sun does not shine, you also assume things that I did during the mission.
Its nice being able to see things from nothingand come to some conclusion from non-existance facts. At no stage did I fire upon the ships. I did not even use harsh language.Since you can read minds you might want to tell me the next LOTTO numbers as well, you tools. Here's the facts. The fleet went and attacked me. So if you are going to assume things about what I did or did not do, go and assume them somewhere else.
I clearly acknowledge to the happy flamers that if I had fired on them and had the same result it would definitely be my fault and I would definitely deserve it( especially since I had no insurance)and you would not have even known about this incident. For the reason that I used a BS in lvl 2 missions. I rarely ever did the missions in the first place. I was only going through the motion to get to at least lvl 3 mission. The problem I have is that the scenario did not go as it was stated in the mission briefings. If that was a bug I do not know.
TO REPEAT I DID NOT INITIATE WEAPON FIRE ON THE SABOTAGE MISSION. SO DO NOT ASSUME THAT I DID.
You probably attacked the convoy.
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Ryy Kishin
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Posted - 2005.04.07 11:52:00 -
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(The directions lead me into a situation which placed my ship in danger.)
Stay docked if you dont want to put your ship in danger.
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Stroke
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Posted - 2005.04.07 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: Lygos
This is a game of Corporate conflict. Were you really surprised that you got screwed by the fine print?
This is one of the best lines i've read in awhile.
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Steven Dynahir
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Posted - 2005.04.07 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Yeux Gris
Sounds alot like Sabotage to me...
That fleet is optional
And I lost a ship to the mission too.. Petitioned it as the only ships i attacked were the frigates with bounties. ended up getting ganked by all of them.
was nice of ccp to gove my ship back :)
And it was your dumb fault for underestimatig the ships. learn from it.
So you got your ship back. Good for you. What if he did have same situation as you did?
Definately he should not get his ship back, since this would be unfair towards you. Come to think of it, you got that ship already, so there is none available to be given to him.
Now there!
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Matthew
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Posted - 2005.04.07 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: MacMillan
At this point i knew i was not going to get the ship back and was ok with that. It appeared from the further replies that there was little concern with what i had sent in regarding the bug and replies tended to revolve more around the reimbursment that i had already agreed to not get.
That's because the GM's do not handle bug reports. If you wanted to file it as a bug report, you should have submitted it as a bug report, not a petition.
Originally by: MacMillan
We all lose ships some our fault some server and some client. It seems that when its the client that is at fault they are not willing to look at it (by client i mean the eve software on the machine) Although a full description was sent though.
The problem is that if it was the client at fault, the server won't know about it, and the GM's only know what the server knows. Pretty much any evidence you could send to the GM (chatlogs, screenshots etc) can all be faked, so the GM's cannot trust any such submissions when deciding on claims.
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Monty Burns
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Posted - 2005.04.07 12:39:00 -
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I have to say this mission does suck. You get clearly warned not to attack the first convoy, so I didnt. Got a mission update that said attack stuff so, I looked briefly at the targets list and ALL "+" were cruiser or frigate level .... easy 
NOT!
Got spanked. Some of those medium sized (cruiser) "+" signs are actually BS's. Why do they not show up as the larger thicker plus signs??????!!!!!!
Yes. It was my fault. I engaged without checking the targets in detail but, as there are so many of them and this is a level 2 mission ... well ... my mistake. TBH, i find missions so mind numbingly boring that the boredom also probably contributed but hey, its taught me to hate missions even more I don't know how you mission runners cope.
And tbh, if you aint got anything constructive to say don't say anything. Insulting people's intelligence isn't very nice and often the only recourse of people with nothing worth adding. Yeah the original post was not put the best way but well we aint all perfect!
Be lucky!
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Phearlene
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Posted - 2005.04.07 12:45:00 -
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Rule #1.. if it ain't tagged with a red "+" DON'T fire on it!!
Rule #2 .. if you DO fire on a non hostile expect a Concord proctology Exam.. and they will NOT be gentle.
Rule #3 .. if firing on a specifically stated NON agression target (and that mission says don't fire unless you are PREPARED to take on the friendly spawn) you're as mad as a March Hare if you expect CCP to give your ship back. They won't give a ship even to legitamate bugs .. and terminal daftness is NOT considered a bug.
Rule #4 . I.T.B.L!! 
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Typherin laidai
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Posted - 2005.04.07 12:59:00 -
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hehe I still think this thread is hilarious 
To the original poster...
Cry me a river
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Talland
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Posted - 2005.04.07 13:10:00 -
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This is a feature not a bug. This mission is Eve's version of the Darwin Awards and it seems that natural selection is working just fine !
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dmaul raven
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Posted - 2005.04.07 13:13:00 -
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Lol, i did this stage for a lvl 3 agent in a SHUTTLE. I just warped 60km from the convoy and got three bookmarks. I went back to station, took my fighter and followed the BM¦s.
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ErrorS
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Posted - 2005.04.07 13:16:00 -
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some of you are funny.. "HAHAHAHAH URE AN IIDIOT!!!!!!11"
yet you had trouble even reading through his post? He said he didn't attack the convoy, CLEARLY it wasn't his fault. Someone else came into the thread and even posted "blhablah stupid.. i did the same thing and ccp replaced my ship!! but ure stupid!"
something else I wanna ask about.. you guys actually insure ships? I've been playing for nearly a year and a half, I use to insure ships.. but now I don't. I honestly consider insurance something to help a newb with the loss of a ship, not something everyone should have.
The only time I would carry insurance is if I was at war in empire.
serious question, do you guys insure your shuttles when you buy them?
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Demangel
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Posted - 2005.04.07 13:25:00 -
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Edited by: Demangel on 07/04/2005 13:29:13
Haha I know exactly the mission he's talking about, it is indeed level two, and if you made the mistake he probably made, nobody here could say they could walk away from it solo without a popped ship.
BUT In big bold red text near the bottom of the conversation AND in the extra details it clearly says something to the effect of:
"You are not under any circumstances intended to attack the ships in the first encounter group."
(edited)
Ok so he says he didn't shoot first, maybe he webbed? if all he did was warp in... Then it sounds like a bug to me too...
But IMHO if the logs don't show it as he said it happened... whats he expect? Hell I could go in right now and say "uhm, yeah I lost 3 BS's and about 200 million in implants and uhm... yeah I never shot one shot!"
And I'd expect refunds all over the place.
Galaxion > If you drove a car shaped like a thorax women would call you
Demangel > Dude... I would call..
Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet.
Galaxion > Just a bit.
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MacMillan
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Posted - 2005.04.07 13:36:00 -
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Thats because anything you send in can have been altered somehow, the GMs can only trust their own logs.
I understand that and am not bothered about the returning my ship to me. My "gripe" is with the lack of interest in the possible bug.
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Demangel
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Posted - 2005.04.07 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: ErrorS
some of you are funny.. "HAHAHAHAH URE AN IIDIOT!!!!!!11"
yet you had trouble even reading through his post? He said he didn't attack the convoy, CLEARLY it wasn't his fault. Someone else came into the thread and even posted "blhablah stupid.. i did the same thing and ccp replaced my ship!! but ure stupid!"
something else I wanna ask about.. you guys actually insure ships? I've been playing for nearly a year and a half, I use to insure ships.. but now I don't. I honestly consider insurance something to help a newb with the loss of a ship, not something everyone should have.
The only time I would carry insurance is if I was at war in empire.
serious question, do you guys insure your shuttles when you buy them?
Ok question for YOU, are you really so trusting as to think he is nescessarily telling the truth? Sure maybe we are bing a bit harsh on him, but wow...
your insurance argument however is pretty silly, and kind of killed all my sympathy in general.
Galaxion > If you drove a car shaped like a thorax women would call you
Demangel > Dude... I would call..
Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet.
Galaxion > Just a bit.
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Demangel
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Posted - 2005.04.07 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: MacMillan
Thats because anything you send in can have been altered somehow, the GMs can only trust their own logs.
I understand that and am not bothered about the returning my ship to me. My "gripe" is with the lack of interest in the possible bug.
If thats your only real "gripe" then I retract all hostile or unsympathetic statements I made about or in regards to you. Send in that bug report and hope they look into it.
But in that event keep in mind mission bugs can be a pain to track down... for all they know it's something in the NPC scripts/AI, something somehow caused by lag, or maybe even a GUI issue that activated something without your knowledge?
Plus there Is the off chance you made the error somewhere, they have to consider that... and if there arn't enough reports like yours being filed, I wouldn't blame em only for giving this issue a passing concern. Considering how much ELSE CCP has to work on LOL
Anyway...
I wish you luck getting this potential bug eradicated, and I'm sorry for your loss. *bows*
Galaxion > If you drove a car shaped like a thorax women would call you
Demangel > Dude... I would call..
Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet.
Galaxion > Just a bit.
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