Goons = terrorists?

Minmatar- Is about Black People. The enslavement of the negro-race and the continued hardships and crime that occur in majority of the life of Black People after the emanicipation of slavery. They have a high adversion to the Southern Religious Fanatics who have over the years oppressed them.

Those groups exist around the world, not just your country.



Except the whitest people in the game are also Minmatar.

And the rest of New Eden is The Great Satan.

America is the country that has ALL of these groups in one big fat place.

Canada, Britain, and probably other places i can't think of are just as diverse if not moreso.

Look at it, each race represents an aspect of American Society.

Gallenteans - Freedom, Liberty, and Patriotism, but have a history of doing less than ideal things to achieve what is in their best interest.

Caldari - Greedy Corporatocracy and their control over Media and Politics. Just like the Real World, Money Talks in New Eden.
War and Conflict is in interest to those seeking to profit from it.

Amarrians - Fanatic Religious Fundamentalists who in history have been slave owners. The Bible Belt in America are heavily religious and in the past were slave owners before getting their ass handed to them in the Civil War.


Minmatar- Is about Black People. The enslavement of the negro-race and the continued hardships and crime that occur in majority of the life of Black People after the emanicipation of slavery. They have a high adversion to the Southern Religious Fanatics who have over the years oppressed them.

Honestly!?! Man, I'm American and even I want to reach through the internet and punch your egocentic face right now. You're making us look bad. Shut up...read books...then newspapers...then come back & still don't post.

Edit: sorry. But for **** sake, run this sorta crap by a friend first or something. CCP is in Europe

USA ... freedom .... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

No worry mate, you guys over there make yourself look so bad already, he can't top that.

Without america you would be speaking Russian and starving under communism my friend.

But that's besides the point I'm talking about how each aspect of race is very related to how America is.

Without america you would be speaking Russian and starving under communism my friend.

But that's besides the point I'm talking about how each aspect of race is very related to how America is.

Without america you would be speaking Russian and starving under communism my friend.

But that's besides the point I'm talking about how each aspect of race is very related to how America is.

No worry mate, you guys over there make yourself look so bad already, he can't top that.

Without america you would be speaking Russian and starving under communism my friend.

But that's besides the point I'm talking about how each aspect of race is very related to how America is.

I know that most of the EU is enormous on America hating right now, but you guys would make yourselves look a lot smarter by trying to understand how complex and diverse we really are in the US. There's a huge portion of our population, myself included, that hate and have always hated from the founding of our country, the imperialism, predatory capitalism and ignorance that the rest of the world pins on us (Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin fall squarely in this category). I and everyone I know vote against those things every time. Don't ball us up into one giant stereotype and throw us all down the drain.

And then there are those of us who hate apologetic jackasses like you.

Europe can go die in a fire; seems every time the stupid morons manage to set one, we have to be the ones to go **** on it and put it out.

Screw the EU, and screw 'socialism'.

Without America WW2 in Europe would have ended exactly the way it did - with the USSR kicking **** Germany to the curb so hard that the rest of the allies scrambled to grab France before them.

Now we get to play the "guess what grade he dropped out of school / stopped giving a **** about learning in."

My money's on 5th.

Wrong.

USSR, Great Britain and all the rest used US equipment and weapons until they could produce their own.

Little something called Lend-Lease.

Go look it up.

Edit: Oh,and my money is on you never graduated pre-school. LOL TEST....

Wrong.

USSR, Great Britain and all the rest used US equipment and weapons until they could produce their own.

Little something called Lend-Lease.

Go look it up.

And then there are those of us who hate apologetic jackasses like you.

Europe can go die in a fire; seems every time the stupid morons manage to set one, we have to be the ones to go **** on it and put it out.

Screw the EU, and screw 'socialism'.

WRONG!!! USSR had all their own equipment, just not a lot of it.

Seriously, go look up -

- T-26 and T-38 light tanks, T-24, T-28, T-34, and T-44 MBTs
- Illyushin fighter planes of WWII
- oh yeah, let's not forget the infamous Nagant rifles they used to get some of the highest sniper rates in WWII - far better riflemen than US troops for the simple fact that to defeat the germans, one rifle had to kill more than 30 enemy troops - and they came very close to that rate.

You need to learn some history, or at least defer to those who know it better instead of pretending like you know everything

Here's a good place to start: Some of the best gear of WWII came from the Russians

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_War_II_weapons_of_the_Soviet_Union

Without america you would be speaking Russian and starving under communism my friend.

But that's besides the point I'm talking about how each aspect of race is very related to how America is.

WRONG!!! USSR had all their own equipment, just not a lot of it.

Seriously, go look up -

- T-26 and T-38 light tanks, T-24, T-28, T-34, and T-44 MBTs
- Illyushin fighter planes of WWII
- oh yeah, let's not forget the infamous Nagant rifles they used to get some of the highest sniper rates in WWII - far better riflemen than US troops for the simple fact that to defeat the germans, one rifle had to kill more than 30 enemy troops - and they came very close to that rate.

You need to learn some history, or at least defer to those who know it better instead of pretending like you know everything

Here's a good place to start: Some of the best gear of WWII came from the Russians

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_War_II_weapons_of_the_Soviet_Union

USSR did reverse engineer a lot of things during the war, after all it was from supplying them better equipment and technology that they were able to make good things.

Not that I am discrediting their feats, to say that USSR did it all by themselves with no outside help is simply not true.

USSR did reverse engineer a lot of things during the war, after all it was from supplying them better equipment and technology that they were able to make good things.

Not that I am discrediting their feats, to say that USSR did it all by themselves with no outside help is simply not true.

Edit: Oh,and my money is on you never graduated pre-school. LOL TEST....

A Russian college professor invented NMR as part of his quantum mechanics class during the cold war - NMR is the predecessor of MRI, and it's used everywhere in science today. He never got a Nobel Prize.

USSR did reverse engineer a lot of things during the war, after all it was from supplying them better equipment and technology that they were able to make good things.

Not that I am discrediting their feats, to say that USSR did it all by themselves with no outside help is simply not true.

Amarrians - Fanatic Religious Fundamentalists who in history have been slave owners. The Bible Belt in America are heavily religious and in the past were slave owners before getting their ass handed to them in the Civil War.

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Kalashnikov copied the STG44, he will deny that it is so, but you only need to look at the rifles to see he is not telling the truth.

Yeah the Russians copied the masterful tank designs of the Americans. Are you for real?

It is by no means the best rifle, it was simply cheap, easy to produce, and had good reliability. Otherwise, there is nothing truly unique about it.

From what I've found it was a Galician-born American Physicist Isidor Rabi:

"Nuclear magnetic resonance was first described and measured in molecular beams by Isidor Rabi in 1938,[1] and in 1944, Rabi was awarded the Nobel Prize in physics for this work.[2] In 1946, Felix Bloch and Edward Mills Purcell expanded the technique for use on liquids and solids, for which they shared the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1952."

The AK-47 heavily based upon the STG.44 which was the world's first assault rifle. You only need to look at the designs to see the striking similarities. the difference was that the AK-47 used a shorter version (7.62 x 39mm) of the 7.62 x 54 R round, while the STG.44 was a shorter version of the 8mm mauser hence the name "Kurtz". (7.92 x 33 mm) The bolt was based on the M1 Garand assault rifle. It is by no means the best rifle, it was simply cheap, easy to produce, and had good reliability. Otherwise, there is nothing truly unique about it.

Kalashnikov copied the STG44, he will deny that it is so, but you only need to look at the rifles to see he is not telling the truth.

I'm sorry but the mechanics of the two guns, the part that actually makes it go brap brap brap are actually fairly different. The fact that they look alike means practically nothing.

Anyway I don't read anything into it. It's like all the bs people try to read into star wars or lord of the rings etc. EVE has a detailed backstory, maybe it's actually about that?

From what I've found it was a Galician-born American Physicist Isidor Rabi:

"Nuclear magnetic resonance was first described and measured in molecular beams by Isidor Rabi in 1938,[1] and in 1944, Rabi was awarded the Nobel Prize in physics for this work.[2] In 1946, Felix Bloch and Edward Mills Purcell expanded the technique for use on liquids and solids, for which they shared the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1952."

The AK-47 heavily based upon the STG.44 which was the world's first assault rifle. You only need to look at the designs to see the striking similarities. the difference was that the AK-47 used a shorter version (7.62 x 39mm) of the 7.62 x 54 R round, while the STG.44 was a shorter version of the 8mm mauser hence the name "Kurtz". (7.92 x 33 mm) The bolt was based on the M1 Garand assault rifle. It is by no means the best rifle, it was simply cheap, easy to produce, and had good reliability. Otherwise, there is nothing truly unique about it.

Kalashnikov copied the STG44, he will deny that it is so, but you only need to look at the rifles to see he is not telling the truth.

Not to mention that the 7.62mm is a damned heavy round for an assault rifle so it hits like a mule at longer ranges with better penetration than many contemporary rifles.

Not to mention that the 7.62mm is a damned heavy round for an assault rifle so it hits like a mule at longer ranges with better penetration than many contemporary rifles.

Remember - the best engineer does not aim for perfect performance in perfect conditions regardless of cost. He aims for the simplest solution that costs the least and works in *all* possible situations. Why? Because that's all that matters in the real world, and complex engineering always breaks when you need it most.

And the AK was capable of firing virtually any 7.62 round, including both 39 and 54 mm variants.

The gas system is virtually identical.

There are plenty of videos demonstrating that an M16 / M4 won't penetrate a cinderblock wall while an AK-47 will blow a hole clean through it.

US solution: "He's behind cover, call in a $15,000 airstrike"

Russian solution: "He's behind cover, shoot him with your $0.02 bullet"

This is about as biased as a comparison you'll ever see and its pretty obvious which gun is best.

Note: The M16 will actually hit the cinderblock wall from beyond 200 meters

And the AK was capable of firing virtually any 7.62 round, including both 39 and 54 mm variants.

Looked like he missed a bunch... firing the M16 that slowly and I'd hit it every time

*Edit: From 500 meters

Dude, every time I look at your sig, I laugh. It never gets old. Did you just make that up or was it something said on local ?

Not a target that small, in wind, while it is swinging around unpredictably.

Virtually all of those would have hit a man sized target. 2 misses. That was a bowling pin, FYI. The AK would also have penetrated body armor, something the M16 simply won't do.

Goons = terrorists?

As a Swede, I'll remain neutral, but I will still sell very sophisticated military technology to the US and other countries in the world while proclaiming neutrality.. trolol.

So you're telling us that this gun was capable of loading a rimmed cartridge which is longer than the receiver?

This was actually a typo - I meant the AK47 could fire their own 7.62x39 and the American 7.62x39mm - no, the AK47 cannot fire the 54, that was a typo. It can fire other types, as well, just can't remember off the top of my head.

But, while we're on the subject of M16 vs AK47...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#Ammunition

I see where this is going.

When are you yahoos going to start posting YouTube gun firing links?

A lot of that is wrong btw, horribly horribly wrong

On both accounts too, but what the hell is up with the 12-15 rpm rof without overheating, the same as a bolt action rifle?

Your beloved AK (You're the same as a furry btw)

The better rifle (yes I know that's an M4 but my point stands)

There has never been an "American 7.62x39mm" cartridge - sure, you might find American companies manufacturing it, but it's the same design. Unless you're thinking of the 7.62x51mm cartridge, which I strongly doubt could be fed into an AK without remachining the receiver (and likely the barrel)

I would have to look it up, which I can't be bothered doing right now, but I'm pretty sure I've read somewhere that this can indeed be done. Although I may also be mistaken, or mistaking it for another weapon.

A lot of it is referenced, by the way, HORRIBLY referenced with facts. Those darned facts! But just in case you haven't, you might want to check them.

FYI, I don't care what American rifle you personally like, it's smaller, compact European gear like the P90 and H&K SMGs that outperform all of it at the end of the day. The M16 was always a joke, the M4 is such a clout to maintain and that's why the US is replacing them both with the SCAR series (which incorporates a LOT of stuff coming outta Eurotech).

I'm Australian, so I have no personal bias here - we don't make ****, we just take what already exists and make it better. But if there's one thing we do know, it's quality over quantity, which is why we use the F88 Steyr as our primary AR and not the M16 or M4.

A lot of that is wrong btw, horribly horribly wrong

On both accounts too, but what the hell is up with the 12-15 rpm rof without overheating, the same as a bolt action rifle?

Your beloved AK (You're the same as a furry btw)

The better rifle (yes I know that's an M4 but my point stands)

Yes, that's why Australia is a world power

Talking **** about the ONLY country on the planet that literally always backs the US up in war.

Good job.

Oh, and Australian SF are almost universally considered superior trained to the USSF, Spetsnaz and SAS.

Talking **** about the ONLY country on the planet that literally always backs the US up in war.

Good job.

Oh, and Australian SF are almost universally considered superior trained to the USSF, Spetsnaz and SAS.

There has never been an "American 7.62x39mm" cartridge - sure, you might find American companies manufacturing it, but it's the same design. Unless you're thinking of the 7.62x51mm cartridge, which I strongly doubt could be fed into an AK without remachining the receiver (and likely the barrel)

Not a target that small, in wind, while it is swinging around unpredictably.

Virtually all of those would have hit a man sized target. 2 misses. That was a bowling pin, FYI. The AK would also have penetrated body armor, something the M16 simply won't do.

Actually, because the round in the 7.62 is so big and it tumbles the body armor we wear will stop it from entering our bodies and hitting vital organs. While the 5.56 on a 1/7 twist is a smaller round and will penetrate it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA7jqsib8RU

SLAP .308 rounds defeat Class III and III+ military at the right range. Conventional .308 will defeat vehicle bodywork, CII and CII+ reliably. Don't know at extended range.
Maybe you're wearing better body armor than that.

Oh well, it doesn't matter in the end. The US is as good as owned by the Chinese.

Nope. http://politicalcalculations.blogspot.com/2012/03/spring-2012-edition-who-really-owns-us.html#.UJSN4MXA9sI

Only by the Australians.... with their dozen or so warships and US supplied F/A-18 fighters

SF = Special Forces not overall army.

US army does not = Green Berrets.

German army does not = Spetsnaz.

Australian army does not = SAS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIarVbfERq4

Broken plate, at close range.

I was under the impression that the SAS was the Special Air Services and was a British outfit.

Also the Spetsnaz are Russian...

Yes, that's why Australia is a world power

This is wrong, all wrong...

If New Eden is America, then why aren't I strip searched every time I log in??

That level IV stuff is amazing. Just amazing. If you're wearing that, I'm glad.

Do you know if ESAPI stops modern sniper rounds like .338 hardened Lapua and .50 BMG SLAP and SLAP-T?

Without america you would be speaking Russian and starving under communism my friend.

But that's besides the point I'm talking about how each aspect of race is very related to how America is.

Every time I look at this thread topic in the front page all I can think of is a certain song. For a while I couldn't decide if I wanted to post about it. But, temptation has overwhelmed me/ So, Here it goes!



AMERICA! **** YEAH!

Talking **** about the ONLY country on the planet that literally always backs the US up in war.

Good job.

Oh, and Australian SF are almost universally considered superior trained to the USSF, Spetsnaz and SAS.

It's because you guys drink beer in HUGE cans! And eat shrimp on the barbie!

We fight better in a good mood, mate ;)

also, they're called "prawns" - shrimp is american.

nope, Vegemite, it's the Vegemite.

Please stop selling our secrets. Thank you.

Its cool to hate on America, because America is the greatest. Its natural for everyone to be jealous. I'm certain they would be the same if they were in our position of power.

Ignorance is shared by all.

I think I am the best and you think you are the best.

Those groups exist around the world, not just your country.

Its cool to hate on America, because America is the greatest. Its natural for everyone to be jealous. I'm certain they would be the same if they were in our position of power.

Goons = terrorists?

Oh look. Its that bad drunken joke again posted by someone who posts so bad they got banned from an entire forum of bad posters.

Look at it, each race represents an aspect of American Society.

Gallenteans - Freedom, Liberty, and Patriotism

Caldari - Greedy Corporatocracy and their control over Media and Politics

Amarrians - Fanatic Religious Fundamentalists

Minmatar- Is about Black People. The enslavement of the negro-race and the continued hardship

There is only one country in the world that is great as its the only one with great in its name

Rule Britania.

Without america you would be speaking Russian and starving under communism my friend.

But that's besides the point I'm talking about how each aspect of race is very related to how America is.

Goons = terrorists?

Perhaps part of the reason the US military scores lower on tactical prowess is simply the fact that it's so fuggin huge. Imagine a pod of dolphins versus orcas. The dolphins have created bubble nets, strategic strikes, illusions of obstructions and all sorts of highly intelligent maneuvers. Orcas, on the other hand, charge the beach and go "LOLOLIMGONNAEATYOU" while brandishing superior size and scariness. Sure, they have tactics, but their most effective one is brute force.

Also American exceptionalism, deal with it all you haters.

Look at it, each race represents an aspect of American Society.

Gallenteans - Freedom, Liberty, and Patriotism, but have a history of doing less than ideal things to achieve what is in their best interest.

Caldari - Greedy Corporatocracy and their control over Media and Politics. Just like the Real World, Money Talks in New Eden.
War and Conflict is in interest to those seeking to profit from it.

Amarrians - Fanatic Religious Fundamentalists who in history have been slave owners. The Bible Belt in America are heavily religious and in the past were slave owners before getting their ass handed to them in the Civil War.


Minmatar- Is about Black People. The enslavement of the negro-race and the continued hardships and crime that occur in majority of the life of Black People after the emanicipation of slavery. They have a high adversion to the Southern Religious Fanatics who have over the years oppressed them.

American exceptionalism only applies when American elitism doesn't.

Americans like you are what's most wrong with your country.

Oh look, it's that ostrich again.

We are the best. And if you don't agree you are one of two things

1)A European who doesn't understand American exceptionalism

2)The product of the brainwashing public education system.

Also we make distinctions among nations of their quality. Certain nations are better and more powerful. Fact.

Goons = terrorists?

Look at it, each race represents an aspect of American Society.

Gallenteans - Freedom, Liberty, and Patriotism, but have a history of doing less than ideal things to achieve what is in their best interest.

Caldari - Greedy Corporatocracy and their control over Media and Politics. Just like the Real World, Money Talks in New Eden.
War and Conflict is in interest to those seeking to profit from it.

Amarrians - Fanatic Religious Fundamentalists who in history have been slave owners. The Bible Belt in America are heavily religious and in the past were slave owners before getting their ass handed to them in the Civil War.


Minmatar- Is about Black People. The enslavement of the negro-race and the continued hardships and crime that occur in majority of the life of Black People after the emanicipation of slavery. They have a high adversion to the Southern Religious Fanatics who have over the years oppressed them.

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