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JitaPriceChecker2 State War Academy Caldari State 1	Posted - 2011.10.02 21:23:00 - [1] - Quote End of lag ?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHIhp_vpeIs&feature=feedu
Solstice Project Cult of Personality 19	Posted - 2011.10.02 21:27:00 - [2] - Quote You're really late with this one. ^^
Kewso School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2011.10.02 22:15:00 - [3] - Quote This is still lag, time dilation is no new feature. It exists in all online servers hell Ultima Online had same feature, Dark age of camelot had the lag meter. All they did was put a meter up that shows you the lag, you still have lag, camera is choppy, ui slows down, can barely move, and too laggy you'll still get disconnected or wait forever for client to respond. so instead of fixing lag problems, they add a lag meter, give it the technical term, time dilation is used in second life, ultima online, everquest, etc its just CCP after all these years finally are adding a lag meter like all mmo's have had since the 90's so they call it time dilation and make lag a feature instead of fixing it lol, love the illusion and wool they pull over your eyes.
DarkAegix Acetech Systems 61	Posted - 2011.10.02 22:21:00 - [4] - Quote Kewso wrote: I am mentally deficient. We know that, but there's no need for you to go about exclaiming it wildly.
Renan Ruivo Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance 58	Posted - 2011.10.02 22:24:00 - [5] - Quote Kewso wrote: This is still lag, time dilation is no new feature. It exists in all online servers hell Ultima Online had same feature, Dark age of camelot had the lag meter. All they did was put a meter up that shows you the lag, you still have lag, camera is choppy, ui slows down, can barely move, and too laggy you'll still get disconnected or wait forever for client to respond. so instead of fixing lag problems, they add a lag meter, give it the technical term, time dilation is used in second life, ultima online, everquest, etc its just CCP after all these years finally are adding a lag meter like all mmo's have had since the 90's so they call it time dilation and make lag a feature instead of fixing it lol, love the illusion and wool they pull over your eyes. Says someone who hasnt participated in 600+ men battlefields and have no idea of what Lag truly is. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 293	Posted - 2011.10.02 23:20:00 - [6] - Quote Kewso wrote: This is still lag, time dilation is no new feature. Oh really? Can you mention another game that does what TiDi does? In fact, do you even know what TiDi does? It sure doesn't sound like it. Quote: It exists in all online servers hell Ultima Online had same feature, Dark age of camelot had the lag meter. GÇªexcept, of course, that TiDi is not the same as a GÇ£lag meterGÇ¥. Quote: All they did was put a meter up that shows you the lag No, that is not all they did. In fact, that is not at all what they did. The meter does not measure lag GÇö it measures time dilation. Granted, the difference is lost on you since you don't know that this feature actually is, but if you go and read up on it, you might understand. Quote: so instead of fixing lag problems, they add a lag meter GÇªexcept that, again they are fixing lag problems and that they aren't adding a lag meter. So that's pretty much a 100% inaccurate post. Impressive. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á
Spurty V0LTA VOLTA Corp 25	Posted - 2011.10.02 23:38:00 - [7] - Quote /me facepalms at poster's epic failure ---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.
Eternum Praetorian PWNED Factor The Seventh Day 64	Posted - 2011.10.03 00:41:00 - [8] - Quote Cake! Damn wrong thread. SPIN!!!!!!!!!!!!! Still Spinning!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Denidil The Graduates Morsus Mihi 101	Posted - 2011.10.03 01:41:00 - [9] - Quote Kewso wrote: This is still lag, time dilation is no new feature. It exists in all online servers hell Ultima Online had same feature, Dark age of camelot had the lag meter. All they did was put a meter up that shows you the lag, you still have lag, camera is choppy, ui slows down, can barely move, and too laggy you'll still get disconnected or wait forever for client to respond. so instead of fixing lag problems, they add a lag meter, give it the technical term, time dilation is used in second life, ultima online, everquest, etc its just CCP after all these years finally are adding a lag meter like all mmo's have had since the 90's so they call it time dilation and make lag a feature instead of fixing it lol, love the illusion and wool they pull over your eyes. no.. it's not just UI. they actually implemented time stretching on the server so instead of some people being totally broken, and other people able to pop them at will everyone on the node is affected by the lag in exactly the same manner. Anyone who is blue to DRF are cowards and have failed Eve. MM Bombers, Best Bombers
Name Family Name Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 31	Posted - 2011.10.03 01:57:00 - [10] - Quote Denidil wrote: no.. it's not just UI. they actually implemented time stretching on the server so instead of some people being totally broken, and other people able to pop them at will everyone on the node is affected by the lag in exactly the same manner. So how can you - coming from the exact alliance that's only renown lies within fielding drakeblobs and lagging other people out (even losing when fighting with supercaps under jammers) condone this? Just get out fucktwad.
Denidil The Graduates Morsus Mihi 102	Posted - 2011.10.03 02:40:00 - [11] - Quote Name Family Name wrote: Denidil wrote: no.. it's not just UI. they actually implemented time stretching on the server so instead of some people being totally broken, and other people able to pop them at will everyone on the node is affected by the lag in exactly the same manner. So how can you - coming from the exact alliance that's only renown lies within fielding drakeblobs and lagging other people out (even losing when fighting with supercaps under jammers) condone this? Just get out fucktwad. i think you have your alliances confused, dumbfuck. Anyone who is blue to DRF are cowards and have failed Eve. MM Bombers, Best Bombers

CCP Spitfire C C P C C P Alliance 197	Posted - 2011.10.03 08:05:00 - [12] - Quote Offtopic and insulting posts removed. CCP Spitfire \| Russian Community Coordinator @ccp_spitfire

Jita Alt666 290	Posted - 2011.10.03 08:12:00 - [13] - Quote DarkAegix wrote: Kewso wrote: I am mentally deficient. We know that, but there's no need for you to go about exclaiming it wildly. You just cleaned the thread and missed this?
DarkAegix Acetech Systems 62	Posted - 2011.10.03 08:27:00 - [14] - Quote Jita Alt666 wrote: DarkAegix wrote: Kewso wrote: I am mentally deficient. We know that, but there's no need for you to go about exclaiming it wildly. You just cleaned the thread and missed this? Clearly not insulting enough! I'll have to try harder next time. Sorry everyone
Naran Eto Kut-n-Run 3	Posted - 2011.10.03 08:46:00 - [15] - Quote This whole time dilation thing looks too much like a scam to me tbh. What happens when you lag? the game slows down, you miss data etc. What are they doing to fix lag? They're making the game slow down when it's laggy. What? .. so they're basically giving us a lag indicator and then telling us the lag is the new time dilation feature.... riiigggghhhhhtttttt.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 299	Posted - 2011.10.03 08:55:00 - [16] - Quote Naran Eto wrote: What happens when you lag? the game slows down, you miss data etc. What are they doing to fix lag? They're making the game slow down when it's laggy. No. When it lags, the server does not have the time to properly process all the data, so it misses things, and you don't get the response you expect. To fix this, they slow the server down (or, rather, the server-side simulation) so it does have the time to process the data, and thus you get the response you expectGÇª only at a slower (but consistent) rate. Quote: What? .. so they're basically giving us a lag indicator and then telling us the lag is the new time dilation feature. Still no. They're giving themselves a way to load-balance over time, as opposed to over multiple processors, and they give us an indicator telling us how much slower the simulation is running in order to deal with all the processing. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á
baltec1 74	Posted - 2011.10.03 09:01:00 - [17] - Quote I for one cannot wait and hopefully they will bring it out just in time for the supercap nerf
Jack bubu GK inc. Pandemic Legion 24	Posted - 2011.10.03 10:44:00 - [18] - Quote Tippia wrote: Naran Eto wrote: What happens when you lag? the game slows down, you miss data etc. What are they doing to fix lag? They're making the game slow down when it's laggy. No. When it lags, the server does not have the time to properly process all the data, so it misses things, and you don't get the response you expect. To fix this, they slow the server down (or, rather, the server-side simulation) so it does have the time to process the data, and thus you get the response you expectGÇª only at a slower (but consistent) rate. Quote: What? .. so they're basically giving us a lag indicator and then telling us the lag is the new time dilation feature. Still no. They're essentially giving themselves a way to load-balance over time, as opposed to over multiple processors, and they give us an indicator telling us how much slower the simulation is running in order to deal with all the processing. TiDi does not GÇ£fix lagGÇ¥ GÇö it fixes the negative side-effects of an overloaded server, and the unfairness of those side-effects. Dont try to keep up with the Highsec pubbies who dont know what lag truly is tippia, its a endless struggle
Naran Eto Kut-n-Run 3	Posted - 2011.10.03 10:45:00 - [19] - Quote Tippia wrote: Naran Eto wrote: What happens when you lag? the game slows down, you miss data etc. What are they doing to fix lag? They're making the game slow down when it's laggy. No. When it lags, the server does not have the time to properly process all the data, so it misses things, and you don't get the response you expect. To fix this, they slow the server down (or, rather, the server-side simulation) so it does have the time to process the data, and thus you get the response you expectGÇª only at a slower (but consistent) rate. Quote: What? .. so they're basically giving us a lag indicator and then telling us the lag is the new time dilation feature. Still no. They're essentially giving themselves a way to load-balance over time, as opposed to over multiple processors, and they give us an indicator telling us how much slower the simulation is running in order to deal with all the processing. TiDi does not GÇ£fix lagGÇ¥ GÇö it fixes the negative side-effects of an overloaded server, and the unfairness of those side-effects. learn to sarcasm please. I was using sarcasm as a means to show how silly the OP was being.. but maybe that went right over your head lol.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 301	Posted - 2011.10.03 10:49:00 - [20] - Quote Naran Eto wrote: I was using sarcasm as a means to show how silly the OP was being.. but maybe that went right over your head. No, you just failed to use sarcasm to show how silly the OP was being. Partly because you weren't sarcastic, and partly because what you said wasn't really connected to anything the OP saidGÇª but mostly because the OP wasn't all that silly. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á
Mara Rinn Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium 113	Posted - 2011.10.03 10:50:00 - [21] - Quote Naran Eto wrote: learn to sarcasm please. I was using sarcasm as a means to show how silly the OP was being.. but maybe that went right over your head lol. Sarcasm works best when you make it apparent that you are being sarcastic, as opposed to simply sounding just as clueless as the person you thought you were mocking, but everyone else thinks you're agreeing with. Sarcastic Response wrote: So whatGÇª to fix the game running slower they're making the game run slower and then giving that a fancy name so we don't notice that it's running slower instead of just running slower?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 301	Posted - 2011.10.03 10:57:00 - [22] - Quote Mara Rinn wrote: Sarcastic Response wrote: So whatGÇª to fix the game running slower they're making the game run slower and then giving that a fancy name so we don't notice that it's running slower instead of just running slower? See? Much better versionGÇª GÇªbut of course, Naran Eto, had you used that one, you would still have sounded as fundamentally clueless about what TiDi actually does, so while that kind of answer would perhaps have served your purpose better, the result and the answer would have been the same: nope. edit: GÇªalso it's pretty counter-intuitive to quote one person to respond to someone else. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á
Solstice Project Cult of Personality 20	Posted - 2011.10.03 11:18:00 - [23] - Quote Quote from another thread that explains it for the idiots. And thx tippia for pointing out that they aren't slowing the server down. Please don't call it that, it makes me go mad. Solstice Project wrote: O_O Do you actually KNOW what you are talking about ? "The server is getting slowed down." Please read that out loud. Please ! And now THINK for a second ! They are not slowing down the server ! How stupid would that be !? How stupid are people writing crap like that ?? LEARN TO READ: Physics (aka Destiny) is getting updated once every second. When the node gets bogged too much, time dilation changes the update frequency, for example, to two seconds. It's actually a fluent process, depending on the load of the node, so it's not actually jumping from one second to two ... this was just an example ! You can see quite clearly how it works, simply by looking at your overview, which gets updated every second (at best). Time dilation means that "the virtual physical world is getting slowed down", which means the node has more capacity left for all the queries people are ... querrying (lol), before it has to update physics again. Time dilation also includes a slowing down of the cycle time of your modules, (OBVIOUSLY) which again means that the server has more free time to do other stuff, before he is forced to update physics and modules again. AGAIN: The server is NOT getting slowed down ! Think about how stupid this would be ! Please, think ! lol "Destiny", the physics simulation part, is getting "called" less often, so the node has more capacity to work on other stuff, before physics simulation gets updated again. TIME is getting slowed down, so Destiny is called less often and modules(-effects) have to get updated less often ! slaps everybody in the face (really hard) Here's the source, for those WHO CAN ACTUALLY READ ! http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=900 Addition: Grid loads should be actually faster then, because the node has more time to finish your request of getting transfered to the new solar system.
Mara Rinn Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium 113	Posted - 2011.10.03 11:53:00 - [24] - Quote Everywhere that I've seen people talking about relativity, they talk about time "slowing down" in the ship that is moving faster. So I'm quite comfortable with people talking about "slowing the server down" because that is what is actually happening. When the server cannot process 1 seconds worth of calculations, it just keeps going until it's done the calculations and then the 1 second mark is announced. So on the server, "one second" has passed. To the observer, it's been two seconds. Thus, the server is slowing down. As Ben Kenobi said, it all depends on your point of view. Or as Einstein said, it all depends on your frame of reference. My frame of reference is as a programmer, so of course "the server" to me means "the simulation". The hardware is only ever an afterthought. From my point of view, all you folks foaming at the mouth and telling people "ZOMG THEY R NOT SLOWIN SEVER DOWN" are fair dinkum raving loonies. Because they are slowing the server down, that's exactly what Time Dilation is doing. Anyone who has even a rudimentary understanding of special relativity knows this. I count 1 second, the server hasn't quite reached 1 second, from my frame of reference, the server is slow. From the server's frame of reference, I'm clicking buttons too fast. Does Time Dilation slow the server down, or speed up the clients? Well, depends on your frame of reference I guess. But I'm an egotistic, narcissistic human (you know, the kind of person who clicks the links to see which posts people have liked, and then I sit and read my post and think, "wow, that person really has a good point!" and then wonder why I can't "like" the post) so to me the obvious frame of reference is mine. I take the behaviourist approach to systems that I do not control. That is to say, I don't give two hoots about what's happening inside the box, I only care that I push button, receive bacon. Does it matter what hardware, operating system or programming language are used on the server? Not a dime. All that matters to me is that I launch a salvo of missiles at that frigate, and that frigate explodes. But I digress.
Solstice Project Cult of Personality 20	Posted - 2011.10.03 12:45:00 - [25] - Quote No. lol Slowing the server down would mean to lower it's frequency, like from 3 GHz to 2 GHz. That's a fact. It's just the way it is. There's no sense in argueing about this. Making a computer slower means making it slower. No matter how much text you put into it, it does not change the fact that the server still runs at the same speed. And using "server" as a synonym for "simulation" is pure nonsense. A "server" is a server and a "simulation" is a simulation ! Time Dilation doesn't slow the server down and also doesn't speed the client up. People behave like it's some weird form of quantum physics and giving words a new meaning doesn't change the facts. Of course it doesn't matter "a dime" to you (obviously, because you wrote that text), because who cares anyway about what's really happening, it's more important that people have stupid, uninformed opinions.
Sir Substance Tactical Knightmare 27	Posted - 2011.10.03 12:58:00 - [26] - Quote Naran Eto wrote: This whole time dilation thing looks too much like a scam to me tbh. What happens when you lag? the game slows down, you miss data etc. What are they doing to fix lag? They're making the game slow down when it's laggy. What? .. so they're basically giving us a lag indicator and then telling us the lag is the new time dilation feature.... riiigggghhhhhtttttt. Lag is the result of players forever attempting to push the envelope to get the advantage. As soon as the devs do something that ups the practical capacity of a node, alliances start bringing 10% more people then the new refinement can handle in an attempt to win the fight by superior numbers. The problem is that Old LagGäó was (and for the moment is) inconsistent. Its a crapshoot as to whether you'll get disconnected, get your modules stuck or indeed be more or less fine other then having to wait longer for your guns to fire. As a result, battles often got resolved through blind luck as to who got the better side of the lag coin. TiDi solves this by allowing lag to be applied consistently across every player. With TiDi, lag will be 100% predictable. That means that if alliances want to bring so many players that the battle takes 10x longer then it should, they can. The only downside now is that the fight will take 10x longer then it should. That's pretty ***** amazing. My only concern is how that will affect reenforcements. For example, a mostly American alliance being attacked during euro primetime might choose to spam missiles in an attempt to * the server into lagging so much the battle draws out until the Americans can log on and carry the fight. Is this ok?
Ammzi Imperial Guardians Blazing Angels Alliance 33	Posted - 2011.10.03 13:07:00 - [27] - Quote Please kick all ignorant people from forums. Please!
Voivod Rhahk'an Anstian Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2011.10.03 13:11:00 - [28] - Quote If you can't beat the lag, make it a feature and spread to all players equally. How ingenoius.
xxxTRUSTxxx Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers 13	Posted - 2011.10.03 13:18:00 - [29] - Quote it's a good idea, but would it not be a better idea to buy more hardware to allow the servers to deal with the load ? oh hang on that would drive the running costs up,, nope i guess not, how silly of me.
Juddas Priest Caldari Provisions Caldari State 5	Posted - 2011.10.03 13:29:00 - [30] - Quote Just to throw in a hand grenade into the discussion.... Do the opinions expressed in this forum represent the majority of EVE subscribers? See I find myself reading about a different game to the one I seem to be playing. The main issues seem to be regarding a relatively narrow section of the community and mostly affect very experienced players. They are very committed to the game and make up substantial (and unrepresentative?) proportion of posts on this forum. Fairly new players I think have a completely different view of the game but they are not yet as immersed so probably donGÇÖt make up a representative proportion of forum posters. How may players will really be effected by lag during 1000 ship fleet battles? I think CCP has to constantly keep this in mind when listening to the very vocal minority here. I could think of better places to target CCP's limited resources. You canGÇÖt reason someone out of a position they didnGÇÖt reason themselves into

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