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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.04.11 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Riddari
YOU CREATED THE IG-ALLIANCE TO LOWER YOUR COSTS
OTHERS LEFT ALLIANCES TO LOWER THEIR COSTS
Difference? None
The MC created our IGA to simplify war costs for clients due to the next patch.
XETIC (and damn near everyone else) created thier IGA to build alliances and eventually claim territory, set up a POS network (and eventually build stargates) in 0.0, mine 0.0 ore, hunt 0.0 rats, have the protection of thier alliance-mates in 0.0 and (it is assumed) Empire, etc...
Difference? Seems obvious. -
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meowcat
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Posted - 2005.04.11 13:01:00 -
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Edited by: meowcat on 11/04/2005 13:01:22
Originally by: Riddari
Originally by: Julien Derida It is impossible to declare more than 3 wars at once, so we are essentially left with no choice.
No choice? 3 contracts not enough? ....
3 contracts isn't enough when each of the 4 member corps is employed separately on their own contracts. Some people don't want to hire the entire MC, and we can't operate separately within an IGA.
Similarly we can't operate collectively without an IGA because of the cretinous new war cost system.
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Julien Derida
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Posted - 2005.04.11 13:05:00 -
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Edited by: Julien Derida on 11/04/2005 13:05:57
Originally by: Riddari
No choice? 3 contracts not enough? What sort of employer would be satisfied with you diverting your resources when you are to be solely contracted for his benefit?
You misunderstand. We are not talking about the entire MC taking on four contracts simultaneously. We are talking about each MC corporations taking on a SEPERATE contract for a SEPERATE employer i.e.
Client A hires FRICK to kill FA Client B hires BDCI to kill XETIC Client C hires NSN to kill SE Client D hires TC to kill Imperium
(The names are chosen at random )
You have to understand that clients who have the cash to hire all four corporations are few and far between. We will be spending a lot of our time working on different contracts. So no, 3 contracts is not enough when we have 4 independent corporations.
Edit: Meow beat me to it ----------------------------------------
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Waagaa Ktlehr
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Posted - 2005.04.11 13:05:00 -
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I run missions with my main when we're not on a contract, come kill me! \o/ ------------------------------------------ I am a love machine, feeding my fantasy, give me a kiss or three, have fun!
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Riddari
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Posted - 2005.04.11 13:08:00 -
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It's not personal guys, just like it's never personal for you. You do seem to take it personally though.
It is acknowledged that the Alliance is merely a DISCOUNT COUPON should someone want to hire more than one of your corporations.
Same flip-flop of using Alliance as a conveniance as many corporations who leave Alliances (not that I personally approve of it but I understand their reasoning) during war.
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Riddari
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Posted - 2005.04.11 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: meowcat Similarly we can't operate collectively without an IGA because of the cretinous new war cost system.
You can, it just costs extra.
Discount Coupon!
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.04.11 13:15:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 11/04/2005 13:16:45
Originally by: Riddari Same flip-flop of using Alliance as a conveniance as many corporations who leave Alliances (not that I personally approve of it but I understand their reasoning) during war.
Admit it, Riddari! Let it out, man! They are traitors and cowards! You're going to pod them if they look at you wrong in 0.0, aren't you?!
Originally by: Riddari It is acknowledged that the Alliance is merely a DISCOUNT COUPON should someone want to hire more than one of your corporations.
Discount Coupon =
I won't argue with that!
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr I run missions with my main when we're not on a contract, come kill me! \o/
Me too! L2 Gal Fed Navy 4TW! (just started...)
/emote wants a Fed Navy Mega really bad...
EDIT - Actually, buy me this ship and I'll kill whoever you want me to with it for a month. -
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Riddari
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Posted - 2005.04.11 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene Admit it, Riddari! Let it out, man! They are traitors and cowards! You're going to pod them if they look at you wrong in 0.0, aren't you?!
I haven't the foggiest who left and who didn't. Buerocracy.
Originally by: Seleene EDIT - Actually, buy me this ship and I'll kill whoever you want me to with it for a month.
Very nice.
Shame my wallet never reached 10% of Digitals wallet.
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Trooper B99
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Posted - 2005.04.11 13:54:00 -
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Out of curiosity, and slightly off topic, but if all these industrial corporations will abandon the xetic IGA at the drop of a hat come any threat, why do Xetic even have an IGA in the first place? What exaclty is the point of Xetic just now? A glorified chat engine? Just dissolve the alliance and go back the way you were before. You managed well enough before. *sighs*
It's swings and round abouts. You have an IGA to be better protected. One for all and all for one. But it seems like that part of the IGA is only for fairweather friends. Someone wants to go to war with golden oak industries (now that they're back in the alliance ) they have to go to war with all of xetic. However, somsone wants to go to war with Xetic, corps leave the IGA like rats off of a sinking ship.
Should that be in the in game news? That the Xetic alliance, recognised by CONCORD as a soverign state, cannot protect it's own corporations?
Personally i am still of the mind that any corp who leaves an IGA while at war with another corp either has to wait a week while their "removal is finalised". Outside of wars, feel free to leave/join to your hearts content. Once you are a part of an IGA, a soverign state, then you're a part for better or for worse. The more benefits the alliances, especially 0.0 alliances get, the more responsibilities they and their member corps should have as well.
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meowcat
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Posted - 2005.04.11 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Riddari
Originally by: meowcat Similarly we can't operate collectively without an IGA because of the cretinous new war cost system.
You can, it just costs extra. Discount Coupon!
in the same way that a private tropical island costs a bit extra when compared to my hovel, yeah...
ps: We now offer a free toaster with every contract.
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Weebear
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Posted - 2005.04.11 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: meowcat
ps: We now offer a free toaster with every contract.
Hmmmmm tell me more about this toaster.... how many settings does it have? What do you put in a toaster? ----------------------- Honor and Serve!
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GFLTorque
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Posted - 2005.04.11 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: Riddari
Shame my wallet never reached 10% of Digitals wallet.
Digi has enough ISK to buy a Region. But, if he ever paid everyone back, he'd not have enough money for 1 unit of Emergency Containment field I.
4 out of 3 people have trouble with fractions
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meowcat
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Posted - 2005.04.11 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: Weebear What do you put in a toaster?
/me resists the urge to say 'toast'
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Lowa
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Posted - 2005.04.11 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Weebear
Originally by: meowcat
ps: We now offer a free toaster with every contract.
Hmmmmm tell me more about this toaster.... how many settings does it have? What do you put in a toaster?
You seen that new movie about Oveur's little ship? The toaster(s) are made out of what was left of that alloy. It wasnt enought to coat a ship with so it was desided to make it into a bunch of toasters.
Why you ask? Because even when your ship go *BOOM* you can rest assured that you can eat fresh toast all the way home! (Since its installed in the ship's pod) Also comes with the usual "standards"; timer, bun heater, force field, brushed alu-case, noise reduction, Modal defrost (deep space is seriously cold you know) and its signed by all members of MC. What else can you possibly ask for?
Cheers, LOWA
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Weebear
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Posted - 2005.04.11 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Lowa
What else can you possibly ask for?
Not sure how many people will get this, but... Talkie Toaster
Damn you MC and your food related topics. (Funnily enough there is a box of Celebrations on my desk, and all that is left are Topics!) ----------------------- Honor and Serve!
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Danks
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Posted - 2005.04.11 16:01:00 -
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Tuna on toast please. Light mayo.
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Draximus Cane
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Posted - 2005.04.11 16:10:00 -
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Edited by: Draximus Cane on 11/04/2005 16:11:05 Well Seleene doesn't let BDCI eat or sleep during wartime, bit like the Romans not feeding the lions before setting them on helpless do gooders in sandles.
We kind of get possesive about or 'food' then
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2005.04.11 17:38:00 -
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As much as i hate to drag this discussion away from toasters and back on topic...
You still failed to answer my original question. So, let me ask again.
Can the MC honestly and right into my face, in sight of the entire community, say they do not use second accounts / corporations not in the IGA to produce their modules/ships?
Ill just explain why i ask this, since i seemed to have forgotten to do so in my first post. Using corporations / accounts not in your main corporation to produce modules / ships in relative safety is all fine and dandy by me. I honestly couldn't care less.
But it strikes me as odd when you then start complaining about XETIC doing this. Having production / industrial Corporations outside the official Alliance to make sure they are not a valid war target. Using such a Corporation yourself for producing your own modules / ships would show a sense of...hypocrisy.
Yes or no will suffice.
/Elve
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Leafo
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Posted - 2005.04.11 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Elve Sorrow Can the MC honestly and right into my face, in sight of the entire community, say they do not use second accounts / corporations not in the IGA to produce their modules/ships?
North Star Networks does not, everything we do (military and industrial) we do in NSN.
As for the other members of the MC I honestly don't know, have never heard of it though.
//Leafo
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Velsharoon
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Posted - 2005.04.11 17:59:00 -
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Edited by: Velsharoon on 11/04/2005 18:00:59 Industry / Rank 1 / SP: 256000 of 256000 level 5 Mass Production / Rank 2 / SP: 512000 of 512000 level 5 Mining / Rank 1 / SP: 256000 of 256000 level 5 Production Efficiency / Rank 3 / SP: 768000 of 768000 À4 Industry skills trained, for a total of 1,792,000 skillPoints.
I have 2 accounts, Velsharoon and Caoimhe, both Pvpers
Vels has been around longer and was the manufacturer in Dreamscape, turning pirate/merc a year ago. I build stuff when im sked
Vels also agent *****s when it suits, udually does 5 or 6 missions before getting bored.
We have several other PE 5s and can build T2 ships
However i buy most of my stuff from NAGA
This is typical of FRICK.
i dont mine btw thats a relic of a bygone era :)
Our minerals are from buy orders, and we also recieve ships/minerals as payment
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.04.11 18:39:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 11/04/2005 18:45:38
Originally by: Elve Sorrow But it strikes me as odd when you then start complaining about XETIC doing this. Having production / industrial Corporations outside the official Alliance to make sure they are not a valid war target.[/i]
We never complained about XETIC doing what you say. The only thing we ever stated was that if a corp joins an IGA in the first place then they should be well aware of the risks that they are taking. You walk into an IGA with open eyes and should accept the consequenses of that action for so long as you wish to remain a part of it.
If you go in, leave and never come back, good for you. If you leave and are then let back in, that's shameful in my eyes. This is simply my opinion and that's all it's ever been about.
I will not discuss the creation or purpose of the MC IGA further. People can ***** all they want at us, just as we have done at XETIC. That's your right for paying a subscription fee. In the end, however, it's just a difference of opinion and certianly not worthy of a nearly seven page thread.
This thread has wandered from one end of the galaxy to the other and is OVER for my pilots. If you are in BDCI the only thing you need to be worried about at this time is preparing for our next contract. Do NOT test me on this.
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Leafo
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Posted - 2005.04.11 18:46:00 -
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I couldn't have said it better myself Seleene, thank you.
Good luck to all of you out there, I'm off to polish my guns before next contract starts.
Leafo
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Neurotic Cat
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Posted - 2005.04.11 20:06:00 -
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All this talk about IGAs is kinda silly. The IGA system is illogical and goofy.
Here is my idea:
1. We are hired to kill the bad guys. 2. Some of the bad guys flee their IGA to continue production work, thus supporting the target. 3. We need to war dec those corporations as well. Anyone supporting the target needs to die.
We have 4 corps in the MC - we could war dec the IGA, and use the remaining 8 slots to go after the various industrial corps that flee.
This isn't about 'feelings' or 'play style'. It's about killing the target.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2005.04.11 20:08:00 -
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I think this thread can be locked now.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Neurotic Cat
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Posted - 2005.04.11 20:11:00 -
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I don't. I think the discussion about the MC, the IGA, and what "total warfare" really means could go on for several more pages.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2005.04.11 20:22:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 11/04/2005 20:24:01
Originally by: Neurotic Cat I don't. I think the discussion about the MC, the IGA, and what "total warfare" really means could go on for several more pages.
Why?
It's all just semantics and neither side will come to any sort of agreement.
It's a worrying but predictable sign that MC have become elitist and seem unable to see both sides of the coin. To MC, it seems if it isn't pvp (and I don't include the market pvp in this statement), then it's beneath your notice. Unfortunately, this is becoming a more common perception as Eve becomes a purely combat-orientated game.
You'll find XF's opinions are a dichotomy between pvp'ers and industrialist which, also predictably, brings derision and scorn from the close-minded uber-leet pvp core.
So, I'm asking this thread to be locked.
If you want to discuss IGA etc without bring the attitudes and flames, by all means do so. Hopefully XF flamers will avoid it too, but I doubt it.
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taaf
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Posted - 2005.04.11 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Calvert Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 11/04/2005 20:24:01
Originally by: Neurotic Cat I don't. I think the discussion about the MC, the IGA, and what "total warfare" really means could go on for several more pages.
Why?
It's all just semantics and neither side will come to any sort of agreement.
It's a worrying but predictable sign that MC have become elitist and seem unable to see both sides of the coin. To MC, it seems if it isn't pvp (and I don't include the market pvp in this statement), then it's beneath your notice. Unfortunately, this is becoming a more common perception as Eve becomes a purely combat-orientated game.
You'll find XF's opinions are a dichotomy between pvp'ers and industrialist which, also predictably, brings derision and scorn from the close-minded uber-leet pvp core.
So, I'm asking this thread to be locked.
If you want to discuss IGA etc without bring the attitudes and flames, by all means do so. Hopefully XF flamers will avoid it too, but I doubt it.
Sarcasm 4tw
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Charity Regard
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Posted - 2005.04.11 22:48:00 -
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Personally Calvert, and I will likely get flamed for this by fellow MC members. But I agree with you and Riddari (and I never agree with him ) and dont really see the difference between using the IGA at your convenience to protect your industrialists and using the IGA at our convenience to help make war costs more bearable and easier on our clients.
I agree with you 100% that each of us plays the game in our own way...Hell I dont even leave the station and would be having kittens if CCP nerfed the chat features. The game isnt ALL PVP - there are TONS of ways to enjoy yourself in EVE without firing a single shot and I dont have a problem with the people who want to play it that way. I've always hated the 1337, we're better than you, carebear crap - cowardly, lacking honor, politcal garbage that is thrown around in this game, it's just silly.
If Xetic doesnt have a problem with people leaving and coming back to avoid wars, I dont see why it was an issue to us in the first place. As a 'completely neutral' organization in EVE, it isnt our place to pass judgement on our targets. It should be as simple as red = dead this week and red could very well be blue and paying us ISK next.
I'm probably in the minority, but I know I am not alone - there are other MC members who do agree with you guys that it is just semantics and shouldnt have been brought up in the first place.
xOxo Charity
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Krapz
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Posted - 2005.04.12 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: Charity Regard I'm probably in the minority.
Nahh. I'm in the exact same mindset. Manipulation works both ways, don't try and draw black and white lines in a very large grey area.
Besides, I think most level headed ppl don't read these forums anymore. Good to see you're still around though
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Julien Derida
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Posted - 2005.04.12 01:27:00 -
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Originally by: Elve Sorrow As much as i hate to drag this discussion away from toasters and back on topic...
You still failed to answer my original question. So, let me ask again.
Can the MC honestly and right into my face, in sight of the entire community, say they do not use second accounts / corporations not in the IGA to produce their modules/ships?
Ill just explain why i ask this, since i seemed to have forgotten to do so in my first post. Using corporations / accounts not in your main corporation to produce modules / ships in relative safety is all fine and dandy by me. I honestly couldn't care less.
But it strikes me as odd when you then start complaining about XETIC doing this. Having production / industrial Corporations outside the official Alliance to make sure they are not a valid war target. Using such a Corporation yourself for producing your own modules / ships would show a sense of...hypocrisy.
Yes or no will suffice.
I thought I answered that question the first time . As Vels implied, the answer to your question is NO. FRICK produce most equipment needed in-house using minerals and components obtained from buy orders. Anything we don't produce, we buy using the normal methods. Bear in mind that the payment for a contract doesn't have to consist of ISK, it could also be an agreement to supply e.g. HACs at low prices. We have no need for an alt production corp, and to be honest none of us would have the motivation to run it. ----------------------------------------
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