Bumping is just a way someone discovered to grief people in high sec without having to kill them and have concord show up. It's cowardly.

It's cowardly.

Bumping is just a way someone discovered to grief people in high sec without having to kill them and have concord show up. It's cowardly.

I understand all that. You made some foolish assumptions.

vOv

Making appeals to e-honour isn't going to stop bumpers.

AFK mining is a way that someone discovered as a method of printing ISK while not actually playing the game, it griefs other miners without concord interference by devaluing their labours and time to the lowest common denominator

not in high-sec, derp. Try again.

Fortunately Crimewatch is fixing this joke of a pvp game.

Bumping is just a way someone discovered to grief people in high sec without having to kill them and have concord show up. It's cowardly.

AFK mining is a way that someone discovered as a method of printing ISK while not actually playing the game, it griefs other miners without concord interference by devaluing their labours and time to the lowest common denominator.



Foolish assumptions? please explain the errors in our interpretation of the published Dev blogs.

I agree.

haha, such a derpish argument. There are plenty of AFK activities that will earn you isk in EVE,planetary interaction, research and datacores just to name a few. Its part of the game, just the only part you cowardly scrubs are able to **** with. I guess CCP just didn't foresee that people would actually dedicate their time to annoying people to such an extent. I certainly didn't. Just goes to show you what pathetic losers so many EVE denizens really are.

Griefing is bannable, and quite rightly so. You should petition griefers without hesitation and let the GMs take care of business. Sadly, for you, we are not griefing. Everything the new order does complies with the EULA.

As for cowardly, no, it's just people adapting and reacting to changes made by CCP. The real cowards are the miners, like Jacob Amaris, who whines like a little girl in local pleading for someone else to kill us, but who wouldn't dream of turning off his mining lasers long enough to do it himself. It's an isk per hour thing, you see? Better to leave that barge AFK mining and come to the forum to whine to the devs.

I might also add that it's fun! Many of our "victims" have a damn good time with us in their system, sharing laughs and great conversation, while they tediously chip away at that ice cube in the hope that this cycle will finish the bugger off.

I salute you sir, you can see both sides of the argument, bumping is taking advantage of aggression mechanics but at the same time AFK mining is taking advantage of the cycle times and the recent EHP buff of the vessels used to do it, the latter of which made it considerably more difficult to pop mining barges, bumping is a reaction to the buff.

It's giving people grief, why would you argue that you're not? The forums clearly indicate the 'keen distress' necessary to use that word.

And the fact that miners are cowards doesn't mean bumpers aren't. News flash. They both are.

maybe even a derp like you can admit that is a bit of a stretch, hmm?

miners aren't necessarily cowards. Do you want to edit that statement? Bumping however is a high-sec only activity. This we know.

Nope it's not a stretch at all, I'm a miner & industrialist on another character, I would like to see the value of both my time and the minerals/products I produce increase, AFK miners prevent this by flooding the market with an excess of overly cheap minerals and ice that they sell direct to buy orders. I consider the bumpers as carrying out an economic warfare campaign on behalf of those of us that do actually mine while at the keyboard.

Context, dude. Are we not talking about high-sec miners in an ice field? I see your point and I still like the statement as I wrote it.

you don't know what the definition of griefing is then. Sounds to me like you fail to adapt and are mad about competitive prices so you are willing to support the use of lame game mechanics that only pitiful cowards would engage in.

would please explain to me how miners are cowardly? I just like to make money AFK while doing other **** and I'm STILL taking a much bigger risk than any bumper.

I would gladly do so, but I would just be repeating information already given earlier by another poster: "The real cowards are the miners, like Jacob Amaris, who whines like a little girl in local pleading for someone else to kill us, but who wouldn't dream of turning off his mining lasers long enough to do it himself. It's an isk per hour thing, you see? Better to leave that barge AFK mining and come to the forum to whine to the devs."

Whining about bumpers while ignoring the problems with AFK mining is rather cowardly.

I see no problems with AFK mining.

Wow.

I...uhhh....

Wow.


OK, I'm done here. Have a nice discussion.

oh, please! PEOPLE are cowards, it has nothing to do with being a miner. I see no problems with AFK mining. Just that some mining ships bonus like the hulk isn't big enough to reward people who do it actively. That too will prob be changed in time.

i know your view, its a narrow minded one. Why can't mining be a afk activity too? The new mackinaw says it can be. Adapt or die, or cry. Cry about mineral prices? Get competitive. But really we should also be asking for buffs to the hulk as well. No reason to think in only one direction.

Wow.

I...uhhh....

Wow.


OK, I'm done here. Have a nice discussion.

Adapt or die, or cry. The bumpers aren't going anywhere.

I'm sorry to see him drive you out of the conversation like that - it was nice to briefly interact with you. You're more than welcome to join us for the next bumping party.

haha, he crapped all over your stupid arguments and validated me but you'll take anything to try and get at me, won't you?

I know the truth must irk you, being called a cowardly high-sec griefer. Deal with it.

Actually, you took a potential ally and drove him away. Well played, old chap.

actually, I found out he wasn't as smart or as open minded as i thought he was. Its hard to match this though, I got to admit I'm kinda rough on ppl. Sorry for crapping on you all so hard with logical arguments.