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Torvin Yulus
State War Academy Caldari State
90
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Posted - 2012.11.06 03:09:00 -
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Your days of living under the oppressive rule of the tyranical overlords are numbered.
http://proveldtariat.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/bumpgeois-tracking/
We are the proveldtariat and we will retake the ice belts. the ice belts do not belong to the bumpers, or to anyone else. we are the people and the people own the means of production, not the tyrants.
Contact myself or "Anslo" for more information about the resistance movement. Together We can work for a better Morrow and retake what we are entitled to.
We are the miners, we are the future. im a pubby and im proud |

Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
44
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Posted - 2012.11.06 03:12:00 -
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So, uh, some miners finally decided to create content, eh? |

Travis117
Project Maverick IMPERIAL LEGI0N
23
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Posted - 2012.11.06 03:12:00 -
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No one cares |

Ghazu
262
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Posted - 2012.11.06 03:21:00 -
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lol anslo http://www.minerbumping.com/ |

Elliot Vodka
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2012.11.06 03:30:00 -
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This sounds like its a new religion... or something.... what? |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
785
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Posted - 2012.11.06 03:35:00 -
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Did you mean proletariat?
Do you know what that word means? |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1699
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Posted - 2012.11.06 03:39:00 -
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A play on veldspar, eh. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Clystan
Binaerie Heavy Industries
72
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Posted - 2012.11.06 03:53:00 -
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So - let me get this straight -
"For now, we await submissions. The database will hopefully be running by this week with your help. Together, we will push back this vile infection in our peaceful homes. We will rise, we will eliminate this threatGǪand we will promptly return to afk-mining!
For our Freedom
For our Rights
For the Proveldtariat o7"
You feel that AFK mining is a right? |

Torvin Yulus
State War Academy Caldari State
90
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Posted - 2012.11.06 04:01:00 -
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Clystan wrote:So - let me get this straight -
"For now, we await submissions. The database will hopefully be running by this week with your help. Together, we will push back this vile infection in our peaceful homes. We will rise, we will eliminate this threatGǪand we will promptly return to afk-mining!
For our Freedom
For our Rights
For the Proveldtariat o7"
You feel that AFK mining is a right?
damn straite
i have an inalienable right to mine how I want to mine. im a pubby and im proud |

Count of MonteCylon
MonteCylon Money Acquisition and Demolition Ltd.
11
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Posted - 2012.11.06 06:08:00 -
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The bumpgeois will suffer when retribution comes out! |
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Li Song
Everyshore Development Cooperative
2
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Posted - 2012.11.06 06:23:00 -
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Though not a miner myself, I support the uprising of the Proveldtariat. It is an uprising against coercion and extortion! And it could be a fun uprising, too, if the database was used to gank the bumpers the hell out of the systems they occupy. In the end, this should satisfy both sides. The miners will have their peace and the bumpgeoisie will have achieved their goal of having changed their play style, if only for the duration of the uprising. |

Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
44
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Posted - 2012.11.06 06:23:00 -
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Count of MonteCylon wrote:The bumpgeois will suffer when retribution comes out! They're already suffering from your terrible portmanteaus. |

Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
971
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Posted - 2012.11.06 06:41:00 -
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This thread belongs in the Alliance and Corporation recruitment forums, not in GD forums.
Otherwise we may as well have all Corps and Alliances advertising and recruiting in these GD forums.
Personnel Division Director --áBene Gesserit Chapterhouse
"The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another." - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |

Graff Spee
Choke-Hold
14
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Posted - 2012.11.06 07:01:00 -
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I am as amused by this cleverly thought out concept as I am by the miner bumpers. One is a cult, the other is communism. I'm deeply entertained to say the least. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
2740
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Posted - 2012.11.06 07:16:00 -
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:popcorn:
This is going to be entertaining, although I doubt they'll manage to generate as many tears, amusing blog posts & general outrage from the targeted party as the New Order has.
While a staunch supporter of what James315 is doing, it's good to see that some have decided to actually retaliate and generate some content instead of whining about it on the forums and getting laughed at. Good luck chaps, you're going to need it.
Prepare thy Mackinaws for the righteous bumps that shalt be delivered upon thee for thy blasphemy  -á-áThe Likes & Get Likes Thread Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Myxx
Minmatar Death Squad Broken Chains Alliance
626
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Posted - 2012.11.06 07:19:00 -
[16] - Quote
Anslo is not a name I predicted would turn up with an idea like this. Most interesting.
Now where is that popcorn I made? |

Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
390
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Posted - 2012.11.06 09:26:00 -
[17] - Quote
Quote:The Proveldtariat have eyes and ears everywhere, literally. Their mothers abandoned the proveldtariat on a mountaintop when they first beheld their horrible, mutated offspring
Abandoned like how AFK bot-aspirants abandon their humanity |

Nanatoa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
138
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Posted - 2012.11.06 09:40:00 -
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Am I in your database yet? It is never too late to turn from the errors of your ways: He who repents of his sins is almost innocent.
MinerBumping.com |

Yuri Wayfare
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
23
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Posted - 2012.11.06 09:55:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote: While a staunch supporter of what James315 is doing, it's good to see that some have decided to actually retaliate and generate some content instead of whining about it on the forums and getting laughed at. Good luck chaps, you're going to need it.
Damn you Jonah, stealing my reply before I even get here 
As a shareholder and Tip of the Hat(tm) recipient of the New Order, I too applaud the Proveldtariat. Any player-driven initiative to stand up and defend a chosen playstyle using existing mechanics is Doing it Right(tm) in my book. Best of luck to you. Let the games begin!
"Suddenly, trash pickers! HUNDREDS of winos going through your recyclables." -Piugattuk
Be careful what you wish for. |

Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
26
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Posted - 2012.11.06 10:37:00 -
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My sincere congratulations on your initiative. I shall be observing with great joy. After all, is not the purpose of the New Order to incite action and independence in miners?
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Solstice Project
Carebear Cadaver Productions
2031
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Posted - 2012.11.06 12:24:00 -
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Nanatoa wrote:Am I in your database yet? May i be in your database ? ^_^ Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
504
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Posted - 2012.11.06 13:19:00 -
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Myxx wrote:Anslo is not a name I predicted would turn up with an idea like this. Most interesting.
Now where is that popcorn I made?
Hi Myxx! 
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
364
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Posted - 2012.11.06 13:28:00 -
[23] - Quote
Some Rando wrote:So, uh, some miners finally decided to create content, eh?
Here's hoping....
And it only took a decade of getting pushed around lol.
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Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
592
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Posted - 2012.11.06 13:29:00 -
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Bravo.
Posting in a thread that isn't a whine thread.
Perhaps, after Retribution, you could turn this into a charity. Rich sadistic bastards could put bounties on people using active characters for bumping. Mercs could use the page to know which corps to wardec to get the bounties. Marvellous. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |

Plaude Pollard
Crimson Cartel
89
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Posted - 2012.11.06 13:30:00 -
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Torvin Yulus wrote:Clystan wrote:So - let me get this straight -
"For now, we await submissions. The database will hopefully be running by this week with your help. Together, we will push back this vile infection in our peaceful homes. We will rise, we will eliminate this threatGǪand we will promptly return to afk-mining!
For our Freedom
For our Rights
For the Proveldtariat o7"
You feel that AFK mining is a right? damn straite i have an inalienable right to mine how I want to mine. And James 315 and his bumping-fleets have the right to bump you out of mining range if they want.
Also, Chribba isn't the founder of your little anti-bumper group, so you don't have the legal right to use the word "veld" in your group's name, without paying Chribba a massive sum of ISK for copyright infringement (since that's practically his trademark). And for giving the word "veld" a bad name. Mostly for the latter, really. New to EVE? Want to learn? The Crimson Cartel will train you in the fields of your choice. Mainly active in EU afternoons and evenings. Contact me for more info. |

Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
364
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Posted - 2012.11.06 13:33:00 -
[26] - Quote
Torvin Yulus wrote:Clystan wrote:So - let me get this straight -
"For now, we await submissions. The database will hopefully be running by this week with your help. Together, we will push back this vile infection in our peaceful homes. We will rise, we will eliminate this threatGǪand we will promptly return to afk-mining!
For our Freedom
For our Rights
For the Proveldtariat o7"
You feel that AFK mining is a right? damn straite i have an inalienable right to mine how I want to mine.
They only rights men have (in real life, or EVE ,both of which are harsh environments) are rights they can fight for and defend. In other words, there is no such thing as "rights".
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Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
49
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Posted - 2012.11.06 13:35:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Here's hoping.... Yes, well, about that... I get the feeling it's not actually miners creating this content. |

Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
504
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Posted - 2012.11.06 13:36:00 -
[28] - Quote
Plaude Pollard wrote:And James 315 and his bumping-fleets have the right to bump you out of mining range if they want.
Also, Chribba isn't the founder of your little anti-bumper group, so you don't have the legal right to use the word "veld" in your group's name, without paying Chribba a massive sum of ISK for copyright infringement (since that's practically his trademark). And for giving the word "veld" a bad name. Mostly for the latter, really.
No, he doesn't have that right. If he was just bumping bots, REAL bots, I might have joined is merry band of tight wearing bumpers in feathered caps.
But no, he used this bot-aspirant crap to dictate that anyone mining wants to be a bot.
Say whatever you want about your "rights," but your rights end where they infringe on the miners. And we will enforce that.
As for Chribba, of course he isn't the founder. He's too busy being Chribba and manly, whilst swimming in a frozen lake fighting ice dragons and eating their flesh over an open fire with a mug of Meade...
Erm ahem..
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Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
593
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Posted - 2012.11.06 13:36:00 -
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Plaude Pollard wrote: And James 315 and his bumping-fleets have the right to bump you out of mining range if they want.
And they have a right to put James and all his little bum buddies on a massive list for griefers all over New Eden to take advantage of. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |

Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
391
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Posted - 2012.11.06 13:39:00 -
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No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
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Tallian Saotome
Papercut Syndicate
850
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Posted - 2012.11.06 13:42:00 -
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Anslo wrote: As for Chribba, of course he isn't the founder. He's too busy being Chribba and manly, whilst swimming in a frozen lake fighting ice dragons and eating their flesh over an open fire with a mug of Meade...
Chribba fanfics.....
Please tell me thats not the scene where he is visited by Batman, Robin, and The Mittani for a massive orgy.  Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
2820
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Posted - 2012.11.06 13:46:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:Plaude Pollard wrote: And James 315 and his bumping-fleets have the right to bump you out of mining range if they want.
And they have a right to put James and all his little bum buddies on a massive list for griefers all over New Eden to take advantage of.
Two can play that game, if a list of bumpers is generated for the purpose of giving people targets then I can guarantee that a similar list will be generated for miners, things will escalate quickly, ships will explode, some players will cry endless rivers of tears, while others will giggle like maniacs. I have a fair suspicion of who will do the former and I know who will be doing the latter.
Fair play to the makers of the Proveldtariat for stepping up to the mark, let the fun begin.
-á-áThe Likes & Get Likes Thread Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
27
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Posted - 2012.11.06 14:13:00 -
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Anslo wrote:No, he doesn't have that right. If he was just bumping bots, REAL bots, I might have joined is merry band of tight wearing bumpers in feathered caps.
But no, he used this bot-aspirant crap to dictate that anyone mining wants to be a bot. Of course he has the right to do it. Your joining our 'merry band' has no relevance as to whether or not we're allowed to bump whom we please.
And besides, can you really deny that mining, as a profession, is the first step on the road to becoming a bot? Even if you interact with the game while mining, you're certainly not interacting with your 'roid once you've targeted it and started your lasers.
Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Two can play that game, if a list of bumpers is generated for the purpose of giving people targets then I can guarantee that a similar list will be generated for miners, things will escalate quickly, ships will explode, some players will cry endless rivers of tears, while others will giggle like maniacs. I have a fair suspicion of who will do the former and I know who will be doing the latter.
Fair play to the makers of the Proveldtariat for stepping up to the mark, let the fun begin.
If it goes that way, I have a fair idea of who is going to come out on the worse side. The miners have a greater tendency to all be in the same corporation, so one wardec = more targets. The PvP players and mercs are, in general, morally on the side of James 315. The miner bumpers are far more likely to have the tools for ganking than the miners are. And finally, any list of miners is bound to have a greater audience, due to the fact that www.MinerBumping.com is much better known than the Proveldtariat blog.
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Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
504
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Posted - 2012.11.06 14:21:00 -
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Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote: Of course he has the right to do it. Your joining our 'merry band' has no relevance as to whether or not we're allowed to bump whom we please.
Until we push you out and tell you to sod off with your ransoms...
Quote:And besides, can you really deny that mining, as a profession, is the first step on the road to becoming a bot? Even if you interact with the game while mining, you're certainly not interacting with your 'roid once you've targeted it and started your lasers. It wouldn't be in the game if CCP thought that way, so no, you're wrong. But arguing with TEST is like trying to play chess with a pigeon, and we all know how that goes. 
Quote:If it goes that way, I have a fair idea of who is going to come out on the worse side. The miners have a greater tendency to all be in the same corporation, so one wardec = more targets. The PvP players and mercs are, in general, morally on the side of James 315. The miner bumpers are far more likely to have the tools for ganking than the miners are. And finally, any list of miners is bound to have a greater audience, due to the fact that www.MinerBumping.com is much better known than the Proveldtariat blog.
I like how you assume miners are simply incapable of stopping anyone infringing on their free time. So much for doing things for the miner's own "good" huh? As for you assumption about the miners and corps...you really should open your eyes. It doesn't work like that.
I also like how you assume PvPers and Mercs are all on james' side. Do you have evidence of this in game aside from a few trolls and forum warriors? Did TEST openly support James and send 50 ships to help? Did -A- finally undock and come to Caldari space to assist? No? Hmm...
And I fail to see how your last post makes any sense aside from trying to advertise your vitriol as superior when http://proveldtariat.wordpress.com/ gives the miners the tools to fight back.
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Robert De'Arneth
259
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Posted - 2012.11.06 14:21:00 -
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While I appauld your stand against these people who will never have any real affect on the game, ever. I think the best way to deal with them is to ignore them. They have no way to enforce crap, treat them like gnats and move on. I'm a nerd you can check my stats!! Skilling Int/Mem at 45 sp per minute is how I mack!-á-á-á-á I'm like a lapdog, all bark no bite.-á |

Remiel Pollard
Devlin Security Devlin Alliance
27
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Posted - 2012.11.06 14:23:00 -
[36] - Quote
Clystan wrote:So - let me get this straight -
"For now, we await submissions. The database will hopefully be running by this week with your help. Together, we will push back this vile infection in our peaceful homes. We will rise, we will eliminate this threatGǪand we will promptly return to afk-mining!
For our Freedom
For our Rights
For the Proveldtariat o7"
You feel that AFK mining is a right?
Anything that isn't restricted by the EULA is a right - that includes AFK mining. It's a stupid thing to do, and something worth punishing, but it's not a banned or restricted activity. I don't do it, I don't support it, but you need to get over yourself declaring who has what rights. I am 12 and what is this?? |

Plaude Pollard
Crimson Cartel
90
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Posted - 2012.11.06 14:24:00 -
[37] - Quote
Arduemont wrote:Plaude Pollard wrote: And James 315 and his bumping-fleets have the right to bump you out of mining range if they want.
And they have a right to put James and all his little bum buddies on a massive list for griefers all over New Eden to take advantage of. I didn't say they don't have the right to make a list of known griefers, did I? New to EVE? Want to learn? The Crimson Cartel will train you in the fields of your choice. Mainly active in EU afternoons and evenings. Contact me for more info. |

Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
54
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Posted - 2012.11.06 14:33:00 -
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Silly rabbit, miners don't fight back. |

Ghazu
263
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Posted - 2012.11.06 14:35:00 -
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Some Rando wrote:Silly rabbit, miners don't fight back. THEY ARE MAKING A LIST! http://www.minerbumping.com/ |

NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
29
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Posted - 2012.11.06 14:38:00 -
[40] - Quote
Ghazu wrote:Some Rando wrote:Silly rabbit, miners don't fight back. THEY ARE MAKING A LIST! And checking it twice |
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Zhade Lezte
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
63
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Posted - 2012.11.06 14:38:00 -
[41] - Quote
This is the possible start of a Good Thread.
I do hope the OP can be a bit more entertaining in his criticism of the most sacred New Order, however. Most of the rhetoric so far is depressingly same old!
Edit: For a second I thought Anslo was the OP, but he's not. So I have more hope for better posting on this blog and this thread already! |

Angel Violette
The Filthy Few Pendulum of Doom
14
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Posted - 2012.11.06 14:40:00 -
[42] - Quote
It is good to see the New Order finally having an effect on these miners ! they're actually talking about resistance! this is what the New order tries to encourage these miners to do ! Leave your Bot aspiring ways and FIGHT! Im sure James will love to hear that his plan is begining to bear fruit.
Hail THE NEW ORDER and long live James 315!! Happy endings are rare unless you are in a Asian massage parlor .
www.minerbumping.com |

Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
506
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Posted - 2012.11.06 14:41:00 -
[43] - Quote
Angel Violette wrote:It is good to see the New Order finally having an effect on these miners ! they're actually talking about resistance! this is what the New order tries to encourage these miners to do ! Leave your Bot aspiring ways and FIGHT! Im sure James will love to hear that his plan is begining to bear fruit.
Hail THE NEW ORDER and long live James 315!!
Go ahead  Of course, once your ousted, we will promptly return to afk mining!
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
366
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Posted - 2012.11.06 14:43:00 -
[44] - Quote
Benny Ohu wrote:No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
This is going into my sig......
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Natasha Liao
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
23
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Posted - 2012.11.06 14:55:00 -
[45] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:Anslo wrote: As for Chribba, of course he isn't the founder. He's too busy being Chribba and manly, whilst swimming in a frozen lake fighting ice dragons and eating their flesh over an open fire with a mug of Meade...
Chribba fanfics..... Please tell me thats not the scene where he is visited by Batman, Robin, and The Mittani for a massive orgy.  Chribba slash fiction ... please tell me I'm not the only one who finds this disturbing. On many levels...
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Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
506
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Posted - 2012.11.06 14:58:00 -
[46] - Quote
Natasha Liao wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Anslo wrote: As for Chribba, of course he isn't the founder. He's too busy being Chribba and manly, whilst swimming in a frozen lake fighting ice dragons and eating their flesh over an open fire with a mug of Meade...
Chribba fanfics..... Please tell me thats not the scene where he is visited by Batman, Robin, and The Mittani for a massive orgy.  Chribba slash fiction ... please tell me I'm not the only one who finds this disturbing. On many levels...
It's actually not a fan fic at all. Check his twitter. The guy goes swimming in freezing temperatures in a near frozen lake. Gotta have respect for that 
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Angel Violette
The Filthy Few Pendulum of Doom
14
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Posted - 2012.11.06 15:03:00 -
[47] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Angel Violette wrote:It is good to see the New Order finally having an effect on these miners ! they're actually talking about resistance! this is what the New order tries to encourage these miners to do ! Leave your Bot aspiring ways and FIGHT! Im sure James will love to hear that his plan is begining to bear fruit.
Hail THE NEW ORDER and long live James 315!! Go ahead  Of course, once your ousted, we will promptly return to afk mining!
And the Order will be there to Bump that ass back into compliance . Happy endings are rare unless you are in a Asian massage parlor .
www.minerbumping.com |

Tallian Saotome
Papercut Syndicate
851
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Posted - 2012.11.06 15:11:00 -
[48] - Quote
Anslo wrote:I also like how you assume PvPers and Mercs are all on james' side. Do you have evidence of this in game aside from a few trolls and forum warriors? Did TEST openly support James and send 50 ships to help? Did -A- finally undock and come to Caldari space to assist? No? Hmm... And I fail to see how your last post makes any sense aside from trying to advertise your vitriol as superior when http://proveldtariat.wordpress.com/ gives the miners the tools to fight back. I think you are confused into thinking anyone in nullsec cares about your mining, or James's bumping, other than reading these threads and laughing their asses off at the petty BS going on in highsec.
Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |

Robert De'Arneth
259
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Posted - 2012.11.06 15:24:00 -
[49] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:Anslo wrote:I also like how you assume PvPers and Mercs are all on james' side. Do you have evidence of this in game aside from a few trolls and forum warriors? Did TEST openly support James and send 50 ships to help? Did -A- finally undock and come to Caldari space to assist? No? Hmm... And I fail to see how your last post makes any sense aside from trying to advertise your vitriol as superior when http://proveldtariat.wordpress.com/ gives the miners the tools to fight back. I think you are confused into thinking anyone in nullsec cares about your mining, or James's bumping, other than reading these threads and laughing their asses off at the petty BS going on in highsec.
So you know what everyone in Null-Sec thinks do you? I mean no one from Test or Goons would ever have James's site in their sigs. That does take effort, and they all say they love James. But lets get back to you knowing what so many people think, can you point us to your data, ie where you talked to everyone in Null-Sec.
Edit: Oh look right below me. I'm a nerd, you can check my stats!! Skilling Int/Mem at 45 sp per minute is how I mack!-á-á-á-á I'm like a lapdog, all bark no bite.-á |

Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
30
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Posted - 2012.11.06 15:24:00 -
[50] - Quote
Anslo wrote:But arguing with TEST is like trying to play chess with a pigeon, and we all know how that goes.  The pigeon knocks over all the pieces, then ***** on your head as it flies off?
Sounds about right.
Anslo wrote:I like how you assume miners are simply incapable of stopping anyone infringing on their free time. *Shrug* I've got no choice but to assume that what I see with my eyes is true.
Anslo wrote:As for you assumption about the miners and corps...you really should open your eyes. It doesn't work like that. Ohhhhhh, yes it does! Just last night, I spent a half hour or so bumping miners from the [IN222] corp. There were 9 of them in the belt at the time. Someone wardecs that corp; he gets nine easy targets. Someone wardecs Dreddit, he gets me. Big whoop.
Anslo wrote:I also like how you assume PvPers and Mercs are all on james' side. Do you have evidence of this in game aside from a few trolls and forum warriors? Again, the only evidence either way is what I hear from PvPers, ingame and out. So I simply have to assume that PvPers, in general, are in support of James.
Anslo wrote:And I fail to see how your last post makes any sense aside from trying to advertise your vitriol as superior when http://proveldtariat.wordpress.com/ gives the miners the tools to fight back. My point is merely that if there were a list of miners on www.MinerBumping.com, it would get more views than a list of miner bumpers on your blog.
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Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
30
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Posted - 2012.11.06 15:26:00 -
[51] - Quote
Robert De'Arneth wrote:no one from Test or Goons would ever have James's site in their sigs. u wot m8?
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Tallian Saotome
Papercut Syndicate
851
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Robert De'Arneth wrote: So you know what everyone in Null-Sec thinks do you? I mean no one from Test or Goons would ever have James's site in their sigs. That does take effort, and they all say they love James. But lets get back to you knowing what so many people think, can you point us to your data, ie where you talked to everyone in Null-Sec.
Edit: Oh look right below me.
/me sighs
Talk about being over defensive... They LIKE James, I've read at least one post on the Goon forums by The Mittani talking about how he is great.
Just because you like someone doesn't mean you actually care. Look at the context I actually quoted. Other than individuals donating money, the nullsec entities do not care, certainly not enough to send out formal support beyond a thanks for the lulz donation.
Edit: and if they now decide to prove me wrong, so much the better, but I wouldn't hold my breath  Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |

Telegram Sam
Shoot 2 Thrill
443
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Posted - 2012.11.06 15:32:00 -
[53] - Quote
Count of MonteCylon wrote:The bumpgeois will suffer when retribution comes out! Bumpgeois, LOL  |

Jeremy Soikutsu
Homeworld Republic Intrepid Crossing
6
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Posted - 2012.11.06 15:34:00 -
[54] - Quote
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:[quote=Anslo]Even if you interact with the game while mining, you're certainly not interacting with your 'roid once you've targeted it and started your lasers.
That also sounds like anchoring on an FC and tapping F1. You don't even operate on your own ageis in such a situation, so who's more "bot aspirant" here? Of course I'm being sarcastic, this whole concept is ******* ********.
Also this thread has too many or not enough portmanteaus. |

Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
31
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Posted - 2012.11.06 15:37:00 -
[55] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:Other than individuals donating money, the nullsec entities do not care, certainly not enough to send out formal support beyond a thanks for the lulz donation. Edit: and if they now decide to prove me wrong, so much the better, but I wouldn't hold my breath  I'm an active miner bumper from TEST, and here's an active miner bumper from Goons.
Screw 'formal' though. We're not about formal.
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Xuixien
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
166
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Posted - 2012.11.06 15:41:00 -
[56] - Quote
More like "driveltariot". Everyone vs Everyone Xuixien - Space Cat, Queen of Rens |

Tallian Saotome
Papercut Syndicate
851
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Posted - 2012.11.06 15:45:00 -
[57] - Quote
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Other than individuals donating money, the nullsec entities do not care, certainly not enough to send out formal support beyond a thanks for the lulz donation. Edit: and if they now decide to prove me wrong, so much the better, but I wouldn't hold my breath  I'm an active miner bumper from TEST, and here's an active miner bumper from Goons. Screw 'formal' though. We're not about formal. Good thing I didn't hold my breath.
That took like 7 minutes!  Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |

admiral root
Red Galaxy Persona Non Gratis
124
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Posted - 2012.11.06 15:52:00 -
[58] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:I think you are confused into thinking anyone in nullsec cares about your mining, or James's bumping, other than reading these threads and laughing their asses off at the petty BS going on in highsec.
Nullsec bumper checking in. I believe a number of my brother bumpers also have a null connection, too. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |

Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
370
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Posted - 2012.11.06 16:08:00 -
[59] - Quote
Jeremy Soikutsu wrote:Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
That also sounds like anchoring on an FC and tapping F1. You don't even operate under your own ageis in such a situation, so who's more "bot aspirant" here? Of course I'm being sarcastic, this whole concept is ******* ********.
In one case your interacting with PEOPLE and taking actions to will help the economy of the game by removing materials/ships (either yours or the ship of the person your FC called primary)), in the other, you ain't (your just adding yet more material into an over-stuffed game market).
Anchoring on an FC and tapping F1, might be mechanically similar to what the miner is doing, but in terms of effect on the game, they are totally different things)
In other words, different things are different.
Benny Ohu: No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |

Angel Violette
The Filthy Few Pendulum of Doom
14
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Posted - 2012.11.06 16:23:00 -
[60] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote:Nanatoa wrote:Am I in your database yet? May i be in your database ? ^_^ me 3!
Happy endings are rare unless you are in a Asian massage parlor .
www.minerbumping.com |
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Khergit Deserters
Gallente Federation
175
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Posted - 2012.11.06 16:30:00 -
[61] - Quote
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Anslo wrote:No, he doesn't have that right. If he was just bumping bots, REAL bots, I might have joined is merry band of tight wearing bumpers in feathered caps.
But no, he used this bot-aspirant crap to dictate that anyone mining wants to be a bot. Of course he has the right to do it. Your joining our 'merry band' has no relevance as to whether or not we're allowed to bump whom we please. And besides, can you really deny that mining, as a profession, is the first step on the road to becoming a bot? Even if you interact with the game while mining, you're certainly not interacting with your 'roid once you've targeted it and started your lasers. ... Kids, just say no to AFK mining. It leads to harder things. Like bot mining. And it can you get you in trouble with the law... er, the bumpgeoisie. |

Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
33
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Posted - 2012.11.06 16:35:00 -
[62] - Quote
Khergit Deserters wrote:Kids, just say no to AFK mining. It leads to harder things. Like bot mining. And it can you get you in trouble with the law... er, the bumpgeoisie. You're exactly right! Although your use of juvenile portmantitles did kind of diminish that effect.
You might also want to consider that removing the 'AFK' would make it mean more. I mean, AFK Mining is like Ecstasy while bot mining is crack *******, but the true gateway drug (cannabis) would be mining in any form.
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Tallian Saotome
Papercut Syndicate
851
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Posted - 2012.11.06 17:06:00 -
[63] - Quote
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:Kids, just say no to AFK mining. It leads to harder things. Like bot mining. And it can you get you in trouble with the law... er, the bumpgeoisie. You're exactly right! Although your use of juvenile portmantitles did kind of diminish that effect. You might also want to consider that removing the 'AFK' would make it mean more. I mean, AFK Mining is like Ecstasy while bot mining is crack *******, but the true gateway drug (cannabis) would be mining in any form. Hey hey hey, they have disproven the gateway drug theory about pot.
At least make sure your crackpot theories are current, sheesh.
:tinfoil:
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Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
2846
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Posted - 2012.11.06 17:25:00 -
[64] - Quote
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:If it goes that way, I have a fair idea of who is going to come out on the worse side. The miners have a greater tendency to all be in the same corporation, so one wardec = more targets. The PvP players and mercs are, in general, morally on the side of James 315. The miner bumpers are far more likely to have the tools for ganking than the miners are. And finally, any list of miners is bound to have a greater audience, due to the fact that www.MinerBumping.com is much better known than the Proveldtariat blog.
I concur with your assessment on who will come off worse, It would generate enough tears to form a whole new icebelt, unless of course all those miners who claim to be alts of PvP characters are actually telling the truth. Either way it would be glorious to see that much stuff exploded in hisec because some people refused to pay for a mining permit.
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Khergit Deserters
Gallente Federation
176
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Posted - 2012.11.06 17:34:00 -
[65] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:Kids, just say no to AFK mining. It leads to harder things. Like bot mining. And it can you get you in trouble with the law... er, the bumpgeoisie. You're exactly right! Although your use of juvenile portmantitles did kind of diminish that effect. You might also want to consider that removing the 'AFK' would make it mean more. I mean, AFK Mining is like Ecstasy while bot mining is crack *******, but the true gateway drug (cannabis) would be mining in any form. Hey hey hey, they have disproven the gateway drug theory about pot. At least make sure your crackpot theories are current, sheesh. :tinfoil: That post was just a 'juvenile portmantitle', whatever that is. Didn't you guys notice a slightly trollish stink on that post?  |

Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
2846
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Posted - 2012.11.06 17:38:00 -
[66] - Quote
The word is portmanteau, it's the use of two words to make a new one. Spork is a good example, it's the combination of spoon and fork in both language and physical form. -á-áThe Likes & Get Likes Thread Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
34
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Posted - 2012.11.06 17:48:00 -
[67] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:The word is portmanteau, it's the use of two words to make a new one. Spork is a good example, it's the combination of spoon and fork in both language and physical form. Another example is 'chortle' which is a combination of 'snort' and 'chuckle' (it was coined by Lewis Carroll in his poem The Jabberwock).
Khergit Deserters wrote:That post was just a 'juvenile portmantitle', whatever that is. Didn't you guys notice a slightly trollish stink on that post?  In future, I don't recommend using a word to describe something and then following it with 'whatever that is'. It significantly increases your chances of making no sense at all.
As Jonah said, the correct word would be 'portmanteau', and my word (portmantitle) was a portmanteau of 'portmanteau' and 'title', because of your use of 'bumpgeoisie', which is a portmanteau of 'bumper' and 'bourgeoisie'.
I hope that clears that up.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
2849
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Posted - 2012.11.06 17:56:00 -
[68] - Quote
Today in GD, people learnt some French  -á-áThe Likes & Get Likes Thread Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Khergit Deserters
Gallente Federation
177
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Posted - 2012.11.06 18:49:00 -
[69] - Quote
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:The word is portmanteau, it's the use of two words to make a new one. Spork is a good example, it's the combination of spoon and fork in both language and physical form. Another example is 'chortle' which is a combination of 'snort' and 'chuckle' (it was coined by Lewis Carroll in his poem The Jabberwock). Khergit Deserters wrote:That post was just a 'juvenile portmantitle', whatever that is. Didn't you guys notice a slightly trollish stink on that post?  In future, I don't recommend using a word to describe something and then following it with 'whatever that is'. It significantly increases your chances of making no sense at all. As Jonah said, the correct word would be 'portmanteau', and my word (portmantitle) was a portmanteau of 'portmanteau' and 'title', because of your use of 'bumpgeoisie', which is a portmanteau of 'bumper' and 'bourgeoisie'. I hope that clears that up. Thank you sir, I know what a portmanteau is. And now, I suggest that you and your portmantitle stop suggesting things. |

Romvex
126
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Posted - 2012.11.06 19:02:00 -
[70] - Quote
this is some of the best player created content i have seen in a while. let the meta war begin   Post with your main |
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Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
36
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Posted - 2012.11.06 19:11:00 -
[71] - Quote
Khergit Deserters wrote:Thank you sir, I know what a portmanteau is. And now, I suggest that you and your portmantitle stop suggesting things. Nice edit. I preferred the first iteration though.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
5416
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Posted - 2012.11.06 19:29:00 -
[72] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Natasha Liao wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Anslo wrote: As for Chribba, of course he isn't the founder. He's too busy being Chribba and manly, whilst swimming in a frozen lake fighting ice dragons and eating their flesh over an open fire with a mug of Meade...
Chribba fanfics..... Please tell me thats not the scene where he is visited by Batman, Robin, and The Mittani for a massive orgy.  Chribba slash fiction ... please tell me I'm not the only one who finds this disturbing. On many levels... It's actually not a fan fic at all. Check his twitter. The guy goes swimming in freezing temperatures in a near frozen lake. Gotta have respect for that  Normal viking days.
/c
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Khergit Deserters
Gallente Federation
178
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Posted - 2012.11.06 19:38:00 -
[73] - Quote
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:Thank you sir, I know what a portmanteau is. And now, I suggest that you and your portmantitle stop suggesting things. Nice edit. I preferred the first iteration though. Came here planning to edit it again and say, "Edit: Smartass comment deleted." Anyway, carry on....  |

NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
32
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Posted - 2012.11.06 21:14:00 -
[74] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Natasha Liao wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Anslo wrote: As for Chribba, of course he isn't the founder. He's too busy being Chribba and manly, whilst swimming in a frozen lake fighting ice dragons and eating their flesh over an open fire with a mug of Meade...
Chribba fanfics..... Please tell me thats not the scene where he is visited by Batman, Robin, and The Mittani for a massive orgy.  Chribba slash fiction ... please tell me I'm not the only one who finds this disturbing. On many levels... It's actually not a fan fic at all. Check his twitter. The guy goes swimming in freezing temperatures in a near frozen lake. Gotta have respect for that  Not once the clothes are off.
So will this involve quotas? Or shall all be free to mine as they please with those in abundance giving to those less so? |

Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
511
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Posted - 2012.11.06 21:20:00 -
[75] - Quote
NEONOVUS wrote: Not once the clothes are off.
So will this involve quotas? Or shall all be free to mine as they please with those in abundance giving to those less so?
I'm sorry if I don't quite understand...are you asking how miners function during this?
If that's the case, they can do whatever they want. All they have to do is resist the bumpers. They don't have to give anything or pay for protection or whatever. That defeats the purpose. If miners choose to help other miners in different way, that's great! It show's a unified front against these extortionists.
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Jeremy Soikutsu
Homeworld Republic Intrepid Crossing
6
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Posted - 2012.11.06 21:23:00 -
[76] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote: In one case your interacting with PEOPLE
Irrelevant, the mechanics by which a bot is achieving it's goal is what makes it a bot, not what it's goal is.
Jenn aSide wrote: and taking actions to will help the economy of the game by removing materials/ships (either yours or the ship of the person your FC called primary)), in the other, you ain't (your just adding yet more material into an over-stuffed game market).
Sophism, I believe the kids call this. I think the most important wrong part of this is the fact that the low-end market is still underserved right now, and even if it wasn't ships don't get built without mins so it's pretty dumb to brush off such a large chunk of of the "Eve lifecycle" like that. |

Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
36
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Posted - 2012.11.06 21:32:00 -
[77] - Quote
Anslo wrote:I'm sorry if I don't quite understand...are you asking how miners function during this?
If that's the case, they can do whatever they want. All they have to do is resist the bumpers. They don't have to give anything or pay for protection or whatever. That defeats the purpose. If miners choose to help other miners in different way, that's great! It show's a unified front against these extortionists.
The term 'proletariat', while being Latin in origin, has come to be associated with ideas like communism and socialism - partly because of the term 'proles' being used in George Orwell's 1984, and partly because Marx himself used it extensively (along with bourgeoisie, and yes, 'bumpgeois' should have an 'ie' on the end).
Basically, he's making a communism joke out of the fact that you chose Marxist terms as the basis of your blog.
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Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
56
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Posted - 2012.11.06 21:34:00 -
[78] - Quote
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Basically, he's making a communism joke out of the fact that you chose Marxist terms as the basis of your blog. If the joke has to be explained to Anslo, it has served its purpose. |

Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
511
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Posted - 2012.11.06 21:38:00 -
[79] - Quote
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote: The term 'proletariat', while being Latin in origin, has come to be associated with ideas like communism and socialism - partly because of the term 'proles' being used in George Orwell's 1984, and partly because Marx himself used it extensively (along with bourgeoisie, and yes, 'bumpgeois' should have an 'ie' on the end).
Basically, he's making a communism joke out of the fact that you chose Marxist terms as the basis of your blog.
Hmm, interesting! Nice 
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Shamus O'Reilly
I Know Right
1
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Posted - 2012.11.06 22:05:00 -
[80] - Quote
Arduemont wrote:Bravo.
Posting in a thread that isn't a whine thread.
Perhaps, after Retribution, you could turn this into a charity. Rich sadistic bastards could put bounties on people using active characters for bumping. Mercs could use the page to know which corps to wardec to get the bounties. Marvellous.
And then said mercs get decshielded mercilessly into an endless annoying pointless war... |
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Natasha Liao
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
33
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Posted - 2012.11.06 22:23:00 -
[81] - Quote
Khergit Deserters wrote:Thank you sir, I know what a portmanteau is. And now, I suggest that you and your portmantitle stop suggesting things. And he was just showing off that he knew ( or could at least work Google ). Why does this always have to be about you?... 
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Lady Capa
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.11.07 01:38:00 -
[82] - Quote
Angel Violette wrote:It is good to see the New Order finally having an effect on these miners ! they're actually talking about resistance! this is what the New order tries to encourage these miners to do ! Leave your Bot aspiring ways and FIGHT! Im sure James will love to hear that his plan is begining to bear fruit.
Hail THE NEW ORDER and long live James 315!!
I was for this when it was against bots but when it turned into extortion it was just another annoying thing that eve does. sadly this won't effect bots bottom line so will not have any impact on ore prices or the amount of bots you see in the betls. the miners it does effect is minimal, just the ones who have no idea how to handle bumping.
I find it strange that null/low sec is so boring that highsec gets so much attention. If this is the best player driven content that eve can muster then we truly are on our last legs. |

Kaylyis
Line Ark Security Armaments LockJaw Inc.
40
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Posted - 2012.11.07 08:57:00 -
[83] - Quote
I'll care about this when you start killing bumpers.
Its easy. do what the gankers do. fit a ship. have yer buddies lock target. fire. kill them. get concordukkened.
Its not hurting your bottom line, it's sending a message.
Past that? Wardecs.
Good hunting |

Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
37
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Posted - 2012.11.07 09:51:00 -
[84] - Quote
Lady Capa wrote:I was for this when it was against bots but when it turned into extortion it was just another annoying thing that eve does. sadly this won't effect bots bottom line so will not have any impact on ore prices or the amount of bots you see in the betls. the miners it does effect is minimal, just the ones who have no idea how to handle bumping. I'm not sure how the fact that we target real miners as well as bots changes the effect that we have on bots.
And as for your ways to 'handle bumping', I'm sure the miners would love it if you could share them. I mean, they've tried some, but none of them seem to have an awful lot of effect.
Lady Capa wrote:I find it strange that null/low sec is so boring that highsec gets so much attention. If this is the best player driven content that eve can muster then we truly are on our last legs. :D :D :D EVE is dying :D
Kaylyis wrote:I'll care about this when you start killing bumpers.
Its easy. do what the gankers do. fit a ship. have yer buddies lock target. fire. kill them. get concordukkened.
Its not hurting your bottom line, it's sending a message.
Past that? Wardecs.
Good hunting It'd be nice to see this, but the main issue is that in terms of ganking, 'get concordukkened.' comes before 'kill them.' for most miners. Also Stabbers are expendable.
And as for wardecs, very few Agents are in the same corp. James 315 has won every war that he's had declared against him, and it'd be very costly to dec more than a couple of other agents. Besides, mining corps do not want a foreverwar with decshield.
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Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
513
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Posted - 2012.11.07 16:13:00 -
[85] - Quote
Lady Capa wrote:
I was for this when it was against bots but when it turned into extortion it was just another annoying thing that eve does. sadly this won't effect bots bottom line so will not have any impact on ore prices or the amount of bots you see in the betls. the miners it does effect is minimal, just the ones who have no idea how to handle bumping.
I find it strange that null/low sec is so boring that highsec gets so much attention. If this is the best player driven content that eve can muster then we truly are on our last legs.
Interesting isn't it? Luckily they don't all think that way 
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
378
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Posted - 2012.11.07 16:51:00 -
[86] - Quote
Lady Capa wrote:Angel Violette wrote:It is good to see the New Order finally having an effect on these miners ! they're actually talking about resistance! this is what the New order tries to encourage these miners to do ! Leave your Bot aspiring ways and FIGHT! Im sure James will love to hear that his plan is begining to bear fruit.
Hail THE NEW ORDER and long live James 315!! I was for this when it was against bots but when it turned into extortion it was just another annoying thing that eve does. sadly this won't effect bots bottom line so will not have any impact on ore prices or the amount of bots you see in the betls. the miners it does effect is minimal, just the ones who have no idea how to handle bumping. I find it strange that null/low sec is so boring that highsec gets so much attention. If this is the best player driven content that eve can muster then we truly are on our last legs.
An example of the bad "black and white" thinking that leads to terrible logic failures. It's asking the question "why can't they just leave other people alone".. The answer to that is because "you're playing EVE" lol. Sandbox MMOs aren't about leaving people alone although many people do, it's about interactions of various kinds and if you don't like interaction, there are LOADS of single player PC and console games you can and should be playing.
In this case it's the idea that null sec must be boring if "null sec people" are spending time messing with high sec people (with a sprinkle of EVE is dying" thrown in for effect lol.
You can go right now to DOTLAN and see loads of activity in null sec. The people doing things in high sec are not necessarily null sec people, but if they are you have no way of knowing if they are dual boxing or not, they could be playing in null sec WHILE bumping a miner lol. The actions of a few people in high sec isn't any kind of indication on how much fun people are or are not having in high sec
People have been screwing with people in high sec since the 1st day of high sec, because that's what people in EVE do, they try to elicit "tears" from other people, and the lone wolf solo miner types are some of the best Tear Targets. Stop being a Tear Target and watch people stop doing things like this.
Benny Ohu: No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Clystan: Eve is the game of chess in a universe of checkers. |

Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
516
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Posted - 2012.11.07 17:36:00 -
[87] - Quote
Or continue to mine and play as you want as it's a game and you can have fun your way without having people you don't want to deal with bother you!
The Proveldtariat website is always looking for new ways to help miners/missioners/"carebears" play the game their way 
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Dervinus
SniggWaffe
97
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Posted - 2012.11.07 17:55:00 -
[88] - Quote
One day I hope I can figure out whose alt Torvin is. His posting is far too epic to be anything but the work of a master. o7 toonies |

Khergit Deserters
Gallente Federation
179
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Posted - 2012.11.07 17:57:00 -
[89] - Quote
The proveldtariat, as the conscious exponent of the mining-class movement, aims at the complete liberation of the toiling miners from every form of oppression and exploitation. The achievement of this objectiveGÇöthe abolition of bumping in the belts and the creation of an undisturbed mining societyGÇöcalls for a very high development of the productive forces of all miners and a high degree of organization of the mining class. Therefore, one of the tasks of the proveldtariat is to prod the miners on, to raise before the whole people slogans calling for a complete revolution, to start working boldly and independently for the realization of these slogansGÇöin a word, to be the vanguard, to take the lead in the struggle for the liberty of the whole of minerdom.
To this end, I will pledge a contribution of 100mil ISK to the furtherance of the struggle against the oppressive Bumpist and Gankist systems. Patriots of the proveldtariot, who will match my pledge? You? How about you over there? |

Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
516
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Posted - 2012.11.07 17:59:00 -
[90] - Quote
Khergit Deserters wrote:The proveldtariat, as the conscious exponent of the mining-class movement, aims at the complete liberation of the toiling miners from every form of oppression and exploitation. The achievement of this objectiveGÇöthe abolition of bumping in the belts and the creation of an undisturbed mining societyGÇöcalls for a very high development of the productive forces of all miners and a high degree of organization of the mining class. Therefore, one of the tasks of the proveldtariat is to prod the miners on, to raise before the whole people slogans calling for a complete revolution, to start working boldly and independently for the realization of these slogansGÇöin a word, to be the vanguard, to take the lead in the struggle for the liberty of the whole of minerdom.
To this end, I will pledge a contribution of 100mil ISK to the furtherance of the struggle against the oppressive Bumpist and Gankist systems. Patriots of the proveldtariot, who will match my pledge? You? How about you over there?
That has to be the most educated and eloquent summation of our goals yet Bravo sir! And thank you for the contribution! It will be put to hard work to defend the Proveldtariat.
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Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
96
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Posted - 2012.11.07 18:27:00 -
[91] - Quote
Why is there no Manifesto on that Site? How can you compete with the New Order if you have no Manifesto? |

Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
516
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Posted - 2012.11.07 18:29:00 -
[92] - Quote
Danks wrote:Why is there no Manifesto on that Site? How can you compete with the New Order if you have no Manifesto?
We're working on it We do not post simply for the sake to compete with the Jones'. If we post, we post with purpose and careful thought. Keep your eyes peeled~
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Johan Civire
Dirty Curse inc.
182
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Posted - 2012.11.07 18:30:00 -
[93] - Quote
o god this threat again.... |

Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
60
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Posted - 2012.11.07 18:39:00 -
[94] - Quote
Anslo wrote:The Proveldtariat website is always looking for new ways to help miners/missioners/"carebears" play the game their way  It'll be interesting when you guys come to the conclusion that one of the best ways to help yourself play EVE is to pay attention to the game. |

Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
516
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Posted - 2012.11.07 18:44:00 -
[95] - Quote
Some Rando wrote:Anslo wrote:The Proveldtariat website is always looking for new ways to help miners/missioners/"carebears" play the game their way  It'll be interesting when you guys come to the conclusion that one of the best ways to help yourself play EVE is to pay attention to the game.
Not really, not being afk is merely an action against those who would infringe on how we choose to play. If it means we need to sit at the computer and fight, then we'll do it. If we have to show you bumpers, griefers, bitter vets, and whatever have you that carebears actually have teeth and claws which can be used in a variety of ways, then we'll do it. With extreme prejudice.
After which we will promptly return to afk mining 
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Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
736
|
Posted - 2012.11.07 18:50:00 -
[96] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote:Did you mean proletariat?
Do you know what that word means?
It is better when prefaced by the word, Lumpen.
I am one of Lenin's 6% This is not a signature. |

Tallian Saotome
Papercut Syndicate
851
|
Posted - 2012.11.07 18:51:00 -
[97] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Some Rando wrote:Anslo wrote:The Proveldtariat website is always looking for new ways to help miners/missioners/"carebears" play the game their way  It'll be interesting when you guys come to the conclusion that one of the best ways to help yourself play EVE is to pay attention to the game. Not really, not being afk is merely an action against those who would infringe on how we choose to play. If it means we need to sit at the computer and fight, then we'll do it. If we have to show you bumpers, griefers, bitter vets, and whatever have you that carebears actually have teeth and claws which can be used in a variety of ways, then we'll do it. With extreme prejudice. After which we will promptly return to afk mining  Bring it.
People have been talking about carebear teeth and claws for years, yet the miners continue to whine, and the few who do man up and pvp end up leaving their carebear ways behind because they have found out that actually playing is actually FUN.
Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |

Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
61
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Posted - 2012.11.07 18:55:00 -
[98] - Quote
Anslo wrote:If we have to show you bumpers, griefers, bitter vets, and whatever have you that carebears actually have teeth and claws If carebears actually had teeth and claws and whatnot, they wouldn't be carebears. vOv |

Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
516
|
Posted - 2012.11.07 19:00:00 -
[99] - Quote
Some Rando wrote:Anslo wrote:If we have to show you bumpers, griefers, bitter vets, and whatever have you that carebears actually have teeth and claws If carebears actually had teeth and claws and whatnot, they wouldn't be carebears. vOv
Fair enough. Refer to us as were bears 
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Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries
374
|
Posted - 2012.11.07 19:10:00 -
[100] - Quote
GD was fun last week but this week it is very boring. |
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
416
|
Posted - 2012.11.07 19:14:00 -
[101] - Quote
Miners couldnt cooperate enough to save each other from ganking by sharing logis (if they had them...hahahhaha) and ive watched miners let other miners die by heavy assault of rats in noobships because they didnt want to send their drones out to help (also read as 'they were AFK'). What makes nayone think they will cooperate with each other, or even pry their wallets open to shell out a few isk, to retake anything? Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |

Natasha Liao
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
34
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Posted - 2012.11.07 19:15:00 -
[102] - Quote
Anslo wrote:The Proveldtariat website is always looking for new ways to help miners/missioners/"carebears" play the game their way  I see a lot of pie-in-the-sky posturing on http://proveldtariat.wordpress.com/ but, much like a certain ex-presidential candidate, you seem a little short on actual 'plans'. Where's the business model? Action items? Bullet points even! I sense a scam of minor proportions in the making here...
Although this did catch my eye: "and the ever popular Hello Kitty Online references.". Only until you bring me back some Hello Kitty Rifter skins, then you're golden in my book. Once you accomplish that most important mission you can go back to AFK ice mining.
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Oopsy Bear
Massively Masochistic Machos
0
|
Posted - 2012.11.07 19:15:00 -
[103] - Quote
I've never understood the intense hatred for miners. These poor, misguided people have chosen to do the most boring thing in all of eve. We should pity them, not bump them.
It is a bit like making fun of the homeless as you drive by. Sure you could, but why bother? |
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ISD TYPE40
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2857

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Posted - 2012.11.07 19:21:00 -
[104] - Quote
Inappropriate reply and link removed from thread. Please remain on topic thank you - ISD Type40. ISD Type40 Lt. Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Khergit Deserters
Gallente Federation
180
|
Posted - 2012.11.07 19:21:00 -
[105] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:Anslo wrote:Some Rando wrote:Anslo wrote:The Proveldtariat website is always looking for new ways to help miners/missioners/"carebears" play the game their way  It'll be interesting when you guys come to the conclusion that one of the best ways to help yourself play EVE is to pay attention to the game. Not really, not being afk is merely an action against those who would infringe on how we choose to play. If it means we need to sit at the computer and fight, then we'll do it. If we have to show you bumpers, griefers, bitter vets, and whatever have you that carebears actually have teeth and claws which can be used in a variety of ways, then we'll do it. With extreme prejudice. After which we will promptly return to afk mining  Bring it. People have been talking about carebear teeth and claws for years, yet the miners continue to whine, and the few who do man up and pvp end up leaving their carebear ways behind because they have found out that actually playing is actually FUN. Those weren't true, professional miners. Just amateurs. Dabblers. Dilettantes. Ham and eggers. |

Undeniable Chuck
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
19
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Posted - 2012.11.07 19:29:00 -
[106] - Quote
How do I report myself as a bumper on your website? |

Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
516
|
Posted - 2012.11.07 19:32:00 -
[107] - Quote
Undeniable Chuck wrote:How do I report myself as a bumper on your website?
Just Eve-Mail me your full API key! You won't have to do anything 
Natasha Liao wrote:I see a lot of pie-in-the-sky posturing on http://proveldtariat.wordpress.com/ but, much like a certain ex-presidential candidate, you seem a little short on actual 'plans'. Where's the business model? Action items? Bullet points even! I sense a scam of minor proportions in the making here...
Now why would I highlight a plan to resist an organization for them to adapt? That's like entering a 1v1 tournament and telling your opponent the week before what you plan to fit! Come on now tsktsk.
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Tallian Saotome
Papercut Syndicate
852
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Posted - 2012.11.07 19:33:00 -
[108] - Quote
Khergit Deserters wrote: Those weren't true, professional miners. Just amateurs. Dabblers. Dilettantes. Ham and eggers.
Fatal Ascension.
Just look at them now.
Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |

Pipa Porto
1233
|
Posted - 2012.11.07 19:54:00 -
[109] - Quote
You're making a list, huh? Are you checking it twice? Gonna find out who's naughty or nice?
Will you know when we are AFK? Will you know when we're ATK? I think you'll find if we've been bad or good, It's not like we've tried to hide.
Anyway, you do realize that all the methods you published on your website are the things the bumpers have been telling you to do for months? In much the same way suicide gankers were telling you how to avoid them and profit from the high prices they promoted.
Oh, and there are 100% effective methods to counter gankers and bumpers (you listed some, even). They just require effort, which is why miners kept trying to dismiss them out of hand.
Good job finally starting to adapt to changing circumstances. It only took 9 months. Congratulations. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

Khergit Deserters
Gallente Federation
181
|
Posted - 2012.11.07 19:57:00 -
[110] - Quote
Oopsy Bear wrote:I've never understood the intense hatred for miners. These poor, misguided people have chosen to do the most boring thing in all of eve. We should pity them, not bump them.
It is a bit like making fun of the homeless as you drive by. Sure you could, but why bother? Right, it's kind of like hating fishermen. Some people sitting there all day with line in the water is boring as hell. Some people live for it. If you want to play raquetball, it doesn't mean you have to worry that somebody might be fishing somewhere. |
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Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
517
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Posted - 2012.11.07 19:58:00 -
[111] - Quote
Pipa Porto wrote:You're making a list, huh? Are you checking it twice? Gonna find out who's naughty or nice? Will you know when we are AFK? Will you know when we're ATK? I think you'll find if we've been bad or good, It's not like we've tried to hide. Anyway, you do realize that all the methods you published on your website are the things the bumpers have been telling you to do for months? In much the same way suicide gankers were telling you how to avoid them and profit from the high prices they promoted. Oh, and there are 100% effective methods to counter gankers and bumpers (you listed some, even). They just require effort, which is why miners kept trying to dismiss them out of hand. Good job finally starting to adapt to changing circumstances. It only took 9 months. Congratulations.
You're very anti fun you know that? It's like you came from a...wormhole...a wormhole based black fun sucking hole. 
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Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
39
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Posted - 2012.11.07 20:40:00 -
[112] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Now why would I highlight a plan to resist an organization for them to adapt? That's like entering a 1v1 tournament and telling your opponent the week before what you plan to fit! Come on now tsktsk. Except that you're not telling your own team either. Good job on that.
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Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
518
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Posted - 2012.11.07 20:43:00 -
[113] - Quote
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Anslo wrote:Now why would I highlight a plan to resist an organization for them to adapt? That's like entering a 1v1 tournament and telling your opponent the week before what you plan to fit! Come on now tsktsk. Except that you're not telling your own team either. Good job on that.
Hmm, I guess I should think of another plan huh? 
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
381
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Posted - 2012.11.07 20:49:00 -
[114] - Quote
Pipa Porto wrote:You're making a list, huh? Are you checking it twice? Gonna find out who's naughty or nice? Will you know when we are AFK? Will you know when we're ATK? I think you'll find if we've been bad or good, It's not like we've tried to hide. Anyway, you do realize that all the methods you published on your website are the things the bumpers have been telling you to do for months? In much the same way suicide gankers were telling you how to avoid them and profit from the high prices they promoted. Oh, and there are 100% effective methods to counter gankers and bumpers (you listed some, even). They just require effort, which is why miners kept trying to dismiss them out of hand. Good job finally starting to adapt to changing circumstances. It only took 9 months. Congratulations.
Minor quibble, I think you mean 9 YEARS.
Benny Ohu: No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Clystan: Eve is the game of chess in a universe of checkers. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
2975
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Posted - 2012.11.07 21:13:00 -
[115] - Quote
Anslo, I would recommend that you recheck your data, your bumper database lists this character as a bumper with a 100mn mwd fleet stabber, this is inaccurate, I am merely a shareholder of the New Order, have never bumped and don't even own a fleet stabber.
If you can find a miner that claims to have been bumped by myself please forward their names to me, I will make sure that I fulfil their desire to have been bumped by me.
Please learn to datamine properly and not make assumptions.
I would leave a comment on your database page, but I'll be damned if I'm signing up for a wordpress account or using my email address to do so. Also you have mail. Blessed are the meek, for they shall be slaughtered -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á---CCP can't patch stupid---
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Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
523
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Posted - 2012.11.07 22:15:00 -
[116] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Anslo, I would recommend that you recheck your data, your bumper database lists this character as a bumper with a 100mn mwd fleet stabber, this is inaccurate, I am merely a shareholder of the New Order, have never bumped and don't even own a fleet stabber.
If you can find a miner that claims to have been bumped by myself please forward their names to me, I will make sure that I fulfil their desire to have been bumped by me.
Please learn to datamine properly and not make assumptions.
I would leave a comment on your database page, but I'll be damned if I'm signing up for a wordpress account or using my email address to do so. Also you have mail.
Hi Jonah.
Your concerns have been noted and a review conducted. Please check your eve mail for further instructions.
Thank you.
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Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy Caldari State
239
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Posted - 2012.11.07 23:11:00 -
[117] - Quote
Yes!!! RETAKE THE ASTER----
Wait, wut!?!!? Oh, never mind... that'll take effort, and time away from Scott Pilgrim playing on the second screen. |

Anuillae Fourneaux
Alternate Opportunities
4
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Posted - 2012.11.08 00:24:00 -
[118] - Quote
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Except that you're not telling your own team either. Good job on that. Or, y'know, perhaps he is, just not telling you about it.
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Lugia3
Shydow Imperium
46
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Posted - 2012.11.08 00:57:00 -
[119] - Quote
I expected better from Anslo. Holeysheet1 for CSNM https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=168477&find=unread |

KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
1063
|
Posted - 2012.11.08 01:03:00 -
[120] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Anslo, I would recommend that you recheck your data, your bumper database lists this character as a bumper with a 100mn mwd fleet stabber, this is inaccurate, I am merely a shareholder of the New Order, have never bumped and don't even own a fleet stabber. I have the same but opposite problem. I am merely a shareholder of the New Order, have never bumped and don't even own a fleet stabber, however I would like to be added as a bumper to your list. I'm not on enough watchlists already, you see.
Also, my griefing has been slacking lately and I could use the motivation. www.minerbumping.com - because your tears are delicious |
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Nanatoa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
145
|
Posted - 2012.11.08 01:09:00 -
[121] - Quote
I haven't been out much lately, but you can list me in your Bumper Tracker with a 10 MN MWD Stabber Fleet Issue (though I'm considering upgrading to a 100 MN MWD). It is never too late to turn from the errors of your ways: He who repents of his sins is almost innocent.
MinerBumping.com |

Galaxy Pig
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
67
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Posted - 2012.11.08 01:18:00 -
[122] - Quote
Bwahahaha! Miners could never fight back, NOT EVEN IF THEY TRIED! (another thing that would never happen) They are phytoplankton and will remain such. Phytoplankton cannot wage war, all they can do is suck up base resources and convert it into nutrients for predators. |

Lugia3
Shydow Imperium
46
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Posted - 2012.11.08 01:31:00 -
[123] - Quote
Nanatoa wrote:I haven't been out much lately, but you can list me in your Bumper Tracker with a 10 MN MWD Stabber Fleet Issue (though I'm considering upgrading to a 100 MN MWD).
My normal Stabber with a 100mn MWD can bump orca's to 1 km/s. Do it! Holeysheet1 for CSNM https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=168477&find=unread |

Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
2984
|
Posted - 2012.11.08 01:41:00 -
[124] - Quote
The database entry is now correct, I am now listed as a proud supporter and shareholder of the New Order , all is right with my world now. I simply will not tolerate erroneous data, if it's going to be used it must be correct. Blessed are the meek, for they shall be slaughtered -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á---CCP can't patch stupid---
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Crazey Monkey
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
1
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Posted - 2012.11.08 01:50:00 -
[125] - Quote
Shamus O'Reilly wrote:Arduemont wrote:Bravo.
Posting in a thread that isn't a whine thread.
Perhaps, after Retribution, you could turn this into a charity. Rich sadistic bastards could put bounties on people using active characters for bumping. Mercs could use the page to know which corps to wardec to get the bounties. Marvellous. And then said mercs get decshielded mercilessly into an endless annoying pointless war... 
Most aggressive corps are already sucked into Dec shield. However I can't see any respectable merc war deccing the bumpers corps due to them being so spread out, just like how nobody can war dec all the miners.
I find it amusing though how miners think mercs will just come alone and solve all their problems though. |

Natasha Liao
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
35
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Posted - 2012.11.08 02:39:00 -
[126] - Quote
Crazey Monkey wrote:[I find it amusing though how miners think mercs will just come alone and solve all their problems though. I can see all the merc types jumping to loose a ship and collect a small percentage of a bounty. Probably worse pay than suicide ganking a mining barge. Oh wait ... should I have not said that out loud? |

Johan Civire
Dirty Curse inc.
183
|
Posted - 2012.11.08 02:41:00 -
[127] - Quote
Let me grap some popcorn... now where was i.... |

Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
2986
|
Posted - 2012.11.08 02:58:00 -
[128] - Quote
Natasha Liao wrote:Crazey Monkey wrote:[I find it amusing though how miners think mercs will just come alone and solve all their problems though. I can see all the merc types jumping to loose a ship and collect a small percentage of a bounty. Probably worse pay than suicide ganking a mining barge. Oh wait ... should I have not said that out loud?
Personally I hope that the miners do hire mercs to do their dirty work, if I was in that business I would quite happily take their money, then gank them for shiggles, outrage, tears and of course the chance to steal a Paul Clavet line "Suddenly Betrayal" Blessed are the meek, for they shall be slaughtered -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á---CCP can't patch stupid---
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1706
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Posted - 2012.11.08 04:20:00 -
[129] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Natasha Liao wrote:Crazey Monkey wrote:[I find it amusing though how miners think mercs will just come alone and solve all their problems though. I can see all the merc types jumping to loose a ship and collect a small percentage of a bounty. Probably worse pay than suicide ganking a mining barge. Oh wait ... should I have not said that out loud? Personally I hope that the miners do hire mercs to do their dirty work, if I was in that line of business I would quite happily take their money, then gank them for shiggles, outrage, tears and of course the chance to steal a Suddenly Ninjas catchphrase, oft uttered by the legendary ninja Paul Clavet. "Suddenly Betrayal" Ooh, it's almost as if EVE was a harsh cold void, much like space.
Also, it slows you down, again like space ... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Anuillae Fourneaux
Alternate Opportunities
5
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Posted - 2012.11.08 08:53:00 -
[130] - Quote
Crazey Monkey wrote:I find it amusing though how miners think mercs will just come alone and solve all their problems though. Did anyone ever say anything about relying on mercenaries? If so, could you please link it, because honestly I must have missed it.
Nanatoa wrote:I haven't been out much lately, but you can list me in your Bumper Tracker with a 10 MN MWD Stabber Fleet Issue (though I'm considering upgrading to a 100 MN MWD). Oh, you were on the list, but you got taken down because we didn't think you were much of a threat. Maybe we'll reconsider that stance if we get any more intel.
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Miners couldnt cooperate enough to save each other from ganking by sharing logis (if they had them...hahahhaha) and ive watched miners let other miners die by heavy assault of rats in noobships because they didnt want to send their drones out to help (also read as 'they were AFK'). What makes nayone think they will cooperate with each other, or even pry their wallets open to shell out a few isk, to retake anything? Keep thinking that :)
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TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc
488
|
Posted - 2012.11.08 09:13:00 -
[131] - Quote
Still waiting for these mining scum to actually do something against the New Order other than forumpost.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
3024
|
Posted - 2012.11.08 09:22:00 -
[132] - Quote
They made a list I'm on it so mining santa won't be visiting me this year  Blessed are the meek, for they shall be slaughtered -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á---CCP can't patch stupid---
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
972
|
Posted - 2012.11.08 11:17:00 -
[133] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:They made a list  I'm on it so mining santa won't be visiting me this year 
They promised their rebel miners a tracking tool. Instead they got a spreadsheet.
Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |

TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc
490
|
Posted - 2012.11.08 11:19:00 -
[134] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:They made a list  I'm on it so mining santa won't be visiting me this year  They promised their rebel miners a tracking tool. Instead they got a spreadsheet.
A tracking tool? Do they realise there's a thing called locator agents? |

Pyotr Kamarovi
EVE University Ivy League
12
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Posted - 2012.11.08 11:24:00 -
[135] - Quote
Down, you dirty proles! Down!
But seriously - proveldtariat? That's a monstrosity of a creation, couldn't you have just used "proletariat"? I mean, sure, it's less EVE-themed, but at least it's easily pronounced.
My commendation for actually doing something that didn't involve whining to CCP and petitioning bumpers, though. |

Nanatoa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
148
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Posted - 2012.11.08 11:54:00 -
[136] - Quote
Anuillae Fourneaux wrote:Nanatoa wrote:I haven't been out much lately, but you can list me in your Bumper Tracker with a 10 MN MWD Stabber Fleet Issue (though I'm considering upgrading to a 100 MN MWD). Oh, you were on the list, but you got taken down because we didn't think you were much of a threat. Maybe we'll reconsider that stance if we get any more intel.
Not much of a threat? I am one of the top shareholders (1.337 billion invested) and fly a Stabber Fleet Issue! How much more of threat do you want me to be?! We do what we must, because we can.
MinerBumping.com |

Anuillae Fourneaux
Alternate Opportunities
5
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Posted - 2012.11.08 12:44:00 -
[137] - Quote
Nanatoa wrote:Not much of a threat? I am one of the top shareholders (1.337 billion invested) and fly a Stabber Fleet Issue! How much more of threat do you want me to be?! *Shrug* What can I say? Compared to prolific and dangerous bumpers such as Kainotomiu Ronuken, Tubrug1 and James 315, we get hardly any intelligence about you.
If you want to be on our super-prestigious list, I'm afraid you'll just have to step up your game a bit.
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Pipa Porto
1236
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Posted - 2012.11.08 12:50:00 -
[138] - Quote
Anslo wrote:You're very anti fun you know that? It's like you came from a...wormhole...a wormhole based black fun sucking hole. 
In what way am I anti-fun?
If I were anti-fun, I would point out that people have tried making public lists of suicide gankers, pirates, and other people that bothered them in HS before in an attempt to dissuade them without actually, y'know, doing something about them. It was significantly less effective than literally doing nothing.
Know why? Because the lists either don't affect the people listed or encourage them, depending on how much attention motivates them.
Instead, I simply pointed out that you copied some of your adaptations from the advice of the people you're railing against. By the way, some of your "adaptations" don't work. At all. So I guess not much has changed. Miners still fundamentally don't understand the game they play, and can't even be bothered make the effort to understand it's mechanics.
Furthermore, in what way is your "plan" fun? You're making a list. So far as I can tell, you're not doing anything with it. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
371
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Posted - 2012.11.08 12:55:00 -
[139] - Quote
Ghazu wrote:Some Rando wrote:Silly rabbit, miners don't fight back. THEY ARE MAKING A LIST!
Don't give him your name! "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |

Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
371
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Posted - 2012.11.08 12:56:00 -
[140] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Undeniable Chuck wrote:How do I report myself as a bumper on your website? Just Eve-Mail me your full API key! You won't have to do anything 
Never not double post.
Also, best scam ever. "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
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Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
45
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Posted - 2012.11.08 12:57:00 -
[141] - Quote
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:Ghazu wrote:Some Rando wrote: Silly rabbit, miners don't fight back.
THEY ARE MAKING A LIST! Don't give him your name! They already got my name oh what shall I do?
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:Anslo wrote:Just Eve-Mail me your full API key! You won't have to do anything  Never not double post. Also, best scam ever. I did this. Are you saying I did wrong?
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Nanatoa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
148
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Posted - 2012.11.08 13:19:00 -
[142] - Quote
Anuillae Fourneaux wrote:*Shrug* What can I say? Compared to prolific and dangerous bumpers such as Kainotomiu Ronuken, Tubrug1 and James 315, we get hardly any intelligence about you.
If you want to be on our super-prestigious list, I'm afraid you'll just have to step up your game a bit.
But even Jonah Gravenstein made it to your list! Surely I am more important/dangerous than him? He only has 70 shares!
(Or is it your goal to sow dissension within the Miner Bumping community? You want me to envy Jonah Gravenstein even though I am clearly better than him?) We do what we must, because we can.
MinerBumping.com |

Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
3031
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Posted - 2012.11.08 13:31:00 -
[143] - Quote
Nanatoa wrote:Anuillae Fourneaux wrote:*Shrug* What can I say? Compared to prolific and dangerous bumpers such as Kainotomiu Ronuken, Tubrug1 and James 315, we get hardly any intelligence about you.
If you want to be on our super-prestigious list, I'm afraid you'll just have to step up your game a bit. But even Jonah Gravenstein made it to your list! Surely I am more important/dangerous than him? He only has 70 shares! (Or is it your goal to sow dissension within the Miner Bumping community? You want me to envy Jonah Gravenstein even though I am clearly better than him?)
I did it without bumping a single miner to , I blame AFK data-mining, to add insult to injury they even got my details wrong , I had to correct them.
Damn bureaucrats, they clearly have no idea what they're doing, for some reason they started with a ickle fish like me, not the bigger fish, maybe they're scared of you Nanatoa. Blessed are the meek, for they shall be slaughtered -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á---CCP can't patch stupid---
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sackofdung Sasen
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.11.08 13:31:00 -
[144] - Quote
If you miners are so worried about being bumped, why dont you just surround yourself with giant secure containers. It wont stop bumping completely but at the very least they wont be able to get straight shot at you and when they hit you you will be stopped by the anchored container. When i say surround i mean leaving no holes open, but at the same time allowing some room inside your "bubble" to maneuver for warp outs and ins. Just a thought dont crucify me. :) |

Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
407
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Posted - 2012.11.08 13:33:00 -
[145] - Quote
Pipa Porto wrote:You're making a list. So far as I can tell, you're not doing anything with it. No you don't understand
Quote:Our goal is to develop a database of all bumpers. All of them. Where they go, what they fly, what they do. We will publish it for all miners to see. What they choose to do with that information is liberty of choice to them. We look forward to its creative uses. they are doing something very specific with the list: asking other people to do something with it
ps bumpers go to new order ice belts, they fly bumping ships, and what they do is bumping
Nanatoa wrote: I am one of the top shareholders (1.337 billion invested) i have intelligence the proveldthing has purchased one (1) share on behalf on Nanatoa, your plans are ruined |

Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
528
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Posted - 2012.11.08 13:36:00 -
[146] - Quote
Pipa Porto wrote:rabble rabble Jeesh calm down, it's just some of me poking fun at you  I think your rage from the forum moderation thread is seeping into everything else you post.
sackofdung Sasen wrote:If you miners are so worried about being bumped, why dont you just surround yourself with giant secure containers. It wont stop bumping completely but at the very least they wont be able to get straight shot at you and when they hit you you will be stopped by the anchored container. When i say surround i mean leaving no holes open, but at the same time allowing some room inside your "bubble" to maneuver for warp outs and ins. Just a thought dont crucify me. :)
Placing such a construct wouldn't be easy, but man would it be interesting O_O
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Speedkermit Damo
TETRA-HEDRON
8
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Posted - 2012.11.08 14:16:00 -
[147] - Quote
Why don't all the miners organise themselves and simply go on strike? Think of the effect on the Eve economy.
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Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
46
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Posted - 2012.11.08 14:18:00 -
[148] - Quote
Speedkermit Damo wrote:Why don't all the miners organise themselves and simply go on strike? Think of the effect on the Eve economy.
Can you imagine the difficulty they'd have persuading thousands of individuals to stop making money?
Wouldn't work.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
3038
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Posted - 2012.11.08 14:20:00 -
[149] - Quote
Unless Anslo is willing to act like a union and pay them to go on strike  Blessed are the meek, for they shall be slaughtered -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á---CCP can't patch stupid---
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Speedkermit Damo
TETRA-HEDRON
8
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Posted - 2012.11.08 14:21:00 -
[150] - Quote
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Speedkermit Damo wrote:Why don't all the miners organise themselves and simply go on strike? Think of the effect on the Eve economy.
Can you imagine the difficulty they'd have persuading thousands of individuals to stop making money? Wouldn't work.
While the miners were on strike, they could always find something else to do. Mission-running, exploration, maybe even PvP!!! I have heard that there are other activities besides mining that make ISK. |
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Unit CA108AF
Unit Commune Celestial Imperative
1
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Posted - 2012.11.08 15:17:00 -
[151] - Quote
ISK sent to support your efforts. Good luck o7 |

Natasha Liao
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
38
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Posted - 2012.11.08 15:19:00 -
[152] - Quote
Speedkermit Damo wrote:While the miners were on strike, they could always find something else to do. Mission-running, exploration, maybe even PvP!!! I have heard that there are other activities besides mining that make ISK. Lies! Not just lies, but damn lies!! Miners shout from the roof tops ( or post in GD, which ever the case may be ) that mining is the ONLY activity in Eve. All the rest of us are just misguided fools playing some shadow of the real game.
I also remember reading that in the beginning Eve was just pretty much a space mining sim, so they may have a point...  |

Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
373
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Posted - 2012.11.08 15:25:00 -
[153] - Quote
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote: I did this. Are you saying I did wrong?
If you weren't in Dreddit I'd tell you no and to send me your API key so I could go through all your EVE mails, transactions and asset holdings to make you my personal unwitting spy.
As you are blue to me I'd tell you to cancel any full API keys you have given out to anyone who isn't you alliance leader.
Unless your post was ironic. In which case no, it's fine TEST Alliance mails are mainly rubbish jokes about genitals from what I have seen anyway. "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |

Robert De'Arneth
267
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Posted - 2012.11.08 15:42:00 -
[154] - Quote
Man, we took 89 miners to mine ICE for our POS, not one got bumped, I can see the miner bumpers are having an effect. We were going to have a contest, the one who got bumped the farthest would win 200 million ISK. Thanks for being so ineffective. I'm a nerd, you can check my stats!! Skilling Int/Mem at 45 sp per minute is how I mack!-á-á-á-á I'm like a lapdog, all bark no bite.-á |

Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
64
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Posted - 2012.11.08 15:50:00 -
[155] - Quote
Robert De'Arneth wrote:Man, we took 89 miners to mine ICE for our POS, not one got bumped, I can see the miner bumpers are having an effect. We were going to have a contest, the one who got bumped the farthest would win 200 million ISK. Thanks for being so ineffective. This didn't happen. |

Anuillae Fourneaux
Alternate Opportunities
10
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Posted - 2012.11.08 15:59:00 -
[156] - Quote
Some Rando wrote:Robert De'Arneth wrote:Man, we took 89 miners to mine ICE for our POS, not one got bumped, I can see the miner bumpers are having an effect. We were going to have a contest, the one who got bumped the farthest would win 200 million ISK. Thanks for being so ineffective. This didn't happen. I'm tempted to agree.
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Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
48
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Posted - 2012.11.08 16:56:00 -
[157] - Quote
Anuillae Fourneaux wrote:Some Rando wrote:Robert De'Arneth wrote:Man, we took 89 miners to mine ICE for our POS, not one got bumped, I can see the miner bumpers are having an effect. We were going to have a contest, the one who got bumped the farthest would win 200 million ISK. Thanks for being so ineffective. This didn't happen. I'm tempted to agree. Same. What is this?
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:Unless your post was ironic. In which case no, it's fine TEST Alliance mails are mainly rubbish jokes about genitals from what I have seen anyway. Actually they're literally all notifications about people selling their characters on the character bazaar. Boring as heck.
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Tallian Saotome
Papercut Syndicate
854
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Posted - 2012.11.08 17:00:00 -
[158] - Quote
Natasha Liao wrote:Speedkermit Damo wrote:While the miners were on strike, they could always find something else to do. Mission-running, exploration, maybe even PvP!!! I have heard that there are other activities besides mining that make ISK. Lies! Not just lies, but damn lies!! Miners shout from the roof tops ( or post in GD, which ever the case may be ) that mining is the ONLY activity in Eve. All the rest of us are just misguided fools playing some shadow of the real game. I also remember reading that in the beginning Eve was just pretty much a space mining sim, so they may have a point...  Thats funny, because way back when I started in 06, the story was that the game was originally written and designed by some bored griefers who were pissed at all the anti-griefing rules in other MMOs, and wanted to make a cut throat game where griefing was a core part of the game.
Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
3051
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Posted - 2012.11.08 17:11:00 -
[159] - Quote
If I remember correctly a lot of the original devs were UO players
Mittens wrote:CCP began as a tiny group of former Ultima Online buddies who decided that they wanted to create their own game. They didn't have a tremendous amount of startup capital; by modern standards, the game was developed on a shoestring budget.
When it was released, EVE could barely be called a game at all. It was a pure sandbox design, with only a smattering of content. The learning curve was vertical, the tutorials a disaster, and sales and the subscriber curve abysmal.
If EVE was released today by a AAA publisher, the plug would have been pulled on the servers inside of a month and the developers themselves summarily executed.
Yet with a bare-bones game, CCP managed to eventually grow and prosper. Why? It wasn't a matter of pure random luck. EVE as it was released was a mostly-empty sandbox, where the focus of the endgame was on player conflicts not presided over by the devs.
Taken from an article on Gamasutra Blessed are the meek, for they shall be slaughtered -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á---CCP can't patch stupid---
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Khergit Deserters
Gallente Federation
185
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Posted - 2012.11.08 17:15:00 -
[160] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Nanatoa wrote:Anuillae Fourneaux wrote:*Shrug* What can I say? Compared to prolific and dangerous bumpers such as Kainotomiu Ronuken, Tubrug1 and James 315, we get hardly any intelligence about you.
If you want to be on our super-prestigious list, I'm afraid you'll just have to step up your game a bit. But even Jonah Gravenstein made it to your list! Surely I am more important/dangerous than him? He only has 70 shares! (Or is it your goal to sow dissension within the Miner Bumping community? You want me to envy Jonah Gravenstein even though I am clearly better than him?) I did it without bumping a single miner to  , I blame AFK data-mining, to add insult to injury they even got my details wrong  , I had to correct them. Damn bureaucrats, they clearly have no idea what they're doing, for some reason they started with a ickle fish like me, not the bigger fish, maybe they're scared of you Nanatoa. In the initial stage of the revolution, we must first deeply plough the soil, uproot age-old prejudices, and awaken thousands of miners, haulers, industrialists, and other oppressed workers to political life and political struggle and reveal to each otherGÇöand to the worldGÇöall classes of society in their true character and in the true alignment of their interests, their forces, their modes of action, and their immediate and ultimate aims. Only after this task is done may we commence refining our activities in organizing, collecting information, and identifying and correcting the principal parties and Bumpists. The revolution does not spring fully leafed and bloomed overnight-- it must be cultivated, seeded, and nurtured, to maturity, with the proveldtariat as the initial ploughman and caretaker. Kid:-á I wish we had time to bury them fellas. Josey Wales:-á To hell with them fellas. Buzzards gotta eat, same as worms.
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Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
48
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Posted - 2012.11.08 17:20:00 -
[161] - Quote
Khergit Deserters wrote:In the initial stage of the revolution, we must first deeply plough the soil, uproot age-old prejudices, and awaken thousands of miners, haulers, industrialists, and other oppressed workers to political life and political struggle and reveal to each otherGÇöand to the worldGÇöall classes of society in their true character and in the true alignment of their interests, their forces, their modes of action, and their immediate and ultimate aims. Only after this task is done may we commence refining our activities in organizing, collecting information, and identifying and correcting the principal parties and Bumpists. The revolution does not spring fully leafed and bloomed overnight-- it must be cultivated, seeded, and nurtured, to maturity, with the proveldtariat as the initial ploughman and caretaker. Sorry, but what? I mean, I understand the general gist of that paragraph, but I'm not sure how it related to the words you quoted.
Unless you were trying to say 'We need to get people involved before we can do things properly'. In which case why have you started doing things un-properly?
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KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
1067
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Posted - 2012.11.08 17:23:00 -
[162] - Quote
He's saying he needs to be deeply plowed to attempt it. www.minerbumping.com - because your tears are delicious |

Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
65
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Posted - 2012.11.08 17:24:00 -
[163] - Quote
Khergit Deserters wrote:The revolution does not spring fully leafed and bloomed overnight-- it must be cultivated, seeded, and nurtured, to maturity, with the proveldtariat as the initial ploughman and caretaker. In other words, it's gonna be another nine years before content is created. |

Anya Solette
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.11.08 17:24:00 -
[164] - Quote
Torvin Yulus wrote:Your days of living under the oppressive rule of the tyranical overlords are numbered. http://proveldtariat.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/bumpgeois-tracking/We are the proveldtariat and we will retake the ice belts. the ice belts do not belong to the bumpers, or to anyone else. we are the people and the people own the means of production, not the tyrants. Contact myself or "Anslo" for more information about the resistance movement. Together We can work for a better Morrow and retake what we are entitled to. We are the miners, we are the future.
hahahahahaha  |

Zak Fey
Midget Stripper's Union
3
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Posted - 2012.11.08 17:49:00 -
[165] - Quote
KrakizBad wrote:He's saying he needs to be deeply plowed to attempt it. I also think we have to bury our seed deeply somewhere too. |

Casanunda
Irreverent Industries
33
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Posted - 2012.11.08 17:58:00 -
[166] - Quote
Miners are reaping what they sowed, complete apathy from themselves and derision from those of us who care.
The answers to all the miners woes are obvious, don't AKF, don't bot, purchase a permit from your local representative of the New Order, we're not Ogres we simply care and wish to expand your gaming horizons to include social interaction and the realisation that this is not a single player game. Mine ice by all means, just make sure that you are in compliance with the code, that you interact with others and respect that others are able to interfere in what you're doing. www.minerbumping.com death to afk miners and the proveldtariat. |

Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
529
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Posted - 2012.11.08 18:00:00 -
[167] - Quote
It's pretty interesting to see how much a seemingly innocuous "pubbie" and non-threatening resistance is bringing up so much rage and denouncement. Fascinating 
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Natasha Liao
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
40
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Posted - 2012.11.08 18:04:00 -
[168] - Quote
KrakizBad wrote:He's saying he needs to be deeply plowed to attempt it. I took it as 'bury them deep'...
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Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.11.08 18:14:00 -
[169] - Quote
Anslo wrote:It's pretty interesting to see how much a seemingly innocuous "pubbie" and non-threatening resistance is bringing up so much rage and denouncement. Fascinating 
Yes, so much rage and denouncement that you had to make a website filled with communist propaganda to fully express it. That is indeed interesting.
Wait, why are you making fun of yourself? |

Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
529
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Posted - 2012.11.08 18:29:00 -
[170] - Quote
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:Anslo wrote:It's pretty interesting to see how much a seemingly innocuous "pubbie" and non-threatening resistance is bringing up so much rage and denouncement. Fascinating  Yes, so much rage and denouncement that you had to make a website filled with communist propaganda to fully express it. That is indeed interesting. Wait, why are you making fun of yourself?
Communism best-munism 
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Robert De'Arneth
269
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Posted - 2012.11.08 18:46:00 -
[171] - Quote
Casanunda wrote:Miners are reaping what they sowed, complete apathy from themselves and derision from those of us who care.
The answers to all the miners woes are obvious, don't AKF, don't bot, purchase a permit from your local representative of the New Order, we're not Ogres we simply care and wish to expand your gaming horizons to include social interaction and the realisation that this is not a single player game. Mine ice by all means, just make sure that you are in compliance with the code, that you interact with others and respect that others are able to interfere in what you're doing.
Stuff your code. I would still like to see you fools ever force me to pay you 1 isk. I mean,I keep seeing you people say you are going to. We mined Ice last night in a system that had 131 miners, and no one paid 1 isk for that. In fact had you fools tried to make us pay, we would laugh at you for being fools. You guys never seem to explain how you can force people to pay you, maybe you will not be like your other fools in arms and explain it. By the way most of that mining was AFK.
In order to enforce something, you need the tools to do so, so there is no need to answer, because the answer is real simple, you cannot do squat. Keep living in some dream world where you can do something. You guys are always good for giggles. I'm a nerd, you can check my stats!! Skilling Int/Mem at 45 sp per minute is how I mack!-á-á-á-á I'm like a lapdog, all bark no bite.-á |

Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
529
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Posted - 2012.11.08 18:50:00 -
[172] - Quote
Robert De'Arneth wrote: I mean,I keep seeing you people say you are going to. We mined Ice last night in a system that had 131 miners,...
While your resistance is notable...you said in another post that it was 89 miners 
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Robert De'Arneth
269
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Posted - 2012.11.08 18:53:00 -
[173] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Robert De'Arneth wrote: I mean,I keep seeing you people say you are going to. We mined Ice last night in a system that had 131 miners,... While your resistance is notable...you said in another post that it was 89 miners 
No, I think I said we took 89 miners, there was a total of 131 miners. Only the 89 were in line for the 200 million bump bonus. At any rate 89 of the miners were known people.
My post is below.
Man, we took 89 miners to mine ICE for our POS, not one got bumped, I can see the miner bumpers are having an effect. We were going to have a contest, the one who got bumped the farthest would win 200 million ISK. Thanks for being so ineffective. I'm a nerd, you can check my stats!! Skilling Int/Mem at 45 sp per minute is how I mack!-á-á-á-á I'm like a lapdog, all bark no bite.-á |

Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
3069
|
Posted - 2012.11.08 19:06:00 -
[174] - Quote
Robert De'Arneth wrote: Stuff your code.  I would still like to see you fools ever force me to pay you 1 isk. I mean,I keep seeing you people say you are going to. We mined Ice last night in a system that had 131 miners, and no one paid 1 isk for that. In fact had you fools tried to make us pay, we would laugh at you for being fools. You guys never seem to explain how you can force people to pay you, maybe you will not be like your other fools in arms and explain it.  By the way most of that mining was AFK. In order to enforce something, you need the tools to do so, so there is no need to answer, because the answer is real simple, you cannot do squat.  Keep living in some dream world where you can do something.  You guys are always good for giggles.
If you have a desire to see the code at work please inform a representative of the New Order where and when you next carry out an AFK mining op, the system you were mining in may not be one in which they are currently carrying out operations, in which case you got lucky.
The method of enforcement is to deny you the ability to complete cycles, this has been explained many times before and is reasonably effective, the New Order work with the limited tools at their disposal and within the constraints of the EULA.
Blessed are the meek, for they shall be slaughtered -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á---CCP can't patch stupid---
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Robert De'Arneth
269
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Posted - 2012.11.08 19:15:00 -
[175] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Robert De'Arneth wrote: Stuff your code.  I would still like to see you fools ever force me to pay you 1 isk. I mean,I keep seeing you people say you are going to. We mined Ice last night in a system that had 131 miners, and no one paid 1 isk for that. In fact had you fools tried to make us pay, we would laugh at you for being fools. You guys never seem to explain how you can force people to pay you, maybe you will not be like your other fools in arms and explain it.  By the way most of that mining was AFK. In order to enforce something, you need the tools to do so, so there is no need to answer, because the answer is real simple, you cannot do squat.  Keep living in some dream world where you can do something.  You guys are always good for giggles. If you have a desire to see the code at work please inform a representative of the New Order where and when you next carry out an AFK mining op, the system you were mining in may not be one in which they are currently carrying out operations, in which case you got lucky. The method of enforcement is to deny you the ability to complete cycles, this has been explained many times before and is reasonably effective, the New Order work with the limited tools at their disposal and within the constraints of the EULA.
I will be mining where ever I feel like mining, you know like CCP says I can. If you want to find us, you will need my other accounts, since this one does not do much but post. I wish you luck in that, but know this, I will continue to AFK mine, and the funny thing is, you cannot stop it ever!! I am not sure what is funnier, the fact that you think you can have an effect, or the fact that you spend time doing something that will have no effect. I will get back to when I decide. I'm a nerd, you can check my stats!! Skilling Int/Mem at 45 sp per minute is how I mack!-á-á-á-á I'm like a lapdog, all bark no bite.-á |

KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
1068
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Posted - 2012.11.08 19:17:00 -
[176] - Quote
Robert De'Arneth wrote:Anslo wrote:Robert De'Arneth wrote: I mean,I keep seeing you people say you are going to. We mined Ice last night in a system that had 131 miners,... While your resistance is notable...you said in another post that it was 89 miners  No, I think I said we took 89 miners, there was a total of 131 miners. Only the 89 were in line for the 200 million bump bonus. At any rate 89 of the miners were known people. My post is below. Man, we took 89 miners to mine ICE for our POS, not one got bumped, I can see the miner bumpers are having an effect. We were going to have a contest, the one who got bumped the farthest would win 200 million ISK. Thanks for being so ineffective. Next Next post it will be 220 AFK miners he had. www.minerbumping.com - because your tears are delicious |

Robert De'Arneth
270
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Posted - 2012.11.08 19:25:00 -
[177] - Quote
KrakizBad wrote:Robert De'Arneth wrote:Anslo wrote:Robert De'Arneth wrote: I mean,I keep seeing you people say you are going to. We mined Ice last night in a system that had 131 miners,... While your resistance is notable...you said in another post that it was 89 miners  No, I think I said we took 89 miners, there was a total of 131 miners. Only the 89 were in line for the 200 million bump bonus. At any rate 89 of the miners were known people. My post is below. Man, we took 89 miners to mine ICE for our POS, not one got bumped, I can see the miner bumpers are having an effect. We were going to have a contest, the one who got bumped the farthest would win 200 million ISK. Thanks for being so ineffective. Next Next post it will be 220 AFK miners he had.
Nope, it will still be 89. I have no need to change the number from the number that went. At least I do not like act like bumping will do something, that would be quite pathetic. But thanks for taking time out of your bumping duties to post. Kind of boring I bet. Now get back to pretending you are saving the universe from the Evil miner. I'm a nerd, you can check my stats!! Skilling Int/Mem at 45 sp per minute is how I mack!-á-á-á-á I'm like a lapdog, all bark no bite.-á |

Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
66
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Posted - 2012.11.08 19:38:00 -
[178] - Quote
Robert De'Arneth wrote:My post is below.
Man, we took 89 miners to mine ICE for our POS, not one got bumped, I can see the miner bumpers are having an effect. We were going to have a contest, the one who got bumped the farthest would win 200 million ISK. Thanks for being so ineffective. So, uh, you and your 88 friends mined ICE for the POS you all share, huh? |

Robert De'Arneth
270
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Posted - 2012.11.08 19:46:00 -
[179] - Quote
Some Rando wrote:Robert De'Arneth wrote:My post is below.
Man, we took 89 miners to mine ICE for our POS, not one got bumped, I can see the miner bumpers are having an effect. We were going to have a contest, the one who got bumped the farthest would win 200 million ISK. Thanks for being so ineffective. So, uh, you and your 88 friends mined ICE for the POS you all share, huh?
No. I myself have 13 accounts, and even though I had only 9 in the op I still consider myself one person. As to how many real people,that is really none of your concern. But everyone had at least 5 accounts. Or are you going to suggest we do not somehow have the right to have multiple accounts? And the point is, the bumpers will never stop this from going on. Hope that helped clear up the number of people that went. Thanks for posting and you have a nice day sir!!
13 is my lucky number by the way, in case you had any questions as to why the number 13.  I'm a nerd, you can check my stats!! Skilling Int/Mem at 45 sp per minute is how I mack!-á-á-á-á I'm like a lapdog, all bark no bite.-á |

Anuillae Fourneaux
Alternate Opportunities
12
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Posted - 2012.11.08 19:48:00 -
[180] - Quote
Robert De'Arneth wrote:No. I myself have 13 accounts, and even though I had only 9 in the op I still consider myself one person. As to how many real people,that is really none of your concern. But everyone had at least 5 accounts. Or are you going to suggest we do not somehow have the right to have multiple accounts? And the point is, the bumpers will never stop this from going on. Hope that helped clear up the number of people that went. Thanks for posting and you have a nice day sir!!  13 is my lucky number by the way, in case you had any questions as to why the number 13.  Dude that's so hipster.
13 was my lucky number when I was 11.
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Robert De'Arneth
270
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Posted - 2012.11.08 19:56:00 -
[181] - Quote
Anuillae Fourneaux wrote:Robert De'Arneth wrote:No. I myself have 13 accounts, and even though I had only 9 in the op I still consider myself one person. As to how many real people,that is really none of your concern. But everyone had at least 5 accounts. Or are you going to suggest we do not somehow have the right to have multiple accounts? And the point is, the bumpers will never stop this from going on. Hope that helped clear up the number of people that went. Thanks for posting and you have a nice day sir!!  13 is my lucky number by the way, in case you had any questions as to why the number 13.  Dude that's so hipster. 13 was my lucky number when I was 11.
So now I am not only a liar, but having 13 as a lucky number is somehow immature? I assume that is what you attempted, never can tell.  I'm a nerd, you can check my stats!! Skilling Int/Mem at 45 sp per minute is how I mack!-á-á-á-á I'm like a lapdog, all bark no bite.-á |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
972
|
Posted - 2012.11.08 20:37:00 -
[182] - Quote
Nanatoa wrote:Anuillae Fourneaux wrote:*Shrug* What can I say? Compared to prolific and dangerous bumpers such as Kainotomiu Ronuken, Tubrug1 and James 315, we get hardly any intelligence about you.
If you want to be on our super-prestigious list, I'm afraid you'll just have to step up your game a bit. But even Jonah Gravenstein made it to your list! Surely I am more important/dangerous than him? He only has 70 shares! (Or is it your goal to sow dissension within the Miner Bumping community? You want me to envy Jonah Gravenstein even though I am clearly better than him?)
It has absolutely nothing to do with them thinking you're not enough of a threat & everything to do with them not being able to find you on battleclinic.
Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |

KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
1068
|
Posted - 2012.11.08 20:43:00 -
[183] - Quote
Robert De'Arneth wrote:Nope, it will still be 89. I have no need to change the number from the number that went.  At least I do not like act like bumping will do something, that would be quite pathetic. But thanks for taking time out of your bumping duties to post. Kind of boring I bet. Now get back to pretending you are saving the universe from the Evil miner. Let me tell you all about bumping in null sec. www.minerbumping.com - because your tears are delicious |

Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
530
|
Posted - 2012.11.08 20:44:00 -
[184] - Quote
KrakizBad wrote:Robert De'Arneth wrote:Nope, it will still be 89. I have no need to change the number from the number that went.  At least I do not like act like bumping will do something, that would be quite pathetic. But thanks for taking time out of your bumping duties to post. Kind of boring I bet. Now get back to pretending you are saving the universe from the Evil miner. Let me tell you all about bumping in null sec.
Lol. If only...iiiif only
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Nanatoa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
151
|
Posted - 2012.11.08 20:47:00 -
[185] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:It has absolutely nothing to do with them thinking you're not enough of a threat & everything to do with them not being able to find you on battleclinic.
Time to get on a kill mail then! I do have a few civilian guns fitted, so I can help CONCORD kill any miner crazy enough to gank a bumper.
We do what we must, because we can.
MinerBumping.com |

Lugia3
Shydow Imperium
47
|
Posted - 2012.11.08 20:50:00 -
[186] - Quote
*cough*carebears*cough*
Whew, had something in my throat there. Holeysheet1 for CSNM https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=168477&find=unread |

Robert De'Arneth
270
|
Posted - 2012.11.08 21:02:00 -
[187] - Quote
KrakizBad wrote:Robert De'Arneth wrote:Nope, it will still be 89. I have no need to change the number from the number that went.  At least I do not like act like bumping will do something, that would be quite pathetic. But thanks for taking time out of your bumping duties to post. Kind of boring I bet. Now get back to pretending you are saving the universe from the Evil miner. Let me tell you all about bumping in null sec.
Please do, I will read it tomorrow. Videos of you extorting ISK would be helpful. Also if you can show us how much bumping has done for you down in Null Sec. I know there have to be Evil Miners there also. I'm a nerd, you can check my stats!! Skilling Int/Mem at 45 sp per minute is how I mack!-á-á-á-á I'm like a lapdog, all bark no bite.-á |

KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
1069
|
Posted - 2012.11.08 21:06:00 -
[188] - Quote
Here, the miners are welcome. www.minerbumping.com - because your tears are delicious |

Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
531
|
Posted - 2012.11.08 21:07:00 -
[189] - Quote
KrakizBad wrote:Here, the miners are welcome.
Dude I'm pro miner and even I'm confused O-o
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Robert De'Arneth
270
|
Posted - 2012.11.08 21:23:00 -
[190] - Quote
KrakizBad wrote:Here, the miners are welcome.
Oh? Well send an invite and lets mine sir. Always nice to see helpful people. Sometimes you think somone is nothing but kid who lost his candy, and then they go and invite people to mine. Are the people of EVE not helpful? It almost makes me want sing out with joy. Maybe after we are done mining we can go bump a few people for grins. I'm a nerd, you can check my stats!! Skilling Int/Mem at 45 sp per minute is how I mack!-á-á-á-á I'm like a lapdog, all bark no bite.-á |
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Pipa Porto
1237
|
Posted - 2012.11.08 21:42:00 -
[191] - Quote
Benny Ohu wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:You're making a list. So far as I can tell, you're not doing anything with it. No you don't understand Quote:Our goal is to develop a database of all bumpers. All of them. Where they go, what they fly, what they do. We will publish it for all miners to see. What they choose to do with that information is liberty of choice to them. We look forward to its creative uses. they are doing something very specific with the list: asking other people to do something with it ps bumpers go to new order ice belts, they fly bumping ships, and what they do is bumping
So, very specifically, they're doing nothing with their list.
tl;dr Miners think asking other people to help them (without offering any sort of compensation or possibility of fun or profit) is "doing something" about their problems. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

Robert De'Arneth
270
|
Posted - 2012.11.08 21:58:00 -
[192] - Quote
Pipa Porto wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:You're making a list. So far as I can tell, you're not doing anything with it. No you don't understand Quote:Our goal is to develop a database of all bumpers. All of them. Where they go, what they fly, what they do. We will publish it for all miners to see. What they choose to do with that information is liberty of choice to them. We look forward to its creative uses. they are doing something very specific with the list: asking other people to do something with it ps bumpers go to new order ice belts, they fly bumping ships, and what they do is bumping So, very specifically, they're doing nothing with their list. tl;dr Miners think asking other people to help them (without offering any sort of compensation or possibility of fun or profit) is "doing something" about their problems.
We do? That is very interesting, I always love it when people who I do not know, not only know what I am thinking but how I react to a service. Then again,maybe we know each other, and at some point I shafted you out of payment. Now, I do not remember asking anyone for help and either not help them helping me or paying them for a service. So how about you refresh my memory, and you share your shaft story with everyone. Some screen shots would be awesome, my wife tells me I am getting senile, and suggest I keep notes. So, please do help me out. I'm a nerd, you can check my stats!! Skilling Int/Mem at 45 sp per minute is how I mack!-á-á-á-á I'm like a lapdog, all bark no bite.-á |

Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
9
|
Posted - 2012.11.08 22:07:00 -
[193] - Quote
Robert De'Arneth wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:
tl;dr Miners think asking other people to help them (without offering any sort of compensation or possibility of fun or profit) is "doing something" about their problems.
We do? That is very interesting, I always love it when people who I do not know, not only know what I am thinking but how I react to a service. Then again,maybe we know each other, and at some point I shafted you out of payment. Now, I do not remember asking anyone for help and either not help them helping me or paying them for a service. So how about you refresh my memory, and you share your shaft story with everyone. Some screen shots would be awesome, my wife tells me I am getting senile, and suggest I keep notes. So, please do help me out.
tl;dr : Miners think that writing a long uninteresting rant about how they're getting senile but disagree with you nonetheless, based on making ultra-fine distictions in something specifically put down as being a short and nonspecific version of events, is a worthy use of time. |

Pipa Porto
1237
|
Posted - 2012.11.08 22:11:00 -
[194] - Quote
Robert De'Arneth wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:So, very specifically, they're doing nothing with their list.
tl;dr Miners think asking other people to help them (without offering any sort of compensation or possibility of fun or profit) is "doing something" about their problems. We do? That is very interesting, I always love it when people who I do not know, not only know what I am thinking but how I react to a service. Then again,maybe we know each other, and at some point I shafted you out of payment. Now, I do not remember asking anyone for help and either not help them helping me or paying them for a service. So how about you refresh my memory, and you share your shaft story with everyone. Some screen shots would be awesome, my wife tells me I am getting senile, and suggest I keep notes. So, please do help me out.
Since that was apparently too difficult for you to follow:
Quote:Our goal is to develop a database of all bumpers. All of them. Where they go, what they fly, what they do. We will publish it for all miners to see. What they choose to do with that information is liberty of choice to them. We look forward to its creative uses.
They're doing nothing with their list. They are asking other people to do things with it for them.
Quote:Together, we will push back this vile infection in our peaceful homes. We will rise, we will eliminate this threatGǪand we will promptly return to afk-mining!
They believe that doing that nothing will result in their problem being fixed. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
1070
|
Posted - 2012.11.08 22:12:00 -
[195] - Quote
At least part of his rant is correct. www.minerbumping.com - because your tears are delicious |

Robert De'Arneth
270
|
Posted - 2012.11.08 22:12:00 -
[196] - Quote
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:Robert De'Arneth wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:
tl;dr Miners think asking other people to help them (without offering any sort of compensation or possibility of fun or profit) is "doing something" about their problems.
We do? That is very interesting, I always love it when people who I do not know, not only know what I am thinking but how I react to a service. Then again,maybe we know each other, and at some point I shafted you out of payment. Now, I do not remember asking anyone for help and either not help them helping me or paying them for a service. So how about you refresh my memory, and you share your shaft story with everyone. Some screen shots would be awesome, my wife tells me I am getting senile, and suggest I keep notes. So, please do help me out. tl;dr : Miners think that writing a long uninteresting rant about how they're getting senile but disagree with you nonetheless, based on making ultra-fine distictions in something specifically put down as being a short and nonspecific version of events, is a worthy use of time.
We do? That is very interesting, I always love it when someone I do not know, seems to know what I am thinking, but my wife says I am gettin senile and should keep notes. Can you quote where I said any such thing? So, please do help me out. I'm a nerd, you can check my stats!! Skilling Int/Mem at 45 sp per minute is how I mack!-á-á-á-á I'm like a lapdog, all bark no bite.-á |

Tubrug1
Lai Dai First Guard
46
|
Posted - 2012.11.08 22:13:00 -
[197] - Quote
I give you a week. I don't always troll, but when I do it's on a nerf the New Order thread- www.minerbumping.com |

Robert De'Arneth
270
|
Posted - 2012.11.08 22:14:00 -
[198] - Quote
KrakizBad wrote:At least part of his rant is correct.
Let me guess, the part where he does not know me? I'm a nerd, you can check my stats!! Skilling Int/Mem at 45 sp per minute is how I mack!-á-á-á-á I'm like a lapdog, all bark no bite.-á |

Coreola
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
2
|
Posted - 2012.11.08 22:39:00 -
[199] - Quote
Torvin Yulus wrote:Clystan wrote:So - let me get this straight -
"For now, we await submissions. The database will hopefully be running by this week with your help. Together, we will push back this vile infection in our peaceful homes. We will rise, we will eliminate this threatGǪand we will promptly return to afk-mining!
For our Freedom
For our Rights
For the Proveldtariat o7"
You feel that AFK mining is a right? damn straite i have an inalienable right to mine how I want to mine.
And people have an inalienable right to bump you how they want to bump you. Jump, jump, jump. |

Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
9
|
Posted - 2012.11.08 23:34:00 -
[200] - Quote
Robert De'Arneth wrote: We do? That is very interesting, I always love it when someone I do not know, seems to know what I am thinking, but my wife says I am getting senile and should keep notes. Can you quote where I said any such thing? So, please do help me out.
Sure, right here:
"We do? That is very interesting, I always love it when people who I do not know, not only know what I am thinking but how I react to a service. Then again,maybe we know each other, and at some point I shafted you out of payment. Now, I do not remember asking anyone for help and either not help them helping me or paying them for a service. So how about you refresh my memory, and you share your shaft story with everyone. Some screen shots would be awesome, my wife tells me I am getting senile, and suggest I keep notes. So, please do help me out."
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Johan Civire
Dirty Curse inc.
185
|
Posted - 2012.11.09 00:05:00 -
[201] - Quote
and a other threat about this.... wait let me grap some popcorn let the show begin. |

Nanatoa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
153
|
Posted - 2012.11.09 00:09:00 -
[202] - Quote
Johan Civire wrote:and a other threat about this.... wait let me grap some popcorn let the show begin.
You're 10 pages late!
We do what we must, because we can.
MinerBumping.com |

Tesal
48
|
Posted - 2012.11.09 00:10:00 -
[203] - Quote
All the miners are doing is validating the New Order griefers. It gives them MORE of a reason to bump people because they now have an opponent. The best way to defeat the New Order is to ignore them. If they are ignored they will get bored in a couple of months and quit bumping. |

Nanatoa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
153
|
Posted - 2012.11.09 00:14:00 -
[204] - Quote
Tesal wrote:All the miners are doing is validating the New Order griefers. It gives them MORE of a reason to bump people because they now have an opponent. The best way to defeat the New Order is to ignore them. If they are ignored they will get bored in a couple of months and quit bumping.
Well said. Not exactly leading by example though ;-) We do what we must, because we can.
MinerBumping.com |

admiral root
Red Galaxy Persona Non Gratis
124
|
Posted - 2012.11.09 02:04:00 -
[205] - Quote
Tesal wrote:All the miners are doing is validating the New Order griefers.
Griefing is quite rightly a bannable offence. The reason the Code prohibits you from petitioning us is because what we're doing is not griefing. If you happen across a griefer you should petition them, just like new order agents have done on at least two occasions. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
969
|
Posted - 2012.11.09 03:17:00 -
[206] - Quote
Clystan wrote:
You feel that AFK mining is a right?
OP said no such thing. |

Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
10
|
Posted - 2012.11.09 03:23:00 -
[207] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Clystan wrote:
You feel that AFK mining is a right?
OP said no such thing.
The OP linked to a blog which has only a few posts, on the blog is found the quote: "We will rise, we will eliminate this threatGǪand we will promptly return to afk-mining!
For our Freedom
For our Rights"
therefore, the OP can reasonably be said to have claimed that AFK-mining is a right.
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SassyLassy
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
|
Posted - 2012.11.09 05:24:00 -
[208] - Quote
I just had the barney song go into my head after reading the OP. EFT warriors are amuseing.-á |

Mr Pragmatic
54
|
Posted - 2012.11.09 06:53:00 -
[209] - Quote
AFK mining is a viable form of game play. Sometimes you just have to DEAL WITH IT. Maybe this world is another planet's hell. -Aldous Huxley
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
970
|
Posted - 2012.11.09 06:57:00 -
[210] - Quote
Nanatoa wrote:Johan Civire wrote:and a other threat about this.... wait let me grap some popcorn let the show begin. You're 10 pages late!
LOL... Seriously LOL.
Yup......(sighs and walks away) |
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
970
|
Posted - 2012.11.09 07:01:00 -
[211] - Quote
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Clystan wrote:
You feel that AFK mining is a right?
OP said no such thing. The OP linked to a blog which has only a few posts, on the blog is found the quote: "We will rise, we will eliminate this threatGǪand we will promptly return to afk-mining! For our Freedom For our Rights" therefore, the OP can reasonably be said to have claimed that AFK-mining is a right.
That just AOK I guess.
I don't do or believe that in pratice though. But after all.... it is a SANDBOX.
Try going with that for your argument.
It is indeed quite the foundation-stone of EVE after all. It's like Democracy...one had to sometimes accept viewpoints that are unpleasant to ones' self. |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
972
|
Posted - 2012.11.09 08:03:00 -
[212] - Quote
Tesal wrote:All the miners are doing is validating the New Order griefers. It gives them MORE of a reason to bump people because they now have an opponent. The best way to defeat the New Order is to ignore them. If they are ignored they will get bored in a couple of months and quit bumping.
Miners have been saying the since the beginning. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |

Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
532
|
Posted - 2012.11.09 13:41:00 -
[213] - Quote
Mr Pragmatic wrote:AFK mining is a viable form of game play. Sometimes you just have to DEAL WITH IT.
not empty quoting 
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Pipa Porto
1240
|
Posted - 2012.11.09 15:24:00 -
[214] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Mr Pragmatic wrote:AFK mining is a viable form of game play. Sometimes you just have to DEAL WITH IT. not empty quoting 
Nobody's really saying otherwise. AFK mining is a valid (if ridiculous) way to play (well, not play) EVE.
The problem arises when you believe that you should be safe from interference while you're AFK and unable to react to the actions of others.
The problem is that the miners managed to get the notion in their head that they shouldn't be bothered while they're AFK, and CCP fed that delusion by granting them an unwarranted EHP buff, to the point where (once again), 2 of the 3 Exhumers are largely (or entirely) pointless.
The problem is that you now think that bumping should be banned because you want to avoid the consequences of leaving your ship unattended, and didn't realize that ganking isn't the only possible way you can be bothered.
The problem is that Miners don't want to be playing a Multiplayer game. They want a single player game with an IRC channel. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

Oops Ididitagain
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
|
Posted - 2012.11.09 15:29:00 -
[215] - Quote
Pipa Porto wrote:Anslo wrote:Mr Pragmatic wrote:AFK mining is a viable form of game play. Sometimes you just have to DEAL WITH IT. not empty quoting  Nobody's really saying otherwise. AFK mining is a valid (if ridiculous) way to play (well, not play) EVE. The problem arises when you believe that you should be safe from interference while you're AFK and unable to react to the actions of others. The problem is that the miners managed to get the notion in their head that they shouldn't be bothered while they're AFK, and CCP fed that delusion by granting them an unwarranted EHP buff, to the point where (once again), 2 of the 3 Exhumers are largely (or entirely) pointless. The problem is that you now think that bumping should be banned because you want to avoid the consequences of leaving your ship unattended, and didn't realize that ganking isn't the only possible way you can be bothered. The problem is that Miners don't want to be playing a Multiplayer game. They want a single player game with an IRC channel.
Oops Gäó |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
897
|
Posted - 2012.11.09 15:35:00 -
[216] - Quote
Plaude Pollard wrote:Torvin Yulus wrote:Clystan wrote:So - let me get this straight -
"For now, we await submissions. The database will hopefully be running by this week with your help. Together, we will push back this vile infection in our peaceful homes. We will rise, we will eliminate this threatGǪand we will promptly return to afk-mining!
For our Freedom
For our Rights
For the Proveldtariat o7"
You feel that AFK mining is a right? damn straite i have an inalienable right to mine how I want to mine. And James 315 and his bumping-fleets have the right to bump you out of mining range if they want. Also, Chribba isn't the founder of your little anti-bumper group, so you don't have the legal right to use the word "veld" in your group's name, without paying Chribba a massive sum of ISK for copyright infringement (since that's practically his trademark). And for giving the word "veld" a bad name. Mostly for the latter, really.
Veldyou careveld to veldexplain veldus???
Plz veldsue me. brb |

Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
534
|
Posted - 2012.11.09 15:38:00 -
[217] - Quote
Quote:The problem is that you now think that bumping should be banned because you want to avoid the consequences of leaving your ship unattended, and didn't realize that ganking isn't the only possible way you can be bothered.
Did I say it should be banned? Please quote it, since I don't remember it at all.
I personally think that bumping shouldn't be banned, but have an effective counter. I indeed said miners should be entitled (yes i said it) to mine, I did not say they should be entitled to full immunity. Look at the blog Pipa. We tell miners, in all of our anti-bump tips, that there is no such thing as 100% safety, only tit for tat.
If CCP introduced some kind of anchoring module for the miners that lowered say, their tank, yield, and/or made them a bit more vulnerable to gank, this wouldn't be an issue. They could stop from being bumped, but then other consequences arise.
They are entitled to play their way, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't have a counter to something like bumping. As long as there is a balance, I'm fine.
Right now, there isn't one.
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Pipa Porto
1240
|
Posted - 2012.11.09 15:53:00 -
[218] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Right now, there isn't one.
You mean besides being at your keyboard?
Because that is an effective counter to being bumped. It's also an effective counter to being ganked. It's an effective counter to a lot of things that people who are at their keyboard can do to you.
Funny how going AFK reduces your options for countering the activities of people who are at their keyboards.
As for banning bumping. Look at all the recent GD posts on how "bumping is broken" "CONCORD for Bumping" "Killrights for Bumping" and all sorts of ill-conceived "solutions" to the bumping "problem."
Look at the blog linked in the OP. Quote:Send en eve-mail to Anslo if and when you see or are harassed by a bumper. CCP is very clear that Harassment is against the rules and a bannable offense. Luckily, they don't agree with your characterization of bumping, but calling it by the name of a bannable offense sounds a lot like you'd really like to see it banned. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
534
|
Posted - 2012.11.09 15:56:00 -
[219] - Quote
Pipa Porto wrote:Quote:Send en eve-mail to Anslo if and when you see or are harassed by a bumper. CCP is very clear that Harassment is against the rules and a bannable offense. Luckily, they don't agree with your characterization of bumping, but calling it by the name of a bannable offense sounds a lot like you'd really like to see it banned.
People feel they're being harassed, so I say it. It isn't something I posted in GD or saying that it's bannable etc. It's an echo of people's sentiment, so I'm going to say it.
In the real world, if you were trying to garden or build a model or something in a public space, and someone kept pushing and shoving you from that model or garden or whatever, a lot of people would say they're being harassed.
That blog is from the perspective of a casual gamer, not CCP EULA standards.
EDIT: But you are 100% correct saying that CCP does not consider it harassment. So, I don't say it is here. And I don't say it should be banned. I'd like to see a balanced module to counter it. Anti bump? Sure, but you lower your armor or yield etc. That to me, would be a much fairer response than just banning it. It counters in a sense, the EHP buff while giving miners some sense of security, while giving PvP'ers an edge to their ganking should they so choose.
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Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
10
|
Posted - 2012.11.09 16:08:00 -
[220] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
That just AOK I guess.
I don't do or believe that in pratice though. But after all.... it is a SANDBOX.
Try going with that for your argument.
"your argument"
which argument of mine are you referring to? |
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Pipa Porto
1240
|
Posted - 2012.11.09 16:08:00 -
[221] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Quote:Send en eve-mail to Anslo if and when you see or are harassed by a bumper. CCP is very clear that Harassment is against the rules and a bannable offense. Luckily, they don't agree with your characterization of bumping, but calling it by the name of a bannable offense sounds a lot like you'd really like to see it banned. People feel they're being harassed, so I say it. It isn't something I posted in GD or saying that it's bannable etc. It's an echo of people's sentiment, so I'm going to say it. In the real world, if you were trying to garden or build a model or something in a public space, and someone kept pushing and shoving you from that model or garden or whatever, a lot of people would say they're being harassed. That blog is from the perspective of a casual gamer, not CCP EULA standards.
Wherever you're calling it Harassment, you're still calling it that. Stands to reason that you think it should be dealt with the same way CCP handles all other cases of Harassment.
Quote:EDIT: But you are 100% correct saying that CCP does not consider it harassment. So, I don't say it is here. And I don't say it should be banned. I'd like to see a balanced module to counter it. Anti bump? Sure, but you lower your armor or yield etc. That to me, would be a much fairer response than just banning it. It counters in a sense, the EHP buff while giving miners some sense of security, while giving PvP'ers an edge to their ganking should they so choose.
Funny. You haven't said that you don't think it's harassment.
Why do you need a module? The counter to Bumping is to be ATK. The counter to AFK mining is bumping, now that you guys got CCP to eliminate ganking as a significant threat.
Why should you get a bump-proof, gank proof mining ship? (With that module, the Skiff would simply replace the Mack)
Why should you be able to effectively counter someone who is at their keyboard while you are not at yours? Why should miners get this unwarrented ability to negate other people's gameplay without making any effort themselves? EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
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Oops Ididitagain
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.11.09 16:13:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Anslo wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Quote:Send en eve-mail to Anslo if and when you see or are harassed by a bumper. CCP is very clear that Harassment is against the rules and a bannable offense. Luckily, they don't agree with your characterization of bumping, but calling it by the name of a bannable offense sounds a lot like you'd really like to see it banned. People feel they're being harassed, so I say it. It isn't something I posted in GD or saying that it's bannable etc. It's an echo of people's sentiment, so I'm going to say it. In the real world, if you were trying to garden or build a model or something in a public space, and someone kept pushing and shoving you from that model or garden or whatever, a lot of people would say they're being harassed. That blog is from the perspective of a casual gamer, not CCP EULA standards. Wherever you're calling it Harassment, you're still calling it that. Stands to reason that you think it should be dealt with the same way CCP handles all other cases of Harassment. Quote:EDIT: But you are 100% correct saying that CCP does not consider it harassment. So, I don't say it is here. And I don't say it should be banned. I'd like to see a balanced module to counter it. Anti bump? Sure, but you lower your armor or yield etc. That to me, would be a much fairer response than just banning it. It counters in a sense, the EHP buff while giving miners some sense of security, while giving PvP'ers an edge to their ganking should they so choose. Funny. You haven't said that you don't think it's harassment. Why do you need a module? The counter to Bumping is to be ATK. The counter to AFK mining is bumping, now that you guys got CCP to eliminate ganking as a significant threat. Why should you get a bump-proof, gank proof mining ship? (With that module, the Skiff would simply replace the Mack) Why should you be able to effectively counter someone who is at their keyboard while you are not at yours? Why should miners get this unwarrented ability to negate other people's gameplay without making any effort themselves?
Oops Gäó
Because, when enough people complain to CCP it WILL be changed. That day will be full of tears. Do you doubt that CCP will remove this? |

Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
534
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Posted - 2012.11.09 16:17:00 -
[223] - Quote
Quote:Funny. You haven't said that you don't think it's harassment. I would think that would be obvious based on my stance, but given you need a big honkin' sign. Yes, generally, I think gamers are being harassed. inb4 the flurry of flames and quotes \o/
Quote:Why do you need a module? The counter to Bumping is to be ATK. The counter to AFK mining is bumping, now that you guys got CCP to eliminate ganking as a significant threat. Why should you get a bump-proof, gank proof mining ship? (With that module, the Skiff would simply replace the Mack) Why should you be able to effectively counter someone who is at their keyboard while you are not at yours? Why should miners get this unwarrented ability to negate other people's gameplay without making any effort themselves?
You should re-read my post instead of jumping the gun there, Pipa. Read it again and come back to me. I said that the module should be a trade off for bump safety for lower yields and/or tank.  Besides, even ATK miners still get bumped, I watched it. A Mackinaw or Hulk is not out maneuvering an SFI.
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Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
48
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Posted - 2012.11.09 16:43:00 -
[224] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Besides, even ATK miners still get bumped, I watched it. A Mackinaw or Hulk is not out maneuvering an SFI.
I can actually confirm this, Pipa. It doesn't much matter whether they're at the keyboard or not, unless it's an inexperienced bumper.
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Khergit Deserters
Gallente Federation
187
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Posted - 2012.11.09 16:48:00 -
[225] - Quote
Tesal wrote:All the miners are doing is validating the New Order griefers. It gives them MORE of a reason to bump people because they now have an opponent. The best way to defeat the New Order is to ignore them. If they are ignored they will get bored in a couple of months and quit bumping. That's no fun.  Kid:-á I wish we had time to bury them fellas. Josey Wales:-á To hell with them fellas. Buzzards gotta eat, same as worms.
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Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
536
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Posted - 2012.11.09 16:51:00 -
[226] - Quote
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Anslo wrote:Besides, even ATK miners still get bumped, I watched it. A Mackinaw or Hulk is not out maneuvering an SFI.
I can actually confirm this, Pipa. It doesn't much matter whether they're at the keyboard or not, unless it's an inexperienced bumper.
See?
If anything, the bumpers now have immunity. There's options I lay out for miners, and I'm constantly trying to research with other people new counters, but **** doesn't always work like that.
Like I said, if CCP introduced a BALANCED module that was fair and not just an iwin button, I'd be fine with this.
Also if the bumpers actually only bumped bots, I'd probably join. But they bump atk miners so..no bueno! 
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Bing Bangboom
Ded End Damage Inc. Ded End Conglomerates
2
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Posted - 2012.11.09 16:52:00 -
[227] - Quote
[quote=Anslo]Quote:You should re-read my post instead of jumping the gun there, Pipa. Read it again and come back to me. I said that the module should be a trade off for bump safety for lower yields and/or tank.  Besides, even ATK miners still get bumped, I watched it. A Mackinaw or Hulk is not out maneuvering an SFI.
As has been pointed out many times already, there IS a module to prevent bumping. It costs 10,000,000 ISK, is available from any Agent of the New Order of Highsec, and lasts for one full year. Why should a miner care whether they buy a "Caldari Navy Space Stake" or a New Order indulgence? Its all just ISK. And there is no tradeoff on the indulgence, just profit!
The miners who are at their keyboards who are getting bumped have not paid their indulgence fees. This is a violation of The Code and justly results in bump. |

Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
48
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Posted - 2012.11.09 17:00:00 -
[228] - Quote
Anslo wrote:See? If anything, the bumpers now have immunity. There's options I lay out for miners, and I'm constantly trying to research with other people new counters, but **** doesn't always work like that. Like I said, if CCP introduced a BALANCED module that was fair and not just an iwin button, I'd be fine with this. Also if the bumpers actually only bumped bots, I'd probably join. But they bump atk miners so..no bueno!  No, no, it is balanced. We offer a service that will prevent bumping at no loss to armour or shield or anything!
I'd even go so far as to say that that was OP on the miner side.
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Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
536
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Posted - 2012.11.09 17:02:00 -
[229] - Quote
Bing Bangboom wrote: As has been pointed out many times already, there IS a module to prevent bumping. It costs 10,000,000 ISK, is available from any Agent of the New Order of Highsec, and lasts for one full year.
Cut the pseudo RP for a second = =|| that's not a module, that's called a ransom.
Quote:Why should a miner care whether they buy a "Caldari Navy Space Stake" or a New Order indulgence? Its all just ISK. And there is no tradeoff on the indulgence, just profit! Yes, there is. One is a module "take" that can keep them there, and they choose to invest in themselves so that no one else that they don't want to (i.e. extortionists) takes their money. The other, is a scam/ransom. That's like saying the mafia of old days were a "legitimate business."
[qupte]The miners who are at their keyboards who are getting bumped have not paid their indulgence fees. This is a violation of The Code and justly results in bump.[/quote]
Except they shouldn't have to observe your "code" because it's not CCP sanctioned rules and basically ruin an individuals good time and recreation unless they pay some thugs off. No bueno 
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:No, no, it is balanced. We offer a service that will prevent bumping at no loss to armour or shield or anything!
Except that it's against your own bumps, which means it's not a service to stop bumping, it's a ransom to keep you from bumping them. Which sometimes doesn't even matter anyway.
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Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2012.11.09 17:07:00 -
[230] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Bing Bangboom wrote: As has been pointed out many times already, there IS a module to prevent bumping. It costs 10,000,000 ISK, is available from any Agent of the New Order of Highsec, and lasts for one full year. Cut the pseudo RP for a second = =|| that's not a module, that's called a ransom.
which is better than a module, as you keep it even if you lose your ship :) Let's call it a "module-squared"
"Yes, there is. One is a module "take" that can keep them there, and they choose to invest in themselves so that no one else that they don't want to (i.e. extortionists) takes their money. The other, is a scam/ransom. That's like saying the mafia of old days were a "legitimate business.""
In EVE piracy, mercenary warfare, and scamming are all seen as legitimate businesses. So, if the Mafia were in EVE, they would be a legitimate business as well :) We're really getting somewhere, we agree on everything and now you just have to recognize the authority of the New Order.
"Except they shouldn't have to observe your "code" because it's not CCP sanctioned rules and basically ruin an individuals good time and recreation unless they pay some thugs off. No bueno "
Si bueno, because it is CCP sanctioned as CCP encourages player generated content :)
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Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
537
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Posted - 2012.11.09 17:11:00 -
[231] - Quote
Quote:which is better than a module, as you keep it even if you lose your ship :) Let's call it a "module-squared" ...except it isn't a module, and it isn't better than a module.
Quote:In EVE piracy, mercenary warfare, and scamming are all seen as legitimate businesses. So, if the Mafia were in EVE, they would be a legitimate business as well :) We're really getting somewhere, we agree on everything and now you just have to recognize the authority of the New Order. Yes, they were legitimate professions (piracy, mercs, etc), but they had counters and consequences. What consequences do the bumpers have?
Nothing.
Also, the "order" has no authority.
Quote:Si bueno, because it is CCP sanctioned as CCP encourages player generated content :)
CCP did not officially sanction anything, they simply said it isn't harassment based on the EULA. That doesn't mean YES GO BUMP EVERYONE WE ENCOURAGE IT! GET THEIR TEARS. That's an assumption. So unless we see a post from CCP [insert name here] saying we approve of bumping and think you should go collect those tears, your viewpoint on this is moot.
EDIT: obligatory post with your main reference.
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Kari Juptris
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
60
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Posted - 2012.11.09 17:13:00 -
[232] - Quote
Hail THE NEW ORDER and long live James 315!! |

Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2012.11.09 17:19:00 -
[233] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Quote:which is better than a module, as you keep it even if you lose your ship :) Let's call it a "module-squared" ...except it isn't a module, and it isn't better than a module. Yes, they were legitimate professions (piracy, mercs, etc), but they had counters and consequences. What consequences do the bumpers have? Nothing. Also, the "order" has no authority. CCP did not officially sanction anything, they simply said it isn't harassment based on the EULA. That doesn't mean YES GO BUMP EVERYONE WE ENCOURAGE IT! GET THEIR TEARS. That's an assumption. So unless we see a post from CCP [insert name here] saying we approve of bumping and think you should go collect those tears, your viewpoint on this is moot.
I explained how it's better than a module, you have no counterargument, so that point is conceded.
You have an entire webpage filled with counters. It's titled "Anti-bump methods" "http://proveldtariat.wordpress.com/anti-bump-methods/" To pretend here that no counters exist is therefore not just wrong, but proven LYING--are you saying that no counters exist? You kinda imply it but don't say it explicity--so make it explicit: Do you admit counters to bumping already exist? As to consequences, those are effectively unlimited, but they are up to the players to provide. So far you've made a list--which isn't very frightening, but that's your own fault.
I never said it's 'officially sanctioned', but laid out a clear unofficial sanction, which is not an assumption but a deduction. you might want to look those words up. |

Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
537
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Posted - 2012.11.09 17:26:00 -
[234] - Quote
Quote:I explained how it's better than a module, you have no counterargument, so that point is conceded. No, it's not. That's like saying paying a 100mil ransom on a 20mil isk ship is "better." I didn't think I'd have to slap you in the face with a counter argument to prove my point, but it seems I do.
Quote:You have an entire webpage filled with counters. It's titled "Anti-bump methods" "http://proveldtariat.wordpress.com/anti-bump-methods/" To pretend here that no counters exist is therefore not just wrong, but proven LYING. And as I've said before, if you did your research, you'd see you're jumping to conclusions. 
They are methods, some more effective than others, and the blog states that there is nothing that is 100% safe with these methods, but they can be effective when used! So I did NOT say there are no counters, I said there is no MODULE or real MECHANIC built into the game to counter it.
So, to clarify, I am NOT lying. :)
Quote:I never said it's 'officially sanctioned', [/qupte] So when you said "because it is CCP sanctioned," you were really trying to say you're full of it?  [quote]but laid out a clear unofficial sanction, which is not an assumption but a deduction. you might want to look those words up.
And why should I consider your interpretation of it being an unofficial sanction as legitimate as opposed to CCP clarifying something in the EULA to not clog up petitions? So, yes it's not just an assumption, but a moot interpretation. A deduction would imply concrete evidence. Your INTERPRETATION does not.
As for your stealth ad hominem attack, I know what those words mean thank you 
EDIT: Again post with your main.
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Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
12
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Posted - 2012.11.09 17:27:00 -
[235] - Quote
why does anyone bother to argue with pipa porto? Its like arguing with a radio. one of those people who won't admit they are wrong and are wrong constantly and his own stupid personal definitions for everything.
Hey pipa, try to find a game you dont feel the need to constantly complain about. You obviously don't understand what EVE is supposed to be. |

Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2012.11.09 17:32:00 -
[236] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Quote:I explained how it's better than a module, you have no counterargument, so that point is conceded. No, it's not. That's like saying paying a 100mil ransom on a 20mil isk ship is "better." I didn't think I'd have to slap you in the face with a counter argument to prove my point, but it seems I do.
wat?
Quote:EDIT: Again post with your main.
Why, are you looking to apply some of the consequences you deny exist? Or is this more of a pervy request? |

Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
48
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Posted - 2012.11.09 17:37:00 -
[237] - Quote
Fabulous Rod wrote:why does anyone bother to argue with pipa porto? Its like arguing with a radio. one of those people who won't admit they are wrong and are wrong constantly and his own stupid personal definitions for everything.
Hey pipa, try to find a game you dont feel the need to constantly complain about. You obviously don't understand what EVE is supposed to be. Just to straighten this up; how is Pipa complaining? As far as I'm aware, she's telling the miners here why they're wrong to be complaining about the miner bumpers.
Anslo wrote:No, it's not. That's like saying paying a 100mil ransom on a 20mil isk ship is "better." I didn't think I'd have to slap you in the face with a counter argument to prove my point, but it seems I do.
No, no it isn't. It's just like buying a module that costs 10 million ISK, uses no slots in your fitting, is completely CPU and Power Grid free, doesn't get blown up with your ship and doesn't have to be activated or anything. It doesn't even take up screen space! So yeah, I think it'd be fair to call it a module squared.
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Pipa Porto
1240
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Posted - 2012.11.09 17:39:00 -
[238] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Anslo wrote:Besides, even ATK miners still get bumped, I watched it. A Mackinaw or Hulk is not out maneuvering an SFI.
I can actually confirm this, Pipa. It doesn't much matter whether they're at the keyboard or not, unless it's an inexperienced bumper. See? If anything, the bumpers now have immunity. There's options I lay out for miners, and I'm constantly trying to research with other people new counters, but **** doesn't always work like that. Like I said, if CCP introduced a BALANCED module that was fair and not just an iwin button, I'd be fine with this. Also if the bumpers actually only bumped bots, I'd probably join. But they bump atk miners so..no bueno! 
Who said anything about dodging by clicking in space?
Mine webbed and aligned to a safespot. If you're clever with bookmarks, you can get the minimum warp distance down to 50km, easily shorter than most belts (no need to use warp tricks for Ice belts, of course). Bumper lines up with you and *WHOOSH* mining over there. He tries again and *WHOOSH* mining over there.
I guess I should have said "At the Keyboard and willing to think for 10 seconds." So sorry that I wasn't clear.
What immunity do bumpers have when they're AFK? Even ATK, you can gank them. Why haven't you if they're bothering you?
You're trying to say that people who are AFK should be unaffected (and unable to be affected) by the actions of people who are at the keyboard. Why do you think that should be?
AFK mining is fine. AFK mining in total safety is not. Guess which one you're asking for.
AFK mining is already safe from any significant threat of ganking. If you get rid of the "threat" posed by bumping, what's left to threaten AFK miners? Their keyboard shorting out and pressing the self destruct button?
And yes, I did read your post about the module. It would likely result in people using the Skiff for an unbumpable, ungankable, AFK mining boat. So now it's click once every 30 minutes instead of an hour in exchange for being unbumpable and very effectively ungankable. Like I said in the post you implied I hadn't read. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
537
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Posted - 2012.11.09 17:39:00 -
[239] - Quote
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:No, it's not. That's like saying paying a 100mil ransom on a 20mil isk ship is "better." I didn't think I'd have to slap you in the face with a counter argument to prove my point, but it seems I do.
OK...I'll explain it in-depth, no jabs, no insults. I'll just explain.
I see what you're saying in terms of an economical stand point. The module would allow for individuals to NOT be bumped. However there is a risk trade off, which is what Eve is all about. The risks. However, those risks entail that the module could be destroyed by a ganker as opposed to a ransom being paid to let them mine. From a pure Eve-economic stand point, you could be considered right.
I do not speak from the point of Eve alone. Outside the game world and in the real world, there is something called intrinsic value. I won't insult your intelligence with explaining it, as I'm sure you know what that means. If not...welp. There is an intrinsic value one assigns to freedom and liberty to do as they please, without bending over to someone elses whim, especially one who, in the real world
1) Has no corporate authority to dictate what they can do 2) Has no governmental authority to dictate what they can do
It is in essence a case of a school yard bully, an average joe, pushing around other average joe's. People assign an intrinsic value to not kotowing to the bullying and pontification of the equivalent of a highsec thug. They would rather resist than bow down. That same intrinsic value would make it more worthwhile to miners to pay and risk loosing the module, than to offer themselves to the whims of a thug.
intrinsic value>module cost
Get it?
Quote:Why, are you looking to apply some of the consequences you deny exist? Or is this more of a pervy request? ...WAT???
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Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2012.11.09 17:42:00 -
[240] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Nathalie LaPorte wrote:No, it's not. That's like saying paying a 100mil ransom on a 20mil isk ship is "better." I didn't think I'd have to slap you in the face with a counter argument to prove my point, but it seems I do. OK...I'll explain it in-depth, no jabs, no insults. I'll just explain. I see what you're saying in terms of an economical stand point. The module would allow for individuals to NOT be bumped. However there is a risk trade off, which is what Eve is all about. The risks. However, those risks entail that the module could be destroyed by a ganker as opposed to a ransom being paid to let them mine. From a pure Eve-economic stand point, you could be considered right. I do not speak from the point of Eve alone. Outside the game world and in the real world, there is something called intrinsic value. I won't insult your intelligence with explaining it, as I'm sure you know what that means. If not...welp. There is an intrinsic value one assigns to freedom and liberty to do as they please, without bending over to someone elses whim, especially one who, in the real world 1) Has no corporate authority to dictate what they can do 2) Has no governmental authority to dictate what they can do It is in essence a case of a school yard bully, an average joe, pushing around other average joe's. People assign an intrinsic value to not kotowing to the bullying and pontification of the equivalent of a highsec thug. They would rather resist than bow down. That same intrinsic value would make it more worthwhile to miners to pay and risk loosing the module, than to offer themselves to the whims of a thug. intrinsic value>module cost Get it?
tl;dr EVE is harsh and filled with bullies, and you want a module to protect you from having to play EVE.
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Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
48
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Posted - 2012.11.09 17:45:00 -
[241] - Quote
Anslo wrote:intrinsic value>module cost Get over it. You want CCP to introduce a module so that you can have the same result and feel good about yourself too?
You want to feel good about yourself, start with some decency and self-respect and don't try to become a bot. And by that I mean engaging with other players rather than lumps of ice.
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Pipa Porto
1242
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Posted - 2012.11.09 17:46:00 -
[242] - Quote
Fabulous Rod wrote:why does anyone bother to argue with pipa porto? Its like arguing with a radio. one of those people who won't admit they are wrong and are wrong constantly and his own stupid personal definitions for everything.
Hey pipa, try to find a game you dont feel the need to constantly complain about. You obviously don't understand what EVE is supposed to be.
EVE is supposed to be
CCP t0rfifrans wrote:GÇ£Eve is very dark,GÇ¥ confirms creative director Torfi Frans +ôlafsson. GÇ£ItGÇÖs harsh. It is supposed to be unforgiving. The original designers played a lot of Ultima Online, which was a fantastic sandbox game, and it allowed you to be very devious and very immoral in the way that you played. What they loved about it is that player killers, the griefers - people who just went around and killed other people - became so unpopular that other people banded together. Good started fighting evil, and without true evil you canGÇÖt have true good. So you had these bands of righteous people chasing player killers, and those player killers were the original Eve designers; they created a game about that mechanic.GÇ¥
EVE is supposed to be
CCP Wrangler wrote:EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for.
EVE is supposed to be
Jon Lander wrote: If you pay attention, and youGÇÖve got your wits about you, you can avoid people coming in and ganking, a survival of the fittest kind of thing, and people are now able to actually make a much better living from mining because of things like Hulkageddon and Burn Jita, because minerals are more expensive.
http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/06/12/eve-online-interview-betrayal-at-fanfest-burn-jita-virtual-reality-and-the-president-of-iceland/
I did find a game whose premise I enjoyed it's called EVE Online. Maybe you've heard of it.
I think EVE is the game the developers said it is. Repeatedly. You seem to think otherwise. What basis do you have for that?
Why do the carebears insist on piling into a wonderful game whose premise they don't enjoy and then start complaining that the game doesn't suit them?
Kristoffer Touborg/CCP Soundwave wrote:It isnGÇÖt really hard, but I think there are customers that you can lose in a good way and thereGÇÖs customers that you can lose in a bad way. If people come in and fundamentally donGÇÖt like EVE Online, then I think that might be a good way of losing customers. EVE isnGÇÖt for everyone. I wish it was, but the reality is that there are some people who just enjoy playing another game more. And thatGÇÖs not really that bad. http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/06/27/eve-devs-our-game-is-the-mmo-equivalent-of-running-inferno-solo-with-a-naked-barbarian/ EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
537
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Posted - 2012.11.09 17:48:00 -
[243] - Quote
Pipa Porto wrote: Who said anything about dodging by clicking in space?
Mine webbed and aligned to a safespot. If you're clever with bookmarks, you can get the minimum warp distance down to 50km, easily shorter than most belts (no need to use warp tricks for Ice belts, of course). Bumper lines up with you and *WHOOSH* mining over there. He tries again and *WHOOSH* mining over there.
...uh...I don't think you know how ice mining works. While that would be a good fix, cycles take anywhere from 30 seconds-60+ seconds to get some ice. If they had to keep warping around, they would get nothing.
Quote:I guess I should have said "At the Keyboard and willing to think for 10 seconds." So sorry that I wasn't clear. Nice ad hominem following your original statement.
Quote:What immunity do bumpers have when they're AFK? Even ATK, you can gank them. Why haven't you if they're bothering you?
Now you're just grasping at straws. Did I say anything about the bumpers being AFK? No.I'm talking about immunity to consequences from a bump. Miner is bumped, they move away and cant stop. Bumper bumps miner, he...lols? I don't know. A few have tried ganks, war decs, etc, and that stops 1 or 2 or 3. If you knew about this topic, you would know there's probably 10-20 corps with bumpers, with the rest in NPC corps. You could dec them all, and they'd just dock up and hide, like in the case of M0N0 in tolle. He just afks now and stays hidden thanks to that war dec. But there's gods know how many others, MANY in npc corps. Sure, you can gank them. But that doesn't mean they just say "welp" and don't come back. They keep coming. Like roaches.
Quote:You're trying to say that people who are AFK should be unaffected (and unable to be affected) by the actions of people who are at the keyboard. Why do you think that should be?
AFK mining is fine. AFK mining in total safety is not. Guess which one you're asking for.
AFK mining is already safe from any significant threat of ganking. If you get rid of the "threat" posed by bumping, what's left to threaten AFK miners? Their keyboard shorting out and pressing the self destruct button?
1) How many times do I have to say READ my posts? The above poster was right, you are like a broken radio. I didn't say 100% unaffected. Good gods.
2) I'm asking for the first to have a form of counter. But you seem to not grasp this concept.
3) No bump trades off to potential gank and/or lower yields. How many times will I need to repeat myself Pipa?
Quote:And yes, I did read your post about the module. It would likely result in people using the Skiff for an unbumpable, ungankable, AFK mining boat. So now it's click once every 30 minutes instead of an hour in exchange for being unbumpable and very effectively ungankable. Like I said in the post you implied I hadn't read.
Why should highsec ganking be easy? Why should a criminal action in the 'civilized' area of space be profitable? Skiffs aren't giant blocks of tritanium. Warp in with close range boats, damage mod to hell, web, scram and pop. Ta-da.
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Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.11.09 17:52:00 -
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Anslo wrote:
...uh...I don't think you know how ice mining works. While that would be a good fix, cycles take anywhere from 30 seconds-60+ seconds to get some ice. If they had to keep warping around, they would get nothing.
What's the ice intake when they are bumped out of range?
OK how about after the bumper gets frustrated and leaves? He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
537
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Posted - 2012.11.09 17:53:00 -
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Nathalie LaPorte wrote:tl;dr EVE is harsh and filled with bullies, and you want a module to protect you from having to play EVE.
So much for intelligent counter arguments Try this... tl;dr Miners should have a form of counter to bumping in exchange for lower tank, lower yeilds, and not being able to move, making them susceptible to a gank. Which, btw Pipa, would mean your argument about the skiff REALLY doesn't work.
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote: Get over it. You want CCP to introduce a module so that you can have the same result and feel good about yourself too?
You want to feel good about yourself, start with some decency and self-respect and don't try to become a bot. And by that I mean engaging with other players rather than lumps of ice.
You seem...upset comrade. Allow me to clarify.
As stated above, the module could have its trade off, allowing you angry gankers turned bumpers to follow a pseudo cult leader to gank at your leisure against none moving targets with low tank. I don't want an iwin button. We have titans...well HAD titans for that years ago. So no, I don't want an iwin button for miners, but it would be nice for them to have SOMETHING as a trade off. Balance risk and reward, as you all so say 
As for your ad hominem attack against the miners, just because they aren't talking to YOU or in local, does not mean they are "bot-aspirants," which that term in and of itself is ridiculously assumptive 
Quote:
What's the ice intake when they are out of range?
OK how about after the bumper gets frustrated and leaves?
Nothing. Cycle ends and they get nothing from the cycle. So if a miner is at 58/60 seconds, and is bumped out of range, the 60 seconds is wasted.
As for the bumper leaving, they've a tendency to not do that. They're a very tenacious bunch. Very active. I commend them for that, at least.
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Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.11.09 17:56:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Nathalie LaPorte wrote:tl;dr EVE is harsh and filled with bullies, and you want a module to protect you from having to play EVE.
So much for intelligent counter arguments  Try this... tl;dr Miners should have a form of counter to bumping in exchange for lower tank, lower yeilds, and not being able to move, making them susceptible to a gank. Which, btw Pipa, would mean your argument about the skiff REALLY doesn't work. Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote: Get over it. You want CCP to introduce a module so that you can have the same result and feel good about yourself too?
You want to feel good about yourself, start with some decency and self-respect and don't try to become a bot. And by that I mean engaging with other players rather than lumps of ice.
You seem...upset comrade. Allow me to clarify. As stated above, the module could have its trade off, allowing you angry gankers turned bumpers to follow a pseudo cult leader to gank at your leisure against none moving targets with low tank. I don't want an iwin button. We have titans...well HAD titans for that years ago. So no, I don't want an iwin button for miners, but it would be nice for them to have SOMETHING as a trade off. Balance risk and reward, as you all so say  As for your ad hominem attack against the miners, just because they aren't talking to YOU or in local, does not mean they are "bot-aspirants," which that term in and of itself is ridiculously assumptive  Quote:
What's the ice intake when they are out of range?
OK how about after the bumper gets frustrated and leaves?
Nothing. Cycle ends and they get nothing from the cycle. So if a miner is at 58/60 seconds, and is bumped out of range, the 60 seconds is wasted. As for the bumper leaving, they've a tendency to not do that. They're a very tenacious bunch. Very active. I commend them for that, at least. Well it sounds to me like miners should just mine aligned then. Warping reduces yield for a moment.
Being out of range reduces it longer.
ATK should always trump AFK. Sorry.
He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
537
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Posted - 2012.11.09 17:59:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote: Well it sounds to me like miners should just mine aligned then. Warping reduces yield for a moment.
Being out of range reduces it longer.
ATK should always trump AFK. Sorry.
I tested that oddly enough. There's no way to warp in a way that a miner can still maintain their gathering. Strip miners, much like guns, shut off when you warp. Target lock ceases. Or maybe I misunderstood you. Can you clarify in that case?
And I can understand your sentiment on ATK vs AFK, but even the ATK miners are getting bumped for ransom without a real counter. They can't out maneuver a bumping ship and there isn't a warp method for this either...ship's can't warp 50km. Max requirement for a warp is about 130km-170km. Somewhere there.
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Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.11.09 18:00:00 -
[248] - Quote
Anslo wrote:As stated above, the module could have its trade off, allowing you angry gankers turned bumpers to follow a pseudo cult leader to gank at your leisure against none moving targets with low tank. I don't want an iwin button. We have titans...well HAD titans for that years ago. So no, I don't want an iwin button for miners, but it would be nice for them to have SOMETHING as a trade off. Balance risk and reward, as you all so say  Sorry, but what you said is in no way relevant to what I said.
I said that you already have the option to get rid of bumping with no downsides at all, other than your so-called pride. So you want CCP to introduce an anti-bump module to save your pride. It doesn't matter how many downsides the anti-bump module has, that's just stupid. In EVE, if someone is more powerful than you - and miners are at the bottom of the food chain in terms of power, and should remain there - you either lose your pride or your ship (or in this case, your precious ice).
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Bing Bangboom
Ded End Damage Inc. Ded End Conglomerates
3
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Posted - 2012.11.09 18:02:00 -
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In respect to the magic anti-bumping module, I think the history of miners in Eve is that if it involved any significant tradeoff, such as cutting cargo hold space in half or reducing tank by a significant amount or even having a 10,000,000 ISK price tag, then the miners would not use it.
They always had the option of tanking their Exhumers but few did, so CCP had to give it to them. A miner should think, logically I might add based on CCP history, "why should I compromise my ISK making when I can get what I want by complaining about the PvPers?" The demand for the anchoring module is typical miner response to an outside stimulus, insist CCP nerf someone else because it isn't "balanced" (meaning the miner doesn't like it).
Overall, Anslo represents the kind of miner-thought that made the New Order necessary in the first place. He is just another in a long line of miners who want CCP to change EvE to accomodate them. They do not consider the damage they will do if successful in removing one more aspect of interactive play from High sec. They just want to mine in peace. As a sandbox game, anyone should be able to try and do whatever they want to... but never in peace.
Bing Bangboom Agent of the New Order of Highsec Belligerent Undesirable |

Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2012.11.09 18:03:00 -
[250] - Quote
Anslo wrote:So much for intelligent counter arguments  Try this...
What happened to your condemnation of ad hominems?
"tl;dr Miners should have a form of counter to bumping in exchange for lower tank, lower yeilds, and not being able to move, making them susceptible to a gank. Which, btw Pipa, would mean your argument about the skiff REALLY doesn't work."
TBH, I'm not actually against that module, I'm just not sure how it's relevant to this thread. This thread is about the prospodtariat, is it not? Is the prospodumait in charge of module development? If you have a suggestion about a new module, not only is this the wrong thread, it's the wrong subforum entirely. Since this thread is about the prospodtariat, perhaps you should return to discussing the prospodtariat, instead of pages and pages of offtopic suggestions. Also, while that module isn't necessarily a bad idea, the way in which you present makes people think you want it to be balanced for afk mining, which would be reprehensible. A module with significant drawbacks that you have to manually activate every 30 seconds to keep active, that would work. A continuous module that afkers can use would be ridiculous.
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Pipa Porto
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Posted - 2012.11.09 18:03:00 -
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Anslo wrote: Nice ad hominem following your original statement.
Then, if mining ice doesn't suit your method of countering bumpers while at the keyboard, mine ore. Look at how that thinking thing works.
10 more seconds of thought. In another page, we might have the thinking up to a minute.
Quote:Now you're just grasping at straws. Did I say anything about the bumpers being AFK? No.I'm talking about immunity to consequences from a bump. Miner is bumped, they move away and cant stop. Bumper bumps miner, he...lols? I don't know. A few have tried ganks, war decs, etc, and that stops 1 or 2 or 3. If you knew about this topic, you would know there's probably 10-20 corps with bumpers, with the rest in NPC corps. You could dec them all, and they'd just dock up and hide, like in the case of M0N0 in tolle. He just afks now and stays hidden thanks to that war dec. But there's gods know how many others, MANY in npc corps. Sure, you can gank them. But that doesn't mean they just say "welp" and don't come back. They keep coming. Like roaches.
The entire basis of this thread is complaining that ATK players can affect AFK players without the AFK players having an effective means of defense.
Bumping is the response that emerged to the unwarrented EHP buff to Exhumers. Without that buff, we'd be ganking you instead. Since ganking Exhumers got nerfed into the ground, bumping's the way to show that miners cannot be satisfied with a Multiplayer game that allows non-arena PvP.
If they keep coming back, keep ganking them.
Quote:1) How many times do I have to say READ my posts? The above poster was right, you are like a broken radio. I didn't say 100% unaffected. Good gods.
2) I'm asking for the first to have a form of counter. But you seem to not grasp this concept.
3) No bump trades off to potential gank and/or lower yields. How many times will I need to repeat myself Pipa? 1) Every one I've responded to or has been in a thread of conversation I've responded to.
2) There is one. Be at the keyboard. Fit a prop mod. Orbit things. All of these are counters. You even list them on your website. You're asking for a Hard Counter. That would be an unprecedented new thing in EVE. There are no Hard Counters in Eve, only soft counters of varying firmness.
Quote:Why should highsec ganking be easy? Why should a criminal action in the 'civilized' area of space be profitable? Skiffs aren't giant blocks of tritanium. Warp in with close range boats, damage mod to hell, web, scram and pop. Ta-da.
Why should an entirely untanked Mackinaw be unprofitable to gank? Ganking has only ever been profitable against under or entirely untanked Exhumers. Ganking has only ever been easy against people who are AFK.
Why should it be profitable and easy to gank people who are AFK in untanked Exhumers? Because otherwise there's no reason to be ATK or to fit a Tank to your exhumer. In other words, Industrious or Intelligent people gain no benefit from their industry or intelligence.
CCP Wrangler wrote:EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for. Where does it say "Except High Sec" in this quote? EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
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Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.11.09 18:04:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Darth Gustav wrote: Well it sounds to me like miners should just mine aligned then. Warping reduces yield for a moment.
Being out of range reduces it longer.
ATK should always trump AFK. Sorry.
I tested that oddly enough. There's no way to warp in a way that a miner can still maintain their gathering. Strip miners, much like guns, shut off when you warp. Target lock ceases. Or maybe I misunderstood you. Can you clarify in that case? And I can understand your sentiment on ATK vs AFK, but even the ATK miners are getting bumped for ransom without a real counter. They can't out maneuver a bumping ship and there isn't a warp method for this either...ship's can't warp 50km. Max requirement for a warp is about 130km-170km. Somewhere there. My point is that if miners warp out, the bumpers miss them and have to spend time realigning for their bumps.
I'm also saying that if miners mine aligned they're harder to bump effectively. due to inertia.
If you and a buddy web each other, it becomes nearly impossible to break your range.
Warping out is a last resort. Paying attention and mining aligned should negate the bulk of bumpers' aspirations while affording miners plenty of opportunity to acquire their materials. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Pipa Porto
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Posted - 2012.11.09 18:06:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Darth Gustav wrote: Well it sounds to me like miners should just mine aligned then. Warping reduces yield for a moment.
Being out of range reduces it longer.
ATK should always trump AFK. Sorry.
I tested that oddly enough. There's no way to warp in a way that a miner can still maintain their gathering. Strip miners, much like guns, shut off when you warp. Target lock ceases. Or maybe I misunderstood you. Can you clarify in that case?
When you get bumped, how long does it take before you can turn your strips back on? When you warp, how long does it take before you can turn your strips back on?
Bet you the second one's shorter.
Quote:And I can understand your sentiment on ATK vs AFK, but even the ATK miners are getting bumped for ransom without a real counter. They can't out maneuver a bumping ship and there isn't a warp method for this either...ship's can't warp 50km. Max requirement for a warp is about 130km-170km. Somewhere there.
Yes, they can. Capitals have been warping 50km into 60km wide POS shields from Cynos 5km outside the shield for years.
Here's the hint I'll give you. You cannot warp to any target closer than 150km away. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
537
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Posted - 2012.11.09 18:07:00 -
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Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:I said that you already have the option to get rid of bumping with no downsides at all, other than your so-called pride. So you confirm that you really don't care about the miners or their pride or...anything really because it interferes with your extortion of them?
Quote:So you want CCP to introduce an anti-bump module to save your pride. It doesn't matter how many downsides the anti-bump module has, that's just stupid. Because you are the end all be all of Eve. Many miners and pvpers agree. It would solve the ever popular tears of buffed mining barges. You could gank again should you so choose. But if you'd rather just say "it's stupid" well...you know what they say about fixing that 
Quote:In EVE, if someone is more powerful than you - and miners are at the bottom of the food chain in terms of power, and should remain there - you either lose your pride or your ship (or in this case, your precious ice).
Miners are not traditionally powerful people yes, they're the working class. But, in my opinion, that stigma against miners, against all miners and pve people in general, is really uncalled for. That's why I thought the term proveldtariat was appropriate. The proletariat of eve are the miners, yet they're really stepped on. I never liked that. A gank or a war dec, fine whatever, it's Eve. But I keep seeing consistent hate against miners and high sec people. I swear if there was some kind of slur word against them, it would be the most used words on these forums 
And yes, pride or ship. That's why I suggested and champion a module. Module: Save your pride, loose your ship. No module: Loose your pride, save your ship. Risk, reward. See? 
Quote:It's 150km. Ice belts are anything up to around 250km long.
Really? I see miner modules shut off after 30-40km bumped off. 
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Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
48
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Posted - 2012.11.09 18:10:00 -
[255] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Quote:It's 150km. Ice belts are anything up to around 250km long. Really? I see miner modules shut off after 30-40km bumped off.  Minimum warp distance, not mining range.
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Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
537
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Posted - 2012.11.09 18:13:00 -
[256] - Quote
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:What happened to your condemnation of ad hominems? Just following your brilliant lead 
Quote:TBH, I'm not actually against that module, I'm just not sure how it's relevant to this thread. This thread is about the prospodtariat, is it not? Is the prospodumait in charge of module development? If you have a suggestion about a new module, not only is this the wrong thread, it's the wrong subforum entirely. Since this thread is about the prospodtariat, perhaps you should return to discussing the prospodtariat, instead of pages and pages of offtopic suggestions. Also, while that module isn't necessarily a bad idea, the way in which you present makes people think you want it to be balanced for afk mining, which would be reprehensible. A module with significant drawbacks that you have to manually activate every 30 seconds to keep active, that would work. A continuous module that afkers can use would be ridiculous.
No, we're not in charge of module development. Much like the bumpers, this is an emergent group in answer to the bumping. There is actually already a thread about the anchor I believe. But I felt the need to correct people in their assumptions that I am for 100% safe mining. Therefore, I brought to light the anchor idea posited a while ago. As for the accusation that I want it balanced for afk mining, you're wrong.
IF person x uses the anchor, than person x is susceptible to a gank if they aren't paying attention. They also cannot move, at all. Thus an anchor, much like a cyno field generator. So, if they're afk, and even if they fit the module and their hold is full, they will have to wait, and they will be gankable.
But I agree with your last sentence. I keep thinking about a cyno generator. That thing pulses once but lasts ....i think 3-5 minutes? And you have to reactivate for it to continue pulsing. So a system like that, I am 100% for.
Quote:edit: ccp would have to be very careful when balancing that module so that it didn't benefit botters, or no one would support it but botters and shortsighted ice miners. And that's what we have hulkageddon for \o/
Bing Bangboom wrote: In respect to the magic anti-bumping module, I think the history of miners in Eve is that if it involved any significant tradeoff, such as cutting cargo hold space in half or reducing tank by a significant amount or even having a 10,000,000 ISK price tag, then the miners would not use it.
Then it's their fault. But at least a counter would exist. If it existed, they can't be credited to complain, because there is something there they can use to stop it.
Quote:Overall, Anslo represents the kind of miner-thought that made the New Order necessary in the first place. He is just another in a long line of miners who want CCP to change EvE to accomodate them. They do not consider the damage they will do if successful in removing one more aspect of interactive play from High sec. They just want to mine in peace. As a sandbox game, anyone should be able to try and do whatever they want to... but never in peace.
You...really don't read anything I say do you? Wowza!
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Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
1645
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Posted - 2012.11.09 18:13:00 -
[257] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:I said that you already have the option to get rid of bumping with no downsides at all, other than your so-called pride. So you confirm that you really don't care about the miners or their pride or...anything really because it interferes with your extortion of them? Quote:So you want CCP to introduce an anti-bump module to save your pride. It doesn't matter how many downsides the anti-bump module has, that's just stupid. Because you are the end all be all of Eve. Many miners and pvpers agree. It would solve the ever popular tears of buffed mining barges. You could gank again should you so choose. But if you'd rather just say "it's stupid" well...you know what they say about fixing that  Quote:In EVE, if someone is more powerful than you - and miners are at the bottom of the food chain in terms of power, and should remain there - you either lose your pride or your ship (or in this case, your precious ice). Miners are not traditionally powerful people yes, they're the working class. But, in my opinion, that stigma against miners, against all miners and pve people in general, is really uncalled for. That's why I thought the term proveldtariat was appropriate. The proletariat of eve are the miners, yet they're really stepped on. I never liked that. A gank or a war dec, fine whatever, it's Eve. But I keep seeing consistent hate against miners and high sec people. I swear if there was some kind of slur word against them, it would be the most used words on these forums  And yes, pride or ship. That's why I suggested and champion a module. Module: Save your pride, loose your ship. No module: Loose your pride, save your ship. Risk, reward. See?  Quote:It's 150km. Ice belts are anything up to around 250km long. Really? I see miner modules shut off after 30-40km bumped off.  In the old days they wouldn't have had any modules left. 
They'd be crying on TS about how they were changing their ipod setlist and they came back to an unexpected spacedock.
I'd say this is all really pretty relative.
"Mine aligned and pay attention!" should be the mantra of anybody hoping to mine in peace, not, "Give us a no-bump module!"
By the way did you know if you light a cynosural field you can't move?
Why won't miners fit cynos and just adapt?
Edit: Oh right, no cynos in the kiddie pool!  He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
537
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Posted - 2012.11.09 18:19:00 -
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Quote:They'd be crying on TS about how they were changing their ipod setlist and they came back to an unexpected spacedock.
I'd say this is all really pretty relative.
"Mine aligned and pay attention!" should be the mantra of anybody hoping to mine in peace, not, "Give us a no-bump module!"
By the way did you know if you light a cynosural field you can't move?
Why won't miners fit cynos and just adapt?
I lol'd at the old days comment. Bitter vet much? 
Also I don't think you can light a cyno in high sec....I might be wrong. If that's the case then the answer to this whole situation lies there. But I really don't think cynos are allowed in high.
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Minimum warp distance, not mining range.
Ah, thank you. But still, my point stands on that. Even ATK miners are not able to counter that. They could warp as I've seen done, buuuuut then they can't get a cycle off at all. No defense, no nothing.
Darth Gustav wrote:
My point is that if miners warp out, the bumpers miss them and have to spend time realigning for their bumps.
I'm also saying that if miners mine aligned they're harder to bump effectively. due to inertia.
If you and a buddy web each other, it becomes nearly impossible to break your range.
Warping out is a last resort. Paying attention and mining aligned should negate the bulk of bumpers' aspirations while affording miners plenty of opportunity to acquire their materials.
They warp out, but then their cycles dont go off. They collect nothing. Also bumpers do not take that long to realign. It's maybe 5 seconds and then MWD. And yes I know the inertia argument, but they're bounced so hard and fast that it doesn't help. The webbing thing, I know. A few miners are now using it. But yeah the aligning thing, I'm not too sure I'm getting.
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Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
537
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Posted - 2012.11.09 18:31:00 -
[259] - Quote
Pipa Porto wrote:Then, if mining ice doesn't suit your method of countering bumpers while at the keyboard, mine ore. Look at how that thinking thing works. Why should they have to change? And again, it's not just AFKs having this issue, ATKs do as well. Aaand again with the brilliant ad hominems of thought time :p
Quote:The entire basis of this thread is complaining that ATK players can affect AFK players without the AFK players having an effective means of defense. Any means of defense, at all. It applies as much to AFK as ATK. Right now, there's no risk to ATK bumpers bumping afk bumpers. They just get away with it, plain and simple. But the module anchor would prevent the bumping, but then the bumper could just gank. In the end, all is balanced.
Quote: 1) Every one I've responded to or has been in a thread of conversation I've responded to.
2) There is one. Be at the keyboard. Fit a prop mod. Orbit things. All of these are counters. You even list them on your website. You're asking for a Hard Counter. That would be an unprecedented new thing in EVE. There are no Hard Counters in Eve, only soft counters of varying firmness.
1) Mkay then
2) And again, ATK's are just as susceptible. Watch it happen, get bumped yourself once. Test it. But I do see your concern about a "hard counter" for this. I didn't say the idea was perfect. But it's an idea! \o/
Quote: Why should an entirely untanked Mackinaw be unprofitable to gank? Ganking has only ever been profitable against under or entirely untanked Exhumers. Ganking has only ever been easy against people who are AFK.
Why should it be profitable and easy to gank people who are AFK in untanked Exhumers? Because otherwise there's no reason to be ATK or to fit a Tank to your exhumer. In other words, Industrious or Intelligent people gain no benefit from their industry or intelligence.
I feel like there's a risk/reward imbalance for ganking a non-combatant ship that's essentially paper and gaining isk from it....but then again I may be misunderstanding your point here. As for your second answer here, you're saying it should be easy to gank, in the governmental/empire areas of space, because it makes ATK players actions more beneficial? I think that'd depend on what they even do with their minerals before you could determine what belittles what. In the end, it's all shooting rocks. I don't think there's anyway to really belittle "intelligent" action while mining. Slap on a few boosts to an orca, fleet, target, fire. Now if you said this into relation of industrialism, I could see that.
Quote:Where does it say "Except High Sec" in this quote? Really are a broken radio I'll say it again. Module. Low armor tank. No bump. pewpew.
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Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2012.11.09 18:32:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Nathalie LaPorte wrote:What happened to your condemnation of ad hominems? Just following your brilliant lead 
That would be a good thing, if you'd do it consistently. Since you don't, it just makes you an inconsistent flip-flopper. (p.s. "just following your brilliant lead' is technically the fallacy of 'tu quoque', which is just as bad as the fallacy of 'ad hominem', you knew that right ?
"No, we're not in charge of module development. Much like the bumpers, this is an emergent group in answer to the bumping. There is actually already a thread about the anchor I believe. But I felt the need to correct people in their assumptions that I am for 100% safe mining. Therefore, I brought to light the anchor idea posited a while ago. As for the accusation that I want it balanced for afk mining, you're wrong."
You're not for 100% safe afk mining??? From your blog:
" WE are the proletariat workers who feed and provide to ALL through the sweat of our brow. HOW we do that is irrelevant, but we do it! AFK OR NOT!"
"YOU ARE ENTITLED TO PLAY YOUR WAY"
--If miners are 'entitled' to 'play their way' without interruption, 'AFK OR NOT', then you are for safe afk mining. You are a proven liar, by your own words. |
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Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
537
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Posted - 2012.11.09 18:36:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote: When you get bumped, how long does it take before you can turn your strips back on? When you warp, how long does it take before you can turn your strips back on?
Bet you the second one's shorter.
Depends on how long it takes you to get back to the roid. Either way, turning them ON is an irrelevant point, it's the completion of the cycle that matters. So warp all you want, you can't complete a cycle to get your ice.
Quote: Yes, they can. Capitals have been warping 50km into 60km wide POS shields from Cynos 5km outside the shield for years.
Here's the hint I'll give you. You cannot warp to any target closer than 150km away.
So you can, say, set a 40-50km book mark, making like a cube around your roid of choice. Then you warp within whatever of those bookmarks? I still don't see how that solves it. When you warp, you break target lock. So yes they could stay near the roid, but they have even less respite from completing their cycle than if they tried to warp 150km away.
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Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
537
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Posted - 2012.11.09 18:42:00 -
[262] - Quote
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:That would be a good thing, if you'd do it consistently. Since you don't, it just makes you an inconsistent flip-flopper. (p.s. "just following your brilliant lead' is technically the fallacy of 'tu quoque', which is just as bad as the fallacy of 'ad hominem', you knew that right ?)
Yet you using that as another ad hominem is any better? LOGIC!
Quote:You're not for 100% safe afk mining??? From your blog:
" WE are the proletariat workers who feed and provide to ALL through the sweat of our brow. HOW we do that is irrelevant, but we do it! AFK OR NOT!"
"YOU ARE ENTITLED TO PLAY YOUR WAY"
--If miners are 'entitled' to 'play their way' without interruption, 'AFK OR NOT', then you are for safe afk mining. You are a proven liar, by your own words.
Playing their way is not the same as safe afk. Look at the anti bump section. I highlight that there's no such thing as 100% safe, but there's methods to at least help them.
Since you seem so gun ho about trying to prove me a liar, I'll break it down nice and simple for you~
" WE are the proletariat workers who feed and provide to ALL through the sweat of our brow. HOW we do that is irrelevant, but we do it! AFK OR NOT!"
How we mine is irrelevant to us. We feel if we want to mine atk or afk, that's our choice, and a counter to defend one or the other should be given. If you are atk, and with people or alts etc, web each other and voila, harder to bump. If you're afk, use the anchor, but risk getting ganked while afk. Either way, they are not enabled to play how they want without paying their hard earned isk to some extortionist.
As it stands now, there is nothing much ATK or AFK miners can do to stop bumping. There's methods to curb, but not to stop.
"YOU ARE ENTITLED TO PLAY YOUR WAY"
Yes, they are. I believe when you pay for the use of a product, you get to use the product within its constraints how you choose. Bumpers do not let miners do that. At all.
You are proven desperate to oust me as a liar, by your own accusations :)
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Bing Bangboom
Ded End Damage Inc. Ded End Conglomerates
4
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Posted - 2012.11.09 18:42:00 -
[263] - Quote
Anslo wrote:You...really don't read anything I say do you?  Wowza!
Actually I do.
It was alright when you told the miners not to pay us, or gave them anti-bumping methods, or created a list of bumpers (which I am still NOT ON, DANGIT!). But when you started asking CCP to give you a module you went too far. It revealed your true motive which was to get CCP to fix the problem, not your movement. If you believe you can organize the miners into an effective resistance to the New Order you need to leave CCP out of it and just do it. If you believe, as I do, that the miners will not act except in their individual self interest than you must have CCP act because your attempt to get them to individually sacrifice anything to help others goes against their very nature.
All in all, your efforts are wasted. We are the ones affecting change.
Sometimes, all it takes to start a revolution is for one man to stand up and say "Enough". Or in this case, "Bump".
BB AotNOoHS BU
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Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2012.11.09 18:50:00 -
[264] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Nathalie LaPorte wrote:That would be a good thing, if you'd do it consistently. Since you don't, it just makes you an inconsistent flip-flopper. (p.s. "just following your brilliant lead' is technically the fallacy of 'tu quoque', which is just as bad as the fallacy of 'ad hominem', you knew that right ?) Yet you using that as another ad hominem is any better?  LOGIC!
Yes, since you started the ad hominem mentioning, me using ad hominems is just rhetoric, while you using it is hypocritical rhetoric ;)
"Playing their way is not the same as safe afk."
"Yes, they are. I believe when you pay for the use of a product, you get to use the product within its constraints how you choose. Bumpers do not let miners do that. At all."
Again, you contradict yourself. Bumpers ARE those constraints. You can't have it both ways. Either people are able to play the way they want, within the constraints of the EVE universe which include bumpers, and your second quote above is false, or people aren't, and your first quote is false. The contradictions are there in print, you can't wiggle out of it, although you can fool yourself into thinking you did.
Quote: You are proven desperate to oust me as a liar, by your own accusations :)
I've proven that your statements contradict each other. If you want to claim that I was 'desperate' to do so, then that's highly ironic, as I'm not the one making websites because I'm so invested in this issue. Again, thanks for the laughs. Have you considered comedy as a career? |

Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
537
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Posted - 2012.11.09 18:51:00 -
[265] - Quote
Bing Bangboom wrote:It was alright when you told the miners not to pay us, or gave them anti-bumping methods, or created a list of bumpers (which I am still NOT ON, DANGIT!). But when you started asking CCP to give you a module you went too far.
Ooh? Hit a nerve did I?
Quote:It revealed your true motive which was to get CCP to fix the problem, not your movement. Or I revealed my personal position in the matter. The movement isn't telling miners to mass petition CCP to make them change the game. The idea is being discussed in F&I and I brought it up to show I am not for 100% safe afk mining. That's ridiculous. I am however for some balanced way to be provided for miners to protect themselves from either bump or gank, but not both at the same time.
No, the movement is not to whine to CCP. It's to remind carebears that bears have teeth, and to show them how to use them. Admittedly, it's slow and small, but all resistance starts somewhere 
Quote:If you believe you can organize the miners into an effective resistance to the order you need to leave CCP out of it and just do it.
Welp, that's what I was doing, and still am doing, but someone made a mistake on my personal beliefs, so I corrected them. See above, I'm not telling miners to demand a module. I'm telling them to adapt and fight for their rights. If they choose to adopt my stance, oh well. If not, oh well to. The point is not to mass whine. The point is to resist you lot.
Quote:If you believe, as I do, that the miners will not act except in their individual self interest than you must have CCP act because your attempt to get them to individually sacrifice anything to help others goes against their very nature. If the miners don't listen, it's their choice. But miners are listening, they're resisting, they're reacting. They're working together, grouping up, nestling, war deccing, moving around to avoid you.
As far as I'm concerned, I fully believe miners capable of self defense. They are showing it. The Resistance is alive and well 
Quote:All in all, your efforts are wasted. We are the ones affecting change.
Sometimes, all it takes to start a revolution is for one man to stand up and say "Enough". Or in this case, "Bump".
As long as one miner is resisting you, as long as one miner refuses to pay, to move around, to use a skiff, to speak against you, and even to dec you and settle the matter, My effort is not wasted. What is wasted is your breath trying to stop me from doing this. If I am such an insignificant individual and our movement is so small, why do you feel the need to address it at every turn and speak against it? It's almost like you're threatened by the fact that some bears got together and said "nope" to your "order."
You are not the only one "affecting change." You have competition. We're small now, we can't fight you head on now. But give it time, good sir. Give it time. Like you said, all it takes to start a revolution is one man to stand up and say "Enough." Or in this case, some miners :)
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
899
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Posted - 2012.11.09 18:59:00 -
[266] - Quote
If you don't understand the "why" just stop mining, wait until prices go up and start bumping those ships yourself.
If you didn't realised yet a lot of ganks and this "awesome" bumping thing is done by alts from large mining organisations and botters then you missed something.
CCP would never do it but I'm almost sure we'd be laughing out loud if they would give us access to those accounts names and figure out how many are on 1st/2nd offence or account ban for botting.
I once laughed when I listened to CCP Shreegs saying in some key note he got one go the most known players in the game using bots.
Now this was kinda interesting, sadly CCP haven't decided yet to put a tag "name it and shame it" on those accounts or all of the accounts related to the same person. Probably half of those posting here would suddenly disappear.
CCP: name and shame !! DO IT NAO !! brb |

Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
537
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Posted - 2012.11.09 19:00:00 -
[267] - Quote
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
Yes, since you started the ad hominem mentioning, me using ad hominems is just rhetoric, while you using it is hypocritical rhetoric ;)
You're gonna give me carpal tunnel with your persistence 
As far as I can see, it's not hypocritical, you're assuming everyone would see your ad hominem as rhetoric, that's jsut a baseless assumption. Not everyone thinks liek you 
Quote:"Playing their way is not the same as safe afk."
"Yes, they are. I believe when you pay for the use of a product, you get to use the product within its constraints how you choose. Bumpers do not let miners do that. At all."
Again, you contradict yourself. Bumpers ARE those constraints. You can't have it both ways. Either people are able to play the way they want, within the constraints of the EVE universe which include bumpers, and your second quote above is false, or people aren't, and your first quote is false. The contradictions are there in print, you can't wiggle out of it, although you can fool yourself into thinking you did.
No, I don't contradict myself. Bumpers are not a constraint. They are not programmed into the game. They are an anomaly (no not an ingame npc anomaly). But you seem very intent on trying to prove me a flip flopper. So once again, I'll spell it nice and slowly out for you :)
"Playing their way is not the same as safe afk." Indeed. If someone wants to be able to play afk, they should be able to. As it stands, they cannot at all. The module would enable them to do so, but not in complete safety, as gank is possible. Therefore, it is not 100% safe afk. But it is, atleast, a counter.
"Yes, they are. I believe when you pay for the use of a product, you get to use the product within its constraints how you choose. Bumpers do not let miners do that. At all."
This echoes the above,and I'm not too sure how you don't see that. Currently, the product constraints are leaned towards the bumpers, not the miners. The miners get the short end of the stick. They bumpers are an anomaly in comparison to the constraints. Think of it this way. You don't to be ECM'd? Use ECCM. You dont wanna be neuted? Have a logi cap trans you. Don't wanna be bumped? Welp.
Quote: I've proven that your statements contradict each other. If you want to claim that I was 'desperate' to do so, then that's highly ironic, as I'm not the one making websites because I'm so invested in this issue. Again, thanks for the laughs. Have you considered comedy as a career?
Not really, you just seem to keep attacking with x and I keep answering x with the correct way. Then you just...change x around, yet it has the same answer. Also, making a website does not equate to desperation. Another interesting assumption though! 
And you're welcome for the laughs! Hope you learned something!
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Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
49
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Posted - 2012.11.09 19:01:00 -
[268] - Quote
Anslo wrote:As far as I'm concerned, I fully believe miners capable of self defense. They are showing it. The Resistance is alive and well  Really?
I mean, there's been one post with actual content in, one flawed spreadsheet of people you claim are bumpers, one list of techniques for dealing with bumpers (like orbit, 'cause nobody could work that one out) and one page that promises a 'Proveldtariat Manifesto'. And I certainly haven't seen you doing anything ingame to combat the bumping.
Honestly, you're going to need to start producing more content if you want to claim that the Resistance is alive and well. At the moment, it's looking like a poorly thought out idea that has discovered that it has troubles with manpower and resources to produce the content it needs.
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Bing Bangboom
Ded End Damage Inc. Ded End Conglomerates
4
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Posted - 2012.11.09 19:09:00 -
[269] - Quote
Anslo wrote:
As long as one miner is resisting you, as long as one miner refuses to pay, to move around, to use a skiff, to speak against you, and even to dec you and settle the matter, My effort is not wasted. What is wasted is your breath trying to stop me from doing this. If I am such an insignificant individual and our movement is so small, why do you feel the need to address it at every turn and speak against it? It's almost like you're threatened by the fact that some bears got together and said "nope" to your "order."
You are not the only one "affecting change." You have competition. We're small now, we can't fight you head on now. But give it time, good sir. Give it time. Like you said, all it takes to start a revolution is one man to stand up and say "Enough." Or in this case, some miners :)
Actually, I just like arguing about it.
I do admire your sticking to your world-view on this. Last night in Tolle would have been discouraging to me if I was in your shoes. Of course you will say there was effective resistance but I successfully bumped any of the miners I chose, one repeatedly as you saw while trying to prevent me and I will do so again. I even bumped you twice while you were sitting around doing absolutely nothing.
I've been counterbumped, had 4 gank attempts on me, been wardecced, been petitioned numerous times. I've bumped orbiters, anglers, nestlers. I've been cursed in four languages. The only thing that has stopped me has been the payment of the 10,000,000 ISK and once, a better offer from my wife. So, the best weapon you have is pay up or send pleading messages to my wife (although pleading doesn't really work that well).
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Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2012.11.09 19:14:00 -
[270] - Quote
Anslo wrote:You're gonna give me carpal tunnel with your persistence  As far as I can see, it's not hypocritical, you're assuming everyone would see your ad hominem as rhetoric, that's jsut a baseless assumption. Not everyone thinks liek you 
'rhetorical fallacies' is a technical term for those fallacies. It's not an assumption on my part, it's me using an accepted term for them. Sorry. Would you like a source from a Philosophy professor defining them as such?
"No, I don't contradict myself. Bumpers are not a constraint. They are not programmed into the game. They are an anomaly (no not an ingame npc anomaly). But you seem very intent on trying to prove me a flip flopper. So once again, I'll spell it nice and slowly out for you :)"
Again, you reveal your boring solo-play bias. EVE is a sandbox. This means that other players are intentionally meant to constrain your actions. Pipa Porto already quoted the devs on that subject a ton, so I won't repeat those quotes.
"Indeed. If someone wants to be able to play afk, they should be able to. As it stands, they cannot at all. " If they go afk, they instantly die? No? Then your statement that they cannot at all is obviously false.
Here's a bet. you claim that miners can't play afk, "at all", I claim that they can and commonly do, 23/7. I'll bet that I can fill up a Mackinaw with ice, while afk(not this toon, this toon isn't a miner). If I win, you'll disband your prospodtariat. If I can't, I'll give you the Mackinaw. Deal?
Quote:Also, making a website does not equate to desperation. Another interesting assumption though! 
I never said making a website equates to desperation, that's just an interesting assumption you made :)
thanks for more laughs :)
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Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
538
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Posted - 2012.11.09 19:16:00 -
[271] - Quote
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:I mean, there's been one post with actual content in, one flawed spreadsheet of people you claim are bumpers, one list of techniques for dealing with bumpers (like orbit, 'cause nobody could work that one out) and one page that promises a 'Proveldtariat Manifesto'. And I certainly haven't seen you doing anything ingame to combat the bumping.
Whether you choose to acknowledge the effectiveness or relevance of the Proveldtariat is irrelevant to me. If the miners use it, even 1, that's more than enough to satisfy me.
Quote:Honestly, you're going to need to start producing more content if you want to claim that the Resistance is alive and well. At the moment, it's looking like a poorly thought out idea that has discovered that it has troubles with manpower and resources to produce the content it needs.
Content is good, but not for the sake of content. If I post it, it'll have a purpose. I'm new at managing or bothering with a blog, others who are used to it are either busy in RL or aren't satisfied with what was written. It's a slow learning process, but we learn! 
I don't think it's a bad idea, but I could definitely use help. But all in good time!
Bing Bangboom wrote: I do admire your sticking to your world-view on this. Last night in Tolle would have been discouraging to me if I was in your shoes. Of course you will say there was effective resistance but I successfully bumped any of the miners I chose, one repeatedly as you saw while trying to prevent me and I will do so again. I even bumped you twice while you were sitting around doing absolutely nothing.
Thank you for the compliment  It's all early, all new. The more I study and learn, the more I'll find ways to stop you. For now, I take my in-game defeats with grace. Getting angry will do nothing. Patience and a thirst for knowledge will ensure the Proveldtariat victorious!
Quote: I've been counterbumped, had 4 gank attempts on me, been wardecced, been petitioned numerous times. I've bumped orbiters, anglers, nestlers. I've been cursed in four languages. The only thing that has stopped me has been the payment of the 10,000,000 ISK and once, a better offer from my wife. So, the best weapon you have is pay up or send pleading messages to my wife (although pleading doesn't really work that well).
But the fact is that people are TRYING to stop you, and to an extent it works. It won't stop you yet, but in time. For now, an existing resistance is more than enough.
And, mindless to you insulting your wife (ouch man), NEVER PAY THE FINE! Resist comrades! (click the below link~)
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Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
538
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Posted - 2012.11.09 19:25:00 -
[272] - Quote
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:'rhetorical fallacies' is a technical term for those fallacies. It's not an assumption on my part, it's me using an accepted term for them. Sorry. Would you like a source from a Philosophy professor defining them as such?
No thanks, nice cover though?
Quote:Again, you reveal your boring solo-play bias. EVE is a sandbox. This means that other players are intentionally meant to constrain your actions. Pipa Porto already quoted the devs on that subject a ton, so I won't repeat those quotes. That has nothing to do with proving I contradict anything. Way to switch gears. Eve is a sandbox, and people don't have to play with others in a specific way in the sandbox. Again, you assume alleged afk solo miners aren't talking to others in private chat or over voice chat. And yes, they can constrain SOME gameplay, but within those constraints there have always been game mechanic backings to help. anti ecm, anti cap drain, etc. None exists for bumpers.
And just in case you misconstrue those words, that does not mean I want an IWIN button, it's a call for a balanced module.
Quote:If they go afk, they instantly die? No? Then your statement that they cannot at all is obviously false. Dude, what the hell are you even talking about now? If they go afk now, they don't die instantly, but they are bumped, and it can't be stopped in anyway.
Quote:Here's a bet. you claim that miners can't play afk, "at all", I claim that they can and commonly do, 23/7. I'll bet that I can fill up a Mackinaw with ice, while afk(not this toon, this toon isn't a miner). If I win, you'll disband your prospodtariat. If I can't, I'll give you the Mackinaw. Deal? Sure they can play afk, they can sit, there. If you want to go into semantics like that... But when I say play afk, it means sitting there and being able to mine and obtain minerals. So as it stands without your semantic play, no, they can't. But why would I bet on that? Of course you're anti proveldtariat. You could go into a bumper system, they'd know who you are, and let you mine to prove me wrong. What a silly deal...
Quote: I never said making a website equates to desperation, that's just an interesting assumption you made :)
thanks for more laughs :)
If you want to claim that I was 'desperate' to do so, then that's highly ironic, as I'm not the one making websites because I'm so invested in this issue. Are those not your words? Jeesh, now I'm having a laugh at you 
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Khergit Deserters
Gallente Federation
188
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Posted - 2012.11.09 19:44:00 -
[273] - Quote
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:Anslo wrote:Bing Bangboom wrote: As has been pointed out many times already, there IS a module to prevent bumping. It costs 10,000,000 ISK, is available from any Agent of the New Order of Highsec, and lasts for one full year. Cut the pseudo RP for a second = =|| that's not a module, that's called a ransom. which is better than a module, as you keep it even if you lose your ship :) Let's call it a "module-squared" "Yes, there is. One is a module "take" that can keep them there, and they choose to invest in themselves so that no one else that they don't want to (i.e. extortionists) takes their money. The other, is a scam/ransom. That's like saying the mafia of old days were a "legitimate business."" In EVE piracy, mercenary warfare, and scamming are all seen as legitimate businesses. So, if the Mafia were in EVE, they would be a legitimate business as well :) We're really getting somewhere, we agree on everything and now you just have to recognize the authority of the New Order. "Except they shouldn't have to observe your "code" because it's not CCP sanctioned rules and basically ruin an individuals good time and recreation unless they pay some thugs off. No bueno  " Si bueno, because it is CCP sanctioned as CCP encourages player generated content :) Indeed. Piracy, scamming, etc. are all legitimate business. The game rules and game mechanics encourage them. And the game mechanics encourage, or at least don't discourage, AFK mining. If CCP wanted to, it could easily add a game mechanic that required players be constantly ATK while mining. And CCP has never said AFK mining is an exploit. So apparently CCP doesn't see any harm in AFK mining. It's a legal and legitimate way to play the game.
Secondly-- you bumpgeoisie know that Goon members have weekly mining quotas, right? You think they do all their mining ATK? You going to go bump them? Kid:-á I wish we had time to bury them fellas. Josey Wales:-á To hell with them fellas. Buzzards gotta eat, same as worms.
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Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
50
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Posted - 2012.11.09 19:50:00 -
[274] - Quote
Khergit Deserters wrote:Secondly-- you bumpgeoisie know that Goon members have weekly mining quotas, right? You think they do all their mining ATK? You going to go bump them? ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaahahah you think?
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Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2012.11.09 20:13:00 -
[275] - Quote
Anslo wrote:a lot of words that added up to nothing
If you feel like saying something worth responding to, let me know.
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Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
541
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Posted - 2012.11.09 20:16:00 -
[276] - Quote
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:Anslo wrote:a lot of words that added up to nothing If you feel like saying something worth responding to, let me know.
Nice retort. Thanks for playing though! 
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Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2012.11.09 20:27:00 -
[277] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Nice retort. Thanks for playing though! 
Nope, still not worth a substantive response. Keep trying! :)
If I provide clear evidence of you contradicting yourself, and then you spend a long post tying your already made argument into long senseless knots, that will continue to be filed in the circular cabinet by all readers, not just me :) I'm just being polite and letting you know how things stand.
Khergit Deserters wrote:Indeed. Piracy, scamming, etc. are all legitimate business. The game rules and game mechanics encourage them. And the game mechanics encourage, or at least don't discourage, AFK mining. If CCP wanted to, it could easily add a game mechanic that required players be constantly ATK while mining. And CCP has never said AFK mining is an exploit. So apparently CCP doesn't see any harm in AFK mining. It's a legal and legitimate way to play the game.
"Our ultimate goal is that PvP and PvE fits should be the same and a lot of the thought process should be the same. That is... a long way off though."--CCP FoxFour.
So, CCP clearly wants to make AFK PVE not viable, and clearly CCP doesn't think it's a quick or easy fix. The quote above is about combat missions and plexes, not mining, but it's the closest quote I could find, and I'm going with this as their viewpoint unless you can supply a quote from CCP showing that they think mining should be different from other PVE in that respect. :) |

Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
541
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Posted - 2012.11.09 20:32:00 -
[278] - Quote
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:Nope, still not worth a substantive response. Keep trying! :) Yet here you are? And you say I flip flop. I don't know who's worse, the bumpers or your need to argue 
Quote:If I provide clear evidence of you contradicting yourself, and then you spend a long post tying your already made argument into long senseless knots, that will continue to be filed in the circular cabinet by all readers, not just me :) I'm just being polite and letting you know how things stand. Except that each piece of evidence was clearly explained away and your attempts to twist words were ultimately exposed, thus you stopped. They may be senseless to you, and for that I'm sorry. Can't please all of the people all of the time I suppose  I'm also sorry you think it's circular. But oh well.
Quote:So, CCP clearly wants to make AFK PVE not viable, and clearly CCP doesn't think it's a quick or easy fix. The quote above is about combat missions and plexes, not mining, but it's the closest quote I could find, and I'm going with this as their viewpoint unless you can supply a quote from CCP showing that they think mining should be different from other PVE in that respect. :)
You guys should really try not dredging up 10 year old quotes and get a modern day quote. I wonder if those sentiments are still the same? You base your assumptions on old data, i.e. old quotes. What about modern thinking of the company? So I believe the burden rests with you to provide a modern day quote to back yourself up.
hth

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Khergit Deserters
Gallente Federation
188
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Posted - 2012.11.09 20:34:00 -
[279] - Quote
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:Secondly-- you bumpgeoisie know that Goon members have weekly mining quotas, right? You think they do all their mining ATK? You going to go bump them? ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaahahah you think? ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaahahah Uh, what? Kid:-á I wish we had time to bury them fellas. Josey Wales:-á To hell with them fellas. Buzzards gotta eat, same as worms.
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Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2012.11.09 20:37:00 -
[280] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Yet here you are? And you say I flip flop. I don't know who's worse, the bumpers or your need to argue 
here I am, dropping that line of discussion like it's hot, yes :)
Quote: You guys should really try not dredging up 10 year old quotes and get a modern day quote. I wonder if those sentiments are still the same? You base your assumptions on old data, i.e. old quotes. What about modern thinking of the company? So I believe the burden rests with you to provide a modern day quote to back yourself up.
The quote that I already provided was from September 20, 2012. :) (About how the AI revamp will make PVE less afk-able and more like PVP fits) If I'm not mistaken, that's less then 10 years old :) |
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Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
542
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Posted - 2012.11.09 20:41:00 -
[281] - Quote
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:here I am, dropping that line of discussion like it's hot, yes :)
Yet you still formulated a response. And I'm contradictory? 
Quote:The quote that I already provided was from September 20, 2012. :) (About how the AI revamp will make PVE less afk-able and more like PVP fits) If I'm not mistaken, that's less then 10 years old :)
Well so it is! Alright, you're on that point. Apologies!
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Mr Pragmatic
55
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Posted - 2012.11.09 22:34:00 -
[282] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:Tesal wrote:All the miners are doing is validating the New Order griefers. It gives them MORE of a reason to bump people because they now have an opponent. The best way to defeat the New Order is to ignore them. If they are ignored they will get bored in a couple of months and quit bumping. Miners have been saying the since the beginning. Mr Pragmatic wrote:AFK mining is a viable form of game play. Sometimes you just have to DEAL WITH IT. Oh, but we are. We are dealing with it.
You are failing at it. you think you are stopping the afk mining, but Eve is a big universe, and you can't stop us. Maybe this world is another planet's hell. -Aldous Huxley
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Khergit Deserters
Gallente Federation
188
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Posted - 2012.11.09 23:02:00 -
[283] - Quote
Bing Bangboom wrote: I've been counterbumped, had 4 gank attempts on me, been wardecced, been petitioned numerous times. I've bumped orbiters, anglers, nestlers. I've been cursed in four languages. The only thing that has stopped me has been the payment of the 10,000,000 ISK and once, a better offer from my wife. So, the best weapon you have is pay up or send pleading messages to my wife (although pleading doesn't really work that well).
BBB
No, pleading doesn't work that well on my end either. But that's a topic for another thread.... Aside from the petitioning, I'd say these unknown members of the proveldtariat have shown commendable resistance. Continue, miners, with the counterbumping, gank atttempts, wardeccing, and cursing in multiple languages! Kid:-á I wish we had time to bury them fellas. Josey Wales:-á To hell with them fellas. Buzzards gotta eat, same as worms.
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KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
1076
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Posted - 2012.11.10 01:41:00 -
[284] - Quote
I'm still waiting for my listing, don't make me actually have to work for it. www.minerbumping.com - because your tears are delicious |

Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
413
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Posted - 2012.11.10 02:52:00 -
[285] - Quote
seeing a lot of talk about how super balanced an anchor would be but no talk of why miners should be immune to bumps beyond 'they don't want to pay 10mil because of their pride'
suck it up
if you can do something to protect yourself you do it, pride or no
the New Order has all the authority as should matter to you embodied in their stabbers |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
974
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Posted - 2012.11.10 03:10:00 -
[286] - Quote
Mr Pragmatic wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Tesal wrote:All the miners are doing is validating the New Order griefers. It gives them MORE of a reason to bump people because they now have an opponent. The best way to defeat the New Order is to ignore them. If they are ignored they will get bored in a couple of months and quit bumping. Miners have been saying the since the beginning. Mr Pragmatic wrote:AFK mining is a viable form of game play. Sometimes you just have to DEAL WITH IT. Oh, but we are. We are dealing with it. You are failing at it. you think you are stopping the afk mining, but Eve is a big universe, and you can't stop us.
One system at a time.
Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
974
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Posted - 2012.11.10 03:24:00 -
[287] - Quote
I like reading blogs, even the ones from enemy organisations that are terrible posters. As such, I found this:
Anslo wrote:In general, a miner can be expected to have more ISK available than a miner bumper (unless, of course, the bumper is James 315 himself, who is stupidly rich from his GÇÿsharesGÇÖ scam).
To sum up my thoughts on this; Rebel leader claims miners have more ISK than bumpers, thinks 24B makes someone stupidly rich. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1711
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Posted - 2012.11.10 03:56:00 -
[288] - Quote
Benny Ohu wrote:seeing a lot of talk about how super balanced an anchor would be but no talk of why miners should be immune to bumps beyond 'they don't want to pay 10mil because of their pride'
suck it up
if you can do something to protect yourself you do it, pride or no
the New Order has all the authority as should matter to you embodied in their stabbers The thing is, you see
Quote:if you can do something to protect yourself you do it, pride or no If CCP can do something to protect you, whine to them, even if you get trolled in GD. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Zak Fey
Midget Stripper's Union
3
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Posted - 2012.11.10 06:02:00 -
[289] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:I like reading blogs, even the ones from enemy organisations that are terrible posters. As such, I found this: Anslo wrote:In general, a miner can be expected to have more ISK available than a miner bumper (unless, of course, the bumper is James 315 himself, who is stupidly rich from his GÇÿsharesGÇÖ scam). To sum up my thoughts on this; Rebel leader claims miners have more ISK than bumpers, thinks 24B makes someone stupidly rich. How can he even support such claims without even having a monocle? |

Mr Pragmatic
56
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Posted - 2012.11.10 07:04:00 -
[290] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:Mr Pragmatic wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Tesal wrote:All the miners are doing is validating the New Order griefers. It gives them MORE of a reason to bump people because they now have an opponent. The best way to defeat the New Order is to ignore them. If they are ignored they will get bored in a couple of months and quit bumping. Miners have been saying the since the beginning. Mr Pragmatic wrote:AFK mining is a viable form of game play. Sometimes you just have to DEAL WITH IT. Oh, but we are. We are dealing with it. You are failing at it. you think you are stopping the afk mining, but Eve is a big universe, and you can't stop us. One system at a time.
Sorry, there is simply too many of us filthy casuals. With out aim and direction. Your organization is nothing compared to our pure chaos. Maybe this world is another planet's hell. -Aldous Huxley
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Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2012.11.10 07:18:00 -
[291] - Quote
Mr Pragmatic wrote: Sorry, there is simply too many of us filthy casuals. With out aim and direction. Your organization is nothing compared to our pure chaos.
First sentence: true.
Second sentence: true
Third sentence: Um, you do know that all doing the same simple thing, afk, is the opposite of chaos, right? Literally, the opposite.
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Mr Pragmatic
56
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Posted - 2012.11.10 07:39:00 -
[292] - Quote
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:Mr Pragmatic wrote: Sorry, there is simply too many of us filthy casuals. With out aim and direction. Your organization is nothing compared to our pure chaos.
First sentence: true. Second sentence: true Third sentence: Um, you do know that all doing the same simple thing, afk, is the opposite of chaos, right? Literally, the opposite.
We have no organization, so we are dispersed amongst the universe. Any unified effort of the bumpers is in vain. Maybe this world is another planet's hell. -Aldous Huxley
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Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2012.11.10 07:48:00 -
[293] - Quote
Mr Pragmatic wrote:Nathalie LaPorte wrote:Mr Pragmatic wrote: Sorry, there is simply too many of us filthy casuals. With out aim and direction. Your organization is nothing compared to our pure chaos.
First sentence: true. Second sentence: true Third sentence: Um, you do know that all doing the same simple thing, afk, is the opposite of chaos, right? Literally, the opposite. We have no organization, so we are dispersed amongst the universe. Any unified effort of the bumpers is in vain.
I'm fairly certain that the bumpers will just ignore all the ice miners who are so disorganized that they took their ice-mining fitted mackinaws to places other than ice fields.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
3257
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Posted - 2012.11.10 09:12:00 -
[294] - Quote
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote: If you didn't realised yet a lot of ganks and this "awesome" bumping thing is done by alts from large mining organisations and botters then you missed something.
The first part about ganks and bumps being carried out by alts of large mining organisations is feasible and tbh would come under the heading of logistical warfare, removing the competition is a completely valid tactic.
Accusing the gankers and bumpers of being the alts of bots is another matter entirely, you madam have a bad case of the Dinsdales. That is entirely a step to far into the world of tinfoil and conspiracy
Quote:CCP would never do it but I'm almost sure we'd be laughing out loud if they would give us access to those accounts names and figure out how many are on 1st/2nd offence or account ban for botting.
I once laughed when I listened to CCP Shreegs saying in some key note he got one go the most known players in the game using bots.
Now this was kinda interesting, sadly CCP haven't decided yet to put a tag "name it and shame it" on those accounts or all of the accounts related to the same person. Probably half of those posting here would suddenly disappear.
CCP: name and shame !! DO IT NAO !!
I to would like to see CCP name and shame botters for 2 reasons, the first would be to make sure that everybody knows who's been skewing the market with a flood of cheap goods, the second would be to laugh in your face as the posters who disappear turn out to be the ones who have been moaning about being bumped and ganked.
Blessed are the meek, for they shall be slaughtered -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á---CCP can't patch stupid---
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
899
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Posted - 2012.11.10 11:57:00 -
[295] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote: If you didn't realised yet a lot of ganks and this "awesome" bumping thing is done by alts from large mining organisations and botters then you missed something.
The first part about ganks and bumps being carried out by alts of large mining organisations is feasible and tbh would come under the heading of logistical warfare, removing the competition is a completely valid tactic. Accusing the gankers and bumpers of being the alts of bots is another matter entirely, you madam have a bad case of the Dinsdales. That is entirely a step to far into the world of tinfoil and conspiracy
Absolutely not, I'm doing exactly the same thing you do: assume You're assuming every miner is a bot, I assume every bumper is another alt of some botter/exploiter already ban at least once. So if you guys have trouble with your own medicine, there's nothing I can do about it but name and shame, but CCP doesn't want me to have that power.
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Quote:CCP would never do it but I'm almost sure we'd be laughing out loud if they would give us access to those accounts names and figure out how many are on 1st/2nd offence or account ban for botting.
I once laughed when I listened to CCP Shreegs saying in some key note he got one go the most known players in the game using bots.
Now this was kinda interesting, sadly CCP haven't decided yet to put a tag "name it and shame it" on those accounts or all of the accounts related to the same person. Probably half of those posting here would suddenly disappear.
CCP: name and shame !! DO IT NAO !! I to would like to see CCP name and shame botters for 2 reasons, the first would be to make sure that everybody knows who's been skewing the market with a flood of cheap goods, the second would be to laugh in your face as none of the gankers or bumpers stop posting.
So can you send me all their characters list/accounts so I can verify your sayings? -you clearly underestimate some players "toupet", and I met a couple of those ban several times for exploiting having alts in that organisation.
So yes, petition CCP for it please so that we can have a nice laugh. Doesn't hurt, but at least forums will get cleaner for some time. brb |

Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
12
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Posted - 2012.11.10 16:07:00 -
[296] - Quote
Pipa Porto wrote:Fabulous Rod wrote:why does anyone bother to argue with pipa porto? Its like arguing with a radio. one of those people who won't admit they are wrong and are wrong constantly and his own stupid personal definitions for everything.
Hey pipa, try to find a game you dont feel the need to constantly complain about. You obviously don't understand what EVE is supposed to be. EVE is supposed to be only what I say it should be. Kristoffer Touborg/CCP Soundwave wrote:It isnGÇÖt really hard, but I think there are customers that you can lose in a good way and thereGÇÖs customers that you can lose in a bad way. If people come in and fundamentally donGÇÖt like EVE Online, then I think that might be a good way of losing customers. EVE isnGÇÖt for everyone. I wish it was, but the reality is that there are some people who just enjoy playing another game more. And thatGÇÖs not really that bad. http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/06/27/eve-devs-our-game-is-the-mmo-equivalent-of-running-inferno-solo-with-a-naked-barbarian/
EVE is supposed to be a lot of things, you narrow minded derp. And while you were selectively choosing only those defintions that fit your argument and ignoring common sense, you forget a key component that EVE has ALWAYS been billed as: a SANDBOX, a game that is supposed to allows MULTIPLE PLAY STYLES. EVE is obviously not a dark and harsh world for everyone, and it couldn't survive if it was. High sec is high sec for a reason, kid. EVE is mostly carebears and **** pvpers who suck at other pvp games. Its not a game where the sheep are supposed to line up for the brainless wolves that play EVE like you want it to be. Now that CCP is finally fixing the game, all the brainless fools are afraid to lose the only form of "pvp" in which they can actually get kills, if you can even call miner ganking pvp. Only the awful high-sec pvpers are crying.
Way to be that endlessly arguing fool who never realizes when hes wrong.
Really, those quotes you gave more accurately describe a game like Darkfall than EVE. Why don't you take Soundwaves advice and try to find a game you don't feel the need to constantly cry about. Its moronic to think that aggressors should have all the advantages in EVE. Now get back to your basement! |

Kashmyta
Predominant Dynamics
39
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Posted - 2012.11.10 16:11:00 -
[297] - Quote
Which one of you ordered chilli then?  |

admiral root
Red Galaxy Persona Non Gratis
124
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 16:32:00 -
[298] - Quote
Fabulous Rod wrote:Really, those quotes you gave more accurately describe a game like Darkfall than EVE. Why don't you take Soundwaves advice and try to find a game you don't feel the need to constantly cry about. Its moronic to think that aggressors should have all the advantages in EVE. Now get back to your basement!
TL;DR: I don't care what the devs say. They may design and code the game, but dammit I'm the authority on what is and isn't acceptable in Eve. RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH, CCP! No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |

Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
67
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Posted - 2012.11.10 16:40:00 -
[299] - Quote
I was reading minerbumping.com today and noticed that our protagonist here, Anslo, is getting into the bumping business himself.
While I applaud his effort to help our economy, I can't help but notice the copycat nature of Anslo's "resistance" movement. Honestly Anslo, if you wanted to bump miners you should have just joined the New Order. There is no real precedent for bumping code-compliant miners because they have committed to actually playing this game.
Do you get any monetary gain out of bumping code-compliant miners or are you simply griefing for griefing's sake? |

Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
414
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Posted - 2012.11.10 16:44:00 -
[300] - Quote
Fabulous Rod wrote:EVE is a SANDBOX which is why I support removing emergent gameplay
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admiral root
Red Galaxy Persona Non Gratis
124
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Posted - 2012.11.10 16:51:00 -
[301] - Quote
Some Rando wrote:I was reading minerbumping.com today and noticed that our protagonist here, Anslo, is getting into the bumping business himself.
This was always invevitable. He's horribly ineffective at "counter-bumping", often bumping miners himself (which he considers acceptable collaterol damage) and seldom getting a hit on a bumper unless one of us stops dead for him. His ranting in local often leaves his fellow miners facepalming at his behaviour and, for all his talk, I've seen him go to "rescue" bumped AFK/bot miners, only to give up almost immediately when he realises that it'll take :time: and :effort: to push them back 100km or more back to the ice.
Given the constant support he gives us, Anslo must surely be a covert agent of the new order. If not, he was Abbott or Costello in a previous life. I urge him to openly pledge his loyalty to James 315. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |

Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
12
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Posted - 2012.11.10 17:00:00 -
[302] - Quote
Benny Ohu wrote:Fabulous Rod wrote:EVE is a SANDBOX which is why I support removing emergent gameplay 
when emergent game play becomes game breaking, then it needs fixing. Its a simple concept and it happens in many games. I know all the losers with nothing better to do with their money after having dedicated so much time to EVE just LOVE any opportunity to "pvp" with essentially zero risk, but to the rest of us who actually like good gameplay and risk vs reward, this is exactly why EVE is considered to be such a joke within the pvp gamer community. |

admiral root
Red Galaxy Persona Non Gratis
125
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 17:08:00 -
[303] - Quote
Fabulous Rod wrote:when emergent game play becomes game breaking, then it needs fixing.
So fix it. Come back at us with in-game actions that make us react, rather than the same, tired whining that we see every single day on the forum. It seems to be all some people know how to do, aside from AFK mining. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |

Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
12
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Posted - 2012.11.10 17:18:00 -
[304] - Quote
admiral root wrote:Fabulous Rod wrote:when emergent game play becomes game breaking, then it needs fixing. So fix it. Come back at us with in-game actions that make us react, rather than the same, tired whining that we see every single day on the forum. It seems to be all some people know how to do, aside from AFK mining.
the thing about EVE, its one of those games where ppl aren't supposed to be able to **** with you without any risk. I know that concept is difficult to understand for a lot of EVE denizens, given all the stupid mechanics that have existed for so long that ****** players have come to rely on. sad that so many low-lifes like pipa porto actually try and defend it all day long.
If you are going to have a high-sec, why do it half-assed? Why don't you high-sec "pvpers" find a game that is actually has no safety zones and see how well you do without concord protecting your cowardly self. If I want a fix for a player skill based, full loot pvp game with excellent clanwarfare, I play Darkfall. |

Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
415
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 17:19:00 -
[305] - Quote
Fabulous Rod wrote:when emergent game play becomes game breaking, then it needs fixing. Its a simple concept and it happens in many games. Try harder.
I know all the losers with nothing better to do with their money after having dedicated so much time to EVE just LOVE any opportunity to "pvp" with essentially zero risk, but to the rest of us who actually like good gameplay and risk vs reward, ridiculous mechanics that are getting fixed were exactly why EVE has been considered to be such a joke within the competitive gamer community. I don't think my eyebrow can go any higher |

admiral root
Red Galaxy Persona Non Gratis
125
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 17:21:00 -
[306] - Quote
Fabulous Rod wrote:admiral root wrote:Fabulous Rod wrote:when emergent game play becomes game breaking, then it needs fixing. So fix it. Come back at us with in-game actions that make us react, rather than the same, tired whining that we see every single day on the forum. It seems to be all some people know how to do, aside from AFK mining. the thing about EVE, its one of those games where ppl aren't supposed to be able to **** with you without any risk. I know that concept is difficult to understand, given all the stupid mechanics that have existed for so long that ****** players have come to rely on. sad that so many low-lifes like pipa porto actually try and defend it all day long.
You talk about players relying on "stupid" mechanics, but you seem to be relying on CCP to solve your "problem". So, how about we try again? You have something you deem to be a problem arising from players using in-game and EULA-compliant methods. Why don't you quit your whining and do something about it in-game? No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |

Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
67
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Posted - 2012.11.10 17:22:00 -
[307] - Quote
Fabulous Rod wrote:the thing about EVE, its one of those games where ppl aren't supposed to be able to **** with you without any risk. Other players provide that risk. If you don't understand that, you don't understand EVE.
Or you're just a terrible troll. |

Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
12
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Posted - 2012.11.10 17:23:00 -
[308] - Quote
admiral root wrote:Fabulous Rod wrote:admiral root wrote:Fabulous Rod wrote:when emergent game play becomes game breaking, then it needs fixing. So fix it. Come back at us with in-game actions that make us react, rather than the same, tired whining that we see every single day on the forum. It seems to be all some people know how to do, aside from AFK mining. the thing about EVE, its one of those games where ppl aren't supposed to be able to **** with you without any risk. I know that concept is difficult to understand, given all the stupid mechanics that have existed for so long that ****** players have come to rely on. sad that so many low-lifes like pipa porto actually try and defend it all day long. You talk about players relying on "stupid" mechanics, but you seem to be relying on CCP to solve your "problem". So, how about we try again? You have something you deem to be a problem arising from players using in-game and EULA-compliant methods. Why don't you quit your whining and do something about it in-game?
I actually don't have a problem with it, I just realize its a stupid mechanic where you can act as an agressor and **** with people with zero risk. It is unbelievable to me that anyone would even bother to do it. It really goes to show you how no-life some of these EVE players are. |

Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
12
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Posted - 2012.11.10 17:24:00 -
[309] - Quote
Some Rando wrote:Fabulous Rod wrote:the thing about EVE, its one of those games where ppl aren't supposed to be able to **** with you without any risk. Other players provide that risk. If you don't understand that, you don't understand EVE. Or you're just a terrible troll.
not in high-sec, derp. Try again.
Crimewatch is fixing this joke of a pvp game. |

Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
68
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Posted - 2012.11.10 17:26:00 -
[310] - Quote
Fabulous Rod wrote:I actually don't have a problem with it Has a problem with it, claims he doesn't have a problem with it. |
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Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
12
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Posted - 2012.11.10 17:28:00 -
[311] - Quote
Some Rando wrote:Fabulous Rod wrote:I actually don't have a problem with it Has a problem with it, claims he doesn't have a problem with it.
I should clarify, I don't have a personal problem with it in-game. technically you are right, its a stupid mechanic. Any mechanic that allows you to **** with people while under the protection of the police is totally stupid and lame. A joke.
Why do you care if someone makes money afk? There are loads of doing it in other ways. The difference is, you are unable to **** with those people while they are doing it. You jokers will take anything you can get. Grow a sack and don't complain when this dumb thing gets changed. |

Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
68
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 17:28:00 -
[312] - Quote
Fabulous Rod wrote:not in high-sec, derp. Try again. You're right, CONCORD should be removed so we can have true emergent gameplay.
Fabulous Rod wrote: Fortunately Crimewatch is fixing this joke of a pvp game. Please explain. No mechanic I've read about in CW 2 will be "fixing this joke of a pvp game". |

admiral root
Red Galaxy Persona Non Gratis
125
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 17:30:00 -
[313] - Quote
Fabulous Rod wrote:I actually don't have a problem with it, I just realize its a stupid mechanic where you can act as an agressor and **** with people with zero risk. It is unbelievable to me that anyone would even bother to do it. It really goes to show you how no-life some of these EVE players are.
It wasn't zero risk when some aggrieved miner came at me with a suicide maller the other day. Lucky for me, he's worse at fitting ships than I am. Another agent was attacked viciously with a talos a short while later.
It sounds to me like you just have a problem with people interacting and having fun in a multiplayer game, which, by the way, some miners get as much enjoyment out of as bumpers - there are some great sports among them. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |

Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
12
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Posted - 2012.11.10 17:34:00 -
[314] - Quote
admiral root wrote:Fabulous Rod wrote:I actually don't have a problem with it, I just realize its a stupid mechanic where you can act as an agressor and **** with people with zero risk. It is unbelievable to me that anyone would even bother to do it. It really goes to show you how no-life some of these EVE players are. It wasn't zero risk when some aggrieved miner came at me with a suicide maller the other day. Lucky for me, he's worse at fitting ships than I am. Another agent was attacked viciously with a talos a short while later. It sounds to me like you just have a problem with people interacting and having fun in a multiplayer game, which, by the way, some miners get as much enjoyment out of as bumpers - there are some great sports among them.
So I guess we are all supposed to have have suicide mallers at our disposal just because some shitwits are afraid of real pvp.
high-sec "pvp" is part of why this game is considered to be such a joke. |

admiral root
Red Galaxy Persona Non Gratis
126
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 17:37:00 -
[315] - Quote
Having dispelled your myth about zero-risk you're now moving the goalposts and demanding that the current risk level be raised? Ok, how about you come be part of the risk? Do something, other than forum whining, please. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |

Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
12
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Posted - 2012.11.10 17:39:00 -
[316] - Quote
admiral root wrote:Having dispelled your myth about zero-risk you're now moving the goalposts and demanding that the current risk level be raised? Ok, how about you come be part of the risk? Do something, other than forum whining, please.
hah, youre argument was a joke. Do you really expect everyone to pack around suicide gank ships with them all the time just to deal with the some random cowards who are afraid of real pvp? 
anyone can be suicide ganked at any time in high-sec space. It doesn't matter what you are doing. |

admiral root
Red Galaxy Persona Non Gratis
126
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 17:41:00 -
[317] - Quote
Fabulous Rod wrote:admiral root wrote:Having dispelled your myth about zero-risk you're now moving the goalposts and demanding that the current risk level be raised? Ok, how about you come be part of the risk? Do something, other than forum whining, please. hah, youre argument was a joke. Do you really expect everyone to have suicide gank ships just to deal with some cowards who are afraid of real pvp? 
So, just to clarify, you're full of hot air and have no interest in being part of the solution to your perceived problem? Got it. Who's next? No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |

Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
12
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Posted - 2012.11.10 17:50:00 -
[318] - Quote
admiral root wrote:Fabulous Rod wrote:admiral root wrote:Having dispelled your myth about zero-risk you're now moving the goalposts and demanding that the current risk level be raised? Ok, how about you come be part of the risk? Do something, other than forum whining, please. hah, youre argument was a joke. Do you really expect everyone to have suicide gank ships just to deal with some cowards who are afraid of real pvp?  So, just to clarify, you're full of hot air and have no interest in being part of the solution to your perceived problem? Got it. Who's next?
funny that you claim to have won the argument while trying to defend your ability to annoy people with essentially zero risk.
If you weren't an awful player you would have been able to escape from that maller easily. I know your type. A cowardly "pvper" who thinks they should be able to annoy people while under the protection of the police. Pathetic.
unfortunate for you that dumb mechanics like t his are obviously going to get fixed. Complaining about dumb mechanics is only natural. Deal with it and stop crying about ppl complaining about dumb mechanics that obviously need fixing. |

Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
68
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Posted - 2012.11.10 17:54:00 -
[319] - Quote
Fabulous Rod wrote:funny that you claim to have won the argument while trying to defend your ability to annoy people with essentially zero risk.
If you weren't an awful player you would have been able to escape from that maller easily. I know your type. A cowardly "pvper" who somehow thinks you are entitled to annoy people while under the protection of the police. Pathetic.
unfortunate for you that dumb mechanics like t his are obviously going to get fixed. Complaining about dumb mechanics is only natural. Deal with it and stop crying about ppl complaining about dumb mechanics that obviously need fixing. 1/10
Also, you still haven't told me how CW 2 is going to fix this game or, for that matter, help people stop bumpers. |

Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
12
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 17:57:00 -
[320] - Quote
Some Rando wrote:Fabulous Rod wrote:funny that you claim to have won the argument while trying to defend your ability to annoy people with essentially zero risk.
If you weren't an awful player you would have been able to escape from that maller easily. I know your type. A cowardly "pvper" who somehow thinks you are entitled to annoy people while under the protection of the police. Pathetic.
unfortunate for you that dumb mechanics like t his are obviously going to get fixed. Complaining about dumb mechanics is only natural. Deal with it and stop crying about ppl complaining about dumb mechanics that obviously need fixing. 1/10 Also, you still haven't told me how CW 2 is going to fix this game or, for that matter, help people stop bumpers.
cimewatch, and i'm sure CCP will eventually figure out something to deal with the cowards who have the ability annoy others without any real risk of loss to themselves in high-sec. |
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admiral root
Red Galaxy Persona Non Gratis
132
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 17:57:00 -
[321] - Quote
Fabulous Rod wrote: If you weren't an awful player you would have been able to escape from that maller easily. I know your type. A cowardly "pvper" who somehow thinks you are entitled to annoy people while under the protection of the police. Pathetic.
unfortunate for you that dumb mechanics like t his are obviously going to get fixed. Complaining about dumb mechanics is only natural. Deal with it and stop crying about ppl complaining about dumb mechanics that obviously need fixing.
I accept your statement that an awful player would not have escaped from a maller under those circumstances. The fact I "escaped", which is to say my drones whored on the Concord killmail, therefore (by your logic) proves that I am not an awful player. Thank you for recognising my lack of awfulness.
Also, thank-you for clarifying that you're happy to whine, but not to actually do anything. You, sir, are a credit to AFK miners everywhere. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |

Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
3268
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 17:59:00 -
[322] - Quote
I would love to know how fabulous rod thinks crimewatch 2 is going to affect hisec PvP, yes it'll mean that people with a suspect flag can get shot at, bounties will be able to be placed on people etc, here's the kickers.
Bumping will not raise a suspect flag. Unless you have kill rights, or have purchased kill rights you won't be able to collect on bounties without concord kicking you into touch, usually at the end of an infinipoint, infiniweb, infinineut and instapwnage dps.
The bumpers take the same risk as everyone else in hisec everytime they undock, there's a cottage industry built around suicide ganking them. Bumping is not a zero risk activity, afk mining isn't these days either. It's a sandbox, you can build a castle and then some obnoxious undesirable belligerent bastard can come and knock it down, deal with it. Blessed are the meek, for they shall be slaughtered -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á---CCP can't patch stupid---
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Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
12
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Posted - 2012.11.10 18:00:00 -
[323] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:I would love to know how fabulous rod thinks crimewatch 2 is going to affect hisec PvP, yes it'll mean that people with a suspect flag can get shot at, bounties will be able to be placed on people etc, here's the kickers.
Bumping will not raise a suspect flag. Unless you have kill rights, or have purchased kill rights you won't be able to collect on bounties without concord kicking you into touch, usually at the end of an infinipoint, infiniweb, infinineut and instapwnage dps.
The bumpers take the same risk as everyone else in hisec everytime they undock, there's a cottage industry built around suicide ganking them. Bumping is not a zero risk activity, afk mining isn't these days either. It's a sandbox, you can build a castle and then some obnoxious undesirable belligerent bastard can come and knock it down, deal with it.
wow, you are a smart one. lol.
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Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
12
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Posted - 2012.11.10 18:05:00 -
[324] - Quote
admiral root wrote: Also, thank-you for clarifying that you're happy to whine, but not to actually do anything. You, sir, are a credit to AFK miners everywhere.
oh, i am doing something. These discussions are what prompts change within the game. Right now I'm proving your ridiculous arguments invalid. You think you should be able to annoy people in high sec under the protection of crimewatch.
It should be common sense that I win by default. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
3271
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 18:10:00 -
[325] - Quote
Fabulous Rod wrote:
wow, you are a smart one. lol.
assume much?
Nope I don't assume much, I read the Dev Blogs, obviously something you have failed to do.
Please enlighten everybody on how CW2.0 is going to make people grow a balzac? Your one liners, while pithy, do not actually explain your thinking.
Last time I checked, Eve isn't seen as a joke in the gaming community, it's seen by many as one of the few true sandboxes out there, here the players provide the content, both bumping and suicide ganking are player driven emergent content, i.e. something CCP never envisaged happening when they gave us the tools and game mechanics.
There's a reason that Eve doesn't have the sub figures of titles like World Of Warcraft, it's a niche game in a market flooded with avatars with oversized swords, funny ears and games with no lasting consequences or influence resulting from a players actions, people that play the likes of WOW etc don't like the idea of losing all their uber gear when they die, hence they don't play Eve. Blessed are the meek, for they shall be slaughtered -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á---CCP can't patch stupid---
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admiral root
Red Galaxy Persona Non Gratis
134
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Posted - 2012.11.10 18:11:00 -
[326] - Quote
Fabulous Rod wrote:oh, i am doing something.
Yes, you're whining.
Fabulous Rod wrote:These discussions are what prompts change within the game.
This isn't a discussion, it's a one-sided slaughter of whiners, like you.
Fabulous Rod wrote:Right now I'm proving your ridiculous arguments invalid. You think you should be able to annoy people in high sec under the protection of crimewatch.
Actually, you've proven nothing, other than your inability to provide any substantive argument proving the existance of your mythical "problem" and your absolute unwillingness to fire up your game client and become the solution.
Fabulous Rod wrote:It should be common sense that I win by default.
You're the last person who should be talking about common sense given that you appear to have none. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |

Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
12
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Posted - 2012.11.10 18:13:00 -
[327] - Quote
admiral root wrote:Fabulous Rod wrote:oh, i am doing something. Yes, you're whining. Fabulous Rod wrote:These discussions are what prompts change within the game. This isn't a discussion, it's a one-sided slaughter of whiners, like you. Fabulous Rod wrote:Right now I'm proving your ridiculous arguments invalid. You think you should be able to annoy people in high sec under the protection of crimewatch. Actually, you've proven nothing, other than your inability to provide any substantive argument proving the existance of your mythical "problem" and your absolute unwillingness to fire up your game client and become the solution. Fabulous Rod wrote:It should be common sense that I win by default. You're the last person who should be talking about common sense given that you appear to have none.
no logic behind those arguments. I guess I win. |

Zak Fey
Midget Stripper's Union
6
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Posted - 2012.11.10 18:17:00 -
[328] - Quote
Fabulous Rod wrote:admiral root wrote: Also, thank-you for clarifying that you're happy to whine, but not to actually do anything. You, sir, are a credit to AFK miners everywhere.
oh, i am doing something. These discussions are what prompts change within the game. Right now I'm proving your ridiculous arguments invalid. You think you should be able to annoy people in high sec under the protection of crimewatch. It should be common sense that I win by default. You clearly haven't read the dev blogs. Most of the changes are for can flipping, neutral logistics and kill rights. Nothing of which will effect bumpers at all. This isn't going to be a blanket of safety for high sec, thinking so will just dissappoint you later on. |

Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy Caldari State
49
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 18:18:00 -
[329] - Quote
Bumping is just a way someone discovered to grief people in high sec without having to kill them and have concord show up. It's cowardly. |

Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
12
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Posted - 2012.11.10 18:20:00 -
[330] - Quote
Zak Fey wrote:Fabulous Rod wrote:admiral root wrote: Also, thank-you for clarifying that you're happy to whine, but not to actually do anything. You, sir, are a credit to AFK miners everywhere.
oh, i am doing something. These discussions are what prompts change within the game. Right now I'm proving your ridiculous arguments invalid. You think you should be able to annoy people in high sec under the protection of crimewatch. It should be common sense that I win by default. You clearly haven't read the dev blogs. Most of the changes are for can flipping, neutral logistics and kill rights. Nothing of which will effect bumpers at all. This isn't going to be a blanket of safety for high sec, thinking so will just dissappoint you later on.
I understand all that. You made some foolish assumptions. |
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Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
12
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Posted - 2012.11.10 18:20:00 -
[331] - Quote
Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Bumping is just a way someone discovered to grief people in high sec without having to kill them and have concord show up. It's cowardly.
thank you, voice of reason. |

Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
72
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 18:22:00 -
[332] - Quote
Smohq Anmirorz wrote:It's cowardly. vOv
Making appeals to e-honour isn't going to stop bumpers. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
3272
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 18:22:00 -
[333] - Quote
Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Bumping is just a way someone discovered to grief people in high sec without having to kill them and have concord show up. It's cowardly.
AFK mining is a way that someone discovered as a method of printing ISK while not actually playing the game, it griefs other miners without concord interference by devaluing their labours and time to the lowest common denominator.
Fabulous Rod wrote:Zak Fey wrote: You clearly haven't read the dev blogs. Most of the changes are for can flipping, neutral logistics and kill rights. Nothing of which will effect bumpers at all. This isn't going to be a blanket of safety for high sec, thinking so will just dissappoint you later on.
I understand all that. You made some foolish assumptions.
Foolish assumptions? please explain the errors in our interpretation of the published Dev blogs. Blessed are the meek, for they shall be slaughtered -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á---CCP can't patch stupid---
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Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy Caldari State
49
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 18:23:00 -
[334] - Quote
Some Rando wrote:Smohq Anmirorz wrote:It's cowardly. vOv Making appeals to e-honour isn't going to stop bumpers.
Since I don't mine ice very much, I'd hardly call it an appeal. It's just an observation. |

Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy Caldari State
49
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 18:24:00 -
[335] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Bumping is just a way someone discovered to grief people in high sec without having to kill them and have concord show up. It's cowardly. AFK mining is a way that someone discovered as a method of printing ISK while not actually playing the game, it griefs other miners without concord interference by devaluing their labours and time to the lowest common denominator
I agree. |

Zak Fey
Midget Stripper's Union
6
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 18:26:00 -
[336] - Quote
Fabulous Rod wrote:Some Rando wrote:Fabulous Rod wrote:the thing about EVE, its one of those games where ppl aren't supposed to be able to **** with you without any risk. Other players provide that risk. If you don't understand that, you don't understand EVE. Or you're just a terrible troll. not in high-sec, derp. Try again. Fortunately Crimewatch is fixing this joke of a pvp game. Did I really misunderstood you Fabulous Rod? |

admiral root
Red Galaxy Persona Non Gratis
135
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 18:27:00 -
[337] - Quote
Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Bumping is just a way someone discovered to grief people in high sec without having to kill them and have concord show up. It's cowardly.
Griefing is bannable, and quite rightly so. You should petition griefers without hesitation and let the GMs take care of business. Sadly, for you, we are not griefing. Everything the new order does complies with the EULA.
As for cowardly, no, it's just people adapting and reacting to changes made by CCP. The real cowards are the miners, like Jacob Amaris, who whines like a little girl in local pleading for someone else to kill us, but who wouldn't dream of turning off his mining lasers long enough to do it himself. It's an isk per hour thing, you see? Better to leave that barge AFK mining and come to the forum to whine to the devs.
I might also add that it's fun! Many of our "victims" have a damn good time with us in their system, sharing laughs and great conversation, while they tediously chip away at that ice cube in the hope that this cycle will finish the bugger off.  No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |

Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
12
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 18:29:00 -
[338] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Bumping is just a way someone discovered to grief people in high sec without having to kill them and have concord show up. It's cowardly. AFK mining is a way that someone discovered as a method of printing ISK while not actually playing the game, it griefs other miners without concord interference by devaluing their labours and time to the lowest common denominator. Fabulous Rod wrote:Zak Fey wrote: You clearly haven't read the dev blogs. Most of the changes are for can flipping, neutral logistics and kill rights. Nothing of which will effect bumpers at all. This isn't going to be a blanket of safety for high sec, thinking so will just dissappoint you later on.
I understand all that. You made some foolish assumptions. Foolish assumptions? please explain the errors in our interpretation of the published Dev blogs.
haha, such a derpish argument. There are plenty of AFK activities that will earn you isk in EVE,planetary interaction, research and datacores just to name a few. Its part of the game, just the only part you cowardly scrubs are able to **** with. I guess CCP just didn't foresee that people would actually dedicate their time to annoying people to such an extent. I certainly didn't. Just goes to show you what pathetic losers so many EVE denizens really are. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
3273
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 18:30:00 -
[339] - Quote
Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Bumping is just a way someone discovered to grief people in high sec without having to kill them and have concord show up. It's cowardly. AFK mining is a way that someone discovered as a method of printing ISK while not actually playing the game, it griefs other miners without concord interference by devaluing their labours and time to the lowest common denominator I agree.
I salute you sir, you can see both sides of the argument, bumping is taking advantage of aggression mechanics but at the same time AFK mining is taking advantage of the cycle times and the recent EHP buff of the vessels used to do it, the latter of which made it considerably more difficult to pop mining barges, bumping is a reaction to the buff. Blessed are the meek, for they shall be slaughtered -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á---CCP can't patch stupid---
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Zak Fey
Midget Stripper's Union
6
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 18:31:00 -
[340] - Quote
Fabulous Rod wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Bumping is just a way someone discovered to grief people in high sec without having to kill them and have concord show up. It's cowardly. AFK mining is a way that someone discovered as a method of printing ISK while not actually playing the game, it griefs other miners without concord interference by devaluing their labours and time to the lowest common denominator. Fabulous Rod wrote:Zak Fey wrote: You clearly haven't read the dev blogs. Most of the changes are for can flipping, neutral logistics and kill rights. Nothing of which will effect bumpers at all. This isn't going to be a blanket of safety for high sec, thinking so will just dissappoint you later on.
I understand all that. You made some foolish assumptions. Foolish assumptions? please explain the errors in our interpretation of the published Dev blogs. haha, such a derpish argument. There are plenty of AFK activities that will earn you isk in EVE,planetary interaction, research and datacores just to name a few. Its part of the game, just the only part you cowardly scrubs are able to **** with. I guess CCP just didn't foresee that people would actually dedicate their time to annoying people to such an extent. I certainly didn't. Just goes to show you what pathetic losers so many EVE denizens really are. That didn't answer the question... |
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Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy Caldari State
49
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 18:33:00 -
[341] - Quote
admiral root wrote:Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Bumping is just a way someone discovered to grief people in high sec without having to kill them and have concord show up. It's cowardly. Griefing is bannable, and quite rightly so. You should petition griefers without hesitation and let the GMs take care of business. Sadly, for you, we are not griefing. Everything the new order does complies with the EULA. As for cowardly, no, it's just people adapting and reacting to changes made by CCP. The real cowards are the miners, like Jacob Amaris, who whines like a little girl in local pleading for someone else to kill us, but who wouldn't dream of turning off his mining lasers long enough to do it himself. It's an isk per hour thing, you see? Better to leave that barge AFK mining and come to the forum to whine to the devs. I might also add that it's fun! Many of our "victims" have a damn good time with us in their system, sharing laughs and great conversation, while they tediously chip away at that ice cube in the hope that this cycle will finish the bugger off. 
It's giving people grief, why would you argue that you're not? The forums clearly indicate the 'keen distress' necessary to use that word.
And the fact that miners are cowards doesn't mean bumpers aren't. News flash. They both are. |

Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
12
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 18:33:00 -
[342] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Bumping is just a way someone discovered to grief people in high sec without having to kill them and have concord show up. It's cowardly. AFK mining is a way that someone discovered as a method of printing ISK while not actually playing the game, it griefs other miners without concord interference by devaluing their labours and time to the lowest common denominator I agree. I salute you sir, you can see both sides of the argument, bumping is taking advantage of aggression mechanics but at the same time AFK mining is taking advantage of the cycle times and the recent EHP buff of the vessels used to do it, the latter of which made it considerably more difficult to pop mining barges, bumping is a reaction to the buff.
it "griefs other miners" lol 
maybe even a derp like you can admit that is a bit of a stretch, hmm?  |

Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
12
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 18:38:00 -
[343] - Quote
Smohq Anmirorz wrote:admiral root wrote:Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Bumping is just a way someone discovered to grief people in high sec without having to kill them and have concord show up. It's cowardly. Griefing is bannable, and quite rightly so. You should petition griefers without hesitation and let the GMs take care of business. Sadly, for you, we are not griefing. Everything the new order does complies with the EULA. As for cowardly, no, it's just people adapting and reacting to changes made by CCP. The real cowards are the miners, like Jacob Amaris, who whines like a little girl in local pleading for someone else to kill us, but who wouldn't dream of turning off his mining lasers long enough to do it himself. It's an isk per hour thing, you see? Better to leave that barge AFK mining and come to the forum to whine to the devs. I might also add that it's fun! Many of our "victims" have a damn good time with us in their system, sharing laughs and great conversation, while they tediously chip away at that ice cube in the hope that this cycle will finish the bugger off.  It's giving people grief, why would you argue that you're not? The forums clearly indicate the 'keen distress' necessary to use that word. And the fact that miners are cowards doesn't mean bumpers aren't. News flash. They both are.
miners aren't necessarily cowards. Do you want to edit that statement? Bumping however is a high-sec only activity. This we know. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
3273
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 18:42:00 -
[344] - Quote
Fabulous Rod wrote:maybe even a derp like you can admit that is a bit of a stretch, hmm? 
Nope it's not a stretch at all, I'm a miner & industrialist on another character, I would like to see the value of both my time and the minerals/products I produce increase, AFK miners prevent this by flooding the market with an excess of overly cheap minerals and ice that they sell direct to buy orders. I consider the bumpers as carrying out an economic warfare campaign on behalf of those of us that do actually mine while at the keyboard.
Blessed are the meek, for they shall be slaughtered -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á---CCP can't patch stupid---
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Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy Caldari State
49
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 18:49:00 -
[345] - Quote
Fabulous Rod wrote:Smohq Anmirorz wrote:admiral root wrote:Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Bumping is just a way someone discovered to grief people in high sec without having to kill them and have concord show up. It's cowardly. Griefing is bannable, and quite rightly so. You should petition griefers without hesitation and let the GMs take care of business. Sadly, for you, we are not griefing. Everything the new order does complies with the EULA. As for cowardly, no, it's just people adapting and reacting to changes made by CCP. The real cowards are the miners, like Jacob Amaris, who whines like a little girl in local pleading for someone else to kill us, but who wouldn't dream of turning off his mining lasers long enough to do it himself. It's an isk per hour thing, you see? Better to leave that barge AFK mining and come to the forum to whine to the devs. I might also add that it's fun! Many of our "victims" have a damn good time with us in their system, sharing laughs and great conversation, while they tediously chip away at that ice cube in the hope that this cycle will finish the bugger off.  It's giving people grief, why would you argue that you're not? The forums clearly indicate the 'keen distress' necessary to use that word. And the fact that miners are cowards doesn't mean bumpers aren't. News flash. They both are. miners aren't necessarily cowards. Do you want to edit that statement? Bumping however is a high-sec only activity. This we know.
Context, dude. Are we not talking about high-sec miners in an ice field? I see your point and I still like the statement as I wrote it. |

Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
12
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 18:50:00 -
[346] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Fabulous Rod wrote:maybe even a derp like you can admit that is a bit of a stretch, hmm?  Nope it's not a stretch at all, I'm a miner & industrialist on another character, I would like to see the value of both my time and the minerals/products I produce increase, AFK miners prevent this by flooding the market with an excess of overly cheap minerals and ice that they sell direct to buy orders. I consider the bumpers as carrying out an economic warfare campaign on behalf of those of us that do actually mine while at the keyboard.
you don't know what the definition of griefing is then. Sounds to me like you fail to adapt and are mad about competitive prices so you are willing to support the use of lame game mechanics that only pitiful cowards would engage in. |

Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
12
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 18:51:00 -
[347] - Quote
Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Fabulous Rod wrote:Smohq Anmirorz wrote:admiral root wrote:Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Bumping is just a way someone discovered to grief people in high sec without having to kill them and have concord show up. It's cowardly. Griefing is bannable, and quite rightly so. You should petition griefers without hesitation and let the GMs take care of business. Sadly, for you, we are not griefing. Everything the new order does complies with the EULA. As for cowardly, no, it's just people adapting and reacting to changes made by CCP. The real cowards are the miners, like Jacob Amaris, who whines like a little girl in local pleading for someone else to kill us, but who wouldn't dream of turning off his mining lasers long enough to do it himself. It's an isk per hour thing, you see? Better to leave that barge AFK mining and come to the forum to whine to the devs. I might also add that it's fun! Many of our "victims" have a damn good time with us in their system, sharing laughs and great conversation, while they tediously chip away at that ice cube in the hope that this cycle will finish the bugger off.  It's giving people grief, why would you argue that you're not? The forums clearly indicate the 'keen distress' necessary to use that word. And the fact that miners are cowards doesn't mean bumpers aren't. News flash. They both are. miners aren't necessarily cowards. Do you want to edit that statement? Bumping however is a high-sec only activity. This we know. Context, dude. Are we not talking about high-sec miners in an ice field? I see your point and I still like the statement as I wrote it.
and one action is much more cowardly than the other, correct?
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Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
3274
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Posted - 2012.11.10 19:00:00 -
[348] - Quote
Fabulous Rod wrote: you don't know what the definition of griefing is then. Sounds to me like you fail to adapt and are mad about competitive prices so you are willing to support the use of lame game mechanics that only pitiful cowards would engage in.
I know the definition of griefing thanks, however if you would care to explain it without resorting to being censored by the swear filter please do so.
Like others I have adapted, I purchase the basic minerals, tritanium and pyerite for production from others because it's just not worth me mining them any more, I stick to the other minerals such as mexallon and isogen for both resale and production purposes. Others choose to disrupt the AFK mining activities in the hope of making it untenable to AFK mine, and also to possibly increase the value of minerals and ice on the market. If there is a scarcity of minerals or ice on the market due to mining activities being disrupted the prices may well rise as demand outstrips supply. Currently the prices are low because there is a glut of minerals and ice that far exceeds the demand for them. Blessed are the meek, for they shall be slaughtered -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á---CCP can't patch stupid---
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Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy Caldari State
50
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 19:00:00 -
[349] - Quote
Fabulous Rod wrote:
would please explain to me how miners are cowardly? I just like to make money AFK while doing other **** and I'm STILL taking a much bigger risk than any bumper.
I would gladly do so, but I would just be repeating information already given earlier by another poster: "The real cowards are the miners, like Jacob Amaris, who whines like a little girl in local pleading for someone else to kill us, but who wouldn't dream of turning off his mining lasers long enough to do it himself. It's an isk per hour thing, you see? Better to leave that barge AFK mining and come to the forum to whine to the devs."
Whining about bumpers while ignoring the problems with AFK mining is rather cowardly. |

Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
12
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 19:01:00 -
[350] - Quote
Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Fabulous Rod wrote:
would please explain to me how miners are cowardly? I just like to make money AFK while doing other **** and I'm STILL taking a much bigger risk than any bumper.
I would gladly do so, but I would just be repeating information already given earlier by another poster: "The real cowards are the miners, like Jacob Amaris, who whines like a little girl in local pleading for someone else to kill us, but who wouldn't dream of turning off his mining lasers long enough to do it himself. It's an isk per hour thing, you see? Better to leave that barge AFK mining and come to the forum to whine to the devs." Whining about bumpers while ignoring the problems with AFK mining is rather cowardly.
oh, please! PEOPLE are cowards, it has nothing to do with being a miner. |
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Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy Caldari State
51
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 19:07:00 -
[351] - Quote
Fabulous Rod wrote: I see no problems with AFK mining.
Wow.
I...uhhh....
Wow.
OK, I'm done here. Have a nice discussion. |

Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
12
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 19:08:00 -
[352] - Quote
Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Fabulous Rod wrote: I see no problems with AFK mining. Wow. I...uhhh.... Wow. OK, I'm done here. Have a nice discussion.
i know your view, its a narrow minded one. Why can't mining be a afk activity too? The new mackinaw says it can be. Adapt or die, or cry. Cry about mineral prices? Get competitive. |

KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
1084
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 19:10:00 -
[353] - Quote
Fabulous Rod wrote:oh, please! PEOPLE are cowards, it has nothing to do with being a miner. I see no problems with AFK mining. Just that some mining ships bonus like the hulk isn't big enough to reward people who do it actively. That too will prob be changed in time.

Well at least the thread looks shorter now on my screen. www.minerbumping.com - because your tears are delicious |

Zak Fey
Midget Stripper's Union
7
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 19:15:00 -
[354] - Quote
Fabulous Rod wrote:Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Fabulous Rod wrote: I see no problems with AFK mining. Wow. I...uhhh.... Wow. OK, I'm done here. Have a nice discussion. i know your view, its a narrow minded one. Why can't mining be a afk activity too? The new mackinaw says it can be. Adapt or die, or cry. Cry about mineral prices? Get competitive. But really we should also be asking for buffs to the hulk as well. No reason to think in only one direction. Adapt or die, or cry. The bumpers aren't going anywhere. |

admiral root
Red Galaxy Persona Non Gratis
135
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 19:15:00 -
[355] - Quote
Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Fabulous Rod wrote: I see no problems with AFK mining. Wow. I...uhhh.... Wow. OK, I'm done here. Have a nice discussion.
I'm sorry to see him drive you out of the conversation like that - it was nice to briefly interact with you. You're more than welcome to join us for the next bumping party. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |

Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
12
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 19:19:00 -
[356] - Quote
Zak Fey wrote:Fabulous Rod wrote:Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Fabulous Rod wrote: I see no problems with AFK mining. Wow. I...uhhh.... Wow. OK, I'm done here. Have a nice discussion. i know your view, its a narrow minded one. Why can't mining be a afk activity too? The new mackinaw says it can be. Adapt or die, or cry. Cry about mineral prices? Get competitive. But really we should also be asking for buffs to the hulk as well. No reason to think in only one direction. Adapt or die, or cry. The bumpers aren't going anywhere.
gayme mechanics get removed. I guess we will see, wont we I'm just pointing out the obvious, I've never even had a problem with bumpers personally, really quite dispassionate about this. But its fun with the cowards bringing lame mechanics like this into the light of day.
I feel confident and I feel like you bumpers are |

Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
12
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 19:24:00 -
[357] - Quote
admiral root wrote:Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Fabulous Rod wrote: I see no problems with AFK mining. Wow. I...uhhh.... Wow. OK, I'm done here. Have a nice discussion. I'm sorry to see him drive you out of the conversation like that - it was nice to briefly interact with you. You're more than welcome to join us for the next bumping party.
haha, he crapped all over your stupid arguments and validated me but you'll take anything to try and get at me, won't you? 
I know the truth must irk you, being called a cowardly high-sec griefer. Deal with it. |

admiral root
Red Galaxy Persona Non Gratis
136
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 19:27:00 -
[358] - Quote
Fabulous Rod wrote:haha, he crapped all over your stupid arguments and validated me but you'll take anything to try and get at me, won't you?  I know the truth must irk you, being called a cowardly high-sec griefer. Deal with it.
Actually, you took a potential ally and drove him away. Well played, old chap. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |

Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
12
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 19:29:00 -
[359] - Quote
admiral root wrote:Fabulous Rod wrote:haha, he crapped all over your stupid arguments and validated me but you'll take anything to try and get at me, won't you?  I know the truth must irk you, being called a cowardly high-sec griefer. Deal with it. Actually, you took a potential ally and drove him away. Well played, old chap.
actually, I found out he wasn't as smart or as open minded as i thought he was. Its hard to match this though, I got to admit I'm kinda rough on ppl. Sorry for crapping on you all so hard with logical arguments. |

admiral root
Red Galaxy Persona Non Gratis
136
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 19:32:00 -
[360] - Quote
Fabulous Rod wrote:admiral root wrote:Fabulous Rod wrote:haha, he crapped all over your stupid arguments and validated me but you'll take anything to try and get at me, won't you?  I know the truth must irk you, being called a cowardly high-sec griefer. Deal with it. Actually, you took a potential ally and drove him away. Well played, old chap. actually, I found out he wasn't as smart or as open minded as i thought he was. Its hard to match this though, I got to admit I'm kinda rough on ppl. Sorry for crapping on you all so hard with logical arguments.
Ah, the old "anyone who disagrees with me is an idiot" argument. You're really scraping the bottle fo the barrel. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
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Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
12
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 19:33:00 -
[361] - Quote
admiral root wrote:Fabulous Rod wrote:admiral root wrote:Fabulous Rod wrote:haha, he crapped all over your stupid arguments and validated me but you'll take anything to try and get at me, won't you?  I know the truth must irk you, being called a cowardly high-sec griefer. Deal with it. Actually, you took a potential ally and drove him away. Well played, old chap. actually, I found out he wasn't as smart or as open minded as i thought he was. Its hard to match this though, I got to admit I'm kinda rough on ppl. Sorry for crapping on you all so hard with logical arguments. Ah, the old "anyone who disagrees with me is an idiot" argument. You're really scraping the bottle fo the barrel.
i've had enough honors in my life to realize my place. Have you?
but w/e this is a stupid conversation now. Can you quit attacking me and start telling me why you think you should be able to annoy people while under the protection of concord? |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
978
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 19:35:00 -
[362] - Quote
Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Bumping is just a way someone discovered to grief people in high sec without having to kill them and have concord show up. It's cowardly.
Except it's not griefing.
Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |

Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
12
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 19:36:00 -
[363] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Bumping is just a way someone discovered to grief people in high sec without having to kill them and have concord show up. It's cowardly. Except it's not griefing.
GoonWaffe
Ah, how typical.
Leave it to a goon to claim the sky is black. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1715
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 19:39:00 -
[364] - Quote
Fabulous Rod wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Bumping is just a way someone discovered to grief people in high sec without having to kill them and have concord show up. It's cowardly. Except it's not griefing. GoonWaffe Ah, how typical.  Leave it to a goon to claim the sky is black. Have you been bumped recently? It sounds like you're unhappy. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

admiral root
Red Galaxy Persona Non Gratis
137
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 19:40:00 -
[365] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Fabulous Rod wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Bumping is just a way someone discovered to grief people in high sec without having to kill them and have concord show up. It's cowardly. Except it's not griefing. GoonWaffe Ah, how typical.  Leave it to a goon to claim the sky is black. Have you been bumped recently? It sounds like you're unhappy.
He's bumphurt, you mean?  No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
978
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 19:41:00 -
[366] - Quote
Fabulous Rod wrote:Bumping however is a high-sec only activity. This we know.
You are so wrong about that.
Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |

Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
3275
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 19:42:00 -
[367] - Quote
Fabulous Rod wrote:admiral root wrote:Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Fabulous Rod wrote: I see no problems with AFK mining. Wow. I...uhhh.... Wow. OK, I'm done here. Have a nice discussion. I'm sorry to see him drive you out of the conversation like that - it was nice to briefly interact with you. You're more than welcome to join us for the next bumping party. haha, he crapped all over your stupid arguments and validated me but you'll take anything to try and get at me, won't you?  I know the truth must irk you, being called a cowardly high-sec griefer. Deal with it.
Actually no he didn't, he was at least capable of holding a reasonable discourse and could see both sides of the argument. He in no way validated your arguments by not agreeing with bumping, because he doesn't agree with afk mining either.
For years miners moaned about getting ganked while refusing to fit a tank, the gankers were even telling them how to not get ganked and still they moaned and did nothing, in short they refused to adapt because yield>not getting ganked. CCP then buffed barges to make them harder to gank, some miners have taken this to mean that they still don't have to fit a tank because it's more difficult to make them go squish, they still fit for max cargo and yield, another example of refusal to adapt.
The gankers have adapted, instead of making barges go squish constantly, they now make them go squish occasionally or they remove them from mining laser range via bumping, which is actually better for the miners as they no longer lose a couple of hundred million every time they explode, they just lose a mining cycle or three. Once again miners are moaning about people interfering in their "gameplay", there are counters to both bumping & ganking, miners have been informed of the counters to both and still they do nothing but moan on the forums.
If miners were subject to the rules of natural selection they would have long since gone the way of the Dodo.
Speaking of cowardly, please feel free to figure out who my mining alt is and try and pop him, make sure to bring lots of firepower, you'll need it because I actually value tank over yield.
Blessed are the meek, for they shall be slaughtered -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á---CCP can't patch stupid---
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
978
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 19:44:00 -
[368] - Quote
Fabulous Rod wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Bumping is just a way someone discovered to grief people in high sec without having to kill them and have concord show up. It's cowardly. Except it's not griefing. GoonWaffe Ah, how typical.  Leave it to a goon to claim the sky is black.
Lets do a little fact checking here shall we. Griefing is a bannable offence. Now judging by the amount of petitions against bumpers (many) & the amount of bumpers that have been banned (none), that only leads to one conclusion. Bumping isn't griefing.
Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1715
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 19:45:00 -
[369] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:Fabulous Rod wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Bumping is just a way someone discovered to grief people in high sec without having to kill them and have concord show up. It's cowardly. Except it's not griefing. GoonWaffe Ah, how typical.  Leave it to a goon to claim the sky is black. Lets do a little fact checking here shall we. Griefing is a bannable offence. Now judging by the amount of petitions against bumpers (many) & the amount of bumpers that have been banned (none), that only leads to one conclusion. Bumping isn't griefing. We all remember the thread where the GM helpfully said to orbit the asteroid.
And its tears. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
12
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 19:47:00 -
[370] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:Fabulous Rod wrote:Bumping however is a high-sec only activity. This we know. You are so wrong about that.
its only considered an issue in high-sec. context for the herd-like mind. |
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
978
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 19:49:00 -
[371] - Quote
Fabulous Rod wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Fabulous Rod wrote:Bumping however is a high-sec only activity. This we know. You are so wrong about that. its only considered an issue in high-sec. context.
Actually, it was pretty clear what you said. I'll quote it again just incase you forgot:
Fabulous Rod wrote:Bumping however is a high-sec only activity. This we know.
You are also wrong again. People in nullsec who have lost nice stuff have considered it an issue aswell, only to be told it's working as intended. It is clear that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |

Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
3275
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 19:50:00 -
[372] - Quote
Fabulous Rod wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Fabulous Rod wrote:Bumping however is a high-sec only activity. This we know. You are so wrong about that. its only considered an issue in high-sec. context. You just invalidated your own point, way to go.
Please explain why it's only an issue in hisec? Do losec and nullsec not count in your little bubble?
I'm waiting for the suggestions of concord removal in hisec or bumping becoming a flaggable offence so that miners can shoot the bumpers without interference, I don't think that'll work as well as they think. Blessed are the meek, for they shall be slaughtered -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á---CCP can't patch stupid---
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Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
12
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 19:51:00 -
[373] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Fabulous Rod wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Bumping is just a way someone discovered to grief people in high sec without having to kill them and have concord show up. It's cowardly. Except it's not griefing. GoonWaffe Ah, how typical.  Leave it to a goon to claim the sky is black. Lets do a little fact checking here shall we. Griefing is a bannable offence. Now judging by the amount of petitions against bumpers (many) & the amount of bumpers that have been banned (none), that only leads to one conclusion. Bumping isn't griefing. We all remember the thread where the GM helpfully said to orbit the asteroid. And its tears.
Things change you know, not everything a gm says is set in stone. This is a good direction for EVE. |

Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
12
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 19:54:00 -
[374] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:Fabulous Rod wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Fabulous Rod wrote:Bumping however is a high-sec only activity. This we know. You are so wrong about that. its only considered an issue in high-sec. context. Actually, it was pretty clear what you said. I'll quote it again just incase you forgot: Fabulous Rod wrote:Bumping however is a high-sec only activity. This we know. You are also wrong again. People in nullsec who have lost nice stuff have considered it an issue aswell, only to be told it's working as intended. It is clear that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
this thread is about high sec bumping. please use your head or Ill get out my cattle prod.
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
982
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 19:58:00 -
[375] - Quote
Fabulous Rod wrote:this thread is about high sec miner bumping. please use your head or Ill get out my cattle prod.
Apparently out of the two of us I'm the only one that can consistently state facts as opposed to making things up. Backtracking won't help you here.
Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
973
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 20:00:00 -
[376] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Bumping is just a way someone discovered to grief people in high sec without having to kill them and have concord show up. It's cowardly. Except it's not griefing.
"A griefer is a player in a multiplayer video game who deliberately irritates and harasses other players within the game, using aspects of the game in unintended ways"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griefer
Interupt the same player consistently and CCP will indeed step in. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1719
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 20:01:00 -
[377] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:Fabulous Rod wrote:this thread is about high sec miner bumping. please use your head or Ill get out my cattle prod. Apparently out of the two of us I'm the only one that can consistently state facts as opposed to making things up. Backtracking won't help you here. Just bump him, I hear it makes people more lucid to be sent flying at a high velocity. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
982
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 20:01:00 -
[378] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Bumping is just a way someone discovered to grief people in high sec without having to kill them and have concord show up. It's cowardly. Except it's not griefing. "A griefer is a player in a multiplayer video game who deliberately irritates and harasses other players within the game, using aspects of the game in unintended ways" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GrieferInterupt the same player consistently and CCP will indeed step in.
Oh dear, people use wikipedia as a source of information. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
973
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 20:04:00 -
[379] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote: Lets do a little fact checking here shall we. Griefing is a bannable offence. Now judging by the amount of petitions against bumpers (many) & the amount of bumpers that have been banned (none), that only leads to one conclusion. Bumping isn't griefing.
Wow. The concept of QED has really been taken on a rather far-reaching stretch here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q.E.D. |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
985
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 20:05:00 -
[380] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote: Lets do a little fact checking here shall we. Griefing is a bannable offence. Now judging by the amount of petitions against bumpers (many) & the amount of bumpers that have been banned (none), that only leads to one conclusion. Bumping isn't griefing.
Wow. The concept of QED has really been taken on a rather far-reaching stretch here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q.E.D.
Links wikipedia drivel, expects people to believe stuff written on a site that anyone can edit.
Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
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Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
13
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Posted - 2012.11.10 20:06:00 -
[381] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Bumping is just a way someone discovered to grief people in high sec without having to kill them and have concord show up. It's cowardly. Except it's not griefing. "A griefer is a player in a multiplayer video game who deliberately irritates and harasses other players within the game, using aspects of the game in unintended ways" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GrieferInterupt the same player consistently and CCP will indeed step in. Oh dear, people use wikipedia as a source of information.
Looks like you got shat on pretty hard by solid logic. Wikipedia is the definition of the world. Whats your credibility for your personal definition?
You goons are a riot  |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
973
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 20:06:00 -
[382] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Oh dear, people use wikipedia as a source of information.
What are we supposed to use....your brain ? |

admiral root
Red Galaxy Persona Non Gratis
137
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 20:08:00 -
[383] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:
Oh dear, people use wikipedia as a source of information.
What are we supposed to use.... your brain ?
I suppose you could try using your own.  No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |

Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
13
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 20:09:00 -
[384] - Quote
admiral root wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:
Oh dear, people use wikipedia as a source of information.
What are we supposed to use.... your brain ? I suppose you could try using your own. 
he is right though. And it was hilarious. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1720
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 20:12:00 -
[385] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Bumping is just a way someone discovered to grief people in high sec without having to kill them and have concord show up. It's cowardly. Except it's not griefing. "A griefer is a player in a multiplayer video game who deliberately irritates and harasses other players within the game, using aspects of the game in unintended ways" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GrieferInterupt the same player consistently and CCP will indeed step in. Oh dear, people use wikipedia as a source of information. Orbit the asteroid and the bumper will miss. Remember? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
985
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 20:12:00 -
[386] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:
Oh dear, people use wikipedia as a source of information.
What are we supposed to use.... your brain ?
You know, CCP has a site with all of this information that can't be edited by just anyone. You could always try that.
Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
973
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 20:13:00 -
[387] - Quote
"Q.E.D. GÇé
which was to be shown or demonstrated (used especially in mathematical proofs).
Origin: 1810GÇô20; < Latin quod erat d-ôm+ìnstrandum"
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/qed?s=t
Yeah....this definition is just so radically different. What's wrong with Wiki lately? It's all nonsense there !  |

Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
13
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 20:13:00 -
[388] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Bumping is just a way someone discovered to grief people in high sec without having to kill them and have concord show up. It's cowardly. Except it's not griefing. "A griefer is a player in a multiplayer video game who deliberately irritates and harasses other players within the game, using aspects of the game in unintended ways" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GrieferInterupt the same player consistently and CCP will indeed step in. Oh dear, people use wikipedia as a source of information. Orbit the asteroid and the bumper will miss. Remember?
oh, right, what the GM said once. The law of the land.  |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
985
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 20:15:00 -
[389] - Quote
Fabulous Rod wrote:Looks like you got shat on pretty hard by solid logic. Wikipedia is the definition of the world. Whats your credibility for your personal definition? You goons are a riot 
If a source of regularly proven incorrect information is your source of logic, then I have something to tell you.
Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
973
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 20:18:00 -
[390] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Orbit the asteroid and the bumper will miss. Remember?
lol. Ain't that the truth.
It would be nice if more Goons had your attitude. |
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Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
13
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Posted - 2012.11.10 20:18:00 -
[391] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:Fabulous Rod wrote:Looks like you got shat on pretty hard by solid logic. Wikipedia is the definition of the world. Whats your credibility for your personal definition? You goons are a riot  If a source of regularly proven incorrect information is your source of logic, then I have something to tell you.
hah! wikipedia is wrong sometimes so its always wrong. Great logic there bobo.  |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
987
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 20:19:00 -
[392] - Quote
I have a link for you. It's about Griefing & how miner bumping isn't.
Also, take note of this part in particular: A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making othersGÇÖ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1721
|
Posted - 2012.11.10 20:22:00 -
[393] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:I have a link for you. It's about Griefing & how miner bumping isn't. Also, take note of this part in particular: A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making othersGÇÖ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way. I think people on the forums are all greifers in General Discussion Online Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
973
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Posted - 2012.11.10 20:22:00 -
[394] - Quote
admiral root wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:
Oh dear, people use wikipedia as a source of information.
What are we supposed to use.... your brain ? I suppose you could try using your own. 
Man, do you ever need to read this and learn some form of subtlety:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2012/nov/09/confessions-of-an-internet-troll |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
973
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Posted - 2012.11.10 20:24:00 -
[395] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:
Oh dear, people use wikipedia as a source of information.
What are we supposed to use.... your brain ? You know, CCP has a site with all of this information that can't be edited by just anyone. You could always try that.
Agreed that Wiki is uttely unreliable as far as religion, ppolitics, and social issues entries go.
But you can't tell me their discography of "New Order" albums is flat out inaccurate. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
973
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Posted - 2012.11.10 20:31:00 -
[396] - Quote
"At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account. "
Thanks for leading me straight to CCP's pronouncement that completely backs-up my previous posts. |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
987
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Posted - 2012.11.10 20:35:00 -
[397] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:"At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account. "
Thanks for leading me straight to CCP's pronouncement that completely backs-up my previous posts.
Yet out of all the petitions made against us, none of us have been banned. It couldn't possibly have anything to do with the fact that we profit immensely from it. No, not at all.
Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
973
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Posted - 2012.11.10 20:37:00 -
[398] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Yet out of all the petitions made against us, none of us have been banned.
Post proof. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1721
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Posted - 2012.11.10 20:41:00 -
[399] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:"At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account. "
Thanks for leading me straight to CCP's pronouncement that completely backs-up my previous posts. Yet out of all the petitions made against us, none of us have been banned. It couldn't possibly have anything to do with the fact that we profit immensely from it. No, not at all. So we've all been warned, temporarily suspended or permanently banned, like James 315 right? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
988
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Posted - 2012.11.10 20:42:00 -
[400] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:
Yet out of all the petitions made against us, none of us have been banned.
Post proof.
Here. It shouldn't take you too long to read all about it.
Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
990
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Posted - 2012.11.10 20:44:00 -
[401] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:"At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account. "
Thanks for leading me straight to CCP's pronouncement that completely backs-up my previous posts. Yet out of all the petitions made against us, none of us have been banned. It couldn't possibly have anything to do with the fact that we profit immensely from it. No, not at all. So we've all been warned, temporarily suspended or permanently banned, like James 315 right?
Of course. I'm permanently banned right now because I stole a bunch of stuff from some rebel miners, awoxed another lot of them & got a guy blacklisted from half the corps in EVE.
Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1722
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Posted - 2012.11.10 20:59:00 -
[402] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:"At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account. "
Thanks for leading me straight to CCP's pronouncement that completely backs-up my previous posts. Yet out of all the petitions made against us, none of us have been banned. It couldn't possibly have anything to do with the fact that we profit immensely from it. No, not at all. So we've all been warned, temporarily suspended or permanently banned, like James 315 right? Of course. I'm permanently banned right now because I stole a bunch of stuff from some rebel miners, awoxed another lot of them & got a guy blacklisted from half the corps in EVE. But... you're posting.
Clearly, you need to use your main, eh~~ Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
990
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Posted - 2012.11.10 21:05:00 -
[403] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:"At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account. "
Thanks for leading me straight to CCP's pronouncement that completely backs-up my previous posts. Yet out of all the petitions made against us, none of us have been banned. It couldn't possibly have anything to do with the fact that we profit immensely from it. No, not at all. So we've all been warned, temporarily suspended or permanently banned, like James 315 right? Of course. I'm permanently banned right now because I stole a bunch of stuff from some rebel miners, awoxed another lot of them & got a guy blacklisted from half the corps in EVE. But... you're posting. Clearly, you need to use your main, eh~~
I would, but my main has a monocle, which makes him just too good for the borderline insane general EVE populous.
Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |

Nanatoa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
158
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Posted - 2012.11.11 15:57:00 -
[404] - Quote
To prevent any rumors that I may have been banned: I was just away for a day or so. I'll be back in action tonight! We do what we must, because we can.
MinerBumping.com |

Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
51
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Posted - 2012.11.11 16:02:00 -
[405] - Quote
Nanatoa wrote:To prevent any rumors that I may have been banned: I was just away for a day or so. I'll be back in action tonight! Me too. Maybe Anslo's been banned, though. I've not seen him around recently.
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Khergit Deserters
Gallente Federation
190
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Posted - 2012.11.12 16:27:00 -
[406] - Quote
What should be the activity of the proveldtariat? The activity should be concerned with two areas: first, social-revolutionary propaganda and agitation; second, the struggle, with the organized and dedicated bumpgeoisie at its center.
Kid:-á I wish we had time to bury them fellas. Josey Wales:-á To hell with them fellas. Buzzards gotta eat, same as worms.
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admiral root
Red Galaxy Persona Non Gratis
142
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Posted - 2012.11.12 16:35:00 -
[407] - Quote
Khergit Deserters wrote:What should be the activity of the proveldtariat? The activity should be concerned with two areas: first, social-revolutionary propaganda and agitation; second, the struggle, with the organized and dedicated bumpgeoisie at its center.
Or they could do what they do best - create excess hot hair while doing nothing of any consequence.  No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |

Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
53
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Posted - 2012.11.12 17:06:00 -
[408] - Quote
Khergit Deserters wrote:What should be the activity of the proveldtariat? The activity should be concerned with two areas: first, social-revolutionary propaganda and agitation; second, the struggle, with the organized and dedicated bumpgeoisie at its center.
So, uhm, where does ore-flavoured cider come into this again? Propaganda?
Also I'm relatively certain that the 'struggle' bit hasn't been going too well either. The New Order moved into Minmatar space last night (very publicly) and we have yet to see a member of your Proveldtariat.
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Khergit Deserters
Gallente Federation
191
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Posted - 2012.11.12 17:32:00 -
[409] - Quote
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:What should be the activity of the proveldtariat? The activity should be concerned with two areas: first, social-revolutionary propaganda and agitation; second, the struggle, with the organized and dedicated bumpgeoisie at its center.
So, uhm, where does ore-flavoured cider come into this again? Propaganda? Also I'm relatively certain that the 'struggle' bit hasn't been going too well either. The New Order moved into Minmatar space last night (very publicly) and we have yet to see a member of your Proveldtariat. What do you mean, 'very publicly'? Like, making announcements in local? In a blob? Not doubting you, just wondering. Kid:-á I wish we had time to bury them fellas. Josey Wales:-á To hell with them fellas. Buzzards gotta eat, same as worms.
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No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1578
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Posted - 2012.11.12 17:38:00 -
[410] - Quote
Khergit Deserters wrote:What should be the activity of the proveldtariat?
1. Start your lasers
2. go afk
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Sara XIII
The Carnifex Corp
112
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Posted - 2012.11.12 18:38:00 -
[411] - Quote
I almost had a miner bingo last night! So close....  Between Ignorance and Wisdom |
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