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Tippia
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Posted - 2012.11.06 19:56:00 -
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I didn't see any direct mention of it in the blog besides the reasoning about making T2 specialisation faster, but does this plan for next year also/still include the removal of cross-class skill requirements such as having to train Assault Frigates to fly Command Ships?
I noticed a bit of range about it earlier in the thread and was reminded of this old post about how specialisation would become faster, but that won't happen without an adjustment of the prereqs:Tippia wrote:The current combined prereq for both [command] shipsGǪ
[racial] Cruiser V -á-á-á-á-á[racial] Frigate IV Command Ships I -á-á-á-á-áBattlecruisers V -á-á-á-á-áWarfare Link Specialist IV -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áLeadership V -á-á-á-á-áSpaceship Command V Heavy Assault Ships IV -á-á-á-á-áAssault Ships IV -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áEngineering V -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áMechanic V -á-á-á-á-áWeapon Upgrades V -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áGunnery II Logistics IV -á-á-á-á-áSignature Analysis V -á-á-á-á-áLong Range Targeting V -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áElectronics II
GǪwill becomeGǪ
[racial] Battlecruiser V -á-á-á-á-á[racial] Cruiser IV -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á[racial] Destroyer IV -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á[racial] Frigate IV Command Ships I -á-á-á-á-áWarfare Link Specialist IV -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áLeadership V -á-á-á-á-áSpaceship Command V Is still the correct end-state and is it still part of what's going to happen next year, or is that a different third (fourth, fifthGǪ) round of tiercide focused on T2 ships? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
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Posted - 2012.11.06 20:45:00 -
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Malaclypse Thorn wrote:What i desperately want to know for the battlecruiser/destroyer racial split is this:
What if i have battlecruiser 5 and minmatar frigate 4? What level, then, will minmatar battlecruiser be? Zero, unless you also have Minny Cruiser III. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.11.06 21:09:00 -
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Malaclypse Thorn wrote:yesyes i went back and edited, i put the wrong word there :3
But despite that i do think you know what point i meant to convey, which skill takes higher priority? cruiser or battlecruiser? Frigate or destroyer? Then you'll get BC V.
The cruiser skill doesn't provide any bonuses GÇö it just allows you to fly the ship. It's the BC skill that determines your bonuses for the BCs you can fly, so those are the ships and bonuses that will be retained in the shift-over.
[Racial] Cruiser III (and above) + BC [whatever] GåÆ [Racial] Cruiser III (or above) + [Racial] BC [whatever]. [Racial] Cruiser I or II + BC [whatever] GåÆ [Racial] Cruiser I or II. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.11.06 21:33:00 -
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Khai Mann wrote:I currently have the following skills already trained:
BC 5 Caldari cruiser 5 Minmatar cruiser 5 Amarr cruiser 5 Destroyers 5
Dos this mean I'll get all destroyer at level 5 and all BC 5 as well? Presumably, you have the frigate skills at IV or more, since that's the prereq for those cruiser skills, in which case, yes, you'll end up with: Caldari, Minmatar, and Amarr Destroyer and BC V.
If you want to get Gallente Destroyer V and Gallente BC V GÇ£for freeGÇ¥, you'll have to train Gallente Frigate IV (for the cruiser skill) and then Gallente Cruiser III. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.11.06 22:02:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:On a somewhat related note, when is the "Will Jump Freighters require Freighter V?" question going to be answered? (Requiring Freighter V is necessary to stick to the paradigm of Tech 2 requiring V in the base ship skill.) GǪand it's really going to strain that Gǣif you could fly it beforeGǥ policy, since that would require raising a rank 10 skill from IV to V for many who can currently fly JFs but who never bothered with that last Freighter level.
That's over 2M SP per JF GÇö in my case, I'd suddenly get 8.5M additional SP (which will break my SP budget ). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.11.06 22:16:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:I have Caldari Cruiser V, BC 0 and Destroyers 0. I'll have Caldari Destroyers 4 and Caldari BC 0 after patch - correct? Nope. You'll have the same skills you have now.
If you can't fly destroyers now, you're not getting the skill (nor will you need it). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.11.06 22:23:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:Quote from blog:
> Changing skill requirements for Racial Cruisers from Racial Frigates 4 to Racial Destroyers 4
But how am I supposed to have Caldari Cruiser V without Caldari Destriyers 4? You don't need Destroyers because you already have Cruisers. Destroyer IV is the prerequisite for injecting Cruisers and maybe training it to I (but I'm actually suspecting that the skill check is on the injection, not the training). Beyond that, it has done its part for all things cruiser-sized and above.
You only ever need the GÇ£outmostGÇ¥ layer of skills to fry or train anything GÇö the skills listed as primary, secondary, teritiary etc. The prerequisites for those skills are of absolutely no relevance once you get the skills they unlock.
Right now, if you have Cruiser V and Frigate V and fly around in HACs (which require Cruiser V), you could be podded to hell and back and lose every last SP in your Frigate skill and still be able to fly those HACs because the frigate skill is not a prereq for HACs GÇö it's a prereq for a prereq (viz. Cruisers). Ok, granted, the way SP loss works, you can't actually lose all SP in frigates without also losing that Cruiser V, but stillGǪ in theory it works. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.11.06 22:39:00 -
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Sizeof Void wrote:Perhaps this has been asked and answered already (in which case, I apologize to everyone):
Looking even further in the future, is it likely - or even just possible - that T2 ships will be given the same racial skill treatment? Ie. are we going to have to train Gallente Assault Ships, Minmatar Recon Ships, Caldari Logistics, Amarr Marauder, etc.? According to the original blog, no. The racial skills give us the basic T1 hulls; the T2 skills give us special options for the hulls we already have.
It's like two axes: on the x-axis, we have a row of racial skills that gives us hulls; on the y-axis, we have a row of GÇ£roleGÇ¥ skills such as GÇ£logisticsGÇ¥ and GÇ£reconGÇ¥ that give us specialisations for the hulls. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.11.07 00:50:00 -
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Dracko Malus wrote:Xercodo wrote:Skill requirements are only to START training the skill, not to keep it.
This means that you can still keep flying a carrier even if you lost battleship 5 since you still have the carrier skill. Incorrect, you're confusing skillbook requirements with Ship prerequesite to "activate" it. No, he's spot on. You don't need a single SP in Battleship to fly a Carrier. All you need is Carrier I, Capships I, and Jump Drives I. Those are the prereqs for a standard carrier and it doesn't matter that the Carrier skill has Battleship V (soon BS IV) as a prereq.
Quote:If you loose BS5 of the race, you'll currently be purged from your ship. But you'd have to be pretty stupid.. as dying in an AlphaClone affects the highest multiplier skills.. and there are a lot more you'll have to burn through before loosing a BS5 skill. If the ship doesn't require BS V to fly GÇö in other words, if it's not a T2 battleship GÇö then losing that skill level makes no difference. Also, BS V is a very likely skill to be hit in the case of a podding. The SP loss mechanic doesn't care what multiplier the skill has; it just goes after whichever skill has the most SP in it, and BS V is 2M SP. Between Carrier IV (600k SP) and BS V (2M SP), you'll lose BS 5 first. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.11.07 16:09:00 -
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Acac Sunflyier wrote:When EXACTLY is the change to the skills for bc and destroyers coming? We going to see it in Retribution? How many days? It's coming EXACTLY some time next year, when all BC and BS balancing changes are being rolled out. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.11.07 16:22:00 -
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Acac Sunflyier wrote:They keep hinting to it's coming SoonGäó. But they're giving no hints at all to when. Before or after fan fest? Little more specifics please. GÇ£Next yearGÇ¥ and GÇ£when the balance passes are doneGÇ¥ is as specific as it gets.
There's no point in them giving a date that they can't predict with any certainty. Just train your cruiser and frigate skills to III now and nothing will happen. It's less than a week's training each. If you want to max out destroyers and BCs, that's a month and a half. You should have plenty of time. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.11.07 20:26:00 -
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Destriouth Hollow wrote:That means i can decide between: 1. I Loose 3 months of skilltime 2. Loose over a month of higher income due less manufacturing slots and a weaker ratting-ship and no usefull progress. Is that really how it will be? Pest or cholera? Not really, no. I mean, yes, that's what you're choosing between, but it's no different from any other skilling decision you make in EVE: what do you want more? Immediate access to one thing at the cost of another, or immediate access to the other thing at the cost of the one? If you absolutely have to have those additional slots sand better ratting ship, then giving up progress in the BC are is the cost you pay. If you want to progress in BCs now, then those slots and other ship bonuses will have to wait.
Also, between now and then, there's every chance that you'll be able to get both. Oh, and you want to learn how to fly something along the lines of a BC looooong before you step into a Thanatos, so if the latter is delayed, it will only be a good thing. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.11.07 20:50:00 -
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Destriouth Hollow wrote:Here in contrary its: Don't skill Battlecuiser now and you are an idiot! It costs you 3 months of skilling! So? Do you plan to get all four? When you plan to get them, will it make any real difference?
Quote:If I would have 4 months there wouldn't even be a problem. But its set close after December 4. Says who? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.11.07 23:12:00 -
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Tess La'Coil wrote:Please research before you make inaccurate claims: Yes, please do: GÇ£ If your pod is lost and you donGÇÖt have a clone that covers all your skill points, the first points youGÇÖll lose will be from the skill your points are highest in.GÇ¥
IOW, you will lose SP from BS V (2M SP) long before you lose it from Carrier IV (600k SP) simply because you have more SP in the battleship skill. The rank only matters in so far as it means that at the same skill level, you will have more SP in a higher-ranked skill than in the lower-ranked one, so of the two, the higher-ranked skill will lose SP first. What actually matters for the skill selection is the amount of SP, not the rank.
The primary skill is Capital Ships I, the secondary skill is Caldari Carrier I, and the tertiary skill is Jump Drive Operation I. The wiki somewhat obscures this fact by not nesting the skills properly, but it's readily apparent in-game, as is it on a proper DB browser. Note how only three skills GÇö the primary, secondary, and tertiary GÇö are at the outmost layer. Only those three are the prerequisites for the ship GÇö only one skill can be primary; only one can be secondary; only one can be tertiary.
Caldari Battleship V is a prerequisite to the Caldari Carrier skill, but not to the Chimera. You can have 0 SP in Caldari Battleship and still fly the Chimera as much as you'd want. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.11.07 23:24:00 -
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Chico Marten wrote:Maybe i'm missing something but when I check the BC skillbook it makes no mention of additional bonuses per level. Check the actual battlecruisers.
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Posted - 2012.11.08 15:54:00 -
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Miregar Shakor wrote:Bouh Revetoile wrote:I explain : you need BS5 to learn carrier skill, though, when carrier is injected, do you still need BS5 to only train it ? Yes, you do. I was training Covert Ops IV when I got podded, without having an up-to-date clone. The Skill Clone Penalty was Electronic Upgrades from V to IV. My training for Covert Ops IV stopped, with this in the log: [ 2010.10.24 09:32:59 ] (info) To learn that skill requires having already learned the following skills: Electronics Upgrades : Level 5. \o/ Finally, some empirical data! Excellent to know GÇö aside from the GÇ£don't need to flyGÇ¥ bit, it's always been a bit hazy how it works for the skill training.
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Posted - 2012.11.08 19:41:00 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:Are the racial destroyer skills getting put in on Dec. 4th or with the battlecruiser stuff? When everything is done. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.11.08 19:47:00 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:Right caught that part but my question was aimed at the destroyer skills getting split into racial skills and whether or not they are coming with the Dec. 4th patch. GǪand the answer is: when everything is done.
It was pretty much the first thing said in the blog; it was the first thing clarified by the devs in this thread; and it's been clarified on numerous occasions since.
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