Whatever you do, don't miss the Rorq. It will be useless for boosting purposes if you have to use the core ongrid..

Whatever you do, don't miss the Rorq. It will be useless for boosting purposes if you have to use the core ongrid..

its gonna hurt incursions more than it will hurt me or my alt whom both can do the hardest anoms and in some cases 10/10 plex's

Well here comes another blow.

I donGÇÖt own a tech moon, and I donGÇÖt buy and sell billions in items in Jita, I donGÇÖt have a disposable toon that can do faction warfare and ignore the standings hit, I do incursions to pad my wallet and fund the other things I love to do in EVE.

Little History

Last year CCP hit the incursion community with the Nerf Bat and stopped us dead in our tracks. Making the PVE more challenging was a bit of an understatement. The first rendition of the Update made some sites nearly undefeatable in anything less than a Deadspace fitted fleet of Machariels and Vindicators. So we suffered through and made the OGB a requirement for fleets giving us a safety margin that allowed us to grind out our ISK. Without this margin many ships are lost due to the unpredictable spawns. After a couple months CCP realized the madness of their plan and reverted some of the changes making the sites less GÇÿARE YOU KIDDING ME!GÇÖGÇÖ and more GÇ£WOW These are alot of work.GÇ¥ Since then we have grown back to about half the community we were pre-nerf and recovering well.

New suggestion

I can see how the old T3 vs. Command ship bonuses were in need of tweaking, and I am happy for the most part with the direction they are heading, except for the GÇÿOff GridGÇÖ portion. My suggestion, simply make the warfare modules not activate inside a POS.

As always CCP nerf is more GÇÿsledgehammerGÇÖ than GÇÿtweakGÇÖ.

The proposal;
lower the warfare link bonuses
give dual role bonuses
give a specific combat role
lose the ability to boost the fleet system wide
This is too much and will result in the usual complaint of GÇ£CCP ruined the command links.GÇ¥

Scanning down a command ship is really quite easy, so if youGÇÖre going to use it then you will need to defend it. Not allowing them to operate inside a POS solves the problem without ruining the current role they provide for many fleets. Is there something I am missing here?

From a Meta game point of view command ships are the information platform that receives and sends information making the fleet stronger and more reactive to the changing environment on the battlefield; that sounds like a FOB (Forward Operations Base) close to the front line, but rarely in it.

Summary

+1 this if you agree with the concept, or if you have another suggestion add and hopefully Fozie will come up with a plan that doesnGÇÖt exclude mission runners for the sake of allaying PVP tears.

CCP has screwed the Incursion community repeatedly in the last year, canGÇÖt they find some way of GÇÿfixingGÇÖ the problem without asking us to lube up first.

I run incursions in fleets that take on vanguards and assaults with no OGB at maximum influence.

If CCP removes the OG portion of OGB then I would view that as a waste of mine and every other players time and money, as the toon, ship, and boost we were training for are no longer the ship we would want them in.

As a side note, as we announced a while ago, we are not pleased by having Warfare Links work outside the battlefield zone, and will be investigating options to move them on grid. Command and Tech3 ships providing that much of an advantage should commit to an engagement instead of being safely parked inside a POS bubble.

Scanning down a command ship is really quite easy, so if youGÇÖre going to use it then you will need to defend it. Not allowing them to operate inside a POS solves the problem without ruining the current role they provide for many fleets. Is there something I am missing here?

OGB was and still is overpowered, in both PVP and PVE. Why should you get a bonus for literally no risk? (hint: the answer is you shouldn't)...
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Sure, cos no one will just move to parking it 1km off the shield of a dickstar with 200 ECM mods on it...

Just take your booster into your silly incursion site and take the 5% efficiency hit.

Offgrid boosting needs to die.

Sorry that game balance is affecting your jew haven.

Deal with it.

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There is no risk. Even outside of a POS, T3 boosting alts are typically fit to be as hard as possible to scan down, and require a lot of effort to do so. The risk is even lowers in highsec. Eve is all about risk vs reward. Why should a fleet get a massive reward (and the reward IS massive) for essentially zero risk?

Scanning down an OGB T3 is not "hard", it is impossible without max skills and the Virtue set.

Scanning down an OGB T3 is not "hard", it is impossible without max skills and the Virtue set.

So possibly a role bonus to RorqGÇÖs letting them run command links in a POS. would probably make it the latest preferred command link booster.

Of course I have never used a Rorq, it primarily uses the mining links right?
If so then simple fix would be no restriction on mining links They would work in, or out of the POS. I donGÇÖt think the PVPGÇÖers would care if youGÇÖre getting mining bonuses :)

This would be a possible solution, yeah - but I have to disagree about the PvP'ers part - there will be tears if all boosting will be changed and mining bonuses still remain the same == Less easy kills. ;)