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NastyLlama
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Posted - 2003.07.05 13:25:00 -
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This is the best example for *censored* carebears wanting the game as easy as it could be.
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What the hell has carebear stuff got to do with this ??
IT IS carebare, to want to steal with out risk.
How is it carebare to want to kill people, thats what I want to do, KILL ROBBERS.
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Well this is not thievery. Thievery would be when that guy comes up to your ship and steals the ore right out of your cargohold.
When I take those cigarettes I carry with me and throw them on the street and somebody picks them up to smoke them that doesn¦t make him a thief. It makes me an idiot for throwing them
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So your saying if you put some stuff in YOUR carrier bag and someone else takes it out, thats ok.
How is putting ore into a cargo container for collection considered to be throwing it away ?
By your thinking, if you post a letter into the post box then its ok for other people to take it out with out you telling them its ok to do so.
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"In this situation a lot of miners would just stack all the ore in one container awaiting pickup."
When what they should do, (ehehehe!), is take the ore to the station until the industrial is available.
Lazy miners are the thieves best friend!
ehehehe!
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A rather silly statement on your part.
It shows you never have mined much.
If you could take all the ore back to the station then why would you need it picked up in the first place :-/
As for not needing an industrial, well it takes so long to get the amount of ore needed to keep up production of a large corp that most people would go insane.
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scrapyard jack, you are half way to being awarded the darwin award, now all you have to do is die
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scrapyard jack has been noticed by our corp already and things are in motion any way, its not something we need to do right now due to more important thing needing our attention, but at some time he will understand why its not good to upset a mega corp.
Eve is vast, but it can seem to grow very small very quickly, if you know what I mean :-)
Edited by: NastyLlama on 05/07/2003 13:38:51
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I'M not a carebear, I'M a total coward, beware of cornerd carebares and cowards, we winge and cry like cornered pirates..........
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Scrapyard Jack
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Posted - 2003.07.05 13:36:00 -
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"It shows you never have mined much."
Too much, way too much, ehehehe!
"If you could take all the ore back to the station then why would you need it picked up in the first place :-/"
Mine, go to station. Mine, go to station. What's not to understand? ehehehe!
"As for not needing an industrial, well it takes so long to get the amount of ore needed to keep up production of a large corp that most people would go insane."
Mine in an Industrial ship. Lots of cargo space, but slow.
Mine fast, make more station trips.
Mine slow, make less station trips.
Scrapyard Jack thinks the problem here is that you want to have 4 miner 1s and 5000 cargo at the same time!
Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyzzzzzzzeeeeeee!
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Nerhtal Al'Thali
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Posted - 2003.07.05 13:38:00 -
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try declaring war with their corp, can you shoot in high sec space then without police attention and security rating loss (except pod killing still causes sec loss?!)
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Rhonstet
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Posted - 2003.07.05 13:40:00 -
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First, a definition from dictionary.com.
jetĄtiĄson ( P ) Pronunciation Key (jt-sn, -zn)
tr.v. jetĄtiĄsoned, jetĄtiĄsonĄing, jetĄtiĄsons
To cast overboard or off: a ship jettisoning wastes; a pilot jettisoning aircraft fuel.
Informal. To discard (something) as unwanted or burdensome: jettisoned the whole marketing plan.
I think the idea behind jettisoning cargo is to expel it. That's why the command is called 'Jettison'.
The idea of canister-mining is to start stacking mined material in space (which, as we all know, has a great deal of cargo room) rather then in the more cramped cargo hold. But unlike the cozy comfort of the cargo hold, stuff drifting around in space without a pilot at the helm is generally considered public property.
One way to fix this problem would be to introduce and sell lockable containers. These are objects in your inventory that allow you to decide who can open them.
You could also set a flag that marks the container as a 'secured' container. Anyone not in your corp or your gang who takes from that container would take a security rating hit. The secured flag is reset once you leave the system.
I myself think the mining market is crying out for an innovation in the field of canister mining. Perhaps attached deployable cargo objects that allow you to hold unlimited (or at least, very large quantities) of ore, but prevent warp travel and slow local travel.
Edited by: Rhonstet on 05/07/2003 13:42:09
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NastyLlama
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Posted - 2003.07.05 13:48:00 -
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Mine in an Industrial ship. Lots of cargo space, but slow.
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OMG!! Yes its slow, thats why we mine the other way.
Its just not right that dregs like you sponge off other peoples hard work with out any risk
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try declaring war with their corp, can you shoot in high sec space then without police attention and security rating loss (except pod killing still causes sec loss?!)
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I'M afraid its not that simple, if he is not in a corp or is in an ncp corp :-(
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I'M not a carebear, I'M a total coward, beware of cornerd carebares and cowards, we winge and cry like cornered pirates..........
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Setec
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Posted - 2003.07.05 14:04:00 -
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Scrapyard Jack kicks ass!
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Setec
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Posted - 2003.07.05 14:05:00 -
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try declaring war with their corp, can you shoot in high sec space then without police attention and security rating loss (except pod killing still causes sec loss?!)
Podkilling people you're at war with doesn't cause a sec loss at all, even in very high sec space. I did it 3 times yesterday. :)
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MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2003.07.05 14:14:00 -
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"So your saying if you put some stuff in YOUR carrier bag and someone else takes it out, thats ok."
I carry MY carrier bag in MY hand. And YES, I¦m saying that when I put those cigs into a carrier bag and leave that bag lying around on the street then it¦s ok for people to take it. Maybe it isn¦t ok for me, but it doesn¦t make them thieves, as I said it makes me stupid for throwing stuff on the street expecting that nobody will take it.
You don¦t take your money to the beach and leave it lying on your towel for everyone to see do you? Yes that money is yours but that doesn¦t stop people from taking it. And if you leave your money there for everyone to see while you go to take a bath then you¦re practically ASKING for them to take it. That¦s life, deal with it. That¦s the reason why people lock up their bikes, that¦s why people lock their cars, that¦s why people keep jewelry safe at home. You get the point?
You don¦t want your stuff to be taken? DON¦T leave it where others have access to it.
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NastyLlama
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Posted - 2003.07.05 14:27:00 -
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You don¦t take your money to the beach and leave it lying on your towel for everyone to see do you? Yes that money is yours but that doesn¦t stop people from taking it. And if you leave your money there for everyone to see while you go to take a bath then you¦re practically ASKING for them to take it. That¦s life, deal with it.
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But when someone takes your cash and he is seen doing it, you can call the police or hold him untill hte police get there, SO THE PERSON TAKING YOUR CASH TAKES THE RISK OF GETTING DONE BY THE POLICE, OR YOUR OWN QUICKLY DISHED OUT JUSTICE.
What happens in game is thay can take you stuff in full view with NO RISK AT ALL.
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I'M not a carebear, I'M a total coward, beware of cornerd carebares and cowards, we winge and cry like cornered pirates..........
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MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2003.07.05 14:41:00 -
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The cops might do something, yes, but that still doesn¦t change the fact that you¦re stupid for leaving stuff lying around like this.
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Archa
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Posted - 2003.07.05 14:53:00 -
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I don't like to say it, but Scrapyard Jack has a valid point.
Once you jettison it, it isn't yours anymore.
Ofcourse by a silent agreement we all accepted that other people should not take your ore.
Though the risk of you mining like this is that people like scrapyard will come by and take it from you.
BTW Jack, I hate people like you, however you make very funny forum posts:)
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Gold Brick
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Posted - 2003.07.05 14:57:00 -
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Hey Scrap -- don't be taking my stuff!
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zorlo
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Posted - 2003.07.05 15:14:00 -
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Goldbrick- I hear you are in an Ibis now.
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Gold Brick
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Posted - 2003.07.05 15:17:00 -
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Zorlo, you have made the newb mistake of seeing my trash.
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Damon Vile
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Posted - 2003.07.05 16:32:00 -
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Funny how the only ppl that don't seem to think this is stealing are the ones in NPC corps.
BTW if you set your bags down to open your car door would it be stealing if I ran up and took them? They where just sitting there on the ground, so what if you where standing right next to it. You should have taken then to your car one at a time from the store.
That in a nut shell scrapyard is your argument
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Gold Brick
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Posted - 2003.07.05 16:37:00 -
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That's exactly it. If you leave your wonder bread sitting in the parking lot, it is fair game.
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NastyLlama
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Posted - 2003.07.05 16:37:00 -
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Funny how the only ppl that don't seem to think this is stealing are the ones in NPC corps.
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Good point, maybe thay have the most to lose
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I'M not a carebear, I'M a total coward, beware of cornerd carebares and cowards, we winge and cry like cornered pirates..........
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Damon Vile
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Posted - 2003.07.05 16:46:00 -
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Gold brick read the whole example not just the parts you want to twist around. I didn't say anything about leaving it there.
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Scrapyard Jack
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Posted - 2003.07.05 16:55:00 -
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"BTW if you set your bags down to open your car door would it be stealing if I ran up and took them? They where just sitting there on the ground, so what if you where standing right next to it. You should have taken then to your car one at a time from the store."
Scrapyard Jack would like to present an innovative new technology: The shopping trolley, ehehehe!
Scrapyard Jack won't reiterate the superlative definition of the term "Jettison" that has already been provided in this thread, but would recommend that Damon reads it.
A poignant old Kevin Costner film comes to mind...
"If you fling it; Jack will come"
ehehehe!
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Secrecy
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Posted - 2003.07.05 17:22:00 -
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This is simple issue.
Have larger password protected cans which are very expensive. Put in a hacker skill, then have fun. If someone fails a hack detection roll ONLY the would be thief is flagged as if your corps are at war and you can roll in and kill them without Condord gankage. This would probably quell both sides of the house. The thief would also take a sec hit if a failure occurs.
Now, if the can is not a password type then its fair game and no one can complain. This should give both sides a good option. If you can't afford good cans, then you will have to use indy hold or ferry the cargo back 1 can at a time. If you don't then you lose your cargo to a thief. |
NastyLlama
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Posted - 2003.07.05 17:24:00 -
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Scrapyard Jack would like to present an innovative new technology: The shopping trolley, ehehehe!
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Good point, the shopping trollys a bit like a cargo container, you place your stuff inside untill it can be transported else where.
But its to be expected, that the people who hate the thought of getting killed stealing ore, are the very people who do it, and then yap on about daft reasons why its not stealing to take hard worked for ore.
Well if it was changed round so that we could kill a thief in high spec space, all the poor carebare robbers would be very poor.
:-)
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Have larger password protected cans which are very expensive. Put in a hacker skill, then have fun. If someone fails a hack detection roll ONLY the would be thief is flagged as if your corps are at war and you can roll in and kill them without Condord gankage. This would probably quell both sides of the house. The thief would also take a sec hit if a failure occurs.
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I like your thinking :-)
Edited by: NastyLlama on 05/07/2003 17:26:23
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I'M not a carebear, I'M a total coward, beware of cornerd carebares and cowards, we winge and cry like cornered pirates..........
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Scrapyard Jack
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Posted - 2003.07.05 17:30:00 -
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"Good point, the shopping trollys a bit like a cargo container, you place your stuff inside untill it can be transported else where."
ehehehe!
The carrier bag is the cargo container.
The shopping trolley is the indy.
ehehehe!
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Varna
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Posted - 2003.07.05 17:38:00 -
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Well... Crapjackass is a thief.
Luckily: mining isn't real fun so lets kill crapass and have some fun!
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Scrapyard Jack
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Posted - 2003.07.05 17:47:00 -
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"Luckily: mining isn't real fun so lets kill crapass and have some fun!"
Oddly enough, Scrapyard Jack would consider that to be immense fun, ehehehe!
Especially seeing you obliterated by Concord.
Hours of fun, oh yes.. ehehehe!
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Loviatar
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Posted - 2003.07.05 18:05:00 -
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The biggest griefers can always be found in games with no PvP. In eves case it's the little ****s in high security space, I'm sure you'd just love to find a door to block wouldn't you.
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Tallon
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Posted - 2003.07.05 18:48:00 -
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I had another thought. How about as non lethal repulser beam that miners can use with a high lvl mining skill. Say you lock up a thief and activate the device and it holds a ship out 1.5k and wont let it get any closer. The would be thief can always turn and leave just not get any closer. A thief would still have the ability to steel if he was smart and approached the miner in the direction the cargo pod is closest because the pods deploy 300 - 350m away from your ship. Kind of like putting rope around your claim.
To add fuel to the fire if I am standing in a busy area and I set down a bag next to me and some guy puts his hand in it I will forcefully remove his hand and tell him to go away. I just dont have that option currently in game. And yes if I am not paying attention and someone does it, yes I believe it is fair game. It will turn in to a his word against mine when the cops show up also.
LOL here is a visual for you all. If you are buying a ticket at the airport and have your bag next to you. What some of you are saying is that some person can walk up to you look you in the eye and open your bag, go through it and take what they want and leave. This is all while you are watching and are helpless to do anything about it.
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Magallen
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Posted - 2003.07.05 18:50:00 -
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It's still your property. When you place down something that belongs to you it doesn't make it ok for some stranger to come and take it away from you even if you walked away from it.
There is a simple solution to this problem. If you take ore from a container that belongs to someone who isn't in your gang or corporation you take a security hit. The more volume and quality of the ore(s) the greater the security hit you take.
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Korath
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Posted - 2003.07.05 19:07:00 -
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Sorry but I just can't agree with pirates hiding behind the police to commit "illegal" acts while the law abiding people are left powerless to deal with theaves. If someone opens up anothers container it should be considered a hostile act, period. I'm not saying make the cops come after them but at least make them open to attack if they steal from anothers container.
I dare you to come down to 0.0 space and try pulling that crap but of course you wont do that because you won't be able to hide behind the law.
It's a sad day when the police protect theives.
Edited by: Korath on 05/07/2003 19:08:38
Edited by: Korath on 05/07/2003 19:10:18
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Scrapyard Jack
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Posted - 2003.07.05 19:10:00 -
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Booooooorrrrriiiiinnnngggg, ehehehe!
Ok, Scrapyard Jack just wants to make this point ooooooooonnneee more time...
Regardless of your intentions:
You didn't "put it down for a moment".
You threw it away.
Scrapyard Jack is at a loss as to how this is so difficult for some people to understand.
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Korath
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Posted - 2003.07.05 19:15:00 -
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I do understand what your saying. Your arguements are those of a 12 year old. If I park my car and go into a store, is it then ok for someone to take my car? No it's not.
If I leave my bar-b-q on the back porch of my house is it then ok for someone to walk up and take it? No it's not.
If I'm mining and I choose to store my ore in a container is it ok for someone come and take my hard work from me? No it's not, I should have the ability to stop them. I'm not saying make it impossible to steal but at least give people the ability to protect themselves withought having to go back to the station every time their hold gets filled up or have to deal with using 1 laser on an indy. It's just not a very efficiant way to do things.
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