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Scrapyard Jack
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Posted - 2003.07.05 19:19:00 -
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"I do understand what your saying. Your arguements are those of a 12 year old. If I park my car and go into a store, is it then ok for someone to take my car? No it's not."
Absolutely not! But if you jettison the car into a scrapyard, is it ok for people to go and take bits off it?
"If I leave my bar-b-q on the back porch of my house is it then ok for someone to walk up and take it? No it's not."
Of course not! But if you jettison your bar-b-q into the city dump, is it ok for someone to go pick it up?
"If I'm mining and I choose to store my ore in a container is it ok for someone come and take my hard work from me?"
If you jettison your ore into space, is it ok for someone to go pick it up?
You betcha, ehehehe!
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.07.05 19:40:00 -
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Oh for the love of Peter, Paul and Mary!
The game mechanics you helped design to keep pirates from beating the tar out of you now protects scavengers? I call that an ironic twist of fate.
You want to protect your ore that you jettison into space? Go out to the 0.0 regions where you can be vaped by a real pirate. Or tell CCP to make it so that anyone who opens your container and not ganged with you or not in your corp becomes considered a hostile action. Then you can shoot them.
Though most of you aare armed only with mining lasers so I can't imagine what you'll shoot them with other than harsh words. Which is why you're begging for CCP to lock the containers. Which I think is an exploit in the first place (whoever heard of a container with infinite space anyways? Even Bags of Holding from D&D had a limited capacity).
Gold Brick/Scrapyard Jack:
Shear the furbearers till they get hypothermia from the cold :D
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Trom
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Posted - 2003.07.05 19:50:00 -
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"Though most of you aare armed only with mining lasers so I can't imagine what you'll shoot them with other than harsh words."
warp/propulsion scramblers and then my 2 missile launchers and passle of combat drones.
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Scrapyard Jack
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Posted - 2003.07.05 19:54:00 -
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"warp/propulsion scramblers and then my 2 missile launchers and passle of combat drones."
A fine arsenal indeed! ehehehe!
However, bear in mind that ore thieves usually operate in Concord protected space. If you attack them, you will be attacked by Concord and be killed.
Also bear in mind that Scrapyard Jack flies a Thorax, has good fighting skills and has no need for mining lasers, ehehehe!
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Aldamar
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Posted - 2003.07.05 19:58:00 -
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People don't seem to realize just how much these guys steal. Gold Brick does nothing but go around from belt to belt in his Badger II and steal ore. A couple nights ago he was in the bounty channel trying to sell 100k of noxium. In just 1 mineral type from the ore he stole that is 25,600,000 isk if he got top price for it. Theft of this magnitude should not be completely without consequences. People should have options to take care of these parasites.
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Guardian334
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Posted - 2003.07.05 20:01:00 -
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Children.
Go. Away. From. Safe. Space.
Do. Not. Stay. In. The. High. Traffic. Areas.
Complaining about people taking stuff you're mining in systems with tons of people walking around ... there are a lot of negative adjectives that can be used to describe you.
Grow up and go find a quiet corner.
Or, option B, continue whining like a child on the boards.
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Scrapyard Jack
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Posted - 2003.07.05 20:02:00 -
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"People should have options to take care of these parasites."
ehehehe! But they do!
Mine smart, and don't leave ore lying around.
It's completely avoidable.
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Trom
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Posted - 2003.07.05 20:04:00 -
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"However, bear in mind that ore thieves usually operate in Concord protected space. If you attack them, you will be attacked by Concord and be killed.
Also bear in mind that Scrapyard Jack flies a Thorax, has good fighting skills and has no need for mining lasers, ehehehe!"
See, even you call yourself a thief(kind of negates all your posts about how you are not stealing and just picking up what others throw away).
This is exactly the problem. Thieves should NOT be protected by the police. Thieves should take a faction hit and be open to attack by whoever they stole from and if the thief wins the fight they should take a faction hit for killing the person that was protecting thier ore. However if the person protecting thier ore wins they should get positive faction for being a good citizen.
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Scrapyard Jack
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Posted - 2003.07.05 20:20:00 -
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"See, even you call yourself a thief"
Scrapyard Jack never claimed different, however in the eyes of the game mechanics, there is no crime.
Scrapyard Jack's point is that cannister-mining is not "the way" to mine. Certainly, it is a method that increases the speed and ease of mining, however these benefits do come with a risk.
Namely, Scrapyard Jack (and associates).
Simply put, you should not be able to enjoy the benefits of 5 CU-Vapor bores/10 harvester drones and the unlimited cargo space that a cargo cannister offers. Certainly not with 0% risk.
If there is a crime here, it's yours, boyo!
ehehehe!
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snotty
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Posted - 2003.07.05 20:27:00 -
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he,
no badmouthing about me, ok i "stole" a beam one time way back in beta but i mine my own ore.
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Trom
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Posted - 2003.07.05 20:29:00 -
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Actually I agree with your last post Scrapyard Jack. But just as you say I should not be able to mine without risk, neither should thieves be able to steal without risk. Thieves should NOT be protected by the cops.
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Scrapyard Jack
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Posted - 2003.07.05 20:31:00 -
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"neither should thieves be able to steal without risk."
Well, that's the thing ain't it, boyo?
In the eyes of the game mechanics, they're scavengers, not thieves hence, no comebacks.
ehehehe!
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.07.05 20:38:00 -
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"Certainly, it is a method that increases the speed and ease of mining, however these benefits do come with a risk.
Namely, Scrapyard Jack (and associates)."
Scrapyard you are a freakin genius. I bet there wont be a celebral booster for you for a long time, cause you are too smart!
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"Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so?
Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor?
Molly > lol
Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships" |
Scrapyard Jack
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Posted - 2003.07.05 20:40:00 -
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"Scrapyard you are a freakin genius. I bet there wont be a celebral booster for you for a long time, cause you are too smart!"
ehehehe!
Cheers, chuck!
Scrapyard Jack don't do too bad for a guy who was dropped on 'is head as a clone, ehehehe!
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Kaleb
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Posted - 2003.07.05 20:43:00 -
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If anyone see Scrapyard Jack please message me. I'd like to kill him. ;p
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Scrapyard Jack
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Posted - 2003.07.05 20:47:00 -
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ehehehe!
Scrapyard Jack is in Odatrik, Heimater.
See you soon, eh?
ehehehe!
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Jojin
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Posted - 2003.07.05 21:27:00 -
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Just a note on the jettisoned containers; they do not have unlimited space. They are limited to 27,000m3 I believe. While this may seem to be a lot, it can be quickly filled.
According to the legal system inside the game, it is not considered a violation of any law to salvage free floating items in space. This is the way the law is in game, so you will have to exercise your rights in the game to deal with those who would salvage ore and other items.
According to the legal system inside the game, it is a violation of the law to attack another citizen, unless it is done in self defense of life (i.e. they have to shoot you first).
For those who wish to have the laws changed, it would seem the Intergalactic Summit would be a good place to voice your opinion. It will be the in-game law which will need to be ratified. Perhaps, with enough support, some of the governmental bodies will ratify their laws to include protection of jettisoned containers.
Be aware, in the past, such law ratifications often incur additional charges. I would not be surprised to see increased taxes imposed to cover the additional costs incurred with extending monitoring to include jettisoned containers, container ownership registration, processing fees, and any number of other costs.
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Sanru
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Posted - 2003.07.06 00:11:00 -
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Well Scrapyard Jack, I probably shouldn't bother even replying to a simple minded troll such as yourself, but what the hell, I'm bored.
You know full well the ore isn't being abandoned. So knock off the coy act that your not in fact stealing.
The more reasonable of us agree it should be possible to steal, this isn't really the issue. The issue is theft has no repercussions. Theft in every single human society is considered a crime, in some cultures it's even punishable by death. Theft is taking what isn't yours, the cargo wasn't yours, hence you were stealing. And stuff that BS about jettisoned cargo being abandoned and no longer yours, you know that isn't the case and I'm sick of you parroting the same line. It's like saying if I have to leave the trunk of my car open to move stuff from the trunk to my house, anything in the trunk is fair game to whoever walks by. Sure, they could take something, but I'd be within my legal rights to detain them and call the police.
Carebear argument my butt, it's a carebear who wants to take no risks in profiting off others.
So you never leave empire space Jack ? I predict a very boring future for you. But should you venture out of empire space, I'd say you've annoyed a great number of people and I wouldn't count on keeping that Thorax too long.
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Gold Brick
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Posted - 2003.07.06 01:01:00 -
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Sanru, you are the carebear here. There are consequences to picking up abandoned cargo containers. You get on everyone's hit list. Most are pathetic, but occasionally one gets lucky or is simply persistant.
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Sanru
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Posted - 2003.07.06 01:19:00 -
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I'm not going to waste my time with you Gold. Your intellect is far too primitive to explain anything more than the most simple of things.
So I'll just leave you with a tall glass of STFU with a chaser of FOAD.
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Gold Brick
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Posted - 2003.07.06 01:23:00 -
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Sure Think Fondly of U and Friends Of All Dudes?
You are just another mark.... go mine for me.
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Shill DeGruin
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Posted - 2003.07.06 09:59:00 -
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I will also make it a personal ( and maybe corp ) aim to kill Scrapyard Jack at evry opportunity. You are a piece of scum....
My sec rating ? Bah ...wh cares . My sub will be cancelled if CCP doesnt sort out these loopholes ultra quick,
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Scrapyard Jack
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Posted - 2003.07.06 10:03:00 -
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"I will also make it a personal ( and maybe corp ) aim to kill Scrapyard Jack at evry opportunity. You are a piece of scum...."
And Scrapyard Jack will make it a personal aim to collect up your corpses after Concord (with the noble assistance of Scrapyard Jack) reduce your shiny lil ship to the consistency of crab paste, ehehehe!
"My sec rating ? Bah ...wh cares . My sub will be cancelled if CCP doesnt sort out these loopholes ultra quick,"
Bah, crybaby!
ehehehe!
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Tyr Bowman
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Posted - 2003.07.06 11:06:00 -
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There is a simple solution to this problem which dosent even require a patch.
Always mine in pairs. Have a miner and a hauler... One person mines and gives the hauler the ore, the other hauls the ore back to base, and the profits are split 50-50.
If you cant find anyone you trust to mine or haul, then join a corp who runs regular mining operations. If you dont wanna join a corp, then perhaps you should rethink about how you make your ISK ;)
I container mine with my corp all the time, and yes i've had my ore stolen once or twice. While it was a pain at the time, it was entirely my fault for jettisoning the container in the first place, so i'm not gonna complain!
by the way Jack, your posts are damn funny!
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three fitty
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Posted - 2003.07.06 11:32:00 -
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ok i have done both
now when i ripped off some ones cargo i thought it was random spawn i was very new to the game and in a belt one system away from the starting system i found 7k units of ore all by itself out in space (who am i going to ask)so i loaded up my n00b ship and went back to the station...,guy probobly lost 2 mins work of ore of course my second trip it was gone. i never knew who's crap it was
now that i realise what people are doing i would not take someone elses work and i do it myself sometimes
of course i tried to find a system out of the was that has very few visitors and i understand its a risk i am taking the first time an indie ganks my ore ill move to a new system 2nd time i might have to rethink my tactics
i leave my door mat in front of my house , i expect it to be there in the morn
if im at a pub and someone goes to take a **** i dont swipe there smokes off the bar eather
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Bolka
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Posted - 2003.07.06 12:07:00 -
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A good thread to highlight the idiots around...
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Shintai
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Posted - 2003.07.06 12:11:00 -
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CCP¦s staement is, what you leave in space is free for all to take. Learn and live with it and adapt, instead of whining.
Ain¦t it what miners told combat people?
Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry |
NastyLlama
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Posted - 2003.07.06 13:43:00 -
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quote
CCP¦s staement is, what you leave in space is free for all to take. Learn and live with it and adapt, instead of whining.
Ain¦t it what miners told combat people?
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The real point is that people can rob steal or what ever against you or your corp, and becouse its in high spec space then nothing can be done.
This is not good for the game.
I for one cant wait untill I'M able to leave highe spec space, soon as I'M all set up ready, then bye bye high sec space and hello to real fun.
Thats where the real game will be played out to my thinking.
The silly people cant live out in low sec space due to players being able to blast the arse wipes out of existence :-)
Some new players living in the high sec areas my get a bit naffed off with the growing nombers of players running around acting like 12 year old snotty kids, unable to see the damage this dose to the game.
We need to express out rage in the game by blasting players who commit acts of robbery and theft, whats the point of playing a PvP game if you cant fight back.
Its going to get worse, as more players are forced to return to the old time, long hall,major time waisting mining lark, we will see more players leave.
Mining is important and dam hard work, its mining that starts every thing going in this game, from production to drive the market, that makes for equipment and ships etc.
The faster you can mine, the faster you can progress to other areas of the game, if mining is getting killed by the high sec pirates who need take no risk, then the miners of eve will in the end see no point to it and quit.
At the moment the problem is not to bad, but like all problems of this type, it will grow into a larger problem [I hope not but we will see in time]
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I'M not a carebear, I'M a total coward, beware of cornerd carebares and cowards, we winge and cry like cornered pirates..........
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Sarkos
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Posted - 2003.07.06 14:07:00 -
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The answer is a simple one. Have a disposable ship ready and armed. When you see a thief, go get the ship and blow them into atoms, pod him and try to get to a gate. Worst case scenario is you lose some sec rating and a ship that was meant to be lost. I'll bet his new clone costs more than your old ship.
Sarkos
Voushod and Spiritual Advisor
Oracle Tribe
Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
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Aldamar
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Posted - 2003.07.06 17:24:00 -
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At least Gold Brick is not a coward was well as a thief. Scrapyard Jack is both. Gold Brick is in his own corp so you have the option to have your corp go to war with his and then can shoot him anyplace/anytime without cops interfearing or SS hit. Unfortunately you can't do this with Scrapyard Jack because he is still hiding in his newbie corp.
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