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MiningLlama
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Posted - 2003.07.05 10:27:00 -
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Its a real pain when a noob can steal ore from your container, when he is in high spec space he just cant be touched, or the nice ol police man gets to smack your rear with a big nasty gun.
When you spend hours mining it realy makes people mad to find some snotty nosed arsewipe roll up and take the lot in one go, and there is nothing you can do about it :-(
As for the password protected containers, there to small to be of any use in mining.
Could ccp make it a crime for non corp members to take from your container while your in the same roid belt and let you fire on them.
If you leave you container ungarded then tuff *****, but come on ccp, let us strike back when we are robbed.
PS if you see a guy called Ramen noodle look out, he wiil steal your ore right in front of you.
Edited by: MiningLlama on 05/07/2003 10:34:13
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Scrapyard Jack
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Posted - 2003.07.05 10:38:00 -
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ehehehe!
Scrapyard Jack is proud to be protecting the environment by picking up after such careless, thoughtless miners whose unfettered cargo containers are besmirching the beautiful landscape!
You drop it, and Scrapyard Jack will cheerfully pick it up. If you don't want Scrapyard Jack to do that, then don't drop things.
Theft may be a crime, but so is littering.
ehehehe!
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NastyLlama
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Posted - 2003.07.05 10:59:00 -
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Its not about droping things and leaving them, but hard work being stolen by people who like you can just lol away happy to know they are untouchable.
You cant be bothered to mine for your self, so you just take.
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I'M not a carebear, I'M a total coward, beware of cornerd carebares and cowards, we winge and cry like cornered pirates..........
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Phyo
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Posted - 2003.07.05 11:04:00 -
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High sec or low sec.. who steals from me, gets shot at.
I can outrun the cops.
I got no respect for thiefs, the moment you steal from me, I consider that an act of war and will respond accordingly.
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NastyLlama
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Posted - 2003.07.05 11:13:00 -
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The problem with that, is the sec changes introduced by CCP
If your sec rateing drops to far, your going to have to live out in low sec space, due to the police now taking a hard line on low sec people in high sec space.
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I'M not a carebear, I'M a total coward, beware of cornerd carebares and cowards, we winge and cry like cornered pirates..........
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Phyo
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Posted - 2003.07.05 11:34:00 -
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Attention, this container belongs to another corporation. Taking any content is an act of thievery and will lower your security rating.
Do you want to proceed ?
Yes ........ Cancel
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Captain Stern
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Posted - 2003.07.05 11:38:00 -
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What is the problem here that I keep seeing over and over???
I don't understand why people are dropping stuff in space long enough to be stolen without an indy around to collect it with them anyway.
This doesn't have to be as big a problem as people keep making it out to be.
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Tallon
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Posted - 2003.07.05 11:38:00 -
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I am offering a 500,000 ISK bounty for the pilot that brings me the frozen corps of Ramen Noodle. He is opperating out of Altinur.
Please see this post for updates.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=17039
Thanks,
Tallon
P.S. It is the only retribution possible at this point.
Edited by: Tallon on 05/07/2003 11:40:54
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Phyo
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Posted - 2003.07.05 11:43:00 -
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Some players wish to mine for hours and call in a mate with an indy later on.
Or pick it up themselves with their own industrial.
Isn't that hard to come to this conclusion yourselves.. is it ?
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Scrapyard Jack
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Posted - 2003.07.05 11:45:00 -
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"but hard work being stolen"
ehehehe!
Yes, and Scrapyard Jack recognises that sitting next to a rock automining and (potentially) using a macro program to jettison containers is "hard work"....
uh, wait.. maybe not.
Pick one:
1. Mine a full cargo load, go to the station and deposit.
2. Mine a full cargo load, wait until your corporations industrial comes, then jettison it.
But sit there semi-afk and repeatedly toss containers into the ether, and Scrapyard Jack (or someone else) is gonna come take it.
Scrapyard Jack,
Scrapyard Jack,
Will take yer ore,
Won't give it back!
ehehehe!
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Tallon
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Posted - 2003.07.05 11:48:00 -
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The problem is that I was mining and he just drove his indy up to me and took my ore. What do you do in a 0.8 system to stop it??? I cant shoot him I didnt have enough yet for me to go get my indy or call on a corp member for pickup. He flew up to me and took 22k Plag from my container. Then did it a second time after I just mined it back up. I cant shoot him, I tried to talk to him. Nothing!!! Sit and watch your ore loaded in to anothers ship with no way of stoping it. Felt kind of helpless. So I am offering a reward... It is the only thing I can think of doing for revenge.
Thanks,
Tallon
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Scrapyard Jack
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Posted - 2003.07.05 11:49:00 -
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"What do you do in a 0.8 system to stop it???"
Don't jettison your ore and leave it sitting in space.
Pretty simple, if y'ask ol' Jack.
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Phyo
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Posted - 2003.07.05 11:50:00 -
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eheheheehee and Phyo will be there in his Thorax with double mwd to blow your ass to pieces ehehhehe
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NastyLlama
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Posted - 2003.07.05 11:51:00 -
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What is the problem here that I keep seeing over and over???
I don't understand why people are dropping stuff in space long enough to be stolen without an indy around to collect it with them anyway.
This doesn't have to be as big a problem as people keep making it out to be.
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The problem is, that even if you have an indy in the same roid belt, the robber can just sit by your container and pick up your ore when he likes.
So you drop it in, he takes it out, you drop it in the indy tryes to get it first and has to sit there.
So you need one indy per miner.
You can't do squat to the guy stealing, and he can just wander round at will, waiting for the next load to refine.
Rather sad eh!!
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I'M not a carebear, I'M a total coward, beware of cornerd carebares and cowards, we winge and cry like cornered pirates..........
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Captain Stern
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Posted - 2003.07.05 11:56:00 -
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I guess. Okay, just curious since I've never done that kind of drop mining myself yet.
Good answers :)
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Scrapyard Jack
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Posted - 2003.07.05 11:59:00 -
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"eheheheehee and Phyo will be there in his Thorax with double mwd to blow your ass to pieces ehehhehe"
ehehehehehehehe!
Double MWD! ehehehehe! What's that leave ya, boyo .. 250 shields? 600 cap?
Let's look at the scenario, shall we?
You shoot Scrapyard Jack.
Scrapyard Jack shoots you.
Concord turns up.
Concord shoots you.
You die.
Scrapyard Jack says "ehehehehe" a lot.
Scrapyard Jack flies a Thorax too, ehehehe!
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Phyo
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Posted - 2003.07.05 12:01:00 -
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Now who's not thinking.. you are stealing our cargo with a bestower, so youre in an indy, not a thorax.
And the double mwd makes it possible to stay out of range of the cops and dock to a station.
Result.. you are dead, I'm alive with a lower sec rating.
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Shill DeGruin
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Posted - 2003.07.05 12:03:00 -
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Ummm no Scrapyard Jack. Most ppl who afk mine do so from an Indy, so they aren't dropping containers at all.
Picture this scenario : you're in a corp and mining Scordite in a 1.0 sec system. You've been asked by your CEO to obtain 100k scordite and an Indy will come and pick it up soon. The Indy driver gets held up with another task and can't make it for another 30 mins. In this situation a lot of miners would just stack all the ore in one container awaiting pickup.
Then along comes Scrapyard Jack .... and picks it all up. What can you do ? You certainly weren't afk .... you were actively mining. If you fire off a warning shot the police come after you .. not the thief. If you kill the thief you are in an even worse state with your security status ( which is now difficult to restore ). The victim is therefore completely unprotected.
I'm all for keeping thieving in-game. But thieving should be noted as a crime ....and have tangible consequences. The victim should be allowed to pursue action without retribution against him/her from the authorities.
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Scrapyard Jack
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Posted - 2003.07.05 12:09:00 -
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"In this situation a lot of miners would just stack all the ore in one container awaiting pickup."
When what they should do, (ehehehe!), is take the ore to the station until the industrial is available.
Lazy miners are the thieves best friend!
ehehehe!
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Main
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Posted - 2003.07.05 12:18:00 -
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scrapyard jack, you are half way to being awarded the darwin award, now all you have to do is die.
Main
Everlasting Vendetta Veteran
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Rogue Noir
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Posted - 2003.07.05 12:23:00 -
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Im sorry but Il have to agree with the very entertaining jacko here, its a known problem so if you are so worried then dont drop ore all over the place unless you are sure there is no one else around.
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Sanru
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Posted - 2003.07.05 12:25:00 -
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Jack, do you really have nothing better to do that make inflammatory replies that serve no purpose ? Get a life.
Anyways, can't really say I endorse thievery. It sucks spending time doing something then some yahoo exploiting a loophole waltzes in and steals it from you. But it's supposed to be a risk we take, but I think it's fair that the thief takes on some risk as well. The current situation is rewarding them while they undertake no risks whatsoever. Stealing is a crime, it should be recognized as such.
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Scrapyard Jack
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Posted - 2003.07.05 12:33:00 -
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"then some yahoo exploiting a loophole waltzes in and steals it from you"
Scrapyard Jack really doesn't have anything better to do right now, but thank you for asking.
Scrapyard Jack will reiterate:
If you jettison it, it's no longer "yours", therefore it can not be stolen.
If you're too lazy to mine properly and have to look for, ahem, loopholes to exploit to make your mining easier, then perhaps you, m'friend, are a yahoo, ehehehe!
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.07.05 12:52:00 -
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This is the best example for *censored* carebears wanting the game as easy as it could be.
Next request will be removal of all weapons and setting all security ratings of solar systems to 1.0 (even outside empire space) and a free battleship with 8 CU Vapors for everyone.
Go and play some hearts, you can't get hurt there.
Edited by: Molly on 05/07/2003 12:54:55
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"Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so?
Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor?
Molly > lol
Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships" |
Tobruk
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Posted - 2003.07.05 12:53:00 -
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Is my corp the only one that noticed you can only jet a can once every five minutes now? That means you MUST fill a can for at least five minutes, before an indy can even grab it. If they grab it prior to then, you will have to stop mining until your five minutes have passed. So even if the indy is SITTING ON TOP OF YOU, your can still has to float in space for 5 minutes. CCP should definately implement some sort of can protection now.
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MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2003.07.05 12:59:00 -
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Well this is not thievery. Thievery would be when that guy comes up to your ship and steals the ore right out of your cargohold.
When I take those cigarettes I carry with me and throw them on the street and somebody picks them up to smoke them that doesnŠt make him a thief. It makes me an idiot for throwing them on the street and expecting that nobody will take em. ItŠs that simple.
If you donŠt want your ore to be picked up by strangers then do what has to be done to prevent it. Whether that be shooting those guys and dealing with the cops or simply NOT jettisoning the ore is up to you. And whether that is unfair or makes mining annoying in highsec space doesnŠt play a role... life is NOT fair, EvE is NOT fair.
And by the way:
When youŠre at the point to mine with 5 ships with an indy picking up the ore then you should consider moving farther out.
Mai's Idealog |
StoreSlem
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Posted - 2003.07.05 13:08:00 -
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Tobruk ask the indy guy to leave 1 ore.
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Vacuole
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Posted - 2003.07.05 13:11:00 -
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I've actually seen lazy miners do this:
They mine a load, then jettison it..then mine and mine for a good while and keep putting stuff in that container.
Then sometime later, they stop mining, and start ferrying the ore, bit by bit, from that container to a station somewhere, leaving the container just sitting there out in space all alone.
It seems like lazy mining, but most of all, it's stupid because the only time being saved it vanishingly small; the time it takes to approach the asteroid and turn-on the beams. And you can save that by using a bookmark in most cases.
So if this is the kind of mining you do, then you sorta diserve to lose "your" ore.
Maybe your plan is to return in an Indy.. well still, you left the container alone out in some belt.....
If the NPC's were in the habit of shooting containers, we wouldn't be seeing this thread. :)
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Takumi Vetinari
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Posted - 2003.07.05 13:13:00 -
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"And by the way:
When youŠre at the point to mine with 5 ships with an indy picking up the ore then you should consider moving farther out."
Unless it's no-fuss common minerals you're after.
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Takumi Vetinari, Founder
PIE Inc
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halgar
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Posted - 2003.07.05 13:22:00 -
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folks we can sell you some wonderfull theif protection devices-"mines"
post here if you want some?
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