Well lets see how the mining frigate turns out first. Besides mining frigate or not, freighters still font have fitting options, the salvaging drone will still be a dumbed down drone compared to a tractor counter-part.

Some things have been "broken" for a long time before CCP addresses it, so just because things have been a certain way for a certain amount of time does not mean its perfect

Not if you look at all the other ships bar the shuttle, which have fitting options. Even the old school haulers have high slots and turret points wtf? If the freighter should stay true to the EVE sandbox nature, it ought to have fitting options. Players should be able to decide wether they want tank, speed or a some combination. There would probably be an outrage if the mining frigate had no fitting options and came prepacked with mining lasers.

No one is gonna remove your 200k EHP freighter, you will just have to put some reinforced bulkheds on it to get that

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Why cant they enter high sec btw.

You mean CONCORD are too weak, or?

About what? He is 100% correct about what would have to happen and why it would be a bad thing.

Do you honestly believe that freighter pilots in general want their ships to carry less stuff or become even weaker than they are now? Because those are the only two options if they were given lowslots.

Sometimes freighters fly empty and they dont need 200k EHP or a gang or alt to baby sit them

What? :)

Why? :)

You know it's a slow day in the forum when a bad troll pulls the ganker, the straw man and the egoist into his web.

A solid 8/10 from me.

Mr Epeen

Thanks, though "Carry less in your hold" didn't need repeated so much considering I had already mentioned that one.

Are you suggesting a fittable freigther will become an all purpose vessel?

No :) You can fit the freighter to be exactly as it is today.

I dont think anyone is saying the freighter doesent work. At least not if you have 800k m3, with approximately 1 billion value that you need to move. However there are situations inbetween where it is not optimal, but it is still chosen because its the only real option

There are already modules in-game that freighter pilots can use to build m3 without hurting their buffer.

I think there is a rig that increases m3 but reduces armor

Let me spell it out for you then

3 Cargohold optimisation rigs will probably be the most used. This ensures optimal M3 for the freighter. It takes a hit to the armor HP but it doesent really matter since its buffer lies in the hull. The low slots can then be used to choose between agility, more m3 or better buffer. Regardless of what is chosen it will impact the ship in a negative way, of course. But thats not to say the the slower better tanked freighter will be better than the faster one or vice versa. It all depends on the circimstances

Afaik a more versatile ship is not a nerf

That doesent really make sense. If you lack fitting skills you can always use battle-clinic or other sites like that, or ask in-game for proper freighter fits when the time comes

The best way to make it more resilient is to double wrap your stuff or use a JF to jump your stuff to Amarr lowsec if travelling from Jita , avoiding popular freighter ganking systems entirely.

What makes you think it will become worse of?

He was saying that he wouldnt be able to transport the same amount of m3 as he use to. I have no idea why he says this. Its a non issue since the freighter should have the same m3 with 3 cargohold optimisiations. That will take it back to its current status, except it needs a little buffer. This is done with a DCU or Reinforced bulkheads or both. However there are other situations where niether buffer nor 860k M3 is needed where speed is preferred instead. Go ahead and fit whatever speed mods you like then.

Well feel free to do that, general rule of thumb has always been maximum 1 billion worth of cargo else you make yourself a target :)

The versatility, i feel like ive covered this, as well as you can make your freighter excactly as it is today