Hello,

It seems CCP on a large part no longer add sandbox. They make a Mining Frigate. And make it exactly clear what to use it for. They make salvaging drones and making it excactly clear what they are suppose to be used for. Freighters dont have even fitting options.

They have to stay true to the sandbox element else they will be loosing players faster and faster. For example instead of making a mining frigate, just make a frigate with many turret hardpoints and lots of CPU. People will figure out its the best for mining. Instead of making salvaging drones make drones that tractor wrecks to your ship. People will figure out to get a ship that fits a decent amount of salvagers. And there are also plenty of other uses for this tractor drone. Freighters should have fitting flots. Atm. they just gave them plenty of HP, made them slow, and gave them lots of cargo space. It has to be up to players to experiement with fits and make the freighter they want. A slow but tanky one, or a fast but more more easier to gank one etc. Its all about the sandbox element, leaving choice up to the player. Experimenting is part of the game.

I suppose you are in favor of dumbing down then

Hello,

It seems CCP on a large part no longer add sandbox. They make a Mining Frigate. And make it exactly clear what to use it for. They make salvaging drones and making it excactly clear what they are suppose to be used for. Freighters dont have even fitting options.

They have to stay true to the sandbox element else they will be loosing players faster and faster. For example instead of making a mining frigate, just make a frigate with many turret hardpoints and lots of CPU. People will figure out its the best for mining. Instead of making salvaging drones make drones that tractor wrecks to your ship. People will figure out to get a ship that fits a decent amount of salvagers. And there are also plenty of other uses for this tractor drone. Freighters should have fitting flots. Atm. they just gave them plenty of HP, made them slow, and gave them lots of cargo space. It has to be up to players to experiement with fits and make the freighter they want. A slow but tanky one, or a fast but more more easier to gank one etc. Its all about the sandbox element, leaving choice up to the player. Experimenting is part of the game.

Hello,

It seems CCP on a large part no longer add sandbox. They make a Mining Frigate. And make it exactly clear what to use it for. They make salvaging drones and making it excactly clear what they are suppose to be used for. Freighters dont have even fitting options.

CCP adds new ships and modules to give more options for people to utilize. Idiot complains that they are taking away the sandbox aspect. Newsflash buddy, noone says you can't fit blasters to the mining frigate and surprise the hell out of someone.

What exactly is being dumbed down? The mining frigate is being added, since racial mining bonused frigates are being removed with the tiericide, so a new dedicated ship was needed. All part of tiericide, that had made previously useless ships competitive. Salvage drones are adding more drone options and alternatives to fitting a salvager. You know adding more viable options available to the players. The opposite of dumbing down.

Freghters on the other hand are like big shuttles and always have been. It would be nice if CCP made them regular ships with some fitting choices, but they aren't being changed, so they can't therefore be dumbed down either.

Well lets see how the mining frigate turns out first. Besides mining frigate or not, freighters still font have fitting options, the salvaging drone will still be a dumbed down drone compared to a tractor counter-part.

Makes me wonder what you think about the mining drones.

Also as I said before, freighters have been in game for over 7 years and work just fine.

Some things have been "broken" for a long time before CCP addresses it, so just because things have been a certain way for a certain amount of time does not mean its perfect

Only if said ship is broken.

Freighters are working just fine.

Complains about no sandbox.
Lives in highsec.

Not if you look at all the other ships bar the shuttle, which have fitting options. Even the old school haulers have high slots and turret points wtf? If the freighter should stay true to the EVE sandbox nature, it ought to have fitting options. Players should be able to decide wether they want tank, speed or a some combination. There would probably be an outrage if the mining frigate had no fitting options and came prepacked with mining lasers.

Freighters are fine and have been since they were added back in 2005.

I do not want my freighetr to be nerfed in both EHP and Cargo space because you (and only you and a minority of others) think it should get fitting slots to fill the role it already fills. If you want something more tanky use the deep space transports. If you want something fast use a blocade runner. If you want something not quite as big as the freighter but bigger than the subcap haulers use the orca.

Well just look at that, we do have options. How sandboxy.

Said mining frigate is filling several roles and thus, needs fitting options.



Who was the fool who put 20 billion into the hold?

Wow, troll-a-thon in high gear today. Think I might have saw one halfway intelligent counter argument buried in all the pixelated defecation. So I'm going to break ranks and actually discuss the OP instead of just being another cyberturd in the punchbowl.

Mining frigates are useful in the same context as mining cruisers. It gives a stepping ladder for miners to start with, before moving to cruisers and finally into barges. It seems like a good idea but you are correct in pointing out that this generally goes against the idea of "tieracide" - which oddly enough still applied to actual barges (now each has a dedicated role) but not to mining frigates or cruisers. So I can see why someone would find that to be a step backward, because unless the mining frigates and cruisers had some specific niche to occupy other than their size, that indeed does sound like going back to tier-based thinking. Maybe CCP should liven it up a bit and expand upon their roles more? After all, the barges got rebuilt to be more than linear tiers - they have specific jobs. What's so special about one mining frigate/cruiser over another?

As for freighters, many people (myself included) have complained about the lack of fittings as well. It is generally well known that with industrial transports, pilots must chose between more cargo or more protection, and this fits well with EvE's general philosophy of risk vs reward. Freighters do not have that option, and options are what keeps EvE vibrant. When freighters run into problems (gankers, bumping, whatever) they have no options on how to deal with it. They can't decide to trade cargo for tank or vice versa. Yet they get blamed when "foolish behavior" gets them killed? How does one blame someone else for something they have no say in? So yes, freighters need fittings, just like everything else. It's overdue. Some may say that freighters are working fine. Really? Have you asked the freighter captains that, or are we just asking the people who prey on them? I'll go with what the freighter captains have to say first, thank you.

It would amaze me that people would ever vote against having more options in EvE, but then I realize that there are people who are simply reflexively conditioned to troll any idea that isn't their own without any conscious though required. One does not expect poetry from an insect.

No one is gonna remove your 200k EHP freighter, you will just have to put some reinforced bulkheds on it to get that