Yeah it's kind of weird eh, a ship which has a dedicated role. I mean it's not like it's clear my drake is a combat ship and not hauler. Or that my hulk is a mining ship and not supposed to be used to probe down DED sites. Etc. It has always been clear what ships should be used for and just like with other ships that doesn't mean you can't use it for something else if you truly want to.

Hello,

It seems CCP on a large part no longer add sandbox. They make a Mining Frigate. And make it exactly clear what to use it for. They make salvaging drones and making it excactly clear what they are suppose to be used for. Freighters dont have even fitting options.

They have to stay true to the sandbox element else they will be loosing players faster and faster. For example instead of making a mining frigate, just make a frigate with many turret hardpoints and lots of CPU. People will figure out its the best for mining. Instead of making salvaging drones make drones that tractor wrecks to your ship. People will figure out to get a ship that fits a decent amount of salvagers. And there are also plenty of other uses for this tractor drone. Freighters should have fitting flots. Atm. they just gave them plenty of HP, made them slow, and gave them lots of cargo space. It has to be up to players to experiement with fits and make the freighter they want. A slow but tanky one, or a fast but more more easier to gank one etc. Its all about the sandbox element, leaving choice up to the player. Experimenting is part of the game.

The sandbox is a lie.

At least having slots would give them the choice, then judge them and mock them in local or GD because they're still stupid it's another thread.

Whatever, this thread is a full troll from the beginning anyway.

The sandbox is cake?

The fact you think freighters should not have fitting slots is more a sign on your lack of imagination and constructive thought than anything else. Im sorry but thats the way i see it. When i try to understand your position you back out. Im sorry but im done talking with you

When freighters run into problems (gankers, bumping, whatever) they have no options on how to deal with it. They can't decide to trade cargo for tank or vice versa. Yet they get blamed when "foolish behavior" gets them killed? How does one blame someone else for something they have no say in? So yes, freighters need fittings, just like everything else. It's overdue. Some may say that freighters are working fine. Really?

Have you asked the freighter captains that, or are we just asking the people who prey on them? I'll go with what the freighter captains have to say first, thank you.

People who want freighters to have fitting slots are the ones with no imagination. People start suicide ganking freighters & instead of using your imagination to adapt, you want CCP to buff them.

As someone who is neither a freighter pilot nor a ganker I must ask, what creative options for freighters are there? We have the act of carrying less in your hold of course, and instawarp BM's for undocks, but I'm not aware of other options to make oneself more safe in transit.

Since when does "sandbox" imply "every ship is a Swiss army knife"?

Oh wait, we have lasers that shoot people and lasers that shoot spacerocks. That's not sandboxy enough, let's just have one type of laser that everybody can use to shoot at anything they desire. Why should we have to choose one or the other, it's a sandbox.

In-corp webbing alts
Carry less in your hold
Agility implants
Carry less in your hold
Take routes that don't go through popular ganking spots
Carry less in your hold
Form a fleet to defend your freighter against attack
Carry less in your hold

How about trying out the 'mulitplayer' part of MMO. You're suppost to work together with other players to protect your freighter.

and of course carry less in your hold !

I suppose you are in favor of dumbing down then

Thanks, though "Carry less in your hold" didn't need repeated so much considering I had already mentioned that one.

Being against complexity for the sake of complexity does not mean you're in favor of dumbing down.

Being against worthless items that only get used for laughs, does not mean you're in favor of dumbing down.

Being against ignoring old content that is broken in favor of only something new just because it's new, does not mean you're in favor of dumbing down.

This thread is bad, and the OP should feel ashamed of itself.

Hello,

It seems CCP on a large part no longer add sandbox. They make a Mining Frigate. And make it exactly clear what to use it for. They make salvaging drones and making it excactly clear what they are suppose to be used for. Freighters dont have even fitting options.

They have to stay true to the sandbox element else they will be loosing players faster and faster. For example instead of making a mining frigate, just make a frigate with many turret hardpoints and lots of CPU. People will figure out its the best for mining. Instead of making salvaging drones make drones that tractor wrecks to your ship. People will figure out to get a ship that fits a decent amount of salvagers. And there are also plenty of other uses for this tractor drone. Freighters should have fitting flots. Atm. they just gave them plenty of HP, made them slow, and gave them lots of cargo space. It has to be up to players to experiement with fits and make the freighter they want. A slow but tanky one, or a fast but more more easier to gank one etc. Its all about the sandbox element, leaving choice up to the player. Experimenting is part of the game.

Since when does "sandbox" imply "every ship is a Swiss army knife"?

Oh wait, we have lasers that shoot people and lasers that shoot spacerocks. That's not sandboxy enough, let's just have one type of laser that everybody can use to shoot at anything they desire. Why should we have to choose one or the other, it's a sandbox.

How about trying out the 'mulitplayer' part of MMO. You're suppost to work together with other players to protect your freighter.

and of course carry less in your hold !

Are you suggesting a fittable freigther will become an all purpose vessel?

Lets try this again.

If you give the freighter slots then we will end up with a worse ship doing the same job. It will have to take cargo nerf which means I will now have to make twice as many trips as before or fit cargo expanders and carry less isk worth of stuff due to the tanking penalty of the cargo mods meaning, twice as many trips as before. There is nothing to be gained from adding slots to freighters for freighter pilots other than a nerf.

Hello,

It seems CCP on a large part no longer add sandbox. They make a Mining Frigate. And make it exactly clear what to use it for. They make salvaging drones and making it excactly clear what they are suppose to be used for. Freighters dont have even fitting options.

They have to stay true to the sandbox element else they will be loosing players faster and faster. For example instead of making a mining frigate, just make a frigate with many turret hardpoints and lots of CPU. People will figure out its the best for mining. Instead of making salvaging drones make drones that tractor wrecks to your ship. People will figure out to get a ship that fits a decent amount of salvagers. And there are also plenty of other uses for this tractor drone. Freighters should have fitting flots. Atm. they just gave them plenty of HP, made them slow, and gave them lots of cargo space. It has to be up to players to experiement with fits and make the freighter they want. A slow but tanky one, or a fast but more more easier to gank one etc. Its all about the sandbox element, leaving choice up to the player. Experimenting is part of the game.

A fact that seems to be very much overlooked in this strange discussion about the value of adding module slots to freighters is that the very fact that they do not have any forces you to think outside the box.

The fact that you cannot alter the stats of your ship means that you will need to adapt your strategy rather than your fit to meet a given situation. Yes, taking away the ability to fit your ship means that is is essentially easier to understand, but by no means does it simplify the task for which it is designed.

It is not an ideal approach for every ship, but because each freighter is so heavily specialized it works for this particular class of ship.

No :) You can fit the freighter to be exactly as it is today.