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Karrl Tian
Yarrbusters
37
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Posted - 2012.11.11 16:27:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote: Whens the last time you used a Bantam? Or other empire mining frigate? It was a few day stepping stone that you dare not look back at.
Used to can-flip in a Battle Burst, and it was amazing effective because the average EVE player makes 99% of his PvP decisions based on ship type. "Yep, just a mining frig, they can't fit warp scrams or turrets or tank, I know because I'd never put anything combat related on my ship."
Had CCP not dragged that profession out in the backyard and shot it in the head, I would have loved seeing how I could pimp the new mining frig for combat. The +2 warp strength would have been awesome for getting out of traps set by the mining corps that actually would/could defend themselves. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10294
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Posted - 2012.11.11 16:31:00 -
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Souisa wrote:To make it a more enjoyable ship, more 'sandbox', to give players choice. How does making it a less capable ship make it more enjoyable?
You already have plenty of choice.
Quote:Are you saying this is a bad thing? Yes. Making a ship worse for no reason is indeed a bad thing, and until you can explain the actual benefit of doing this (no, GÇ£more choiceGÇ¥ does not benefit the ship since you can only choose between two worse options) you have failed to present anything even remotely resembling a reason.
Quote:Faster align times, faster warp times, there should be more options for the risk takers These options already exist, and they exist without making the ship worse.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Aramatheia
European Nuthouse
57
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Posted - 2012.11.11 16:31:00 -
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Alua Oresson wrote:Souisa wrote:Hello,
It seems CCP on a large part no longer add sandbox. They make a Mining Frigate. And make it exactly clear what to use it for. They make salvaging drones and making it excactly clear what they are suppose to be used for. Freighters dont have even fitting options.
They have to stay true to the sandbox element else they will be loosing players faster and faster. For example instead of making a mining frigate, just make a frigate with many turret hardpoints and lots of CPU. People will figure out its the best for mining. Instead of making salvaging drones make drones that tractor wrecks to your ship. People will figure out to get a ship that fits a decent amount of salvagers. And there are also plenty of other uses for this tractor drone. Freighters should have fitting flots. Atm. they just gave them plenty of HP, made them slow, and gave them lots of cargo space. It has to be up to players to experiement with fits and make the freighter they want. A slow but tanky one, or a fast but more more easier to gank one etc. Its all about the sandbox element, leaving choice up to the player. Experimenting is part of the game. CCP adds new ships and modules to give more options for people to utilize. Idiot complains that they are taking away the sandbox aspect. Newsflash buddy, noone says you can't fit blasters to the mining frigate and surprise the hell out of someone.
or fit a rokh with 8 miner II's
i agree plenty of options for free choice and doing whatever already but i welcome more hulls and more options on top of the metric ton of existing choices |
Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
10684
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Posted - 2012.11.11 16:32:00 -
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Souisa wrote:Faster align times, faster warp times, there should be more options for the risk takers Faster align times can be gained from being with corp mates in gangs.
Fitting options for faster warp speeds, means allowing rigs which would break balance. (Other options exist already for this without rig slots)
CCP Zulu.....
Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Souisa
WESCORP 2.0
30
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Posted - 2012.11.11 16:57:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Souisa wrote:Faster align times, faster warp times, there should be more options for the risk takers Faster align times can be gained from being with corp mates in gangs. Fitting options for faster warp speeds, means allowing rigs which would break balance. (Other options exist already for this without rig slots)
Sometimes freighters fly empty and they dont need 200k EHP or a gang or alt to baby sit them |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10294
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Posted - 2012.11.11 17:10:00 -
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Souisa wrote:Sometimes freighters fly empty and they dont need 200k EHP or a gang or alt to baby sit them GǪnor do they need faster align times or warp speeds at that point. And anyway, if you need those faster speeds, there are a numerous options available.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
baltec1
Bat Country
2776
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Posted - 2012.11.11 17:56:00 -
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Souisa wrote:
Sometimes freighters fly empty and they dont need 200k EHP or a gang or alt to baby sit them
So fly one of the other haulers? |
Souisa
WESCORP 2.0
30
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Posted - 2012.11.11 18:01:00 -
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What? :) |
baltec1
Bat Country
2776
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Posted - 2012.11.11 18:07:00 -
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There are 29 ships that are classed as haulers in EVE each with their own roles and abilities. We have plenty of choice. |
Silver Plated
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.11.11 18:18:00 -
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Freighters are fine.
Ships with predefined roles are fine. If Eve is a sandbox then ships are just digging instruments. The more options we have the more shapes we can build.
If ships having defined roles are dumbing down the game then I guess CCP could make it so that each race only has one ship with infinite fitting options. That would be interesting, right? I mean. The same ship everywhere all the time flown by everyone!
I think I made myself vomit with my own sarcasm. |
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Souisa
WESCORP 2.0
31
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Posted - 2012.11.11 18:52:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:There are 29 ships that are classed as haulers in EVE each with their own roles and abilities. We have plenty of choice.
Yet some of them have fitting slots. Why is this? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10294
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Posted - 2012.11.11 19:00:00 -
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Souisa wrote:Yet some of them have fitting slots. Why is this? Because they are not specialised to push a specific task as far as it will go.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Hauling Hal
The Black Ops
Black Core Alliance
96
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Posted - 2012.11.11 19:02:00 -
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Souisa wrote:Hello,
It seems CCP on a large part no longer add sandbox. They make a Mining Frigate. And make it exactly clear what to use it for. They make salvaging drones and making it excactly clear what they are suppose to be used for. Freighters dont have even fitting options.
They have to stay true to the sandbox element else they will be loosing players faster and faster. For example instead of making a mining frigate, just make a frigate with many turret hardpoints and lots of CPU. People will figure out its the best for mining. Instead of making salvaging drones make drones that tractor wrecks to your ship. People will figure out to get a ship that fits a decent amount of salvagers. And there are also plenty of other uses for this tractor drone. Freighters should have fitting flots. Atm. they just gave them plenty of HP, made them slow, and gave them lots of cargo space. It has to be up to players to experiement with fits and make the freighter they want. A slow but tanky one, or a fast but more more easier to gank one etc. Its all about the sandbox element, leaving choice up to the player. Experimenting is part of the game.
Go play Minecraft. |
Souisa
WESCORP 2.0
31
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Posted - 2012.11.11 19:06:00 -
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Why? :) |
baltec1
Bat Country
2778
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Posted - 2012.11.11 19:09:00 -
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Now you are just being stupid. |
Souisa
WESCORP 2.0
31
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Posted - 2012.11.11 19:10:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Now you are just being stupid.
How so. |
Mars Theran
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
393
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Posted - 2012.11.11 19:18:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:Yeah... other than every ship that always had specific weapon bonuses or abilities like mining yield... And only ever used some ships *cough* empire mining frigs for the first week of play than never used them again.
Now we have a miner frig thats awesome for rookies, and awesome later yet again for advanced players for gas mining. It always has a use. Whens the last time you used a Bantam? Or other empire mining frigate? It was a few day stepping stone that you dare not look back at.
I understand people use Bantams for cyno lighting. 
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1044
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Posted - 2012.11.11 19:25:00 -
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I've removed some off topic posts. Please keep it constructive and on topic. Thank you.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Commander
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department |
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Mars Theran
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
393
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Posted - 2012.11.11 19:33:00 -
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Silver Plated wrote:Freighters are fine.
Ships with predefined roles are fine. If Eve is a sandbox then ships are just digging instruments. The more options we have the more shapes we can build.
If ships having defined roles are dumbing down the game then I guess CCP could make it so that each race only has one ship with infinite fitting options. That would be interesting, right? I mean. The same ship everywhere all the time flown by everyone!
I think I made myself vomit with my own sarcasm.
Freighters are fine, but they are also boring. Mind you, they have been that way for a long time, so I can't see why they would be in the OP.
I'm just thinking that their introduction came well before any relevant changes that might indicate to someone the CCP was no longer adding sand.
Anyway, EVE as a whole represents the sandbox, not one or two distinct elements that may or may not be configurable. The sandbox isn't what you do with one object, but rather, what you do with your game time. Having configurable elements is great, but that is a small part of the whole experience.
How many things can you do in EVE? Pirate, Rat, Small gang PvP, Fleet PvP, Trade, Manufacture, Mine, Explore(Limited PvE like Missions yes), Ninja salvage, Mercenary work, etc... Basically, anything you want to within the scope of the game.
So you can't actually design your own ships; I guess that's the Dev Sandbox, though they have extended it out at least once. Would be rather difficult to implement anyway, game mechanics being what they are. Aside from stuff like that, it is pretty much wide open though.
That's the 'sandbox.'
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Speaker4 theDead
Furian Necromongers
14
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Posted - 2012.11.11 19:39:00 -
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Sooner or later, you get enough crap in the sand...and it turns to cement......
This is the future of all sandboxes...
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MinefieldS
1 Sick Duck Standss on something
171
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Posted - 2012.11.11 19:41:00 -
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I want cats added to the sandbox so the miners will have to mine their by-products. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2744
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Posted - 2012.11.11 19:41:00 -
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This is a really poor troll thread, just thought I'd waste time by pointing that out.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Speaker4 theDead
Furian Necromongers
14
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Posted - 2012.11.11 19:45:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:This is a really poor troll thread, just thought I'd waste time by pointing that out.
Brown-nosing for an ISD slot?
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Esruc 'Sadim
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.11.11 19:53:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:Yeah... other than every ship that always had specific weapon bonuses or abilities like mining yield... And only ever used some ships *cough* empire mining frigs for the first week of play than never used them again.
Now we have a miner frig thats awesome for rookies, and awesome later yet again for advanced players for gas mining. It always has a use. Whens the last time you used a Bantam? Or other empire mining frigate? It was a few day stepping stone that you dare not look back at.
Actually...I like to use a cloaky navitas for swift ammo transport through null. Its holds a lot and doesn't take long to align when fitted for it. When the +warp strength ore frig comes out I'll start using that for the same thing.
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Mr Pragmatic
61
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Posted - 2012.11.11 19:58:00 -
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I think OP has a disdain for the growing carebear threat. Thus the attitude of "Dumbing down" eve.
Maybe this world is another planet's hell. -Aldous Huxley
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Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
181
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Posted - 2012.11.11 20:45:00 -
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Let's be realistic - give players options, place them in an open environment, and most will not adapt to avoid conflict.
Hulks can be built for cargo or can be (somewhat) tanked to survive. Hulkaggeddon rages, Goons go on a tear, and most miners cry to CCP instead of altering their style.
If freighters got altered to allow modules, then how many players will build for survival over more cargo hold?
History is littered with players not adapting. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1902
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Posted - 2012.11.11 20:50:00 -
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You know it's a slow day in the forum when a bad troll pulls the ganker, the straw man and the egoist into his web.
A solid 8/10 from me.
Mr Epeen 
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
baltec1
Bat Country
2779
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Posted - 2012.11.11 21:04:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:You know it's a slow day in the forum when a bad troll pulls the ganker, the straw man and the egoist into his web. A solid 8/10 from me. Mr Epeen
As you said, its a slow day. Right now I am watching Shadow... |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
909
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Posted - 2012.11.12 12:58:00 -
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Guttripper wrote:If freighters got altered to allow modules, then how many players will build for survival over more cargo hold?
History is littered with players not adapting.
At least having slots would give them the choice, then judge them and mock them in local of GD because they're still stupid it's another thread.
Whatever, this thread is a full troll from the beginning anyway.
brb |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
909
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Posted - 2012.11.12 12:59:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:You know it's a slow day in the forum when a bad troll pulls the ganker, the straw man and the egoist into his web. A solid 8/10 from me. Mr Epeen As you said, its a slow day. Right now I am watching Shadow...
I liked the blonde even if could have chosen a better looking one like Mrs Punkuris. [fagg+¦t: ON]
brb |
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