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Baconjoe
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Posted - 2005.04.15 12:50:00 -
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I will keep this simple. I think every serious corp(probably on pvp ones will do this) should sign a declaration, if their pilot logs off in combat(with proof provided) they should be expelled from the corp.
Just wondering which corps out there would sign or support such an idea?
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thebold
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Posted - 2005.04.15 12:52:00 -
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if a mass member did it i would have scrambled egg's on corpse.
thats my standing on logging.
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Wuubaa
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Posted - 2005.04.15 12:53:00 -
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I have to log off seeing my ship die makes me cry 
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Baconjoe
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Posted - 2005.04.15 12:54:00 -
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Edited by: Baconjoe on 15/04/2005 12:55:53
/bows. I know mass are honourable in such ways
Edit well why not get ceos to come on here and just sign......perhaps we may have a sticky and people can look at the list and have somewhere to take their complaints.
Bugger CCP. It is our game and we should be able to stop this for the most part. It is not just the carebears who log(but on the most part .......yes)
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Koval
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Posted - 2005.04.15 12:54:00 -
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im curious why this bug was not fixed yet, logging off is the most lame thing ever, to be honest if someone is ready for that it's nearly impossible to kill him if he's tanked enough.
i still got barf[bnc] frapsed somewhere 
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siim
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Posted - 2005.04.15 13:13:00 -
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Xetic scorp logged on us few hours back and did the 'quick disappearing' trick cough*exploit*cough
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Araviel
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Posted - 2005.04.15 13:17:00 -
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Edited by: Araviel on 15/04/2005 13:18:34
signed! if a pilot under my command ever loggs in combat he is out,
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.04.15 13:18:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 15/04/2005 13:17:59
No one in my corp, or the entire MC that I know of, has ever intentionally logged off (in combat). Give me proof of one of mine doing it and I won't boot him - I'll spend every moment he logs in podding him until he manages to get out my corp on his own. 
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darth solo
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Posted - 2005.04.15 13:28:00 -
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iv always said that just because players can, doesnt mean they should.. but the usual reply was "if u can do it, why not?"...
logging of in space will be very hard to fix, as ppl CTD, keep ur ship there for too long, and u will pee ppl off.. ppl will lose ships because of game instability.
but i agree, logging in combat is lame.
d solo.
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Ghost Red
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Posted - 2005.04.15 13:34:00 -
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Lets face it, if you are scared of losing your ship to the extent of logging off in a fight, what the hell are you doing PvP-ing in the first place?
PvPing means losing ships. Everyone does, it happens. Yeah, you may lose your ship, but its better than losing face by being tagged as a logger.
I think naming and shaming is the way to go in Eve. Respect in this game is everything.
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heavyg
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Posted - 2005.04.15 13:41:00 -
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If any one sees a C6 pilot log in a fight, let me know and the retribution will be swift and severe.
Also goes for FIX pilots too, we take a VERY dim view of such tactics.
HG
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2005.04.15 13:43:00 -
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one of the battles in syndicate we lost 60+ of a 80+ fleet to ctd's.. ofc situations like fleet battles increase the likelihood of crashing.. but it does happens anyway.. and no amount print screens or fraps can prove if a player deliberately crashed or it was a genuine accident.. and nor can any amount of smack in local or the forums
--thoth
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DoctorGonzo
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Posted - 2005.04.15 13:45:00 -
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BNC would obviously sign up to such an agreement.
We also take a very dim view on this. It's basically cheating through the game mechanics, which we will not tolerate in BNC. I would hazard a guess you'll get a very similar reply from the RKK and RN guys too.
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Deepeh
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Posted - 2005.04.15 13:56:00 -
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Logging is awful, and I think most corporations do not condone it (or at least say they don't ;)).
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Schani Kratnorr
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Posted - 2005.04.15 14:01:00 -
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The problem from a technical standpoint a I see it is this:
It is impossible (even for CCP) to determine if a player logged of intentionally or not.
Your idea, while clever, is not going to work, simply because there will allways be someone out there that just doesnt care about being labelled a Log-off'erÖ
CCP needs to make sure that ships stay in space for X-minutes after client disconnect. And if the player logs back in, he just appears in his ship where it was when he logged off.
Simply NEVER move a ship unless the player himself does it.
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Estios
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Posted - 2005.04.15 14:06:00 -
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Edited by: Estios on 15/04/2005 14:14:06
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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Koval
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Posted - 2005.04.15 14:06:00 -
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 Originally by: Schani Kratnorr
The problem from a technical standpoint a I see it is this:
It is impossible (even for CCP) to determine if a player logged of intentionally or not.
simple logging off is not a problem (what takes around one or two minutes for ship to disappear), the problem is an exploit making your ship disappear after 15-20 seconds
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Saladin
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Posted - 2005.04.15 14:20:00 -
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This is all fine and well. But there are those of us out there who are using substandard cards because ATI makes cards that die as soon as the warantee is up. I crash at least 5-6 times a day. |
PhasmaNL
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Posted - 2005.04.15 14:21:00 -
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Quote:
Just wondering which corps out there would sign or support such an idea?
Arcane Industries would sign or support.
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FIX Diplomat, FIX Councillor & Arcane Industries [ARIN] CEO
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2005.04.15 14:23:00 -
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The last peep that did this in RKK was "instructed" to go and die to the enemy he logged off to... which he did.
If I was around and this happened again, I would ask our directors to put a similar instruction to anyone found to do this in RKK.
I'd be pretty surprised if someone did do this in RKK though, we've lost enough ships to ignore the whole "omgi'mdead" syndrome.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
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Destable
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Posted - 2005.04.15 14:35:00 -
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I'd probobly be likely to implement a "punishment" similar to the one DB just mentioned. If a member logged to avoid a kill then he should have been killed and that should be made right.
The proof part would be the deal breaker.
Obviously we all drop connection all the time in large fleet ops, but I have only lost connection once in a manner that might have looked like I logged off to avoid a gate camp.
But, I really DID lose my internet connection that one time. I even came back hours later to a nasty mail from the pirate about logging off.
How do you separate those out, or do you risk kicking out a fantastic member due to an unfortunatly timed electrial storm in order to make sure you also get the guilty ones?
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Nez Perces
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Posted - 2005.04.15 14:46:00 -
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The timing of this thread is interesting........
At FIX we have just had a thread running for quite a few days calling all FIX members to stamp out this disdainful tactic, after one of our pilots was found to have been guilty of such behaviour. Allow me to post some quotes the thread produced. The authors shall remain anonymous ofc......
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If I hear of people loging off to save their ships in combat, I will come and camp you untill you log on an kill you myself, is that clear?
If you are too blind to notice when an enemy has entered local, you deserve to loose your ship. I have 0 tolerance for peope acting like cowards and I don¦t care if it is an enemy or a member of FIX. Grow some balls, or find a new home.
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If your ship is going down bite the bullet and die like a trooper.....
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The is no honour standing on a battlefield, and seeing the white in the eye's of your nme and turning tail. Honour comes from courage, and courage comes from standing your ground.
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Do i even need to respond to this treath... hmmmmm mad... ******* ****, If u are here u fight unitll u die!!!!!
I quote these posts here not to 'show off' etc... but to illustrate FIX's stance on 'logging off' to save ones ship.
Regards.
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Baconjoe
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Posted - 2005.04.15 14:53:00 -
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Good to see everyones support here. This is a huge problem in the eve community and the thing that ****es me off most is that good pvp'er leave the game because of it.
I myself am getting bored of it. ffs with the amount of stabs they carry is it necessary to log lol
Its just another nail in the pvp(piracy) coffin.
But like the above said respect is everythign in this game no matter your proffesion
We are cursed men
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ElmWood
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Posted - 2005.04.15 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ghost Red
Lets face it, if you are scared of losing your ship to the extent of logging off in a fight, what the hell are you doing PvP-ing in the first place?
I Agree with Ghost Red.
What I think CCP should do is to let the ships warp away and then stay in space even if you log off. The ship (and you in it) could be found with probes and stuff, with the possibility of you finding yourself in a fresh clone next time you log on.
And what are the odds for being disconnected when you are not PvPing and at the same time a squad of ships entering the system in order to probe floating ships?
And if that should happen....well, it¦s only a game and s-h-i-t happens.
Summmary: Stations should be the only real safespots.
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Valentine Keen
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Posted - 2005.04.15 15:26:00 -
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I'm a little surprised it's an issue for you.
There didn't seem to me to be a whole lot of pvp involved in your 2 torp spamming ships splattering my slasher frigate and pod all around Amamake when I blundered in there by accident. 
I'm not saying logging is good, but maybe if combat wasn't always about ganking someone so hard in so short a time, they might try other options, such as trying to escape or fight it out. Just an alternate view anyway.
Also, on a personal note, it didn't seem a whole lot like piracy either, I mean no ransom, no convo, not even a word, just a volley of torps and it was all over - no loot, no isk, nothing. I might have paid a reasonable sum to save my implants, but I wasn't given that choice.
Little wonder pvpers leave if that's all there is to it. Hardly a thrilling adrenalin rush to use 140m worth of battleships to kill a 20k frigate.
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2005.04.15 15:28:00 -
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Frick would never log off during combat, nor would any MC member. They would go so rediculed by me and prolly the rest of the MC if they didnt get expelled.
I think the main problem is, it aint the PVPers that usually log during combat (thou some FoE pilots did during our contract) its the non combat pilots that do it. How do u convince them that logging is bad? Most people who do it know its a lame and cowardly thing to do but still do it anyway
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Gift
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Posted - 2005.04.15 15:30:00 -
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LOOT would sign
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TIvian
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Posted - 2005.04.15 15:35:00 -
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Black Omega Security would sign.
None of us log intentionaly. If we go down we go swinging.
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.04.15 16:00:00 -
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The problem isn't with pvp corps, its with carebears, none of which post in this forum, so hence none will sign this, or agree to it.
Hell if you look at the other threads on this issue there are carebears actually saying "its a valid tactic."
So while this is a good thread, it will come to nothing, as most pvp corps/alliances on the whole already have enough honor to not do the whole log off thing.
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Baconjoe
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Posted - 2005.04.15 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Valentine Keen
I'm a little surprised it's an issue for you.
There didn't seem to me to be a whole lot of pvp involved in your 2 torp spamming ships splattering my slasher frigate and pod all around Amamake when I blundered in there by accident.
I'm not saying logging is good, but maybe if combat wasn't always about ganking someone so hard in so short a time, they might try other options, such as trying to escape or fight it out. Just an alternate view anyway.
Also, on a personal note, it didn't seem a whole lot like piracy either, I mean no ransom, no convo, not even a word, just a volley of torps and it was all over - no loot, no isk, nothing. I might have paid a reasonable sum to save my implants, but I wasn't given that choice.
Little wonder pvpers leave if that's all there is to it. Hardly a thrilling adrenalin rush to use 140m worth of battleships to kill a 20k frigate.
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You are correct in what you are saying here. There was not alot of pirating here. But what you need to examine is the reason I was there. Their is little to none piracy left in eve do to the changes ccp have made.
So what else is a pirate supposed to do to make isk while ONLY 'pirating'?
Trust me if there had been time ie in 0.0 you would have been ransomed.
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