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Baconjoe
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Posted - 2005.04.15 12:50:00 -
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I will keep this simple. I think every serious corp(probably on pvp ones will do this) should sign a declaration, if their pilot logs off in combat(with proof provided) they should be expelled from the corp.
Just wondering which corps out there would sign or support such an idea?
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thebold
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Posted - 2005.04.15 12:52:00 -
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if a mass member did it i would have scrambled egg's on corpse.
thats my standing on logging.
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Wuubaa
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Posted - 2005.04.15 12:53:00 -
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I have to log off seeing my ship die makes me cry 
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Baconjoe
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Posted - 2005.04.15 12:54:00 -
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Edited by: Baconjoe on 15/04/2005 12:55:53
/bows. I know mass are honourable in such ways
Edit well why not get ceos to come on here and just sign......perhaps we may have a sticky and people can look at the list and have somewhere to take their complaints.
Bugger CCP. It is our game and we should be able to stop this for the most part. It is not just the carebears who log(but on the most part .......yes)
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Koval
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Posted - 2005.04.15 12:54:00 -
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im curious why this bug was not fixed yet, logging off is the most lame thing ever, to be honest if someone is ready for that it's nearly impossible to kill him if he's tanked enough.
i still got barf[bnc] frapsed somewhere 
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siim
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Posted - 2005.04.15 13:13:00 -
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Xetic scorp logged on us few hours back and did the 'quick disappearing' trick cough*exploit*cough
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Araviel
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Posted - 2005.04.15 13:17:00 -
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Edited by: Araviel on 15/04/2005 13:18:34
signed! if a pilot under my command ever loggs in combat he is out,
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.04.15 13:18:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 15/04/2005 13:17:59
No one in my corp, or the entire MC that I know of, has ever intentionally logged off (in combat). Give me proof of one of mine doing it and I won't boot him - I'll spend every moment he logs in podding him until he manages to get out my corp on his own. 
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darth solo
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Posted - 2005.04.15 13:28:00 -
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iv always said that just because players can, doesnt mean they should.. but the usual reply was "if u can do it, why not?"...
logging of in space will be very hard to fix, as ppl CTD, keep ur ship there for too long, and u will pee ppl off.. ppl will lose ships because of game instability.
but i agree, logging in combat is lame.
d solo.
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Ghost Red
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Posted - 2005.04.15 13:34:00 -
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Lets face it, if you are scared of losing your ship to the extent of logging off in a fight, what the hell are you doing PvP-ing in the first place?
PvPing means losing ships. Everyone does, it happens. Yeah, you may lose your ship, but its better than losing face by being tagged as a logger.
I think naming and shaming is the way to go in Eve. Respect in this game is everything.
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heavyg
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Posted - 2005.04.15 13:41:00 -
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If any one sees a C6 pilot log in a fight, let me know and the retribution will be swift and severe.
Also goes for FIX pilots too, we take a VERY dim view of such tactics.
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2005.04.15 13:43:00 -
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one of the battles in syndicate we lost 60+ of a 80+ fleet to ctd's.. ofc situations like fleet battles increase the likelihood of crashing.. but it does happens anyway.. and no amount print screens or fraps can prove if a player deliberately crashed or it was a genuine accident.. and nor can any amount of smack in local or the forums
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DoctorGonzo
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Posted - 2005.04.15 13:45:00 -
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BNC would obviously sign up to such an agreement.
We also take a very dim view on this. It's basically cheating through the game mechanics, which we will not tolerate in BNC. I would hazard a guess you'll get a very similar reply from the RKK and RN guys too.
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Deepeh
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Posted - 2005.04.15 13:56:00 -
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Logging is awful, and I think most corporations do not condone it (or at least say they don't ;)).
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Schani Kratnorr
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Posted - 2005.04.15 14:01:00 -
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The problem from a technical standpoint a I see it is this:
It is impossible (even for CCP) to determine if a player logged of intentionally or not.
Your idea, while clever, is not going to work, simply because there will allways be someone out there that just doesnt care about being labelled a Log-off'erÖ
CCP needs to make sure that ships stay in space for X-minutes after client disconnect. And if the player logs back in, he just appears in his ship where it was when he logged off.
Simply NEVER move a ship unless the player himself does it.
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Estios
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Posted - 2005.04.15 14:06:00 -
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Edited by: Estios on 15/04/2005 14:14:06
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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Koval
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Posted - 2005.04.15 14:06:00 -
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 Originally by: Schani Kratnorr
The problem from a technical standpoint a I see it is this:
It is impossible (even for CCP) to determine if a player logged of intentionally or not.
simple logging off is not a problem (what takes around one or two minutes for ship to disappear), the problem is an exploit making your ship disappear after 15-20 seconds
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Saladin
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Posted - 2005.04.15 14:20:00 -
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This is all fine and well. But there are those of us out there who are using substandard cards because ATI makes cards that die as soon as the warantee is up. I crash at least 5-6 times a day. |
PhasmaNL
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Posted - 2005.04.15 14:21:00 -
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Just wondering which corps out there would sign or support such an idea?
Arcane Industries would sign or support.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2005.04.15 14:23:00 -
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The last peep that did this in RKK was "instructed" to go and die to the enemy he logged off to... which he did.
If I was around and this happened again, I would ask our directors to put a similar instruction to anyone found to do this in RKK.
I'd be pretty surprised if someone did do this in RKK though, we've lost enough ships to ignore the whole "omgi'mdead" syndrome.
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Destable
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Posted - 2005.04.15 14:35:00 -
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I'd probobly be likely to implement a "punishment" similar to the one DB just mentioned. If a member logged to avoid a kill then he should have been killed and that should be made right.
The proof part would be the deal breaker.
Obviously we all drop connection all the time in large fleet ops, but I have only lost connection once in a manner that might have looked like I logged off to avoid a gate camp.
But, I really DID lose my internet connection that one time. I even came back hours later to a nasty mail from the pirate about logging off.
How do you separate those out, or do you risk kicking out a fantastic member due to an unfortunatly timed electrial storm in order to make sure you also get the guilty ones?
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Nez Perces
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Posted - 2005.04.15 14:46:00 -
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The timing of this thread is interesting........
At FIX we have just had a thread running for quite a few days calling all FIX members to stamp out this disdainful tactic, after one of our pilots was found to have been guilty of such behaviour. Allow me to post some quotes the thread produced. The authors shall remain anonymous ofc......
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If I hear of people loging off to save their ships in combat, I will come and camp you untill you log on an kill you myself, is that clear?
If you are too blind to notice when an enemy has entered local, you deserve to loose your ship. I have 0 tolerance for peope acting like cowards and I don¦t care if it is an enemy or a member of FIX. Grow some balls, or find a new home.
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The is no honour standing on a battlefield, and seeing the white in the eye's of your nme and turning tail. Honour comes from courage, and courage comes from standing your ground.
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Do i even need to respond to this treath... hmmmmm mad... ******* ****, If u are here u fight unitll u die!!!!!
I quote these posts here not to 'show off' etc... but to illustrate FIX's stance on 'logging off' to save ones ship.
Regards.
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Baconjoe
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Posted - 2005.04.15 14:53:00 -
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Good to see everyones support here. This is a huge problem in the eve community and the thing that ****es me off most is that good pvp'er leave the game because of it.
I myself am getting bored of it. ffs with the amount of stabs they carry is it necessary to log lol
Its just another nail in the pvp(piracy) coffin.
But like the above said respect is everythign in this game no matter your proffesion
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ElmWood
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Posted - 2005.04.15 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ghost Red
Lets face it, if you are scared of losing your ship to the extent of logging off in a fight, what the hell are you doing PvP-ing in the first place?
I Agree with Ghost Red.
What I think CCP should do is to let the ships warp away and then stay in space even if you log off. The ship (and you in it) could be found with probes and stuff, with the possibility of you finding yourself in a fresh clone next time you log on.
And what are the odds for being disconnected when you are not PvPing and at the same time a squad of ships entering the system in order to probe floating ships?
And if that should happen....well, it¦s only a game and s-h-i-t happens.
Summmary: Stations should be the only real safespots.
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Valentine Keen
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Posted - 2005.04.15 15:26:00 -
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I'm a little surprised it's an issue for you.
There didn't seem to me to be a whole lot of pvp involved in your 2 torp spamming ships splattering my slasher frigate and pod all around Amamake when I blundered in there by accident. 
I'm not saying logging is good, but maybe if combat wasn't always about ganking someone so hard in so short a time, they might try other options, such as trying to escape or fight it out. Just an alternate view anyway.
Also, on a personal note, it didn't seem a whole lot like piracy either, I mean no ransom, no convo, not even a word, just a volley of torps and it was all over - no loot, no isk, nothing. I might have paid a reasonable sum to save my implants, but I wasn't given that choice.
Little wonder pvpers leave if that's all there is to it. Hardly a thrilling adrenalin rush to use 140m worth of battleships to kill a 20k frigate.
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2005.04.15 15:28:00 -
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Frick would never log off during combat, nor would any MC member. They would go so rediculed by me and prolly the rest of the MC if they didnt get expelled.
I think the main problem is, it aint the PVPers that usually log during combat (thou some FoE pilots did during our contract) its the non combat pilots that do it. How do u convince them that logging is bad? Most people who do it know its a lame and cowardly thing to do but still do it anyway
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Gift
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Posted - 2005.04.15 15:30:00 -
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LOOT would sign
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TIvian
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Posted - 2005.04.15 15:35:00 -
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Black Omega Security would sign.
None of us log intentionaly. If we go down we go swinging.
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.04.15 16:00:00 -
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The problem isn't with pvp corps, its with carebears, none of which post in this forum, so hence none will sign this, or agree to it.
Hell if you look at the other threads on this issue there are carebears actually saying "its a valid tactic."
So while this is a good thread, it will come to nothing, as most pvp corps/alliances on the whole already have enough honor to not do the whole log off thing.
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Baconjoe
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Posted - 2005.04.15 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Valentine Keen
I'm a little surprised it's an issue for you.
There didn't seem to me to be a whole lot of pvp involved in your 2 torp spamming ships splattering my slasher frigate and pod all around Amamake when I blundered in there by accident.
I'm not saying logging is good, but maybe if combat wasn't always about ganking someone so hard in so short a time, they might try other options, such as trying to escape or fight it out. Just an alternate view anyway.
Also, on a personal note, it didn't seem a whole lot like piracy either, I mean no ransom, no convo, not even a word, just a volley of torps and it was all over - no loot, no isk, nothing. I might have paid a reasonable sum to save my implants, but I wasn't given that choice.
Little wonder pvpers leave if that's all there is to it. Hardly a thrilling adrenalin rush to use 140m worth of battleships to kill a 20k frigate.
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You are correct in what you are saying here. There was not alot of pirating here. But what you need to examine is the reason I was there. Their is little to none piracy left in eve do to the changes ccp have made.
So what else is a pirate supposed to do to make isk while ONLY 'pirating'?
Trust me if there had been time ie in 0.0 you would have been ransomed.
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Hue Jorgon
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Posted - 2005.04.15 16:44:00 -
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Edited by: Hue Jorgon on 15/04/2005 16:45:28
Logging to save yourself has long been a fround upon reaction in ATUK. Of course you can never really tell if it was a logoff or a crash unfortunately.
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insuperable
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Posted - 2005.04.15 16:49:00 -
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If anyone logs off in my corp to save their ship then ill most likely pod them or enforce some sort of punishment.
I dont even like logging off because your outnumbered in local. I prefer to get our gang out even if theres a high chance of losing pilots.
Interesting...
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2005.04.15 17:07:00 -
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I've crashed during combat. I died anyway. Simple as this: If your ship is scrambled it should not disappear or warp away, log off or CTD. If you're not tackled then your ship should warp away normally, taking mass and agility into account. I don't care if someone warps in a huge blob and instantly logs off, as long as their ship takes the same ammount of time to warp away as it would if they did it themselves I'm happy.
What I don't like is the timer system because someone can get away with making mistakes just by having a good tank. "I have an Apoc so I can log off!" Not ok. If you make a mistake in Eve you should pay for it like non-logging, non-CTDing citizens have to.
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Mortus Harbinger
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Posted - 2005.04.15 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: DrunkenOne
The problem isn't with pvp corps, its with carebears, none of which post in this forum, so hence none will sign this, or agree to it.
Hell if you look at the other threads on this issue there are carebears actually saying "its a valid tactic."
So while this is a good thread, it will come to nothing, as most pvp corps/alliances on the whole already have enough honor to not do the whole log off thing.
If what you say is correct, then you have found the solution. Stop chasing carebears around and go fight some *real* PVPers. You said yourself .. PvPers have way too much honour to use this cowardly tactic, so from your own analysis, if PvPers have the balls to fight other PvPers instead of chasing after haulers and shuttles, then there simply isn't a problem ... well .. other than the fact that the majority of PvPers seem to get a thrill from ganking someone who had no interest and no skills to fight them in the first place 
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Rivek
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Posted - 2005.04.15 17:10:00 -
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While I think most would agree logging in combat is lame, it is the logging then exploiting to make your ship disapear in mere seconds that I think should be punished and corrected by ccp. Simply logging and waiting for 2 mintues for your ship to disapear, hopping that it survives isnt in the same league of lameness.
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Verone
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Posted - 2005.04.15 17:11:00 -
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[SNIGG] does not condone logging off in combat, or killing after sucessful ransom. Members who do so face permanent removal from the corp upon confirmations of their actions.
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Sky Hunter
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Posted - 2005.04.15 17:14:00 -
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id advice a simple solution.
If you log and ship not being shot then he warps to random point. If you log and ship receiving damage in the moment of log action, then its stays right there. Not counting NPC dmg tho. Sometime people get bad drops when too much NPC on you, due to lag.
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Ivilb Itch
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Posted - 2005.04.15 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Baconjoe
Just wondering which corps out there would sign or support such an idea?
Every corp and alliance with an inflated ego would.
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Posted - 2005.04.15 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Ghost Red
Lets face it, if you are scared of losing your ship to the extent of logging off in a fight, what the hell are you doing PvP-ing in the first place?
PvPing means losing ships. Everyone does, it happens. Yeah, you may lose your ship, but its better than losing face by being tagged as a logger.
I think naming and shaming is the way to go in Eve. Respect in this game is everything.
The problem is that the people who usually log off weren't part of some fleet battle or may not ever want to PvP in their life. They logged because they were going to get ganked by some fleet 4-10 times the size of their solo ship. Which to them, if that's considered a fair fight, then being able to log off to avoid it should be fair too.
I don't agree with logging in a gank situation, but it's far more of a gray area than just "everyone who logs should be shamed." Most of the people you would "shame" would care less about it because they look at the people shaming them and label them as "griefers."
The problem should be fixed to allow ships to not be able to disappear if targeted, similar to cloaking measures. The pod would disappear once the ship was destroyed but that's a better system than having the ship disappear too. It protects those who honestly crashed due to lagging out or connection issues or the like. Also if they log, you get rid of most of the commonly stated reasons to pod people because they are no longer in local. The only other reason is to cause more harm to the individual, which can be termed borderline griefing seeing that no other reason for podding would exist.
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Posted - 2005.04.15 17:32:00 -
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If I find someone has pulled a log off exploit to save a ship, I will kill them. Regardless of if they are in the same corp as me. 
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Krapz
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Posted - 2005.04.15 17:40:00 -
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I don't believe any CLS member has done this intentionally. If they have, evemail me. If the member was not a part of our PvP fleet, then he'll get 1 warning. If the member is part of our fleet, or already recieved a warning, then they will get DB Preachers's method of resolution.
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2005.04.15 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: The Enslaver
If I find someone has pulled a log off exploit to save a ship, I will kill them. Regardless of if they are in the same corp as me.
/Elve
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Trooper B99
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Posted - 2005.04.15 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Nez Perces
If your ship is going down bite the bullet and die like a trooper.....
I don't die THAT often, but thanks.
j/k
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HDCamper Itsim
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Posted - 2005.04.15 20:39:00 -
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hmmm
thinking the shortened scan probe time will lead to more log offs....
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MuthaTrucka
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Posted - 2005.04.15 20:51:00 -
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Edited by: MuthaTrucka on 15/04/2005 20:54:39
Can I ask one favor........
Instead of Saying a "alliance" Member logged off in combat can we please say a "Corporation" Member logged off in Combat.
It is really semantics but I hate being put in the same category as another alliance member because he is a little Snit. I may not be a Good PVPer but if the ships going down I go down with it....
Thanks Mmm'kay
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Nyk0n
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Posted - 2005.04.15 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Rivek
While I think most would agree logging in combat is lame, it is the logging then exploiting to make your ship disapear in mere seconds that I think should be punished and corrected by ccp. Simply logging and waiting for 2 mintues for your ship to disapear, hopping that it survives isnt in the same league of lameness.
This is an old problem that seems to come and go, and is less than an exact science... Last this was being "used" i tested it, way back before emergency warp out, and succesfully shot my main with the alt i logged in to make him vanish, why/how/if/when it happens is not quite as simple as "log in ur alt".
I used to have servere ctd problems on 1 of my computers, to the point where i would use a warp bubble to prevent the warp out whilst chaining (sometimes ud warp back in funny and drop the "wrong side" of the roid;)) and have seen how in-consistant the period of time is till you vanish. Sometimes its 30 secs, sometimes its 2 mins and others its 2 mins before it even shows that player dropping from local and there "buddy lite" showing red.......
An idea to help stop it being used as a tactic, when ur client closes 4 wotever reason, ur modules deactivate. If you cant damage ennuf to kill within the time, considering base res and no rep (and that the ship does indeed stay in space 4 the correct time) then you suck anyway and dont deserve the kill;)
Question.....
If some1 did genuinly crash, would you expect them to log back imediatly, knowing that they may survive if they dont but the oponent has had 2 mins to pound them 4 free, and if they do log back in, they will be unable to stop there ship being killed because they have 20% structure left
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Mortuus
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Posted - 2005.04.15 22:18:00 -
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Saying that PvP'rs shouldn't chase carebears is stupid, if you go into low sec space you take your life in your own hands. In 0.0 if you can't defend yourself you shouldn't be there. Learn to run, learn to fight, learn to hide. But don't log.
I know that no one in OCC will log during a fight.
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Masta Killa
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Posted - 2005.04.16 05:05:00 -
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Originally by: Nyk0n
An idea to help stop it being used as a tactic, when ur client closes 4 wotever reason, ur modules deactivate. If you cant damage ennuf to kill within the time, considering base res and no rep (and that the ship does indeed stay in space 4 the correct time) then you suck anyway and dont deserve the kill;)
Best damn suggestion about fixing logout tactics I've ever heard.
There's not golden solution to it but this sure is a big step in the right direction.
And yes, if anyone in COL logs out intentionally in combat, I will have his balls in a thumbscrew for it. And if that anyone would have saved a ship with his logging, he'd lose it right there and then.
That's The Collective's policy on exploiting to save one's miserable hide.
Here's a personal query: Is it ok for people to log out when their ship is almost dead, thus saving their pod?
My victims do it literally all the time, and yet I lost a set of +3's tonight and didn't even think about logging out to save a damn thing. Just sat cloaked pondering which direction it was best to try and warp to, but the harpy loss + lag + podding was inevitable. (played while completely knackered...never even checked the map before going towards GW)
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Jaisan
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Posted - 2005.04.16 10:11:00 -
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Edited by: Jaisan on 16/04/2005 10:13:32
Awaiting the Armoured Assassins to sign.
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Crackers
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Posted - 2005.04.16 10:59:00 -
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Edited by: *****ers on 16/04/2005 10:59:30
Its a shame atuk cant sign this. Would have had alot of respect for them if they changed their ways. Think they spend more time offline than on atm :|
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John McCreedy
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Posted - 2005.04.16 11:02:00 -
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If you ever catch an EDF pilot doing this then mail me. This is a lame tatic (that I'm getting increasingly frustraited with enemys doing) and won't tollerate it in my corp.
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Mindlles
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Posted - 2005.04.16 11:13:00 -
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good post. And ihave a VERY negative stand to do that. But credit for the SHINRA guys not to come to this post and say that they hate it. becouse in my opion they are on off the bigger pvp corp thats actully have their player use that as a tactic, ffs even they use their fleets to logg of as a tactic....
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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2005.04.16 11:20:00 -
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My Corp. would sign this with immediate effect, you don't want to lose a ship don't fight!!
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Valentine Keen
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Posted - 2005.04.16 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: Baconjoe
Originally by: Valentine Keen
I'm a little surprised it's an issue for you.
There didn't seem to me to be a whole lot of pvp involved in your 2 torp spamming ships splattering my slasher frigate and pod all around Amamake when I blundered in there by accident.
I'm not saying logging is good, but maybe if combat wasn't always about ganking someone so hard in so short a time, they might try other options, such as trying to escape or fight it out. Just an alternate view anyway.
Also, on a personal note, it didn't seem a whole lot like piracy either, I mean no ransom, no convo, not even a word, just a volley of torps and it was all over - no loot, no isk, nothing. I might have paid a reasonable sum to save my implants, but I wasn't given that choice.
Little wonder pvpers leave if that's all there is to it. Hardly a thrilling adrenalin rush to use 140m worth of battleships to kill a 20k frigate.
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You are correct in what you are saying here. There was not alot of pirating here. But what you need to examine is the reason I was there. Their is little to none piracy left in eve do to the changes ccp have made.
So what else is a pirate supposed to do to make isk while ONLY 'pirating'?
Trust me if there had been time ie in 0.0 you would have been ransomed.
Strangely enough my earliest character used to spend time evading Corp 1 about a year and a half or more ago, back when everyone likes to recall piracy being possible.
All I ever saw were battleships sat at the first gate in 0.0 out from Derelik and people getting blown up trying to get through. Even then there was no piracy, just killing. No ransom, no webbing and demands, just an Apoc trying to gun down my poor Omen.
I'd like to have faith that combat changes would encourage people not to simply gank, but my experience over the last 2 years hasn't really changed as all these apparent nerfs to piracy have come in, so I'm sceptical.
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Artharas
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Posted - 2005.04.16 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: Sky Hunter
id advice a simple solution.
If you log and ship not being shot then he warps to random point. If you log and ship receiving damage in the moment of log action, then its stays right there. Not counting NPC dmg tho. Sometime people get bad drops when too much NPC on you, due to lag.
Agree there, though I think there should still be like a 5-10 min countdown of the ship disappearing when being attacked(basicly the one that can't kill the guy in 5-10 min isn't going to).
My main issue with logging isn't that much logging in combat when you are about to die. You'll in most cases die anyway, but when people disappear in 20-30 secs, that's just on bottom of the lame-metre.
And ofcourse you PvPers have to remember that if CCP would put somekinda rule on logging, it would also go for "carebears" that aren't even doing PvP, so ofcourse CCP has to think of all their costumers before implenting dramastic changes to anti-lameness.
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Leitari
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Posted - 2005.04.16 13:33:00 -
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I've petitioned this alot and according to the people in charge this is a valid tactic :( they actually dont want to fix this for some sick preverted reason. I've had sooooo many misses coz people log off on me and I hate it, this reason alone has caused me to think about quitting this game.
Now if the whole PA would sign off on this my mouth would drop to the floor lol. Probably never seen anyone log off more then them.
Self destruct your ship instead of logging off, much cooler tactic and the enemy gets a message stating that they have 2 minutes to kill you. Tried it once but missed it by 2 seconds or something poor apoc :(
probably would have made it if I'd logged off.
Here, Only the silent survive.
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TheFlamecollector
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Posted - 2005.04.16 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: Leitari
I've petitioned this alot and according to the people in charge this is a valid tactic :( they actually dont want to fix this for some sick preverted reason. I've had sooooo many misses coz people log off on me and I hate it, this reason alone has caused me to think about quitting this game.
Now if the whole PA would sign off on this my mouth would drop to the floor lol. Probably never seen anyone log off more then them.
Self destruct your ship instead of logging off, much cooler tactic and the enemy gets a message stating that they have 2 minutes to kill you. Tried it once but missed it by 2 seconds or something poor apoc :(
probably would have made it if I'd logged off.
can i have your stuff?
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Koval
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Posted - 2005.04.16 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: Leitari
Now if the whole PA would sign off on this my mouth would drop to the floor lol. Probably never seen anyone log off more then them.
where does that bitterness come from?  any examples maybe?
or is it just a flamebait? 
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zincol
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Posted - 2005.04.16 14:22:00 -
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Make cloakin devices actully needed... if u wanna log u gota cloak or ya ship will sit there
sure ppl might ctd or what eva but that'll ave 2 be part of the game...or u can make the vanish timer t3-5mins.
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Omeega
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Posted - 2005.04.16 15:29:00 -
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Edited by: Omeega on 16/04/2005 15:36:24
Edited by: Omeega on 16/04/2005 15:32:14
Originally by: Seleene
Edited by: Seleene on 15/04/2005 13:17:59
No one in my corp, or the entire MC that I know of, has ever intentionally logged off (in combat). Give me proof of one of mine doing it and I won't boot him - I'll spend every moment he logs in podding him until he manages to get out my corp on his own.
I'm sure Waagaa did it already while mining scordite with me...
/me hugs waagaaaaaa
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D Kreone
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Posted - 2005.04.16 16:18:00 -
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So, i apologize if this has been covered already, but which is worse? Logging off or Logging IN? Log in traps are just as much as exploit, and it can be devistating to a whole fleet. 
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Zdragva
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Posted - 2005.04.16 16:20:00 -
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Would it be impossible for CCP to perhaps make it so that you cant log out at all while in combat? Like you have to have nothing locked and nothing locking you, in order to be able to logout of the game.
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Koval
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Posted - 2005.04.16 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Zdragva
Would it be impossible for CCP to perhaps make it so that you cant log out at all while in combat? Like you have to have nothing locked and nothing locking you, in order to be able to logout of the game.
they just need to fix the quick disappearing bug, if ship stayed 2-3 minutes in space after pilot logs off it would be fine
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Zdragva
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Posted - 2005.04.16 16:24:00 -
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Both suck, both get used by people every day, and as long as theyre able to be used those methods will continue to be used. Not everyone who plays wishes to promote a fun and friendly, competitive yet honourable atmosphere. how many 14 year old uber l33t death pilots do you know that would stop abusing a game mechanic that helps them just because its 'bad'? And by the same token uber rich carebears logging out of a gank, cos its 'not their war to die for'
Some people just dont give a fk and want isk or kill/loss ratio before honour and respectability, infact id say that kind of mentality is the most common. Atleast thats what my experiances in Eve say.
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Shintoko Akahoshi
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Posted - 2005.04.16 17:38:00 -
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I'd like to hope that the proposed warp bubble changes (they're getting smaller, cheaper and faster to anchor) will encourage small groups of pirates, leading to more fair-ish fights between pirates and their prey. I doubt, though, that this will happen. Multi-BS gank squads will still be the order of the day.
In any case, Koval is right about the main problem being the quick-disappearing bug. If that's fixed, then there really won't be a big issue.
Oh, and back to the original topic: While Jade can't post here to sign, I'll say that if I ever caught a JF pilot logging in combat, bad things would happen.
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Tahreem
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Posted - 2005.04.17 06:19:00 -
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If i see any intentionally logging off from any of my members they are out..
(i'm not talking when RL calls or a crash)
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Kusotarre
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Posted - 2005.04.17 09:59:00 -
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Quote:
Now if the whole PA would sign off on this my mouth would drop to the floor lol. Probably never seen anyone log off more then them.
Oh.
My.
God.
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Vegeta
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Posted - 2005.04.17 10:37:00 -
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Daakkon gets off from logging _
2005.04.25 16:40:42 combat Your 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II perfectly strikes LawrenceNewton [WARAG], wrecking for 2706.9 damage.
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hitech redneck
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Posted - 2005.04.17 11:15:00 -
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Edited by: hitech redneck on 17/04/2005 11:15:27
The only issue is i can see with any of the suggestions to fix the problem is there is no way for the system to tell if it was a log off or ctd. After the last patch i have been ctd'ing to many times a night to count. I Don't want to loose a ship due to bad coding and know no one else does either.
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Kresh Vladir
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Posted - 2005.04.17 17:55:00 -
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this wont always work because sometimes when ppl ships get ganked by lots ships they ctd from the lag of there ship blowing up
but im not ceo but ill sign
Kresh Vladir
I CLAIM JITA
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scorchio
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Posted - 2005.04.18 20:34:00 -
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Edited by: scorchio on 18/04/2005 20:35:33
Originally by: Elve Sorrow
Originally by: The Enslaver
If I find someone has pulled a log off exploit to save a ship, I will kill them. Regardless of if they are in the same corp as me.
U guys might wanna put Deth Raahn in his pod then. we were chasing him around period basis and he decided to pull the log off trick while in warp to the sun after taking damage from us. i dare say a few of us await his kill mail to be posted :)
one of our guys did take a screenie of it, but unfortunately he didnt have local open at the time so its pretty inconclusive. but that is besides the point. maybe u wanna remind your corp members of your warning :)
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Zdragva
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Posted - 2005.04.19 06:47:00 -
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yes have to agree that any change in the logging mechanics would probably see the final and total death of the PA :P
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Fitz Chivalry
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Posted - 2005.04.19 12:58:00 -
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One reason I am sure people give, to themselves at least, for logging is that fights are seldom if ever fair in this game.
Of the 5 ships (4 BS and 1 BC) I have lost recently in PVP (which I am still slowly learning), only one of those has been in a fleet battle with similar numbers (and it was lag that got me I tell you, lag), the rest of the times I have been totally outnumbered and outgunned and basically didnt stand a chance.
Now I am sure that there was a part of me thinking "well, this isn't fair there are 10 of them and only 1 of me so I am going to log and the can sod off". Unfortunatley I get so caught up in trying to escape that by the time I start thinking about logging I only have 5% structure left so its too late anyway.
I do wish in this game that there were more opportunities for fair fights, i.e. equal numbers or even better one vs one combat but it all seems to be about massive gangs and ganking 
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2005.04.19 17:50:00 -
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I log because i like my current clone's ***** size.
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