Oh dear here we go. Please READ the post. The forums are not here for spam and abuse, they are here for constructive discussion. Very helpful start, bravo.

Not wanting to get personal, but a 2009 player with a little under 28mil sp according to his eveboard and belonging to an alliance who arguably lives in some of the best and safest ISK making space in the game isn't really who I had in mind. I see now why you aren't on side. Please try to consider this topic from all sides, but of course you are entitled to your view on the matter.

To be perfectly frank if you've been playing this game for several years & are worried about clone costs, you have other issues to be concerned with.

20m ISK is what a day old newbie in a Bantam can make while mining in his 1.0 starter system for 90 minutes.

It's 55mil, but SP isn't important. Our space is safe because we make it that way, but people still die on a regular basis. The point still stands though. If you've been playing this game for years & are worried about clone costs, then your other issue to be concerned about is how you're generating that isk. Perhaps it's time for a change.

He might not be playing the game for the isk

you've clearly never mined before, have you?

OP, stfu.

75mil SP's here, I PVP in nullsec with 500mil clones and frigates.

Yeah, but then again, that might be why i can afford to spend 20m ISK when i want to pew.


What's your point? That it's difficult to make 20m ISK?

Bottom line is that by the time clone costs are anything even close to significant, you should have figured out how to make ISK.
ISK is so easy to make for anyone over, say, 20mil SP (clones are still dirt cheap) that this should never be an issue.

Clones are a good ISK sink and are fine as is.

We shall see how this holds over time. You fail to see that a 12 year old character doesn't automatically have the isk making potential to justify 100mil per loss simply by virtue of the number of SP he has. You also fail to acknowledge that the isk sink you refer too is targeted all wrong, by assuming that only higher SP chars have all the isk. isk sinks are necessary, but this clone business is all wrong and needs to be rebalanced as it has been in the past when it was getting silly last time.

no, simply that you were wrong.

yes, isk is easy to make. no, it's not that easy.

If you've been playing for that long (which you haven't, eve isn't even 12 years old - but whatever, lets use 5 years as an example) and can't afford 100m then you've done something incredibly wrong

It amazes me how the people with very easy access to ISK simply reply that it's easy to make isk - what was that absurd figure from earlier - 20mil for mining 90 minutes in a 1 day old noobship? lol.

The point I am making is not just about the cost. It's about the imbalance and that fact that it will get worse over time. CCP already had to fix this once before but most of the people talking trash on this thread are too new to the game to remember, or realise the impact this has on players in less fortunate positions that themselves.

I know this thread is an easy place to wave your e-peen, but at least think about the arguments before you come to gain a +1 for yourself.

there's a difference between correcting incorrect information, and **** waving.

Yea clones costs do keep me from using some of my older accounts to bumble about and do fun things in but that's why I have alts.

I would like cheaper clones. But we need the isk sinks.

Yea clones costs do keep me from using some of my older accounts to bumble about and do fun things in but that's why I have alts.

I would like cheaper clones. But we need the isk sinks.

Clone costs definitely put people off anything other than blob/safe PvP.

I'm not exactly poor but if I want to go for a casual solo wander in null with some cheap crap that's lying around then I certainly don't use Othran, who costs 20mill+ a pop for clones before ship costs etc. I'll use a low-skilled alt for that and the reason is simply clone costs.

Fair enough, Othran can do a wide range of "PvP tasks" so clone cost is the price you pay to a certain extent.

However plenty of people don't have multiple accounts/characters which they can use as an alt. Plenty of people have fairly high SP characters but no PvP experience and understandably they aren't too keen on coughing up 10-20mill/pod while they learn.

It has an effect on PvP for sure.