You don't have to use those implants when you PvP, but I think a better idea would be for CCP to remove attribute implants entirely. The main problem people have with clone costs isn't the clone costs themselves, but that they don't want to buy new implants.

If you think this is fair, then by that logic, a new player should play 100mil for a battleship, but a vet should pay 1bil....because they have more sp, or because they have been playing longer, or because they can make isk faster, or because an isk sink is required...

This isn't a whine about not having ISK or being able to afford something. It's just silly to use a low SP alt to get around something that could be changed. Would be nice to have my combat history all on one character for instance (gasp roleplayers! lol)

Turning towards other future matters, CCP Soundwave stated that they were currently looking at medical clones, as the cost of dying for highly skilled pilots is very high and is getting in the way of PvPing GÇô flying a 500k ISK Rifter and paying 10 to 20 million ISK for a clone is not very encouraging for PvP activity. Furthermore, the skill-loss mechanism is also something that needs to be looked at as punishing forgetful people for participating in PvP is counter-intuitive. While nothing has been decided the aim is not to reduce the risk of PvPing, but to move the mechanism of spending the ISK to somewhere else GÇô such as investing the ISK in customizable clones that then give you some benefits (special mining clone, PvP clone, etc.).

In general no one of the CSM voiced concerns with this plan, as penalizing players for not remembering to buy a new clone is the wrong way to go about this.

Two step pointed out that wormhole dwellers would perhaps voice concerns regarding that plan due to the inability to switch clones in wormhole space. He also added that perhaps a GÇÿlongevityGÇÖ perk could be added to clones, meaning that the longer a person is using a clone it would get unique bonuses.

Seleene agreed with the idea of making clones simpler and cheaper at its core.

Trebor Daehdoow was also in support of simple and cheaper clones, while he emphasized a GÇÿsimpler is betterGÇÖ approach to the change.

Due to IcelandGÇÖs weather being very hot that day (above freezing), ice cream was offered to people present at the session

You get three character slots per account.

If your the fear of replacing your clone is keeping you out of PvP, it's your game that's out of balance. Not the price of cloning.

I think this argument is nothing short of pants on head ********. There is a score of issues with this method. Corp member inflation (artistically inflating war dec costs), retraining core skills, juggling assets, constantly transferring ISK back and forth, unnessisary corp management on knowing who's alts are who's. That is just to name a few.

Those whines are about alts.

Start a new thread.

Your solution is creating alts. So my post is completely relevant to this thread. Deal with it.

Having more than one character for some people is tricky to manage, not to mention using the character slots available for one account means ceasing skill training on your main, which is wasteful IMO.

This char is much older than that actually, 7 years and 3 months to be a little more exact. The time you quoted is the time it has been a member of this corporation. I've never bought or sold a character. I have played since the start of EVE and been a loyal subscriber throughout thanks.

I think that if they're terrible at or just hate making isk people should be penalised by having to fly cheap ships, not penalised by being unable to pvp because they'll lose so many sp because they cannot afford a clone

and i don't think people should have to pvp on a noob alt if they're poor

If you want to pvp or go beyond the 'safe' havens of high sec, you are going to have to learn to put your resources at risk.

The motto is, only fly what you can afford to loose.

If you can't even afford your med clone, then don't fly.

sell char in char bazaar for 50 bil and use isk to fund future clone costs

Uh, the mechanism for alts already exists. Learn to cope.

Someone said earlier that they didn't want to learn PvP on their expensive clone. The obvious and present solution is obvious and present. There is no problem.

Afraid to risk your super nifty clone learning from the ground up? Ok, start an alt.

Already used up all your slots and are afraid to risk any of them? Not sure what to tell you. Ooops?

jump clone

All my clones are expensive, even without implants. That is what you don't get. You keep thinking this is about clones with implants and it is not. I don't care about the guy who is afraid to risk his learning implants or some high grade snake set. What I am talking about is the base cost of the clone. Also CCP said a few years ago that alts was something they wish they could have done differently, but the cat is out of the bag. So they did not know how to put it back.

But you go on and keep straw-manning it up about clones with expensive implants and ignore the core argument about removing the clone upgrade costs.