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Seleene	Posted - 2005.04.19 06:22:00 - [181] Originally by: Raem Civrie I would like to put forward a few facts. In large corporations, how many people are usually in the role of directors and/or spokesmen? Not only did our operatives rise up in the ranks of UQS, they had the will to push through with it. The amount of planning put into the operation, and the co-ordination those that carried it out displayed during the actual event itself (execution of Mirial and theft in tandem, for one), is the reason why I'm immensely proud of my brethren in GHSC. This wasn't just a corptheft. This was a surgical strike, a carefully planned and executed joint action between several agents of the Guiding Hand. To those that say that our men have nothing to be proud of; you are wrong. Our people have every reason to be proud of this, a culmination of months of work and dedicated planning. You may not agree with the course of action our agents decided to follow, but don't underestimate the sheer scale of the operation, nor the effort required to synchronize it's execution. Raem Civrie, Guiding Hand Operative Says it all. The kill mail rules. I could never do this sort of thing. It's just not in my nature. Yet despite any personal feelings from myself or anyone else, the fact that Istvaan never breaks character and the fact that they have chosen this role and continue to fulfill it to perfection within EVE demands respect. - T2 Weapons Testing in progress! Volunteer today!
Hastrabull	Posted - 2005.04.19 06:25:00 - [182] Great Job in my opinion Great coordination, organization and dedication! GREAT JOB! :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
Discorporation	Posted - 2005.04.19 06:35:00 - [183] This thread here certainly weeds the carebears from the killers! Hehe. [Heterocephalus glaber]
Kular	Posted - 2005.04.19 07:13:00 - [184] Sure does... because a war dec could have easily gotten mirial killed and podded.. no need to waste 5-10 months of your life and mine.... but oh well I'll go back to fighting while GHSC can go back to sleeping with victums for thrills.... Home of Ubiqua Seraph Eve's only all Sarum loyal corporation.
Vex Seraphim	Posted - 2005.04.19 07:31:00 - [185] Originally by: Kular Sure does... because a war dec could have easily gotten mirial killed and podded.. no need to waste 5-10 months of your life and mine.... Not true. all a war declaration would accomplish is for you guys to get into punishers and once-a-year undock. ------------------- :: finite horizon :: killboard :: :: bio :: blog ::
Arenis Xemdal	Posted - 2005.04.19 07:32:00 - [186] Originally by: Kular Sure does... because a war dec could have easily gotten mirial killed and podded.. no need to waste 5-10 months of your life and mine.... but oh well I'll go back to fighting while GHSC can go back to sleeping with victums for thrills.... That was discussed. Based on the fact that Mirial offlined her systems during every single combat encounter with enemy forces, it was concluded that the chances of downing the Navy Apocalypse, much less seeing it in space during an active war, were next to nothing. The assault from my Imperial Apocalypse was met with the same strategy, but thankfully the few extra seconds given were enough. I also came prepared for the pod with a pair of large explosive smartbombs. Without such an advantage in positioning and intelligence, there would be no way that Mirial's frozen carcass would sit in my hangar this very moment. It was the only object our client asked to retain.
A'rdan Vulpayne	Posted - 2005.04.19 07:48:00 - [187] Edited by: A''rdan Vulpayne on 19/04/2005 07:51:14 Edited by: A''rdan Vulpayne on 19/04/2005 07:49:51 Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 18/04/2005 15:34:09 Our target was assigned to us many months ago û Mirial of Ubiqua Seraph. Mirial was the target? Arenis was long enough a director and a member of UQS to know, what kind of stuff Mirial inserted into UQS ... and the stealing of all stuff from UQS shows only that Arenis is a isk and publisity wicked dabbler ... punishing many ppls for private vendetas? collateral damage? harrasment of ppls? "That is not an exploit of any kind but simply the way the game is designed." shame on the GM for doing nothing against such a destroying of fun, rl-time and rl-money from the ppl whos innocent and paying a lot of money for a game should be the best ... for me was this game the best by now! Amarr Empire - Home of Ubiqua Seraph
Bastables	Posted - 2005.04.19 08:21:00 - [188] Edited by: Bastables on 19/04/2005 08:31:15 Originally by: Arenis Xemdal Originally by: Kular Sure does... because a war dec could have easily gotten mirial killed and podded.. no need to waste 5-10 months of your life and mine.... but oh well I'll go back to fighting while GHSC can go back to sleeping with victums for thrills.... That was discussed. Based on the fact that Mirial offlined her systems during every single combat encounter with enemy forces, it was concluded that the chances of downing the Navy Apocalypse, much less seeing it in space during an active war, were next to nothing. The assault from my Imperial Apocalypse was met with the same strategy, but thankfully the few extra seconds given were enough. I also came prepared for the pod with a pair of large explosive smartbombs. Without such an advantage in positioning and intelligence, there would be no way that Mirial's frozen carcass would sit in my hangar this very moment. It was the only object our client asked to retain. A client who's been slammed for sexual harrasment against Mirial before? Ironicly enough you avioded combat vurses mOo as well during that period. Now I know why. For God, Empire, and Sarum.
DUFFMANX	Posted - 2005.04.19 08:28:00 - [189] Perfection in its execution yes. Cowardly played id have to say no cos they admit it. But dispicable, yes it is no matter who the target is but the fact the target is\was\maybe a scammer herself could it be justified from a contract hit Originally by: Seleene the fact that Istvaan never breaks character and the fact that they have chosen this role and continue to fulfill it to perfection within EVE demands respect. Seleene id have to disagree with u here cos in everything respect cant just be demanded cos of 1 person\groups actions, at the end of the day respect is earned. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
Icomeinpeace	Posted - 2005.04.19 08:31:00 - [190] Well I'll add one more thing on this topic. Basically it seems everything worked out perfect for the GHSC plan and they have what they wanted. However, I really don't think it's that hard to do and in my opinion this should not be allowed TO A CERTAIN EXTENT. Seeing as there are many different age groups in this game as well as personalities, I don't really think it's very fair to allow this sort of thing considering it's really not that hard to do.Especially with all the alts and accounts being sold to different people.I do think there should at least be beter warnings to players who may be naive or who just don't know beter. This sort of stuff could indeed ruin this game if all the sudden enough players decide "Oh well GHSC did this sort of thing and got rich, maybe I can do it too".Then you have a bunch of spies who are probably older and more experienced with this game than their victims, taking advantage of the fact that maybe a new player is just looking for someone to hang out and play a game with. I'm not sure if what I'm saying makes any sense but basically, I do understand the whole spy thing and this was very well done.But somehow it's just not right considdering the Eve player base is so large and versatile. Is it right for an experienced, Eve playing adult, to take advantage of a kid who has just started to grasp to concept of Eve? You could be that kid... There is a fine line to what is being done here and although I'm not sure where the line needs to be drawn, I do think it needs to be drawn somewhere. Anyhow gg again GHSC, although I really don't think it's that hard.I'm sure I could do the same thing but it's not in my character. They could have indeed stopped it through the game mechanics, but something about this just doesn't sit well with me. Can't there at least be beter warnings to players who may not have read the f.a.q? I am just looking out for the little guy.
Jorund Bork	Posted - 2005.04.19 08:31:00 - [191] Edited by: Jorund Bork on 19/04/2005 09:15:50 There is little doubt that this operation was executed well, but it is unfortunate that the rest of UQS have been made to suffer for Mirials shortcomings. You can be sure that those T2 BPo's and other assets were earned by the hardwork of the UQS corp members (as well as the underhand tactics of Mirial), and you can be sure that this will affect their RL enjoyment of EVE. If whoever took out the contract had a grudge with Mirial, they should have kept it against her and not punished the whole corp for association.
Icomeinpeace	Posted - 2005.04.19 08:36:00 - [192] I think another thing that bothers me about this sort of thing is the fact that not all of it actually takes place in game. But can also take place out of game on ts, through emails, and on irc.
Harketh	Posted - 2005.04.19 08:48:00 - [193] Edited by: Harketh on 19/04/2005 08:49:21 I would have to agree with just about everything Icomeinpeace said. It's all very impressive, nice heist etc but I do think you went 'too far' you crossed a line that may not really be visible or programmed in as such but it's a line that I think many know is simply there. It's not the stealing that concerns me so much as the whole idea of befriending someone for 10 months purely to betray, destroy and very probably dimish their capacity to trust. The later of which may or may not be a bad thing. One thing I do know is this is sure as hell an example of the darker side of humanity at work in Eve, perhaps a little too much so for a game as this has the capability to reach beyond Eve. I know it has affected me beyond the confines of the game, which I am sure will please Istvaan no end, it has dimished my already somewhat jaded beleif in mankind even more.
Arenis Xemdal	Posted - 2005.04.19 08:53:00 - [194] Bastables, your psyche was the easiest to manipulate of them all. You do not question that which is given to you. For this, you will always be the subordinate and not the leader you wish to be.
Eris Discordia	Posted - 2005.04.19 09:15:00 - [195] Locking this because of all the OOC referances, you can discuss the topic here without any IC or OOC limitations. However, this also means we will look stricter on what is a personal attack or not. I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage Mail [email protected] if you have any questions.
Cary Grant	Posted - 2005.04.19 09:21:00 - [196] Originally by: Harketh Edited by: Harketh on 19/04/2005 08:49:21 I would have to agree with just about everything Icomeinpeace said. It's all very impressive, nice heist etc but I do think you went 'too far' you crossed a line that may not really be visible or programmed in as such but it's a line that I think many know is simply there. It's not the stealing that concerns me so much as the whole idea of befriending someone for 10 months purely to betray, destroy and very probably dimish their capacity to trust. The later of which may or may not be a bad thing. One thing I do know is this is sure as hell an example of the darker side of humanity at work in Eve, perhaps a little too much so for a game as this has the capability to reach beyond Eve. I know it has affected me beyond the confines of the game, which I am sure will please Istvaan no end, it has dimished my already somewhat jaded beleif in mankind even more. What the? Hey look, if this video game affects you to that capacity, then perhaps your monthly fee to CCP can have a much greater impact if you gave it Unicef or some starving kids in Ethiopia. It is NOT real life, you are NOT a captain of a spaceship so get a reality check here. Furthermore, I do not personally know any of the Guiding Hand corp, but there is no doubt in my mind, that crew played this GAME to a capacity and level unheard of since Eve went retail. Good/Bad/Right/Wrong etc. etc. They MASTERED then rewrote the art of deceptive corporate infiltration tactics. This is MY (Cary Grant)'s personal view on this, and in NO way shape or form is reflective on my corporation and it's members views and/or ideals. Just ME.

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