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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.04.18 14:18:00 -
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Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 18/04/2005 15:34:09
Greetings, everyone û it has been some time since I last stood behind a podium and made a public announcement, so youÆll have to forgive me if IÆm somewhat out of form. The reason I stand here before you is to announce that my mercenary outfit, the Guiding Hand Social Club, has completed its most ambitious contract to date.
Our target was assigned to us many months ago û Mirial of Ubiqua Seraph. Our task was to carry out that which the GHSC has now become known for û to utterly demolish Mirial and bring all who followed her to their knees in one fell swoop. For those many months, we toiled, secreting our operatives among her ranks, steering her organization through a number of insidiously engineered events meant to engender trust and divert their attention from where it should have been.
Early this morning, our hard work bore fruit. Executing a meticulously planned, thoroughly flawless concerto of simultaneous corp-hangar heists, attacks in open space and facility invasions, the Ubiqua Seraph came to know the wrath of the GHSC first-hand. The result shatters any previous records for sheer scale of such an endeavour:
Hostile assets acquired:
- Modulated Deep Core Miner II BPO - Covert Ops Cloak II BPO - Armageddon BPO - Prophecy BPO - Malediction BPO - Arkonor Crystal II BPO - Scordite Crystal II BPO - Numerous lesser tech II BPOs
- A few billion ISK in minerals. - 717 million taken from corporate wallet. - Two billion taken under the guise of a loan from the executor.
Our net gain from this massive heist is roughly estimated at over 20 billion ISK.
Hostile assets destroyed:
- One Amarr Navy Apocalypse. - One capsule, belonging to Mirial, known to possess a head full of +4s. - One dream.
Total damages inflicted are estimated at close to 30 billion ISK.
Further information pending - stay tuned. Thank you all for your time.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.04.18 14:20:00 -
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Edited by: Discorporation on 18/04/2005 14:23:30 ._.
Fatality.
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Arenis Xemdal
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Posted - 2005.04.18 14:22:00 -
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Fate has put me here, but destiny knows no bounds.
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Dorga Khab
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Posted - 2005.04.18 14:24:00 -
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YARRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2005.04.18 14:28:00 -
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I wish to extend my gratsulations to GHSC and my respect to all involved while carrying this operation out.
I also like to say
Can I have/buy your stuff?
This is not a hijack
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.04.18 14:29:00 -
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Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 18/04/2005 14:41:26
Quote: - Modulated Deep Core Miner II BPO - Armageddon BPO - Arkonor Crystal II BPO - Scordite Crystal II BPO
Gotta admit if the Guiding Hand guys ever publicised stealing that much mining equipment from Jericho I'd consider quitting and ending myself
Star Fraction
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2005.04.18 14:31:00 -
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Edited by: Lianhaun on 18/04/2005 14:31:05
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Gotta admit if the Guiding Hand guys ever publised stealing that much mining equipment from Jericho I'd consider quitting and ending myself
You know you are tempting people right now? In love and war everything is allowed and I heard Star Fraction is still a hated alliance.
This is not a hijack
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Tyrande
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Posted - 2005.04.18 14:31:00 -
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Hi UQS.
Not much left of that "uppity****got" attitude you had before, I assume?
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Cardassius
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Posted - 2005.04.18 14:32:00 -
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I bet that the employees from that corporation will have suicide plans now. Cause they cannot do **** to get stuff back.
Good heist though.. but nothing to be proud off.
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Zeraph Dregamon
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Posted - 2005.04.18 14:32:00 -
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Edited by: Zeraph Dregamon on 18/04/2005 14:32:50
OH MY WHAT DO WE HAVE HERE
GH-SC
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.04.18 14:33:00 -
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.04.18 14:35:00 -
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Quote: You know you are tempting people right now? In love and war everything is allowed and I heard Star Fraction is still a hated alliance.
Well you see Lianhaun, however much you hate us you can't steal from inside my hanger and at the end of the day thats all I care about. There are some benefits to being post-human individualists you know. I don't trust anyone with my stuff.
Call me paranoid but I've heard there are thieves about!
Star Fraction
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Ak Gara
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Posted - 2005.04.18 14:45:00 -
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Edited by: Ak Gara on 18/04/2005 14:47:03 I too can't help but wonder about what they did that asked for so much wrath.
I also can't help but wonder if the person who hired the GH-SC is having regrets, not knowing just how much wrath he paid for.
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.04.18 14:45:00 -
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Honest question. Given Mirial was the target and not an agent of this how was it possible to change her comms biography?
Star Fraction
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Vistilantus
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Posted - 2005.04.18 14:47:00 -
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Edited by: Vistilantus on 18/04/2005 14:51:34 edit by me.
they were paid in game to do a job and they did it, hats off to em, perseverance paid off.
~Vistilantus
~I don't Have an attitude problem, YOU have a perception problem. |
Lianhaun
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Posted - 2005.04.18 14:49:00 -
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Quote:
Well you see Lianhaun, however much you hate us you can't steal from inside my hanger and at the end of the day thats all I care about. There are some benefits to being post-human individualists you know. I don't trust anyone with my stuff.
Call me paranoid but I've heard there are thieves about!
After this message I think everybody is paranoid again, and I have heard about your post humanist theories but I can not bring myself to reading all the amateur philosophical theories.
Yet being a post humanist does not guarantee protection against thieves who pose as friends? I think GHCH club shows that anyone can be a victim and it seems so unwise to believe you are excluded because you believe yourself warned enough.
This is not a hijack
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.04.18 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Honest question. Given Mirial was the target and not an agent of this how was it possible to change her comms biography?
Such is the quality of our covert operations, that our targets often fall in love with our operatives before we strike. The objective placed that phrase in her bio willingly.
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.04.18 14:54:00 -
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Quote: After this message I think everybody is paranoid again, and I have heard about your post humanist theories but I can not bring myself to reading all the amateur philosophical theories.
Yet being a post humanist does not guarantee protection against thieves who pose as friends? I think GHCH club shows that anyone can be a victim and it seems so unwise to believe you are excluded because you believe yourself warned enough.
lemme explain it to you again then Lianhaun. You just announced that I'm part of a "hated alliance" (SF) and that you applaud corp theft and destruction on the scale of what just happened to Mirial. I just explained to you that since I own all my own stuff and I don't trust anyone with my stuff that I'm relatively happy to be immune to your threats. I don't care what you think about post humanism but you are pro corp theft and you hate us so that makes me very glad my lovely Megathron with the rare mods isn't in the corp hanger right now.
Clearer for you?
I hope so.
Star Fraction
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.04.18 14:58:00 -
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Quote: Such is the quality of our covert operations, that our targets often fall in love with our operatives before we strike. The objective placed that phrase in her bio willingly.
Ah gotcha, now I understand, thanks Istvaan. I was wondering :) - that looked like such a complete act of destruction made me think for a minute that Mirial herself might have been coopted - I guess I watch too many real conspiracy holoreels eh?
Star Fraction
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.04.18 14:59:00 -
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I am but a simple warrior, and the great galatic game of espionage and politics are but a closed book to me.
But even I have heard of the mercenaries that are the guiding hand social club. I have no doubt that Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego will be boosted to an even greater size as a result of his actions.
I have no pity for the slavers, they deserve no mercy. But the guiding hands? I wonder if they are any better. For enough money I am sure they themselves would become slavers and attempt to destroy any opposition to it.
Be careful what you feed, for it is a dangerous person who will do anything for isk. Even the slavers have their moral code, as wrong as screwed as it is. -
"Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally." - Unknown Warrior
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bonesy19uk
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Posted - 2005.04.18 15:02:00 -
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Whoever the target maybe, whatever moral or political standing towards them may be, I have to say that no-one deserves that. |
Lianhaun
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Posted - 2005.04.18 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
lemme explain it to you again then Lianhaun. You just announced that I'm part of a "hated alliance" (SF) and that you applaud corp theft and destruction on the scale of what just happened to Mirial. I just explained to you that since I own all my own stuff and I don't trust anyone with my stuff that I'm relatively happy to be immune to your threats. I don't care what you think about post humanism but you are pro corp theft and you hate us so that makes me very glad my lovely Megathron with the rare mods isn't in the corp hanger right now.
Clearer for you?
I hope so.
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
There are some benefits to being post-human individualists you know. I don't trust anyone with my stuff.
Good good Jasmine, I was beginning to fear that you believed yourself immune because of some new set of beliefs and theories.
You are so sensitive though Jasmine, all i said that I heard that you are still a hated alliance, I never said something about my own poinions on your alliance (well not today). Eventhough you combine my supposed hatred for your alliance and add it with my applause for GHSC it's still lacks some elements to arrive at the conclusions that I am planning to rob you.
All I wanted was to warn that some people who hate your alliance might be tempted by your earlier words of returning to planetlife if anything would be stolen from you or your corp.
But its good to know you atleast are safe from robbery, still don't react as if I just written a promise to come and steal from you when I'm just trying to be friendly. It makes you seem so...impulsive
This is not a hijack
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Naradjah
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Posted - 2005.04.18 15:05:00 -
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Corp theft is quite dishonourable. How can you, Mr Endless Corporation, be so proud of it? Really pathetic.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.04.18 15:09:00 -
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Funny you should mention Endless - did you know I robbed them too?
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Viqer Fell
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Posted - 2005.04.18 15:10:00 -
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Quite quite pathetic. Podding someone is one thing robbing the entire corps assets thereby stealing from every pilot member is the act of losers. Contemptible.
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Tairos Hakonnus
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Posted - 2005.04.18 15:12:00 -
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I'm glad I let Damien Vox pass through Amamake last night, I'd hate to see this sort of thing happen to me. ----------------------------
http://spla.sh/bp/bp_files/main.htm |
Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.04.18 15:14:00 -
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Quote: Good good Jasmine, I was beginning to fear that you believed yourself immune because of some new set of beliefs and theories.
Well you know, when one of those theories is "look after yourself and ensure you don't trust external systems and corporations to hold your possessions and wealth" then it is actually quite useful for avoiding getting robbed. Its a known fact that the only people that get corp-thefted are people that trust the wrong people with their stuff. If you make sure you never get into that situation then you won't get corp-thefted of anything that matters.
Quote: You are so sensitive though Jasmine, all i said that I heard that you are still a hated alliance, I never said something about my own poinions on your alliance (well not today). Eventhough you combine my supposed hatred for your alliance and add it with my applause for GHSC it's still lacks some elements to arrive at the conclusions that I am planning to rob you.
Well I do remember you saying how much you hated us before somewhere (maybe in one of the CVA war discussions) and you are a quite a prominent figure in the capsule pilot community so one must assume for you to go public in such a fashion is intentional statement of warning. And since we both know that corp thefts happen, that you applaud them, and that you have no love for me or my alliance, come'on, its not hard to draw the conclusion that if you were ever in the same corp with me I shouldn't leave my tech2 blasters in the shared hanger Lianhaun! Thats just simple common sense and I'm sure you won't deny me that.
Quote: All I wanted was to warn that some people who hate your alliance might be tempted by your earlier words of returning to planetlife if anything would be stolen from you or your corp.
I was actually talking a little ironically about the embarrassment of the theft of mining equipment in such value rather than the theft of anything at all. Jericho Fraction has been corp thefted many times by some of the most notorious corp thieves in space, but they generally get nothing more than a few million tritanium (since we are rubbish miners) and some tech1 gear from the shared pvp ghetto hangers. Most we ever lost was about 300m.
I was making a black joke about having mining equipment stolen being worse than the theft itself. Sorry if you didn't get it.
Quote: But its good to know you atleast are safe from robbery, still don't react as if I just written a promise to come and steal from you when I'm just trying to be friendly. It makes you seem so...impulsive
It didn't sound friendly, it sounded like a threat. I think you need to finish training your social skills Lianhaun. And yes, I'm very impulsive, comes of being the warrior-gal in the family. I don't mince my words and I'm not very diplomatic.
Just the way I am.
Star Fraction
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Ardor
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Posted - 2005.04.18 15:19:00 -
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pathetic
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Zhou Yu
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Posted - 2005.04.18 15:21:00 -
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Edited by: Zhou Yu on 18/04/2005 15:24:13
People work very hard for months to save up to buy things like battleship BPO's. A lot of personal time and effort is put into things like that.
By all means, lead a sustained empire war against them, hassle thier mining ops, gank them everywhere, but don't be *****. To infiltrate a corp for months with the sole intent to steal its BPOs is the most disgusting act that could ever be commited.
You made friends, people you talked to and shared with for months but all under false pretences just to steal?
If you're patting your back about the isk value of what you've stole, don't pat to hard, in todays eve economy its not that much of a catch.
Theres nothing to feel proud of - just look at yourselves, petty thieves.
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2005.04.18 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
It didn't sound friendly, it sounded like a threat. I think you need to finish training your social skills Lianhaun. And yes, I'm very impulsive, comes of being the warrior-gal in the family. I don't mince my words and I'm not very diplomatic. Just the way I am.
Free advice form another war gal, never threatend to do anything just do it.
Your conclusions that I'm out to rob your corp is still far fetched, because if you know me better you would know i would never mention it not even as a warning, and I would go for a corp that is known for more richer pickings
For someone who does not mine words, you still write alot of them. Let's get back on the subject and stop argueing over tiny little things, I hope you have something better to do then continue this little argument about who said what and meant something else.
This is not a hijack
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Steiner
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Posted - 2005.04.18 15:27:00 -
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*clap clap*
Even thou this is wrong and such I must salute you.
Masterful planing and smooth operation.
You sure know how to do this Istvaan Shogaatsu, Congratulations
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Sic Dexly
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Posted - 2005.04.18 15:30:00 -
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talking about finishing the corp off in one moment
so, is this the biggest corp theft in eve records or what
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.04.18 15:33:00 -
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Quote: For someone who does not mine words, you still write alot of them. Let's get back on the subject and stop argueing over tiny little things, I hope you have something better to do then continue this little argument about who said what and meant something else.
Gotta laugh at the freudian slip And I'm not arguing just calling it like I saw. If you didn't mean to make the threat then fine its cool. I'd hate to have to make friends with some guy for months only to have him steal my mining crystals just cos I swapped forum words with the famous Lianhaun
Star Fraction
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Erisia Malaclypse
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Posted - 2005.04.18 15:44:00 -
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It's good to see someone enjoying their work and getting a result of that magnitude after a well planned and executed operation. Did you have 'HotDogs' afterwards, or was it not a Friday on your calendar?
This type of action is no different to a war declaration since the objective in both cases tends to be similar. Admittedly, it is better at sowing the seeds of distrust and that must be encouraged.
I and many others are left wondering who paid for the services of your organisation.
I had heard rumours that the Curious Verity Alliance had an axe to grind with Mirial, perhaps we'll have a statement from them soon denying responsibility?
In the Chao, Erisia.
PS: Never eat the yellow ice unless you have your peanuts nearby. PPS: There was a Fifth Gunman! PPPS: All truths are Lies. -- The EVE Discordian Echo |
Riddari
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Posted - 2005.04.18 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 18/04/2005 14:41:26
Quote: - Modulated Deep Core Miner II BPO - Armageddon BPO - Arkonor Crystal II BPO - Scordite Crystal II BPO
Gotta admit if the Guiding Hand guys ever publicised stealing that much mining equipment from Jericho I'd consider quitting and ending myself
You spend way too much time staring over gunsights.
Mining is no worse than any other pilot activity, in fact it's usually more refreshing than taking over space stations!
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Riddari
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Posted - 2005.04.18 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: Erisia Malaclypse I had heard rumours that the Curious Verity Alliance had an axe to grind with Mirial, perhaps we'll have a statement from them soon denying responsibility?
I have a totally different entity in mind
I believe it might start with a letter very close to C though.
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.04.18 15:48:00 -
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Quote: You spend way too much time staring over gunsights.
Mining is no worse than any other pilot activity, in fact it's usually more refreshing than taking over space stations!
I still have nightmares from the six hours I mined veldspar for Miso's tempest
Star Fraction
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Astarte Nosferatu
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Posted - 2005.04.18 15:49:00 -
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Hehe, DigitalCommunist perhaps?
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Aja Jin
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Posted - 2005.04.18 15:53:00 -
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Edited by: Aja Jin on 18/04/2005 15:56:13 I suggest that Guiding Hand and their contractor take on no new members for the next two years. Can corp survive that long without new blood. It is better to be poor and trusted than rich and hated. You have brought the snake into the new garden of eden. The parables handed down in my family talk also about the fate of she who opens Pandoras box.
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A'rdan Vulpayne
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Posted - 2005.04.18 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Zhou Yu Edited by: Zhou Yu on 18/04/2005 15:24:13
People work very hard for months to save up to buy things like battleship BPO's. A lot of personal time and effort is put into things like that.
By all means, lead a sustained empire war against them, hassle thier mining ops, gank them everywhere, but don't be *****. To infiltrate a corp for months with the sole intent to steal its BPOs is the most disgusting act that could ever be commited.
You made friends, people you talked to and shared with for months but all under false pretences just to steal?
If you're patting your back about the isk value of what you've stole, don't pat to hard, in todays eve economy its not that much of a catch.
Theres nothing to feel proud of - just look at yourselves, petty thieves.
agreed ... but its a game, the world is hard and these thieves cant show respect (or name it mercy) to hard working seraphs ...
Amarr Empire - Home of Ubiqua Seraph
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.04.18 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Aja Jin I suggest that Guiding Hand and their contractor take on no new members for the next two years. Can corp survive that long without new blood. I would rather be poor and trusted than rich and hated. You have brought the snake into the new garden of eden. The parables handed down in my family talk also about the fate of she who opens Pandoras box.
Here's the problem with that Aja Jin. I'm betting (I don't know for sure) that GHSC work pretty much like Jericho with wealth and assets. I bet they are all independently wealthy and have all their stuff in private hangers. I bet their corp has a majority of shares in the CEO's name and I bet the only access that new recruits get is to some ammo and cheap ships if that. I bet nothing vital is ever made available to people without 100% trust and planetside credentials.
That means that GHSC can afford to hire people and keep going because ultimately there is nothing to be robbed. There is no revenge and no comeback and no way to hurt them. They are basically people working within the limits of the system as predators to eat up all the bounty of misplaced trust and faith.
The only way to fight this sort of thing is to wise up and do the same. Every corp that wants to remain free of critical vulnerability to corp theft and destruction like this is going to have to adopt an individualist approach to wealth and possessions and completely eshew the common corp functions for the common membership. In time there will be no more large targets because everyone will have either adapted or died.
In many ways this parallels the experience of starship combat ironically; with all combatent pilots these days having become experts in the use of custom navigation jumps and emergency tactical manouvers to prevent ship loss. The weak become prey and the strong evolve survivalist response to threat. In the end there are no easy targets left and evolution has been served by making everyone a combatent.
I think its only a matter of time until this kind of corp theft is a thing of the past because literally no-body will dream of making a corporation with equipment stored in the common assets. Its an absolute fools game and given that all of the advantages are with the infiltrators and betrayers it is impossible to protect yourself.
Ultimately Aja Jin, the final irony is that GHSC will both win and lose because they will have forced a change in attitude wherein the sheep become wolves and there is no more fat of the land to be claimed by predators. If the corporate systems cannot secure hangers against theft they should not be used. Its a simple as that.
Star Fraction
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.04.18 16:15:00 -
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I would just like to state that the Curatores Veritatis Alliance (CVA) in no way endorsed or condones this robbery and played no part in it.
It is a matter of public record that we have had differences with a few particular UQS members, but never to the extent we would approve such actions being used against an Amarrian corporation.
We have indeed kicked people from our alliance for resorting to such tactics.
We wish UQS well in their reconstruction efforts and offer our assistance if requested.
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Trey Azagthoth
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Posted - 2005.04.18 16:23:00 -
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Good job Istvaan. Now its my turn to top that!
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.04.18 16:37:00 -
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Wow ---------------------------
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Imran
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Posted - 2005.04.18 16:44:00 -
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pathetic.
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Ikvar
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Posted - 2005.04.18 16:46:00 -
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Thar guy is now a legend. _________________
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Slarty Bardfast
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Posted - 2005.04.18 16:46:00 -
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A low blow, but after a year I've come to expect little else from you Istvaan .
Still, congratulations on another well planned and executed operation, no doubt it won't be your last.
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Joenus Marine
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Posted - 2005.04.18 16:47:00 -
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Diiirty scumbag thieves m8
grr i mean come on these people put real money and real time into this game and you are that much scum that you made false friendship with them over months then felt no remorse after you stole the goods ? you are the lowest of the lowest and thats beyond eve.
and ccp ? they have straight proof from the scums mouth excactly what they have done are they gonna help ? are they gonna pay back the months that these poor folk put into eve ? NO because they dnt giva sh*t aslong as they getting money.
anyway feel proud of yourselfs i wouldn't.....
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Ryctor
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Posted - 2005.04.18 16:51:00 -
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*claps* Man what a haul what a haul.
PPS ~ Joe read my sig.
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Astarte Nosferatu
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Posted - 2005.04.18 16:53:00 -
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Heh, seems Guided Hand favors posting the mining bpo's as the most important ones. The II bpo's they find insignificant (Numerous lesser tech II BPOs) are mainly tech II weapons...
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.04.18 16:53:00 -
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Riddari;
I am thinking the same thing
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Ruffio Sepico
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Posted - 2005.04.18 16:57:00 -
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Edited by: Ruffio Sepico on 18/04/2005 17:02:33 Edited by: Ruffio Sepico on 18/04/2005 16:59:59 If any of the players who got affected by this corp theft cancel their subs, does that make you feel extra good about your deeds, and yourself? Just curious.
Hope you all sleep well at night
In the terms of if it was a good heist or not it was, but what you people fail to realize there is real people behind those characters you love/hate ingame. They got feelings just like everyone else, some things are just not right to do. Maybe having two of our members actually die in real life made us much more aware of this.
Home: http://www.hidden-agenda.co.uk HiD Kills: http://eve.hidden-agenda.co.uk/kill_list.php
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Rasta Rocketman
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Posted - 2005.04.18 17:00:00 -
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It would be nice if CCP would have a way to either control, or punish corp theft. Kinda sad that this can occur and nothing can be done about it.
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Omber Zombie
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Posted - 2005.04.18 17:03:00 -
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While a member of m0o I fought UQS. I had (and still have) some respect for some of the their members (Darth and Bastables specifically). My condolances for your losses, but I have no doubt that you will recover.
To GH-SC, maybe I should have taken you up on that offer to join all that time ago, I might be rich now
Congratulations on the robbery. It proves once again why your reputation is deserved. ----------- "Remember people: Omber is the biggest evil ever created, DO NOT let it get to you!" Waagaa Ktlehr, BDCI
I have a blog
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Pehova Mindtriq
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Posted - 2005.04.18 17:07:00 -
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Wow you are a corpthief, respect
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Nanus Parkite
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Posted - 2005.04.18 17:08:00 -
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I see theres a number of people congratulating them on a such a good operation, why? Is it tought to earn someones trust over a matter of months? I don't think so. Once you've gained someones trust in this game is it hard to get hangar access? Not normally. So so far I don't see an awful lot to be proud of. Bob0's fight wars all the time but we fight them within the bounds of the game mechanics. We don't cheat people out of the effort they put in like this. You my friend are the kind of person I would happily face a court for beating 7 multi-coloured kinds of **** out of. To me the original post is on a par with gloating about having worked in a concentration camp, or how it was so funny when you stole an old ladies savings.
I hope you rot in your own filth.
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2005.04.18 17:10:00 -
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How many times I've said that I don't trust anyone who's home address I don't know .. ^^
Well done Istvaan & Co.
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Jakk Graiseach
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Posted - 2005.04.18 17:21:00 -
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There seem to be people here convinced that there is a 'game' going on somewhere and that it has 'players' who somehow have lives more 'real' than my own.
I would ask that some of them lay off whatever drug*****tails they have been consuming before the insanity really gets a grip of them.
I see we already have denials popping up on the list from those who want to distance themselves from this operation. I am sure the truth will out, despite any denials the true employers of Istvaan's talented crew might issue.
To the Corporation that sustained the losses because of this operation - look to whoever had cause to hate Mirial since her death seems to have been a specific part of the 'contract'.
Life goes on... endlessly...
-- ** All accounts cancelled - have fun guys ** |
Aliksr
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Posted - 2005.04.18 17:24:00 -
[59]
Doing this is one thing, but doing it and being so damn full or yourself.... i'm speechless.
If you want to invest any of that istvaan i could get you 10% a month
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Joaquin Farrad
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Posted - 2005.04.18 17:27:00 -
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Edited by: Joaquin Farrad on 18/04/2005 17:38:25 Istvaan, bravo sugarplum!
Though I must say, you've got a lot of travel vouchers to take care of. Two sustained visits to Amarrian space, four brief business trips to Pator, and one undeclared spurt to Caldari space.
You really need to calm down your travel. I'm sure even your little face-eating hound misses you. You remember the last time you we gone for more than a week, I had to replace so much funiture, it felt like I had witnessed a massicre...
As for the ugly masses that snuff and sneer at this golden day, raging with bile as to how one can be so victimized, I can only suggest you do not anger someone who has a lot of money and a very limited code of ethics. If the GHSC is knocking on your door, chances are you've done something to bring them there. The GHSC has many operatives polka-dotted over the universe. Some are core, some are mearly hired for the specific job.
Never the less, it's good to see a man who enjoys something he does best: gloat, steal, and grin.
First round is on me sugarplum! ____________________________________
Eve's only fashionable, narcotic-mad, sexual deviant... |
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Mordachai Ma'tak
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Posted - 2005.04.18 17:27:00 -
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Edited by: Mordachai Ma''tak on 18/04/2005 17:27:31 No matter how geniously planned, how thoroughly disguised, or how well executed a theft like this was, at the end of the day, it's still just common theft.
No need for applause here. This is just pathetic.
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Ak Gara
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Posted - 2005.04.18 17:31:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Mordachai Ma'tak Edited by: Mordachai Ma''tak on 18/04/2005 17:27:31 No matter how geniously planned, how thoroughly disguised, or how well executed a theft like this was, at the end of the day, it's still just common theft.
No need for applause here. This is just pathetic.
This is anything BUT common theft.
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2005.04.18 17:35:00 -
[63]
I would like to put forward a few facts.
In large corporations, how many people are usually in the role of directors and/or spokesmen? Not only did our operatives rise up in the ranks of UQS, they had the will to push through with it. The amount of planning put into the operation, and the co-ordination those that carried it out displayed during the actual event itself (execution of Mirial and theft in tandem, for one), is the reason why I'm immensely proud of my brethren in GHSC.
This wasn't just a corptheft. This was a surgical strike, a carefully planned and executed joint action between several agents of the Guiding Hand.
To those that say that our men have nothing to be proud of; you are wrong.
Our people have every reason to be proud of this, a culmination of months of work and dedicated planning. You may not agree with the course of action our agents decided to follow, but don't underestimate the sheer scale of the operation, nor the effort required to synchronize it's execution.
Raem Civrie, Guiding Hand Operative |
Zaridin
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Posted - 2005.04.18 17:38:00 -
[64]
There are many ways to wage war. Covert Overt Attrition
I can't help but express my awe at the precision and completness for which this operation occured having read about it. Security of assets is a part of the game, and GHSC struck at the heart of UQS with surgical precision.
To that I give the extraordinary *** Three thumbs up. ...who cares about apathy?... An elephant is a mouse drawn to government specifications.
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Antoinette Civari
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Posted - 2005.04.18 17:40:00 -
[65]
Edited by: Antoinette Civari on 18/04/2005 17:40:32
Originally by: Raem Civrie I would like to put forward a few facts.
In large corporations, how many people are usually in the role of directors and/or spokesmen? Not only did our operatives rise up in the ranks of UQS, they had the will to push through with it. The amount of planning put into the operation, and the co-ordination those that carried it out displayed during the actual event itself (execution of Mirial and theft in tandem, for one), is the reason why I'm immensely proud of my brethren in GHSC.
This wasn't just a corptheft. This was a surgical strike, a carefully planned and executed joint action between several agents of the Guiding Hand.
To those that say that our men have nothing to be proud of; you are wrong.
Our people have every reason to be proud of this, a culmination of months of work and dedicated planning. You may not agree with the course of action our agents decided to follow, but don't underestimate the sheer scale of the operation, nor the effort required to synchronize it's execution.
Raem Civrie, Guiding Hand Operative
... in the end you simply betrayed them and ripped them off.
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2005.04.18 17:45:00 -
[66]
... which is essentially a question of morals, and moot.
If you want to debate our moral integrity, you can go and have a long talk with a stone wall.
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Ashley Sky
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Posted - 2005.04.18 17:52:00 -
[67]
As a small-time thief and villain, this kind of thing could happen only in my evil dreams.
I kneel in awe at this incredible story of deception. I stand in the cool shadows of giants.
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GoGo Yubari
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Posted - 2005.04.18 17:52:00 -
[68]
Very, very impressive.
Corp leaders take note. This could have been stopped.
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Lizaa
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Posted - 2005.04.18 17:55:00 -
[69]
/me applauds its taken only what?? almost a year? i am saddened i wasnt invited......
mirial deserves to be pod repeatedly for all her days
Lizaa - Dark Cartel - Director of Grief TacticsÖ Death is coming!!!!!
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AzzKikr
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Posted - 2005.04.18 18:04:00 -
[70]
I'm Speechless.
I really feel sorry for the Corp that got ripped off in this way. The worst part of this, is that they guys that did it is gloating to openly about what they did.
I'm part of a group that also got ripped of a long time ago. We have learnt our lesson. If I in my personal capacity can be of assistance, please convo me. I will help where I can.
Once again, sorry for your loss to these corp thieves Regards,
AzzKikr Old Farts Recruitment Officer
Visit us at http://oldfarts.guildportal.com |
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pandore
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Posted - 2005.04.18 18:04:00 -
[71]
That's so awfull and a lot of isk, but since it's part of the game, I have to admit wowie, that's impressive!! Good luck to Ubiqua to get over this, It's hard at the beginning, I know, but time will arrange things...
Look at Our Website and Our Forums |
Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2005.04.18 18:10:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Khaldorn Murino I am but a simple warrior, and the great galatic game of espionage and politics are but a closed book to me.
But even I have heard of the mercenaries that are the guiding hand social club. I have no doubt that Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego will be boosted to an even greater size as a result of his actions.
I have no pity for the slavers, they deserve no mercy. But the guiding hands? I wonder if they are any better. For enough money I am sure they themselves would become slavers and attempt to destroy any opposition to it.
Be careful what you feed, for it is a dangerous person who will do anything for isk. Even the slavers have their moral code, as wrong as screwed as it is.
Why are you accusing us of being slavers? I personally love Minmatar, everyone should own at least one. ------
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Vampire Blade
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Posted - 2005.04.18 18:12:00 -
[73]
Edited by: Vampire Blade on 18/04/2005 18:15:10 Congrats. ----- ----- -----
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Unleashed
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Posted - 2005.04.18 18:26:00 -
[74]
Wow, just wow.
Making a press release and trying to spin it so that this theft is a covert op on a grand scale, I cant help but sit here laughing, at your 'justifications' for it. ___
>currently training to level 5: sexual tyrannosaurus / Rank 8 /
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Frost Killer
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Posted - 2005.04.18 18:38:00 -
[75]
Congrats on the steal. Truely it takes time and patience for anything to pay off. And truely ontop of that getting the respect of the corp to have access to the whole hanger. Thats brilliant work.
And as for the corp that got robbed, there is one thing to understand trust no one. There are safties implemented into the game to limit you from stealing items out of hangers and such and all I can say is damn that was a huge hit on you for the mess up or you beliving into the character too strongly.
As people have said it might wreak peoples game but you have to remember they let it come by them. If anything it was the people that gave him the rights to such items that wreaked the game for the rest in the corp over all the hours of work they had.
Congrats on the job, and welcome to EVE History --------------------------------------------------- Ummm ya.... |
Abdalion
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Posted - 2005.04.18 18:46:00 -
[76]
Greetings everyone,
Keep this on topic and in proper form for the Summit.
Regards,
-Abdalion Intergalatic Summit Vice-Mediator Yulai IX - CONCORD Bureau Genesis --
I ♥ You.... Stolen from Eris® |
ALTNAME
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Posted - 2005.04.18 18:54:00 -
[77]
All not surprising folks, I have had a few run ins with Istvaan, and his organization
None of it is impressive however, given the nature of one of his 'contacts' or the possibility that he is such a contact
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2005.04.18 18:56:00 -
[78]
Edited by: Scorpyn on 18/04/2005 18:56:08 So what did Mirial do to get such a contract upon herself?
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2005.04.18 18:57:00 -
[79]
Highly impressive. A feat such as this can only be described as a masterwork of strategic and tactical planning, regardless of the moral ambiguity behind it. I hope others take heed of such acts as this, and realise there is more to corporate warfare than on the end of a blaster. ---------------- Haha, stupid monkey! Now I'VE got the Oscar! Enjoy your worthless gun! |
Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.04.18 18:59:00 -
[80]
Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 18/04/2005 18:59:14
Quote: So what did Mirial do to get such a contract upon herself?
Allegedly, she is herself a corp thief, and escrow scammer. This is a large part of why we were hired, although I have not personally verified it - it is simply not my business to.
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Pulgor
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Posted - 2005.04.18 19:03:00 -
[81]
Since we're playing GHSC FAQ here:
Who gets all these big moneys anyways? Do you guys split it or does the origionator of the contract get some as well? -----------------------------------
Pulgor --- In service to Saram. Visit the Ammatar channel ingame!
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2005.04.18 19:05:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 18/04/2005 18:59:14
Quote: So what did Mirial do to get such a contract upon herself?
Allegedly, she is herself a corp thief, and escrow scammer. This is a large part of why we were hired, although I have not personally verified it - it is simply not my business to.
So you corp thieved a corp thief? Interesting, that kinda removes the lameness factor involved.
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RollinDutchMasters
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Posted - 2005.04.18 19:12:00 -
[83]
I bet someone really wishes that CCP had bothered to implement THIS with Exodus, as promised.
Oh well. Perhaps this will be the encouragement that they need.
Originally by: Sochin CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.04.18 19:19:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Antoinette Civari ... in the end you simply betrayed them and ripped them off.
Thee that lives in glass pods, should not throw stones.
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Damien Vox
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Posted - 2005.04.18 19:21:00 -
[85]
Edited by: Damien Vox on 18/04/2005 19:21:04 I told you that you were smart Tairos.
I must applaud my fellow corp mates who pulled this off. I myself had no hand in it but I do feel rather proud to know I'm in the same corporation as people who can pull such an amazing thing off.
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RageChild
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Posted - 2005.04.18 19:22:00 -
[86]
I can attest that Mirial is well known for robbing hangers and using escrow scams.
Karma.
Tales of the Rona Paratwa
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Darth Revanant
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Posted - 2005.04.18 19:24:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Scorpyn
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 18/04/2005 18:59:14
Quote: So what did Mirial do to get such a contract upon herself?
Allegedly, she is herself a corp thief, and escrow scammer. This is a large part of why we were hired, although I have not personally verified it - it is simply not my business to.
So you corp thieved a corp thief? Interesting, that kinda removes the lameness factor involved.
Alleged Scorpyn. If she were in fact a corp thief, don't you think she would have made off with the 20+ bil in assets before the actual corp thief did? Instead she helped build and construct UQS. Which version would you beleive?
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.04.18 19:28:00 -
[88]
Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 18/04/2005 19:29:08
Originally by: Pulgor Since we're playing GHSC FAQ here: Who gets all these big moneys anyways? Do you guys split it or does the origionator of the contract get some as well?
I'm glad you asked, Pulgor - this old businessman loves rambling on and on about his outfit, and you've just given me the excuse.
GHSC uses a decentralized structure of payment. Nothing is ever a shared asset. In PVP wars, the bulk of which takes place in ship-to-ship combat, we divide pay based on combat performance as evidenced by killmails and value of assets destroyed or acquired on an individual member basis. This encourages us to do our best. In primarily covert-ops campaigns, pay is distributed largely equally among everyone involved (it is after all a monumental task), with discretionary bonuses awarded to individuals who are key to pulling off the caper.
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Uuve Savisaalo
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Posted - 2005.04.18 19:39:00 -
[89]
I would like to raise a glass to the fruition of this marvelous ploy. Good show, everyone. Good show.
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Joaquin Farrad
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Posted - 2005.04.18 19:42:00 -
[90]
Quote: Alleged Scorpyn. If she were in fact a corp thief, don't you think she would have made off with the 20+ bil in assets before the actual corp thief did? Instead she helped build and construct UQS. Which version would you beleive?
I expect many of those on the recieving end of Mirial's ebilness to come out in droves like children molested by clergy, only 10% being actual factual.
I've seen many of her scams on the escrow, and I've never cried wolf about it, because it's a world of "Buyer Beware". I've only heard of her use of Minmatar agents within other Minmatar corporations, so I can't really comment about that.
As for being an angel and helping build and construct a corporation deicated to oppressing and subjectating the Minmatar in a way not sanctioned by the Emperor of the Amarr, I can shed no tears for this "outrage". Mirial has always had several enemies in many circles. Loyal Amarrians hate her for being anti-Emperor and slanderous of loyal Amarrian corps (don't ask me to provide proof, I'm sure many loyal Amarrian corps can provie that for you). Minmatars hate her for being an evil wicked *****. Individuals hate her probbably for the escrow shinannigans.
To say the least, Mirial isn't going to be cannonized in the Amarrian Church for her pure soul. She can only hope that the friends she made remember her fondly. Sometimes that's all you need, but being a publicity ***** probbably won't be enough for her.
To answer your question, I'll believe the story that makes Mirial look like an evil *****.
Moral of the story is: Make enough enemies, and one will eventually want to see you burn more than the rest.
I for one will be changing my Pod Access code. No telling who I've uttered it to during many drunken nights. ____________________________________
Eve's only fashionable, narcotic-mad, sexual deviant... |
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Seventh Son
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Posted - 2005.04.18 19:44:00 -
[91]
Edited by: Seventh Son on 18/04/2005 19:46:38 Istvaan,
I see you are still walking amongst the shadows and bathing in the light of victorys. I bet many these days wish I would of killed you as contracted oh so many years ago. Unfortunately even then your pocket book ran deep and your sugar coated words sang tunes of victories just and profitable.
Live well M8, Fly fast, Kill without sorrow.
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DJTheBaron
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Posted - 2005.04.18 19:45:00 -
[92]
im trying to do the same to atuk, i hope all the mansechs is worth it in the end __________________________________________________
Scum, your all scum. |
Reite
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Posted - 2005.04.18 20:02:00 -
[93]
omg DJ you werent supposed to say it to anyone
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Eddie Gordo
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Posted - 2005.04.18 20:08:00 -
[94]
Edited by: Eddie Gordo on 18/04/2005 20:08:17 It seems you have achieved a near fatal blow to UQS and for that I applaud you. You have done the minmatar rebels a tremendous favour.
Instas??
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FA InformationMinister
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Posted - 2005.04.18 20:13:00 -
[95]
For all people not "in the know" Aremis the corp thief is Zeraph who is also Tyrrax Thorrk
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.04.18 20:16:00 -
[96]
Incorrect.
Looks like you're not "in the know" either.
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FA InformationMinister
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Posted - 2005.04.18 20:17:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Incorrect.
Looks like you're not "in the know" either.
Yes, lets believe the corp thieves, alas i have proof.
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Jakk Graiseach
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Posted - 2005.04.18 20:25:00 -
[98]
Originally by: FA InformationMinister For all people not "in the know" Aremis the corp thief is Zeraph who is also Tyrrax Thorrk
You also appear to be suffering from drugged delusions that a person can inhabit multiple seperate bodies at the same time.
For an 'information minister' to be so misinformed is laughable.
We shall try to get the Psych Operatives to stop off for you too, but their schedule tonight is obviously overloaded... -- ** All accounts cancelled - have fun guys ** |
Static Ga'lraith
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Posted - 2005.04.18 20:45:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Jakk Graiseach You also appear to be suffering from drugged delusions that a person can inhabit multiple seperate bodies at the same time.
I wish to elaborate on this slightly further. Perhaps you are right, and one mind cannot inhabit different bodies at the same time, but what if a conciousness could be transfered to another body, using cloning technology? A person could easily use a asthetically different body for other means than the original body was meant for? Obviously as the brains are seperate from the conciousness, to use a new body would require relearning of core skills to be able to function. This would leave the original body in a state of limbo in cryosuspension while the second 'alternative' body is used for other goals. Learning would only be possible in one body as the mind only has one brain to write it's information to.
Obviously this technology has been leaked or otherwise gained as there are more and more rumours of untracable 'alts' being created, then biomassed when their usefulness has been outlived. I find this deeply disturbing...
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.04.18 21:02:00 -
[100]
Oh, well, I guess you caught him. We're screwed now.
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Grosvenor Corama
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Posted - 2005.04.18 21:05:00 -
[101]
OOC: This is the summit, all posts will be made in character or not at all. Understand this is a topic that's a reason for heated discussion, but there are other forums to do so OOC. And I don't think having aliases is a strange thing to be saying in character as long as there is no mention of alts or the like.
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Amthrianius
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Posted - 2005.04.18 21:09:00 -
[102]
After reading through this thread i just realised how lame you are Istavaan. This kind of thing is sad and sickening. Sure you did well to infiltrate a corp by lying your asses off. WD to that but the kind of stuff i have heard from UQS members saddens me.
There is pirating, there is causing mental anguish, then there is lame people and your corporation fit in the latter category. It also makes me sad that some people i knew such as Tyrrax and he took part in this which makes me sad :(
I have passed all my logs of chats with Tyrrax on to the relevant people concerned so yes unlike the ghey alt that posts i can ACTUALLY confirm that Tyrrax Thorrk is idd Zeraph Dregamon, allthough i cannot confirm if he is also the Xemdal bloke.
But yeah anyway Mirial has all appropiate logs as does Jade, so yeah this is quite dissapointing Tyrrax
[Editted to be in Character]
edited further by me - Grosvenor Corama ---------------
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.04.18 21:19:00 -
[103]
After such a passionate effort, the least you could do is get my name right. It's Istvaan, two As, not three.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2005.04.18 21:21:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu After such a passionate effort, the least you could do is get my name right. It's Istvaan, two As, not three.
Come back-o-meter says zilch
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Ivilb Itch
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Posted - 2005.04.18 21:23:00 -
[105]
Does it really matter if Mirial is a scammer or not ?
This theft does not only affect that person, it affects all members of Ubiqua Seraph. Having a problem with a single individual, does that really mandate punishing an entire corp this way ? I have no knowledge of the inner workings of US, but its very hard to believe that all the reportedly stolen assets were collected by one person. A corporation is more than one person, and if the objective is to hurt an individual I can think of many other, less indiscriminate ways to achieve that. ________________________________
Victim of unnatural selection |
Gift
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Posted - 2005.04.18 21:38:00 -
[106]
cheap, dirty, low.
well done
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Antoinette Civari
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Posted - 2005.04.18 21:40:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Dionysus Davinci
Originally by: Antoinette Civari ... in the end you simply betrayed them and ripped them off.
Thee that lives in glass pods, should not throw stones.
Care to elaborate ?
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Pulgor
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Posted - 2005.04.18 21:40:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Ivilb Itch Does it really matter if Mirial is a scammer or not ?
This theft does not only affect that person, it affects all members of Ubiqua Seraph. Having a problem with a single individual, does that really mandate punishing an entire corp this way ? I have no knowledge of the inner workings of US, but its very hard to believe that all the reportedly stolen assets were collected by one person. A corporation is more than one person, and if the objective is to hurt an individual I can think of many other, less indiscriminate ways to achieve that.
The objective is to do what the client wants and make a fat wad of cash while doing it, atleast that's what I understand from Istvaan's speech.
If you really feel sorry for them, you'd donate some cash to them. This sympathy train has a 5 Mill ISK ticket, are you prepared to pay up? -----------------------------------
Pulgor --- In service to Saram. Visit the Ammatar channel ingame!
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IamBen
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Posted - 2005.04.18 21:43:00 -
[109]
Not at all impressive. Winning a fleet battle would be a better way to earn respect than bragging about stealing and stabbing people in the back.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.04.18 21:47:00 -
[110]
We lack the manpower for, or the desire to participate in major fleet battles. That's why we resort to other talents at our disposal to carve ourselves a slice of the mercenary market.
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Arenis Xemdal
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Posted - 2005.04.18 21:50:00 -
[111]
Such grand efforts made in "uncovering the truth", but none answer the question...
What are you going to do about it?
As long as there are shocked bystanders and crippled corporations, we will always have employment.
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Bobby Wilson
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Posted - 2005.04.18 21:51:00 -
[112]
I've got nothing but contempt for thieves.
nuff said.
BW |
cold lazarus
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Posted - 2005.04.18 21:59:00 -
[113]
You and your entire corp are scum.
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Kular
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Posted - 2005.04.18 22:02:00 -
[114]
Truly evil people will reveal themselves in all they do in their life... and will burn eternally for it. There is nothing in this life we can do to punish them more than that....
Home of Ubiqua Seraph Eve's only all Sarum loyal corporation. |
Scorpyn
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Posted - 2005.04.18 22:06:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Darth Revanant Alleged Scorpyn. If she were in fact a corp thief, don't you think she would have made off with the 20+ bil in assets before the actual corp thief did? Instead she helped build and construct UQS. Which version would you beleive?
Just because someone is building something it doesn't mean that he/she isn't a corp thief aswell, although I admit that I have no idea whether the rumours about Mirial being a corp thief are true or not. The thing I don't like about it is the way the innocent got hurt aswell (ie the other corp members).
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Joaquin Farrad
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Posted - 2005.04.18 22:12:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu After such a passionate effort, the least you could do is get my name right. It's Istvaan, two As, not three.
Come back-o-meter says zilch
For a man whose vainity overshadows his accomplishments, this is not a come-back, this is just a standard response to idiots.
Originally by: Ivilb Itch Does it really matter if Mirial is a scammer or not ?
This theft does not only affect that person, it affects all members of Ubiqua Seraph. Having a problem with a single individual, does that really mandate punishing an entire corp this way ? I have no knowledge of the inner workings of US, but its very hard to believe that all the reportedly stolen assets were collected by one person. A corporation is more than one person, and if the objective is to hurt an individual I can think of many other, less indiscriminate ways to achieve that.
Well, as I said before, I believe the contract was to destroy Mirial and to destroy any willingness to follow/help Mirial in corporate efforts. This means that innocents must be caught in the crossfire. I suppose some people have a reason to complain about innocents suffering, but that's corporate warfare for yah. Who says artilery in this time and age should be just as blind? Sure there will be friends who will help Mirial, but that number has been viciously raped by the redirection of assets.
As for those who think honor and big fl33t laZ3r battles are the way to live, I say open your eyes, you'd be surprised to the options available to you. GHSC mearly shows one way of making money. You should be so lucky that Istvaan puts his card on every job he does. Most corp thieves hide away and speak nothing of it. ____________________________________
Eve's only fashionable, narcotic-mad, sexual deviant... |
Atandros
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Posted - 2005.04.18 22:13:00 -
[117]
Originally by: cold lazarus You and your entire corp are scum.
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Iluvy
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Posted - 2005.04.18 22:14:00 -
[118]
I must applaud the GHSC for an exceptional plan that was it seems entirely succesful, despite the rather unpleasant actions said plan involved.
I also hope the US can recover and go on to proser. The intrique and espionage aspects of our lives at the moment are truly highlighted here. Bleh... xD |
Tairos Hakonnus
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Posted - 2005.04.18 22:17:00 -
[119]
What a lot of people seem to be forgetting is that someone else hired the Guiding Hand to commit this legendary act of larceny; and while I'm sure they enjoyed committing it, they aren't the ones who are ultimately responsible. ----------------------------
http://spla.sh/bp/bp_files/main.htm |
Joaquin Farrad
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Posted - 2005.04.18 22:20:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Tairos Hakonnus What a lot of people seem to be forgetting is that someone else hired the Guiding Hand to commit this legendary act of larceny; and while I'm sure they enjoyed committing it, they aren't the ones who are ultimately responsible.
This is probbably the best nugget of intelligence found on this topic, couldn't have said it better myself. ____________________________________
Eve's only fashionable, narcotic-mad, sexual deviant... |
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Kalast Raven
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Posted - 2005.04.18 22:20:00 -
[121]
As an outsider, I would like to see conclusive evidence as to the truth of allegations against Mirial. Her name is being dragged through the mud here, so don't add insult to injury (and what an injury) unless you can back up the insult.
As for the members of the Guiding Hand, your day will come. I think that you can only fly in the face of common decency for so long before you face consequences. And openly bragging like this is only going to accelerate your downfall.
If you were really professional thieves, then you wouldn't release your identities - ever. -------
K. Raven
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Kalast Raven
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Posted - 2005.04.18 22:22:00 -
[122]
As for whether someone else hired the Guiding Hand at all, who knows? I certainly won't be placing a bet on it, either way. -------
K. Raven
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Amthrianius
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Posted - 2005.04.18 22:24:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Joaquin Farrad
Originally by: Tairos Hakonnus What a lot of people seem to be forgetting is that someone else hired the Guiding Hand to commit this legendary act of larceny; and while I'm sure they enjoyed committing it, they aren't the ones who are ultimately responsible.
This is probbably the best nugget of intelligence found on this topic, couldn't have said it better myself.
You presume they are telling the truth about that, they have lied all along so why tell the truth now? ---------------
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2005.04.18 22:29:00 -
[124]
Congrats on a contract completed. However, bragging to the entire starcluster that you excell in "bald face lying" and "betrayal of trust" is sad and pathetic. If you have gained anyones respect or admiration for the completion of this contract, I pity them as well.
I fear that all you have done is caused a few people to mothball their pods and never enter space again. Congrats.
Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS |
Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.04.18 22:31:00 -
[125]
All in a day's work, my friend.
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Razor Jaxx
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Posted - 2005.04.18 22:34:00 -
[126]
Congratulations on a masterful planning and surgical execution; theft & assassination being carried out at the exact same time - wow.
Yes, it is surely an extremely demoralizing blow to the contract target, but after all, isn't this exactly what GH-SC was hired to do? And so they did, with exquisite success, which makes them simply the best in business, bar none.
I see some parallels being drawn with mere 'standard' corp theft, where a member departs with a number of corps assets for exclusively personal reasons, without any RP motive, and then proceeds to hide and change identities. This is not the case at all, and widely publicizing the op's success is the ultimate blow to the target, the icing on the cake - an un-exposed victim isn't a victim to the general public, and it is my guess the contractor wished the magnitude of this heist to be fully exposed.
Undoubtedly UQS worked hard, and collegially, to acquire such wealth in the first place, but I would wager GH-SC worked equally hard - albeit differently - to carry out this masterpiece.
In the end, brilliant RP, which is what we've come to expect from Istvaan and his aides.
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Joaquin Farrad
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Posted - 2005.04.18 22:36:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Halseth Durn I fear that all you have done is caused a few people to mothball their pods and never enter space again. Congrats.
If you want a new set of china, you gotta break a few hearts... ____________________________________
Eve's only fashionable, narcotic-mad, sexual deviant... |
Kalahari Wayrest
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Posted - 2005.04.18 22:38:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Arenis Xemdal
Such grand efforts made in "uncovering the truth", but none answer the question...
What are you going to do about it?
As long as there are shocked bystanders and crippled corporations, we will always have employment.
I knew you were trouble when you popped my ore can
Thug.
Keeping things on topic...Feel bad for Mirial if she hadn't commited corp thefts, don't if she has. Either way Darth Revenant is sexy.
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Star Hawk
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Posted - 2005.04.18 22:48:00 -
[129]
In real life, an incident like this would have the criminal behind bars in no time. To openly bragg about it is far worse. Whether Mirial stole or conned someone else is only hearsay. But to me what Arenis Xemdal did is just as bad as what Judas did. Did you do it for a handful of silver coins?? Treachery should never be received with acclaim. This is one of the most disgusting acts Ive ever heard of in the one year ive been playing Eve. I can understand pirates and the Minmatar cause. I dont understand what would possess anyone to do such an evil act.
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Russo
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Posted - 2005.04.18 22:49:00 -
[130]
Well **** happens, but everything you stole is just material things. We are spiritual, and you cannot take our faith or purpose given to us by God. All the things you did are replaceable. In time your actions will be forgotten and the only thing that will endure is the good, the good done for God.
Material is nothing...you cannot take it to the grave, and it will not prevent your death one day. Only faith will comfort us in our death beds, and give us life everlasting.
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Lizaa
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Posted - 2005.04.18 22:51:00 -
[131]
Edited by: Lizaa on 18/04/2005 22:53:46
Originally by: FA InformationMinister For all people not "in the know" Aremis the corp thief is Zeraph who is also Tyrrax Thorrk
how about u get a clue even i know that isnt true, i do know however who the real ppl are and for that i applaud them..... they have recieved thier congrats mail from me already.....
lol serves that ebil b**** right for what happended to her. im am saddened that i wasnt along for the ride....
Lizaa - Dark Cartel - Director of Grief TacticsÖ Death is coming!!!!!
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Joaquin Farrad
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Posted - 2005.04.18 22:54:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Amthrianius You presume they are telling the truth about that, they have lied all along so why tell the truth now?
As it was said, publicity is the icing on the cake.
Now, a lot of people are confused as to the answer of the question: "Why the GHSC does what it does to people?!?"
Well, allow me to enlighten:
The GHSC is a contract based small business in the mercenary market of asset redirection (I LOVE that term). You may find them in the back room of the GHSC club itself, but usually you have to have an appointment. From there, you have about 31 flavors of corporate destruction to choose from. Corp theft is just the most popular choice used. Then, as stated before, the target corp get a knock-knock on their door because they did something to bring the GHSC there.
Otherwise, a corporation that has no enemies or long lasting grudges has nothing to fear from the GHSC.
This unless you:
- Aggrivate them by being stupid/loud/distasteful/classless/volitile/inconsiderate while addressing them enough to be remembered. - Block, complicate, or otherwise interfere with their daily operations - Dress up like a******victim, because only then you're just asking for it. - Be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Adhere to these simple guidelines and you should never have to look over your back for a GHSC operative looking to cut the implants outta your pretty face. ____________________________________
Eve's only fashionable, narcotic-mad, sexual deviant... |
Pulgor
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Posted - 2005.04.18 22:58:00 -
[133]
I want to play another round of GHSC FAQ:
Do these services even cost the origionater of the contract anything? considering that it seems the GHSC gets well compensated for their efforts, it is kind of fruitless to expect to have to pay for them. -----------------------------------
Pulgor --- In service to Saram. Visit the Ammatar channel ingame!
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Razor Jaxx
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Posted - 2005.04.18 23:00:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Joaquin Farrad Adhere to these simple guidelines and you should never have to look over your back for a GHSC operative looking to cut the implants outta your pretty face.
From what I read, I'm guessing you would be the scalpel-wielding butcher, eh?
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Paladineguru
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Posted - 2005.04.18 23:07:00 -
[135]
you took to long to get the job done ist , i would have expected results sooner.
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Joaquin Farrad
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Posted - 2005.04.18 23:08:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Razor Jaxx
Originally by: Joaquin Farrad Adhere to these simple guidelines and you should never have to look over your back for a GHSC operative looking to cut the implants outta your pretty face.
From what I read, I'm guessing you would be the scalpel-wielding butcher, eh?
Well, there are two ways for that kinda job. I'm the cleaner way, probbably because the mods in your skull are worth more intact than destroyed. The other option, destroy mods and body, are usually taken care of by the GHSC scarecrow. You will know him when you see him.
I've met him once, and he isn't very gentle. ____________________________________
Eve's only fashionable, narcotic-mad, sexual deviant... |
Resdayn Sarum
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Posted - 2005.04.18 23:08:00 -
[137]
Arenis was my most trusted friend and brother, however he did backstab me and my ideals when he tried to bring down the corporation ive fought for in my whole life. He even escaped with my body and Pilot implants. I would like that back as it cant be seen as something hurting Mirial as you stated this was all about. And stealing my whole collection of ships which didnt belong to Mirial but me cant be seen as negative towards Mirial either. This is all a plot to grief one person resulting in hurting us all, you the players of the universe flying around reading our press releases to have time running, us the warriors who defend our ideals, me the pilot who lost all his training and equipment. This is the worst sort of griefers and harassment, i hope CCP will come to their senses and do the right thing here. Its not "cool" to grief people and the people who takes comfort in doing such acts must be pathetic in their inner self.
With Kind Regards
Resdayn Sarum,
OOC: my main char, Resdayn is stolen do not trust this char at any cost.
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Aman Sul
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Posted - 2005.04.18 23:13:00 -
[138]
With or without a contract Corp thefts are ghey as ****
"There are no dumb questions, but there are ALOT of inquisitive idiots." |
Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.04.18 23:14:00 -
[139]
Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 18/04/2005 23:18:44
Originally by: Pulgor I want to play another round of GHSC FAQ:
Do these services even cost the origionater of the contract anything? considering that it seems the GHSC gets well compensated for their efforts, it is kind of fruitless to expect to have to pay for them.
Yep, they cost. While this campaign certainly lined our pockets, not every war comes with a massive robbery - many of our clients ask us specifically not to, which speaks highly of their character. Such PVP-oriented wars invariably bring ship losses with them - our T2 ship fetish coupled with our small size means we occasionally take it on the nose harder than merc joints like BDCI who simply outclass us in space. Ergo it is necessary to charge to offset operating costs - even for a campaign like this, which, while lucrative upon execution, was literally months in the making.
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MikeDK
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Posted - 2005.04.18 23:14:00 -
[140]
Using the EVE Online forums to trumpet your shameless acts just shows how utterly full of yourself you are. It's infantile and well, pitiful.
I don't know why you think that lying, stealing and abusing trust is going to earn you anything but contempt. All you've achieved is to make the game less fun for everyone else. Are we supposed to salute you for that?
There's no question that this will have a negative impact throughout EVE, not just immediately in terms of people leaving the game, but over time.
Fewer players means less revenue for CCP means higher prices for me. Thanks a lot for that dude, really appreciate that.
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Synex
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Posted - 2005.04.18 23:56:00 -
[141]
Not very wise to boast about blatant corp theft on these CONCORD monitored message boards... I expect they are setting your sec status to -10.0 right about... oh wait, nope - they don't care do they?!
One quick question - did you use your own identities to pull this off, or did you all assume 'alt'ernate personalities?
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2005.04.19 00:01:00 -
[142]
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu All in a day's work, my friend.
We're not friends. Nor will we ever be.
Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS |
Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.04.19 00:04:00 -
[143]
Funny story, Synex.
You know how the phrase "Guiding Hand Social Club" has been essentially synonymous with the phrase "corp theft"? Take a look at elite GHSC operative Arenis Xemdal's employment record, and note what corporation he was in before joining UQS for this heist.
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Ankanos
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Posted - 2005.04.19 00:16:00 -
[144]
i applaud the genious in exeucting a well laid plan.. -however, i find it utterly pathetic that one would be so proud to be a common thief..
..one can only hope you did the right thing and had your entire corp neutered..
..very sad indeed
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Errol Dinn
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Posted - 2005.04.19 00:23:00 -
[145]
Edited by: Errol Dinn on 19/04/2005 00:23:26 Common thief? Hell thats over 20 Billion in ISK and assets. That's not common in any way shape or form. That is referred to more as Grand Larceny.
Mr. Shogaatsu, if someone should ever deem it necessary to hire your services to hit my small corp, please contact me so we can work out a business arrangement before any nasty business needs to occur. Although with the resounding success of this last job I'm not sure I could afford to pay you off anymore.
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Sylvia Saint
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Posted - 2005.04.19 01:10:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Funny you should mention Endless - did you know I robbed them too?
Istvaan you bas***d.. i was a member of Endless till you emptied its hangers & made it bankrupt and now Ubiqua Seraph.. my allais..
let me ask you this : did you have anything to do with the corp theft on RaiD Enterpraises too?
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.04.19 01:14:00 -
[147]
If it's not signed, it's not mine. Every time I hit a corphangar, I replace the stolen goods with a bookmark containing my name and corporation.
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Shira d'Radonis
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Posted - 2005.04.19 01:18:00 -
[148]
Boy, I have to say, you're pretty sleezy. I mean, that's pretty bad form. Do you like making other people miserable? -----------------------------------------------
ôàquod ad ius naturale attinet, omnes homines aequales suntö
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Mordax Ibrium
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Posted - 2005.04.19 01:21:00 -
[149]
Istvaan is
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Arimas Talasko
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Posted - 2005.04.19 01:48:00 -
[150]
The GHSC elevates the art of corp destruction through thievery from simply pathetic to a considerable level of class. Supremacy Keepin it Real |
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Selena D'Kree
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Posted - 2005.04.19 01:48:00 -
[151]
As much as I hate slavers and would like to see them suffer, this just makes me sick.
It is not the path we chose but the direction in which we chose to travel upon it.
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Detaitiv
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Posted - 2005.04.19 02:24:00 -
[152]
Edited by: Detaitiv on 19/04/2005 02:25:07 Something about this lacks elegance.
Can't argue with concrete results though.
Karma.
Now, time to play find the stolen bpo auctions.
Edit. grammar is not my friend.
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Aja Jin
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Posted - 2005.04.19 02:37:00 -
[153]
My family have thought and discused this and finaly have come to this conclusion. There are as many different eve's as there are people who live in this galaxy.
Some of us live our character and for those coping with deception is part of this life. (ie if you are Full RPG this is part of it and ok to do such a thing)
If eve is but a shadow of your life and evil heart on other planes and you use eve to live out your character faults it is not well done. (if you are a real **** and you are only here to give grief its not ok)
If eve is but a game and you fight and joust between each other with honour this was not honourable (if you are a PvP er this was a ****ty act)
My family feels that your bragging says that you are probably the middle one. (are you a real a***hole or is it all a rpg character .. there are quite a few pure pvp Merc corps who will give a discount for your death contract)
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Levin Cavil
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Posted - 2005.04.19 02:41:00 -
[154]
Edited by: Levin Cavil on 19/04/2005 08:08:25 Istvaan, and GHSC, you have the respect and admiration of the entire PvP community for greifing that lamer.
Congratulations on your acquisition.
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<Hammerhead> we can't do anything that requires programming
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Leto VanTong
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Posted - 2005.04.19 02:43:00 -
[155]
Dont go calling yourself a merc corp. That would give merc corps a bad name. |
Leto VanTong
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Posted - 2005.04.19 02:44:00 -
[156]
Originally by: Levin Cavil Edited by: Levin Cavil on 19/04/2005 02:42:10 Istvaan, and GHSC, you have the respect and admiration of the entire combat community for greifing that lamer.
Congratulations on your acquisition.
YOu speak for the entire combat community?!?! |
Levin Cavil
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Posted - 2005.04.19 02:53:00 -
[157]
Originally by: Leto VanTong
YOu speak for the entire combat community?!?!
Yes, I do. I suppose I should be concerned about your opinion but I'm really not sure who you are.
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<Hammerhead> we can't do anything that requires programming
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Azaeren
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Posted - 2005.04.19 03:03:00 -
[158]
Gee i wonder how many players will quit because of your dirty tactics this time, eh istvaan? ---------------------------------------------
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Joaquin Farrad
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Posted - 2005.04.19 03:12:00 -
[159]
Originally by: Azaeren Gee i wonder how many players will quit because of your dirty tactics this time, eh istvaan?
More than you can count on your dirty little fingers, that's for sure. ____________________________________
Eve's only fashionable, narcotic-mad, sexual deviant... |
Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.04.19 03:20:00 -
[160]
Quote: Gee i wonder how many players will quit because of your dirty tactics this time, eh istvaan?
Maybe a couple, maybe a lot. People quit for all kinds of reasons, and in this line of work you can't help but be one of them.
It's unfortunate everyone is so wrapped up in the heist portion of our strike against Mirial - in doing so, you completely neglect what has got to be the most impressive (and potentially risky for us) ship-to-ship engagement in the history of Eve. I only have a partial snippet of the kill mail, but I figured I'd share it anyway:
Quote: Victim: Mirial Corporation: Ubiqua Seraph Destroyed Type: Apocalypse Navy Issue Solar System: Haras System Security Level: 0.3
Involved parties:
Name: Arenis Xemdal (laid the final blow) Security Status: 0.4 Corporation: Ubiqua Seraph Ship Type: Apocalypse Imperial Issue
The paste I got cuts off there, I suppose Arenis will have to fill in the rest tomorrow. I feel, however, that using a nine billion ISK ship - of which only two remain in the game - to kill a three billion ISK ship of considerable rarity has a certain weight of beauty to it.
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Klaryssa
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Posted - 2005.04.19 03:56:00 -
[161]
If it truly was a planned job, then you've done well. I won't say congratulations, because you probably just ruined a whole bunch of peoples enjoyment of EVE.
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Sarkos
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Posted - 2005.04.19 03:56:00 -
[162]
Considering this act was against a corporation of slavers who relish in the misery thier ways bring upon my people, I can only congratulate you on helping the cause in your own unique way.
Considering you were hired and contracted by another, I must applaud your skills and talents in this business venture. You have my recognition as being what you have excelled at, that of cold, efficient and absolutely meathodical in the manner of execution.
*Sarkos leaves to change every passcode*
Sarkos
Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
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Kular
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Posted - 2005.04.19 03:58:00 -
[163]
You are scum like no other.... the fact that Concord has all the evidence they need to ban you permantly from Empire Space and yet does nothing amazes me..
To all those applauding these grievers... get a clue.... they didn't do anything great... or original.... all they did was publicise their crimes.
They destroyed not only the life of their contract(which would have been perfectly fine) But they have destroyed or seriously demolished the lives of dozens of others who had NOTHING to do with why this contract was taken out....
the GHSC are the scum of the UNIVERSE.... no-one should ever trust them, talk to them, link themselves in any way to them ever again. They were to cowardly to just kill their contract.... they had to steal from people who merely knew their contract as well....
You are pathetic Istvaan.... your crimes are the worst I've ever seen and I hope you will pay for them... I certaintly will make the effort to see you do.
Home of Ubiqua Seraph Eve's only all Sarum loyal corporation. |
Sleazy Cabbie
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Posted - 2005.04.19 03:58:00 -
[164]
How much would it take to sell out your own corp mates, your best friend, to sell your own mother into prostitution, how much isk would that take, how do they know you're not just "social engineering" them.
Once you get into a life of LCS (lying cheating stealing) you never become the same person, never capable of trust and friendship, viewing others only as predators or prey, only in terms of what they want from you, or what they can do for you, or what you can take from them.
You have my condolences for what you have become Istvaan.
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Carla Jackson
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Posted - 2005.04.19 04:09:00 -
[165]
gg on the successful heist
Originally by: Aja Jin My family have thought and discused this and finaly have come to this conclusion. There are as many different eve's as there are people who live in this galaxy.
Some of us live our character and for those coping with deception is part of this life. (ie if you are Full RPG this is part of it and ok to do such a thing)
If eve is but a shadow of your life and evil heart on other planes and you use eve to live out your character faults it is not well done. (if you are a real **** and you are only here to give grief its not ok)
If eve is but a game and you fight and joust between each other with honour this was not honourable (if you are a PvP er this was a ****ty act)
My family feels that your bragging says that you are probably the middle one. (are you a real a***hole or is it all a rpg character .. there are quite a few pure pvp Merc corps who will give a discount for your death contract)
There are some people that are purely untouchable. (if you have to translate your own drivel then you're kind of a tard)
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.04.19 04:15:00 -
[166]
Quote: To all those applauding these grievers... get a clue.... they didn't do anything great... or original.... all they did was publicise their crimes.
Actually, I don't believe anyone has ever destroyed an Amarr Navy Apocalypse with an Imperial Apocalypse before. That's pretty original.
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Kular
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Posted - 2005.04.19 04:27:00 -
[167]
then why didn't you stop there... what compelled you to go beyond killing your contract and drowing the lives of many others who had nothing to do with her?
You think you did your job.... think again you've failed.
You were contracted to destroy Mirial completly... you've made many people who were not so sure they could trust her turn the other way.... hatreted for you has brought them together.
Pathetic- Try and mask what you did as anything else... it was simply an extravagant CORP THEFT.
Arenis- you have failed misrably... How dumb are you... you knew perfectly well how to truly destroy Mirial... isk and ships wasn't it.....
Home of Ubiqua Seraph Eve's only all Sarum loyal corporation. |
Joaquin Farrad
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Posted - 2005.04.19 04:29:00 -
[168]
Edited by: Joaquin Farrad on 19/04/2005 04:30:27
Originally by: Sleazy Cabbie How much would it take to sell out your own corp mates, your best friend, to sell your own mother into prostitution, how much isk would that take, how do they know you're not just "social engineering" them.
Individually, it'd be more money than you could ever dream of, even then the member would have to pose a serious threat to Istvaan. Cute litle sublimital message there, I make implants that do a better job though.
Quote: Once you get into a life of LCS (lying cheating stealing) you never become the same person, never capable of trust and friendship, viewing others only as predators or prey, only in terms of what they want from you, or what they can do for you, or what you can take from them.
Congradulations from graduating from college! I understand you've protested war and fur coats and child labor laws, always sat on the liberal team during debates, and held part time jobs in family owned coffee shops. Welcome to the cut-throat no-mercy business world!
Cigar?
Quote: You have my condolences for what you have become Istvaan.
Become? He's always been like this as far back as I've known him, and that's quite a few years. ____________________________________
Eve's only fashionable, narcotic-mad, sexual deviant... |
Sleazy Cabbie
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Posted - 2005.04.19 04:32:00 -
[169]
Edited by: Sleazy Cabbie on 19/04/2005 04:33:59 Hmm. A member of Star Fraction supporting GHSC. That's very interesting.
Isn't Star at war with CVA?
And isn't the victim an Amarr RP corp? I see they're not members of CVA but still, I find this angle fascinating.
Could a member of Star Fraction be the mysterious "employer?"
I would not be surprised if some people feel the need to win "by any means necessary." snipped - Grosvenor Corama
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Joaquin Farrad
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Posted - 2005.04.19 04:36:00 -
[170]
Originally by: Kular You are scum like no other.... the fact that Concord has all the evidence they need to ban you permantly from Empire Space and yet does nothing amazes me.
Funny you should say that, You know how many times CONCORD, DED, and ISD have tried to infiltrate the Shogaatsu family? Not that it matters, but they've failed every time. ____________________________________
Eve's only fashionable, narcotic-mad, sexual deviant... |
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Pulgor
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Posted - 2005.04.19 04:42:00 -
[171]
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Actually, I don't believe anyone has ever destroyed an Amarr Navy Apocalypse with an Imperial Apocalypse before. That's pretty original.
It's probably the biggest steal in history, so I would say it's all fairly well seated in the ream of origionality.
I am glad there is a good outpouring of moral support for UQS. Personally I've just sent Mirial 3 million ISK to show my support for the UQS corporation (A paultry amount, but when I only have 20 Million, I consider 1/8th of my savings a significant amount). I would hope that others would be willing to delve into their pocketbooks a little, considering the situation and the sheer massive amount of money.
I trust UQS has the ambition and drive to rebuild what they have lost, they got the first 30 billion through hard work so I have no doubt they could do it a second time. Then again maybe I'm a fool. Considering I am starting from scratch again, I feel I have to believe someone else can or else I am doomed to failure.
I do have to salute Istvaan and his corp mates on a plot well executed. It sure is a low, underhanded thing they did, however 30 billion, most people won't make that in their entire eve career, heck, most corps won't either. That demands some respect, that's not an amount of money that you just talk about like you're tossing it around. Also, engaging a hardined combat pilot in a 9 billion ISK ship (Also an amount that one dosn't just toss around) is very risky as well.
Now people may want to burn me at the stake for saying that, but I showed my support with physical means. 3 Million ISK, not a lot, but more then moral support. I didn't give the GH-SC any money, however I have to respect that their good at what they do and I run Ammatar Arms with that in mind. I'd recommend other folks do the same, because with this, I'm sure they're going to get a lot more clients. -----------------------------------
Pulgor --- In service to Saram. Visit the Ammatar channel ingame!
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Posted - 2005.04.19 04:46:00 -
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I'm not gona read all this but....omfg
I thought molle was evil.
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Joaquin Farrad
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Posted - 2005.04.19 04:49:00 -
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Edited by: Joaquin Farrad on 19/04/2005 04:53:00
Originally by: Sleazy Cabbie Edited by: Sleazy Cabbie on 19/04/2005 04:33:59 Hmm. A member of Star Fraction supporting GHSC. That's very interesting.
Isn't Star at war with CVA?
And isn't the victim an Amarr RP corp? I see they're not members of CVA but still, I find this angle fascinating.
Could a member of Star Fraction be the mysterious "employer?"
I would not be surprised if some people feel the need to win "by any means necessary."
Oh behave, if anything you should know by now is that SF has more individual personalities than conformist alliance doctorine.
To pop your balloon, I, nor the SF, did not employ the GHSC to assassinate Mirial. Personally, I have no reason to assassinate someone, niether does the SF. I'm in the SF simply because it's as much freedom as you can get in 0.0
As for my support? I've worked with Mr. Shogaatsu on many occations, every time being more fun than the next. I am overjoyed as to the success of this operation, and take more joy in scoffing ugly sub-human neanderthals who think it's cool to conform with everyone's response to this event.
Past that, there's nothing more of any trivial substance you can add to this conversation. Swing on back home to the zoo from tree to tree. Your absence from this conversation will not be missed!
Toodle-la! ____________________________________
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HostageTaker
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Posted - 2005.04.19 04:52:00 -
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I love the killmail!
Oh, and if it's true that Mirial was known for scammin' and other similar activity, then yeah, nicely played!
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jamesw
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Posted - 2005.04.19 04:57:00 -
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Quote: Victim: Mirial Corporation: Ubiqua Seraph Destroyed Type: Apocalypse Navy Issue Solar System: Haras System Security Level: 0.3
Involved parties:
Name: Arenis Xemdal (laid the final blow) Security Status: 0.4 Corporation: Ubiqua Seraph Ship Type: Apocalypse Imperial Issue
I think this sums up GHSC in its entirety.
ANY old pirate can kill a navy apoc - all it would take is a few gankgeddons and a scorpion or 2. These guys perform their role as the lowlife mercenary scum of eve to perfection, and with a level of both class and brutality that is unsurpassed.
Just look at the 10 pages of mixed congratulations, flames, and lowlife stabs in the dark at linking characters to find out why.
Being able to do and read about things like this is what make the game of eve so great for me. -- jamesw Rubra Libertas Militia
Originally by: RollinDutchMasters I fly a dominix, its like a portable blob in a can
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Vex Seraphim
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Posted - 2005.04.19 05:14:00 -
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Simply beautiful. Respect to GHSC for another well-planned operation \o/ ------------------- :: finite horizon :: killboard ::
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Sapater
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Posted - 2005.04.19 05:19:00 -
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Well Hellgremlin, knowing your past record in beta with all the crap and bull*hit you pulled in EC I can't say this surprises me one bit. And I also have to say you really are the scum you made yourself out to be. Congratulations.
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Soren
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Posted - 2005.04.19 05:41:00 -
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That kill mail wins
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ConjuredShadows
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Posted - 2005.04.19 05:55:00 -
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I've always held respect for thieves and the honor code they live by (whichever version that may be). While I do agree that this may not have destroyed Mirial as the contract seems to have stated, it's certainly a well executed operation. I'm personally in favor of bloodless and traceless theft, so don't really care for the destruction of the ship and such. The pure number of isk stolen seems to make up for any such ethical issues though.
From one ex-spy (thief of words) to a current mercenary (thief of whatever isn't nailed down), well played Shogaatsu.
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jamesw
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Posted - 2005.04.19 06:16:00 -
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I know I am crossposting this quote, but its relevant... so bite me...
Originally by: Meridius You gave Arenis control of over 30billion in assets
Says it all really. -- jamesw Rubra Libertas Militia
Originally by: RollinDutchMasters I fly a dominix, its like a portable blob in a can
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.04.19 06:22:00 -
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Originally by: Raem Civrie I would like to put forward a few facts.
In large corporations, how many people are usually in the role of directors and/or spokesmen? Not only did our operatives rise up in the ranks of UQS, they had the will to push through with it. The amount of planning put into the operation, and the co-ordination those that carried it out displayed during the actual event itself (execution of Mirial and theft in tandem, for one), is the reason why I'm immensely proud of my brethren in GHSC.
This wasn't just a corptheft. This was a surgical strike, a carefully planned and executed joint action between several agents of the Guiding Hand.
To those that say that our men have nothing to be proud of; you are wrong.
Our people have every reason to be proud of this, a culmination of months of work and dedicated planning. You may not agree with the course of action our agents decided to follow, but don't underestimate the sheer scale of the operation, nor the effort required to synchronize it's execution.
Raem Civrie, Guiding Hand Operative
Says it all.
The kill mail rules.
I could never do this sort of thing. It's just not in my nature. Yet despite any personal feelings from myself or anyone else, the fact that Istvaan never breaks character and the fact that they have chosen this role and continue to fulfill it to perfection within EVE demands respect. -
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Hastrabull
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Posted - 2005.04.19 06:25:00 -
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Great Job in my opinion Great coordination, organization and dedication!
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.04.19 06:35:00 -
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This thread here certainly weeds the carebears from the killers!
Hehe.
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Kular
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Posted - 2005.04.19 07:13:00 -
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Sure does... because a war dec could have easily gotten mirial killed and podded.. no need to waste 5-10 months of your life and mine....
but oh well I'll go back to fighting while GHSC can go back to sleeping with victums for thrills.... Home of Ubiqua Seraph Eve's only all Sarum loyal corporation. |
Vex Seraphim
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Posted - 2005.04.19 07:31:00 -
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Originally by: Kular Sure does... because a war dec could have easily gotten mirial killed and podded.. no need to waste 5-10 months of your life and mine....
Not true. all a war declaration would accomplish is for you guys to get into punishers and once-a-year undock. ------------------- :: finite horizon :: killboard ::
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Arenis Xemdal
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Posted - 2005.04.19 07:32:00 -
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Originally by: Kular Sure does... because a war dec could have easily gotten mirial killed and podded.. no need to waste 5-10 months of your life and mine....
but oh well I'll go back to fighting while GHSC can go back to sleeping with victums for thrills....
That was discussed. Based on the fact that Mirial offlined her systems during every single combat encounter with enemy forces, it was concluded that the chances of downing the Navy Apocalypse, much less seeing it in space during an active war, were next to nothing.
The assault from my Imperial Apocalypse was met with the same strategy, but thankfully the few extra seconds given were enough. I also came prepared for the pod with a pair of large explosive smartbombs.
Without such an advantage in positioning and intelligence, there would be no way that Mirial's frozen carcass would sit in my hangar this very moment. It was the only object our client asked to retain.
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A'rdan Vulpayne
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Posted - 2005.04.19 07:48:00 -
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Edited by: A''rdan Vulpayne on 19/04/2005 07:51:14 Edited by: A''rdan Vulpayne on 19/04/2005 07:49:51
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 18/04/2005 15:34:09 Our target was assigned to us many months ago û Mirial of Ubiqua Seraph.
Mirial was the target? Arenis was long enough a director and a member of UQS to know, what kind of stuff Mirial inserted into UQS ... and the stealing of all stuff from UQS shows only that Arenis is a isk and publisity wicked dabbler ...
punishing many ppls for private vendetas? collateral damage?
harrasment of ppls? "That is not an exploit of any kind but simply the way the game is designed."
shame on the GM for doing nothing against such a destroying of fun, rl-time and rl-money from the ppl whos innocent and paying a lot of money for a game should be the best ... for me was this game the best by now!
Amarr Empire - Home of Ubiqua Seraph
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Bastables
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Posted - 2005.04.19 08:21:00 -
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Edited by: Bastables on 19/04/2005 08:31:15
Originally by: Arenis Xemdal
Originally by: Kular Sure does... because a war dec could have easily gotten mirial killed and podded.. no need to waste 5-10 months of your life and mine....
but oh well I'll go back to fighting while GHSC can go back to sleeping with victums for thrills....
That was discussed. Based on the fact that Mirial offlined her systems during every single combat encounter with enemy forces, it was concluded that the chances of downing the Navy Apocalypse, much less seeing it in space during an active war, were next to nothing.
The assault from my Imperial Apocalypse was met with the same strategy, but thankfully the few extra seconds given were enough. I also came prepared for the pod with a pair of large explosive smartbombs.
Without such an advantage in positioning and intelligence, there would be no way that Mirial's frozen carcass would sit in my hangar this very moment. It was the only object our client asked to retain.
A client who's been slammed for sexual harrasment against Mirial before?
Ironicly enough you avioded combat vurses mOo as well during that period. Now I know why.
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DUFFMANX
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Posted - 2005.04.19 08:28:00 -
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Perfection in its execution yes. Cowardly played id have to say no cos they admit it. But dispicable, yes it is no matter who the target is but the fact the target is\was\maybe a scammer herself could it be justified from a contract hit
Originally by: Seleene the fact that Istvaan never breaks character and the fact that they have chosen this role and continue to fulfill it to perfection within EVE demands respect.
Seleene id have to disagree with u here cos in everything respect cant just be demanded cos of 1 person\groups actions, at the end of the day respect is earned. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
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Icomeinpeace
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Posted - 2005.04.19 08:31:00 -
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Well I'll add one more thing on this topic.
Basically it seems everything worked out perfect for the GHSC plan and they have what they wanted.
However, I really don't think it's that hard to do and in my opinion this should not be allowed TO A CERTAIN EXTENT.
Seeing as there are many different age groups in this game as well as personalities, I don't really think it's very fair to allow this sort of thing considering it's really not that hard to do.Especially with all the alts and accounts being sold to different people.I do think there should at least be beter warnings to players who may be naive or who just don't know beter.
This sort of stuff could indeed ruin this game if all the sudden enough players decide "Oh well GHSC did this sort of thing and got rich, maybe I can do it too".Then you have a bunch of spies who are probably older and more experienced with this game than their victims, taking advantage of the fact that maybe a new player is just looking for someone to hang out and play a game with.
I'm not sure if what I'm saying makes any sense but basically, I do understand the whole spy thing and this was very well done.But somehow it's just not right considdering the Eve player base is so large and versatile.
Is it right for an experienced, Eve playing adult, to take advantage of a kid who has just started to grasp to concept of Eve?
You could be that kid...
There is a fine line to what is being done here and although I'm not sure where the line needs to be drawn, I do think it needs to be drawn somewhere.
Anyhow gg again GHSC, although I really don't think it's that hard.I'm sure I could do the same thing but it's not in my character.
They could have indeed stopped it through the game mechanics, but something about this just doesn't sit well with me.
Can't there at least be beter warnings to players who may not have read the f.a.q?
I am just looking out for the little guy.
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Jorund Bork
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Posted - 2005.04.19 08:31:00 -
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Edited by: Jorund Bork on 19/04/2005 09:15:50 There is little doubt that this operation was executed well, but it is unfortunate that the rest of UQS have been made to suffer for Mirials shortcomings.
You can be sure that those T2 BPo's and other assets were earned by the hardwork of the UQS corp members (as well as the underhand tactics of Mirial), and you can be sure that this will affect their RL enjoyment of EVE.
If whoever took out the contract had a grudge with Mirial, they should have kept it against her and not punished the whole corp for association.
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Icomeinpeace
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Posted - 2005.04.19 08:36:00 -
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I think another thing that bothers me about this sort of thing is the fact that not all of it actually takes place in game.
But can also take place out of game on ts, through emails, and on irc.
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Harketh
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Posted - 2005.04.19 08:48:00 -
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Edited by: Harketh on 19/04/2005 08:49:21 I would have to agree with just about everything Icomeinpeace said.
It's all very impressive, nice heist etc but I do think you went 'too far' you crossed a line that may not really be visible or programmed in as such but it's a line that I think many know is simply there.
It's not the stealing that concerns me so much as the whole idea of befriending someone for 10 months purely to betray, destroy and very probably dimish their capacity to trust. The later of which may or may not be a bad thing. One thing I do know is this is sure as hell an example of the darker side of humanity at work in Eve, perhaps a little too much so for a game as this has the capability to reach beyond Eve. I know it has affected me beyond the confines of the game, which I am sure will please Istvaan no end, it has dimished my already somewhat jaded beleif in mankind even more.
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Arenis Xemdal
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Posted - 2005.04.19 08:53:00 -
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Bastables, your psyche was the easiest to manipulate of them all. You do not question that which is given to you. For this, you will always be the subordinate and not the leader you wish to be.
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2005.04.19 09:15:00 -
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Locking this because of all the OOC referances, you can discuss the topic here without any IC or OOC limitations. However, this also means we will look stricter on what is a personal attack or not.
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage Mail [email protected] if you have any questions. |
Cary Grant
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Posted - 2005.04.19 09:21:00 -
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Originally by: Harketh Edited by: Harketh on 19/04/2005 08:49:21 I would have to agree with just about everything Icomeinpeace said.
It's all very impressive, nice heist etc but I do think you went 'too far' you crossed a line that may not really be visible or programmed in as such but it's a line that I think many know is simply there.
It's not the stealing that concerns me so much as the whole idea of befriending someone for 10 months purely to betray, destroy and very probably dimish their capacity to trust. The later of which may or may not be a bad thing. One thing I do know is this is sure as hell an example of the darker side of humanity at work in Eve, perhaps a little too much so for a game as this has the capability to reach beyond Eve. I know it has affected me beyond the confines of the game, which I am sure will please Istvaan no end, it has dimished my already somewhat jaded beleif in mankind even more.
What the? Hey look, if this video game affects you to that capacity, then perhaps your monthly fee to CCP can have a much greater impact if you gave it Unicef or some starving kids in Ethiopia. It is NOT real life, you are NOT a captain of a spaceship so get a reality check here.
Furthermore, I do not personally know any of the Guiding Hand corp, but there is no doubt in my mind, that crew played this GAME to a capacity and level unheard of since Eve went retail. Good/Bad/Right/Wrong etc. etc. They MASTERED then rewrote the art of deceptive corporate infiltration tactics.
This is MY (Cary Grant)'s personal view on this, and in NO way shape or form is reflective on my corporation and it's members views and/or ideals. Just ME.
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