Another quality thread brought by SFKFK.

In b4 the lock.

So, AFKers, you fail economics forever.

ah i love you GCSE business students.

once your teacher has covered motivation theory, come back here and realise how amusing and incorrect you are.

ah i love you GCSE business students.

once your teacher has covered motivation theory, come back here and realise how amusing and incorrect you are.

So for AFK ice mining do you prefer the mackinaw or skiff types?

depends, ship and fittings largely depend on the length of the episode of each tv show. i like to time it so that my cargo is full at roughly the same time as the episode ends, or slightly longer if i need to grab snacks, or stuff like that.

This is the exact kind of person who I am going after in my post

Do you watch Firefly too?

depends, ship and fittings largely depend on the length of the episode of each tv show. i like to time it so that my cargo is full at roughly the same time as the episode ends, or slightly longer if i need to grab snacks, or stuff like that.

Yes they do. The AFK will stop reading here and flame me, but you won't

Although AFK mining will always generate an accounting profit (your ISK quantity goes up), AFK mining is one of the worst activities imaginable for making money.

It's the worst but it's better than making zero ISK and it comes with the equivalent effort of staying logged off.

So to talk along your line, the opportunity cost of making little ISK with zero effort is more favorable than making zero ISK with zero effort.

It's the worst but it's better than making zero ISK and it comes with the equivalent effort of staying logged off.

So to talk along your line, the opportunity cost of making little ISK with zero effort is more favorable than making zero ISK with zero effort.

Not on a macroeconomical scale, it isn't.

Devaluing professions through non-stop zero-effort resource uptake is not good for Eve.

Here's a thought: you do pay for electricity right? you could have invested an hour of effort to make far more than you made leaving your system on all day AFK mining and then saved on power.

For the unenlightened, please explain how it's worse than mining with someone at the keyboard.

Here's a thought: you do pay for electricity right? you could have invested an hour of effort to make far more than you made leaving your system on all day AFK mining and then saved on power.

Of course you're making money, I acknowledged that.

Devaluing professions through non-stop zero-effort resource uptake is not good for Eve.

incorrect assumption #2; the computer is only on in order to play eve.

in fact, if i did it your way it'd cost me more money on my bills because i'd have spent an hour playing eve and i wouldn't have got anything else done so i'd then have to spend more time with the computer on to get things finished...

I am not that much of a miner (I trade) but in any case, trading while mining justifies the electricity.

Watching a video while mining => the computer uses like 5 more watts out of 700 it's using anyway so.... who cares for those 5W?




Hey, in most other games mining is not this hideous farce we got in EvE.
Make it less craptastic of a mechanic and you'll magically see people willing to actually play it.

That'd be fine..

People at keyboards have limits. Limits are actually good for economies. They reinforce minimum values, rather than allowing them to sag indefinitely.

When everyone can gather resources with zero effort those resources' value sufferes. As a result, the value of the profession as a whole suffers, too.

Only when resources are finite in availability will there be no difference between a miner ATK and a bot/AFK miner.

Thanks for the great question.

Make it less craptastic of a mechanic and you'll magically see people willing to actually play it.

You're welcome! I have more:

When they're sitting at their keyboard, does it matter where their eyes are pointing?
What if they're at the keyboard but asleep?
How do wireless keyboards fit into this scheme?
What's the impact of running EVE and Firefly on the same display? While sleeping?
In what units are you measuring effort (as in "zero effort")?

Only the last question deserves any answer.

Effort is described in terms of work, or force divided by distance, to achieve it.

In this case I'm going to use Joules (J) for the unit. Nevertheless, a zero value here is equal to a zero value for any other unit of work I'm familiar with.

I hope that helps.

incorrect assumption #2; the computer is only on in order to play eve.