please tell me more about how your corp happily gave everyone all the necessary rights to start a production from scratch ...

oh, and **** those who want a cozy living in 00, but don't want to attend CTAs while at the same time complaining about getting hazed by being expected to sell their products for a reasonable price

Because in nullsec, it's "easy" to mine enough Tritanium giving ores in order to keep alive a supercapital producing blob.

No.


You can, though, crash the market on highend minerals though

Well if GSF falls because of not enough trit to build more supers, I say good.

Well maybe if instead of rampaging across the universe gobbling up everyones space you fortified a local logistics system you would be able to. Plenty of armies have failed because of just that premise. We have more people and better gear so let's attack everyone. Well if GSF falls because of not enough trit to build more supers, I say good.

there is no such thing as not being able to pilot a combat ship. every single ceptor is important. and if you cant fly those, prepare cynos with your twentyleven mining characters. or do probing. or make warpin/out spots with your covops, or make sure that those who died can buy a replacement ship from you (for a reasonable price ofc)

oh, and i was not talking about jita prices, i was talking about reasonable prices

Did you know that in SovNull you can only have one OUTPOST per system?

Did you also know that you get to pick research or production as that OUTPOST'S function?

Did you know those facilities are extremely limited?

How do you fortify beyond an OUTPOST in every system? How exactly?

Have you actually flown in a nullsec fleet? It's harder to get people to trust you to light cynos than to get rights to anchor POSes. People are paranoid to the point that they will not jump to cynos they didn't light with their own alts, and even then they'll double-check.

Reasonable prices for the person running the factory are not always "reasonable" to the pilots blowing up a dozen cruisers and battleships every night.

And why the heck would nullsec industry rely on trusting "everyone" with the rights to anchor POSes? That's the most nonsensical strawman argument I've seen for some time.

FTFY

You can anchor POSes on every single moon. You can do research and manfacture at (just about) every POS. Some POSes will be entirely dedicated to jump bridges, CSAAs or CSMAs.

because you need these rights in order to set up and maintain enough production, research and invention slots

and thats mostly because the system is stupid

because you need these rights in order to set up and maintain enough production, research and invention slots

No, it's because the pilots have unreasonable expectations: "I can buy this ship for 200M ISK in Jita, why is it 300M ISK here in the arse end of Branch?" Well, because it costs more to either buy the ship in Jita and jump freighter it down, or collect the minerals and manufacture locally.

Incorrect. You only need one person in the corporation with the rights to anchor anything.

Everyone else only needs rent slot, wallet access & factory manager role.

Thus all your untrusted newbies get put into the low end industry corp which has the research & invention labs dealing with lower end equipment.

The worst that they can do is cancel some research jobs and run away with the BPOs that end up in hangars that they have access to, or cancel invention jobs (and end up with nothing, because everything is consumed in the invention attempt).

Thus the newbie corp can have seven levels of trust (e.g.: jobs worth 1M, 10M, 100M, 1B ISK).

The main reason that people don't want industry in nullsec is that with the industry infrastructure comes the responsibility of defending that infrastructure.

If you want farms & fields to burn in the other guy's territory, you have to stop the other guys burning your farms and fields.

Perhaps make said 'epic' ores from lowsec etc. make better quality ships? i.e. 'named' basic ship-hulls. I must admit I'm just throwing a wild thought at the topic, good or bad idgaf.

You are correct about the outposts.

But whether you like it / agree with it or not, current g¦¦a¦¦m¦¦e¦¦ ¦¦m¦¦e¦¦c¦¦h¦¦a¦¦n¦¦i¦¦c¦¦s¦¦ ¦¦ alliance policies do not allow for those moons to be occupied by rank-and-file members.

It's that simple.

While the corp interface is possibly the most broken part of this game and has been since forever, 0.0 manufacturing is bad because the players have made it so.

Wait.

Like the named ships get bonuses by sec?

I don't follow.

While the corp interface is possibly the most broken part of this game and has been since forever, 0.0 manufacturing is bad because the players have made it so.

yeah, because it was players who introduced the following (and other) mechanics:

- all or nothing for corp roles (all POS or no POS, all jobs or no jobs ...)
- limit of 7 hangar divisions and wallet divisions
- 1 outpost per system
- no viable combination of refining capability and production slots
- absolutely terrible corp management
- absolutely terrible pos management

see, totally player made problems

This.

More Tritanium in null please.

Do null seccers still buy Passive Targeters to transport trit? Passive Targeters got their compression ratio nerfed, but they are still 100% trit.

yeah, because it was players who introduced the following (and other) mechanics:

- all or nothing for corp roles (all POS or no POS, all jobs or no jobs ...)
- limit of 7 hangar divisions and wallet divisions
- 1 outpost per system
- no viable combination of refining capability and production slots
- absolutely terrible corp management
- absolutely terrible pos management

see, totally player made problems

one of the problems of industry in 00 is the LACK of tritanium...

please do your homework before posting here

So....

Veldspar isn't in nullsec?
Ark is 37.5% trit
Crok is 25% trit
Ochre is 25% trit
Spod is 85% trit
Hem is 39.8% trit

There is plenty of trit in nullsec, just that miners naturally want the highest pay day for what they're mining rather than what is needed in the area.

Its pretty simple, do the math if minin trit will make a ship cost you more in the long run just keep mining abc, if not there is enough veld in 0.0 so stop whining about spod.

Simple idea worth considering: add higher quality ores, proportional to sec status (I'm looking specifically at lowsec as its underpopulated in terms of Indys atm.

for example Awesomesauce Veldspar +15%, Epic Veldspar +20% etc..
This would help to make it worth the while of mining in lowsec which presents many challenges to a miner, without offering a sufficient rewards.

The idea being to improve a miners efficiency to compete with, even exceed what is possible by AFK mining in hisec. Lets face it, miners are not going to mine somewhere that is dangerous for less profit. because thats stupid.


ok and optionally reduce the ore quality in hisec (this is all for balance, you'll get the exact same result if you buff everything but hisec, just with less crying.

so now we have a growing community of indys and miners in dangerous space (because its now actually worth it)

AFK mining is less profitable (good)

would be a step towards increasing the value of null ores, as the supply of low ends would increase.

discuss/flame away