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Cearain Imperial Outlaws 649	Posted - 2012.11.18 14:54:00 - [31] - Quote SAJUK NIGARRA wrote: I am genuinely asking, why would T2 cruisers in medium plexes would be a problem ? I mean, isk should not really be a problem in FW. As for SP, most of the people complaining here shoudl be able to fly T2/T3 no prob. ... If I was losing t2 ships (let alone t3 ships - but I think t3 are allowed in now.) at the rate I lose t1 ships, I would be bankrupt. This means I would need to either spend more time carebearing missions or I would need to stop taking as many fights where I know I have significant chance of losing. Thus this means less pvp for me. And I am sure I am not the only one. SAJUK NIGARRA wrote: And even if FW should have a low entry barrier (which tbh I don;t agree with because it means agreeing with linear progression), am sure with the changes to T1 cruisers, new guys can still hep with ewar and stuff. Plus a lot of ppl in HACs and such will give newer guys something to aspire to ... I agree fw shoudln't be marketed as something to get started in pvp. I think the frequent small scale pvp is one of the most challenging types of pvp. It should just be marketed as great pvp. Null sec alliances seem much more new player friendly. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Zarnak Wulf Imperial Outlaws 733	Posted - 2012.11.18 14:57:00 - [32] - Quote Many T2 cruisers are out of favor and don't scare me that much. T2 logistics are great - but the new maulus will shut down a Guardian quite handily. Hardly anyone flies HACs anymore as well. They need to be rebalanced. The greatest complaint you will see in the future with regards to T2 cruisers in mediums will be cloaky traps with Rapiers, Falcons, etc. And with all the new logistic ships I see that as necessary evil. If you go into a system with a WT and there is a medium open - don't go in! Upshipping as an argument I understand but it's rather moot. People will always try to bring the perfect counter. If you're known to fly an AC Thrasher and you see a condor on short scan - better get on the warp in fast or get out. The spot I'm not on board with is T3 cruisers being allowed into mediums. They have the mobility of a cruiser, the firepower of a BC, and the tank of a BS. They won't be rebalanced until down the road and off grid boosting is still at least six months away. It's just a bad call to let them into mediums.
X Gallentius Justified Chaos 630	Posted - 2012.11.18 15:57:00 - [33] - Quote LOL at T3 cruisers in medium plexes. /me heading to Jita for a few pretei now.
agharaster Hoplite Brigade 2	Posted - 2012.11.18 16:27:00 - [34] - Quote RTSAvalance, Mua'Dib and friends are plexing in auga with a vigilant, some cynabals and rudex in his tengu since 3-4 weeks ago, and that is honestly ruining the game. In fact if they can't win they run, or you spend time waiting for reinforcements to come or some decent booster alt to make things more balanced but its a pain in the ass. Actually there is room for people like them in the game, and we are lucky that there is some left for people like me, always looking for a good fight and always trying to learn something from my mistakes.
Sin Zarah Dreamseeker Industries 3	Posted - 2012.11.18 16:29:00 - [35] - Quote Cearain wrote: This means I would need to either spend more time carebearing missions or I would need to stop taking as many fights where I know I have significant chance of losing. Thus this means less pvp for me. And I am sure I am not the only one. Actually, less PvP for everyone. Those who avoid risk in PvP are dependent for their PvP on those who take risks. On the other hand, the people that do take risk are not dependent on the risk averse players for their PvP.
Cearain Imperial Outlaws 649	Posted - 2012.11.18 16:53:00 - [36] - Quote Zarnak Wulf wrote: Many T2 cruisers are out of favor and don't scare me that much. T2 logistics are great - but the new maulus will shut down a Guardian quite handily. Hardly anyone flies HACs anymore as well. They need to be rebalanced. The greatest complaint you will see in the future with regards to T2 cruisers in mediums will be cloaky traps with Rapiers, Falcons, etc. And with all the new logistic ships I see that as necessary evil. If you go into a system with a WT and there is a medium open - don't go in! Upshipping as an argument I understand but it's rather moot. People will always try to bring the perfect counter. If you're known to fly an AC Thrasher and you see a condor on short scan - better get on the warp in fast or get out. The spot I'm not on board with is T3 cruisers being allowed into mediums. They have the mobility of a cruiser, the firepower of a BC, and the tank of a BS. They won't be rebalanced until down the road and off grid boosting is still at least six months away. It's just a bad call to let them into mediums. Yes not only will we have allot of cloaky recons and logistics making plexing worse, but who wants to fight a deimos in a thorax? The combination of them actually making the plexes involve more expensive ships and having the button closer to warp in, is a recipe for making fw even worse. I'm sure allot of people, whose only idea of pvp involves ganks, will like these changes. But for those who like frequent quality pvp fights, these changes are bad. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
chatgris Quantum Cats Syndicate Drunk 'n' Disorderly 244	Posted - 2012.11.18 17:30:00 - [37] - Quote SAJUK NIGARRA wrote: Well, what is wrong with shipping up ? More shiny explosions. Am sure you would rather kill me in a zealot than an arbitrator .. Actually, not at all. I have just as much fun killing a t1 frigate as I have killing a vindicator - and fighting with small cheap stuff generally means more fights. Possibly more fun since there is usually a lot more individual piloting required for a small ship fight vs a BS ship fight. I'm quite against the t2 cruisers in plexes for a number of reasons a) plexes force diversity though a cap - guardian/ahac/rapier gangs already fight well outside their weight class b) Through removing the crutches of logistics there are a lot less fleets, and a lot more skirmishes (the new logi ships I view as a negative, but that's a totally different discussion: Minus logisitcs people need to be aware of their surroundings, to react to the opposing force and manuveur effectively, to see the early signs that they are next on the list and take mitigating action etc. With logi you just broadcast and wait.). It comes down to this: IMO Fleets require a lot less individual pilot skill than skirmish warfare. And I love plexes because they encourage skirmish warfare through dispersion of force, while most if not all the other combat mechanisms in eve encourage the concentration of force. (NB: FC(s) in a fleet have a TON to do, and that can be an interesting job. But being a grunt in one of those fleets is a snoozefest in comparison. Wait for jump/bridge order, shoot primary, broadcast when shot). It's the cap on ship sizes that really encourages pushing a ship class to it's ultimate limit - 100km sniping cormorants, 10mn AB thrashers, nano gank arbitrators - ships that your opponent will see that is in his weight class and will be more likely to engage, but that you've managed to push into a niche to gain an advantage. Pushing a ship class to it's limits is a lot more interesting than just getting the next ship up. And it's cheaper to boot, which usually means you get more of those fun fight where people just slug it out until the last few men are standing and the field is strewn with wrecks from both sides.
agharaster Hoplite Brigade 2	Posted - 2012.11.18 17:46:00 - [38] - Quote yep, -definitely the new patch will force us to form up gangs and small fleets -and hopefully some new FC will train with t1 cruisers with cheap ships that can cover ewar, logi and dps that seems interesting as a starting point.
Alticus C Bear University of Caille Gallente Federation 95	Posted - 2012.11.18 17:52:00 - [39] - Quote Zarnak Wulf wrote: The greatest complaint you will see in the future with regards to T2 cruisers in mediums will be cloaky traps with Rapiers, Falcons, etc. And with all the new logistic ships I see that as necessary evil. If you go into a system with a WT and there is a medium open - don't go in! Upshipping as an argument I understand but it's rather moot. People will always try to bring the perfect counter. If you're known to fly an AC Thrasher and you see a condor on short scan - better get on the warp in fast or get out. Why would you not be on the warp in? on the test server the beacon is now within 10km of the button. This is another problem with tthe T2 ships like a Deimos they will just sit on the warp in, main problem with plated HAC is speed, hell I may even use an AB instead of a microwarpdrive as long as I am in first the fight will always start at zero. But seriously who will enter to PVP against this wihout major support, means less fights more shooting NPC's waiting for timers. There is nothing wrong with wanting to make use of HACs, changing the NPC's should make them more viable in Majors and there they have competition from Battlecruisers at least.
Zarnak Wulf Imperial Outlaws 733	Posted - 2012.11.18 18:59:00 - [40] - Quote Rookie plexes - All T1 and faction frigates. No destroyers Minor Plexes - All frigates and destroyers. Medium Plexes. - All cruisers. T2 and T3 included. No BC. Major - Everything The medium is where the issue is. I also don't think moving the button is necessary anymore. But I do like using my Naga too....
X Gallentius Justified Chaos 630	Posted - 2012.11.18 19:29:00 - [41] - Quote chatgris wrote: I'm quite against the t2 cruisers in plexes for a number of reasons a) plexes force diversity though a cap - guardian/ahac/rapier gangs already fight well outside their weight class b) Through removing the crutches of logistics there are a lot less fleets, and a lot more skirmishes (the new logi ships I view as a negative, but that's a totally different discussion: Minus logisitcs people need to be aware of their surroundings, to react to the opposing force and manuveur effectively, to see the early signs that they are next on the list and take mitigating action etc. With logi you just broadcast and wait.). +10. Hans. Get on this.
Cearain Imperial Outlaws 649	Posted - 2012.11.18 19:54:00 - [42] - Quote Zarnak Wulf wrote: Rookie plexes - All T1 and faction frigates. No destroyers Minor Plexes - All frigates and destroyers. Medium Plexes. - All cruisers. T2 and T3 included. No BC. Major - Everything The medium is where the issue is. I also don't think moving the button is necessary anymore. But I do like using my Naga too.... Did they change plans? There was a restricted major with bcs and t2 was allowed in minors. At least last I read Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
unbless83 T.R.I.A.D 13	Posted - 2012.11.18 23:52:00 - [43] - Quote ey dave o/ ive always believed that plexes ought to spawn as a result of pvp... rather than be handed out like candy for the taking. eg cruiser fight with cruiser deaths = cruiser plex spawning (to stop re-overshipping also, a system should only be able to be plexed in if its next door to a system your faction already owns. i do love plex fights, and i do love the iskies things generate atm... looking forward to december 4... no wait... PINING FOR IT. o/ Aussies are the unicorns of eve... rare and horny
Trinkets friend Sudden Buggery Swift Angels Alliance 546	Posted - 2012.11.19 04:53:00 - [44] - Quote chatgris wrote: I'm quite against the t2 cruisers in plexes for a number of reasons a) plexes force diversity though a cap - guardian/ahac/rapier gangs already fight well outside their weight class b) Through removing the crutches of logistics there are a lot less fleets, and a lot more skirmishes (the new logi ships I view as a negative, but that's a totally different discussion: Minus logisitcs people need to be aware of their surroundings, to react to the opposing force and manuveur effectively, to see the early signs that they are next on the list and take mitigating action etc. With logi you just broadcast and wait.). This is bollocks. Firstly, you need to have a ship which can survive the DPS long enough to get reps. Then you need to keep your logi chain alive, and unjammed by swarms of EC drones, un-damped by any Maulus' around, etc. You are relying on logi pilots who are reading their notifications window and reacting properly. If all this is satisfied, then yes, hit broadcast and wait. Otherwise, you wait for reps that don't land and you pop. Secondly, as the logi strength decreases, and the size of your buffer decreases, the margin for error goes down. Given you have never, ever had a go at frigate RR (I can almost guarantee this) you don't have a clue about how quickly you will evaporate under even a minor amount of DPS. Hence, logi frigs are not going to blot out the sun and neither are T1 logi cruisers. Its been possible to run Ospreys and Execqurors as effective T1 logi for years, but the effectiveness has been fairly marginal at the best of times, and that won't change post-patch. Certainly not to the point of everyone blobbing up and taking logi. AHAC gangs work well in 2010. If you want to get SRS BSNS, you up-ship to T3 armour/guardian gangs. AHACs work well vs RR BS due to sig tanking and logistics; they are hopeless vs shield nano and tier 3 sniper BCs. Given you almost never see RR BS in FW, you also rarely see real AHAC gangs - including flabbers. In my opinion, what you will see if people rolling T1 logi cruisers because T2 logistics are too expensive to risk. On this basis alone, you will see more logi in gangs, because people can afford them if they pop - and they will. cearain wrote: If I was losing t2 ships (let alone t3 ships - but I think t3 are allowed in now.) at the rate I lose t1 ships, I would be bankrupt. This means I would need to either spend more time carebearing missions or I would need to stop taking as many fights where I know I have significant chance of losing. So, you are complaining that you keep losing fights...because you are bad at picking fights and don't modify your behaviour? Then, using this apparent logic, you extrapolate this to infer that there is a massive problem with EVE and FW. Several, in fact. You say that plexing is a game of d-scan, and everyone picks their fights according to what is on scan. Well, aside from you, who keeps losing because you can't pick a fight you can win. This is your problem, everyone else is just using the tools available in the game to pick fights they believe they can win. On this point specifically, it is thus down to pilot judgment, fitting and skill - so if you keep losing, address those first versus whine about how plexing as a mechanism is evil and broken. There is also a lot of whining that people don't bring fights and want only ganks. Having done W-space and nullsec versus ust complained on the forums and avoided being ganked in plexes, I can tell you that this is universal throughout EVE. A complaint that people just roll blob, well, go hunt up the Wormholes forum and see what w-space sov fights are about. Its all masses of alts, masses of blues-list batphones and you have 15 guys online, you are locked out, and 75 guys rub their sacks on your face and don't even care about the good fights, just the copious tears and the utter degradation of your corp. If its not being blobbed and skull humped, people just POS up forever, then come and blob you harder. And you are complaining about an apparent sorry state of PVP in FW? Dudes, it is the state of PVP in EVE and if you don't like the fact you can't undock and get a thrilling fight you really ought to have FRAPSed, every time....get out of EVE and go play COD or whatever. The truth is, more and cheaper logi will promote a smarter play style. chatgris talks of people pushing ships in odd diretions with odd fits. Well, thats one skill. Another skill is making a single logi stretch across 4 or 6 people in your gang by piloting it well. Google up the video of 2 shield curses and a lone scimi - then imagine 2 nano arbys and a Scythe. Ergo, once this stops being AFK Booster Alts online and people begin skilling themselves up not just the toons, it will be enjoyable. Just differently so. Taking submissions for "Trinkets friendly Advice Column" via evemail or private convo in-game. Anonymity sorta guaranteed.
Abyssum Invocat Justified Chaos 41	Posted - 2012.11.19 06:44:00 - [45] - Quote Am I the only one who is ******* terrified that mediums will be populated largely by nearly untouchable loki-boosted, 100mn, tengus?
Christine Peeveepeeski The Imperial Fedaykin 160	Posted - 2012.11.19 08:53:00 - [46] - Quote agharaster wrote: RTSAvalance, Mua'Dib and friends are plexing in auga with a vigilant, some cynabals and rudex in his tengu since 3-4 weeks ago, and that is honestly ruining the game. In fact if they can't win they run, or you spend time waiting for reinforcements to come or some decent booster alt to make things more balanced but its a pain in the ass. Actually there is room for people like them in the game, and we are lucky that there is some left for people like me, always looking for a good fight and always trying to learn something from my mistakes. We've done this because a) we fly ships we like to fly and b) it's been the hardest job I've ever done in EVE keeping Auga going up in control %. Our experience is this, we ship low and we get blobbed. Now, if we ship up and get blobbed we at least have more chance of not dieing before we GTFO or can kill a few then GTFO. You have to bare in mind that we, ILAW and Shirak are 3 of the few corps that stuck in this area and held on, took sisiede and stayed in FW through all the **** in amarr. Sure we had to base from EGG but we stuck at it against ECM thrashers, the blob and wave after wave of 5 man SFI gangs versus 1 rifter. So it's an evolution of the front, I for example now fly a lot less blinged up ships, far less with links and I roam a lot more simply because I finally have a breather from plexing sis and Auga is usually covered at the time I play. I'm hoping for good times ahead, amarr is starting to fill back up with people that shoot other people. I'm hoping we can stop the actual war from being so one sided. rather than just winning fights, winning the war for a while would be nice one day
David Devant CTRL-Q Iron Oxide. 40	Posted - 2012.11.19 09:12:00 - [47] - Quote I hadn't really considered the new ship restrictions when I created this thread. It strikes me that whoever can field a decent T3 and Logi gang will rule the day in mediums and majors. How would people feel about a 'rookie' cruiser plex?
Bengal Bob Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide. 82	Posted - 2012.11.19 09:36:00 - [48] - Quote We are in the golden age of FW David. Still some issues to sort out, but the changes made by CCP have motivated people to get out and fight which is the important thing. The new ship changes are going to bring a whole new dimension to skirmish gangs and I can't wait to have fun with them. The one thing at the moment that puzzles me is that allowing T2 cruisers in the same plex as T1 cruisers means that no one will fly T1 cruisers in those plexes unless they are stupid? Come on CCP, give the newer players plexes where they can use skill and not have to rely on skillpoints - after all they are your subscriptions of the future. Keep T1 separate please so newer players have a chance. Also, fix off grid boosters they just stop so many fights from happening these days. Station lockout is a pain, BUT it gives people motivation to fight, even against the odds, even if it means just delaying the enemy until the next TZ logs in to help. If you want to take a system, then you need to work against an enemy that has the defensive advantage - that is why people work so hard to keep a system. Nothing stops you putting up a POS in system to supply reships. A quick look at the killboard shows the Amarr actually winning if you count killmails: http://minmatar.eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=1285 Maybe the station lockout is benefiting them? Anyway, fun times are here, many thanks to Agony and SORE who have killed me repeatedly over the last couple days whilst I tried to disrupt the Lamaa plexing.
Garviel Tarrant Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel 209	Posted - 2012.11.19 09:51:00 - [49] - Quote Golden age won't come until links are nerfed into oblivion.
Bad Messenger Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant 296	Posted - 2012.11.19 11:19:00 - [50] - Quote Actually it same what are rules in FW. Same people can always adapt and win. There will not be such changes where bad players comes better than good players. But no one will fight because one side is fighting for big isk and other side just role play FW. If it is about isk war, why are you on loser side when you can always join winners with alt and grind isk without effort? Only reason why systems might change owners is when all militias decide that it is time to grind other militia LP for better income. When CCP brings their newest changes people will play FW for some time, but then they start to think greedy and stop fighting. And i think CCP will not touch FW after next patch for several years.
Shallazar CONTRATTO Equinox Rising 3	Posted - 2012.11.19 11:39:00 - [51] - Quote Cearain wrote: Zarnak Wulf wrote: Rookie plexes - All T1 and faction frigates. No destroyers Minor Plexes - All frigates and destroyers. Medium Plexes. - All cruisers. T2 and T3 included. No BC. Major - Everything The medium is where the issue is. I also don't think moving the button is necessary anymore. But I do like using my Naga too.... Did they change plans? There was a restricted major with bcs and t2 was allowed in minors. At least last I read I can't find the Ideas/Features thread for these changes, is there one? I'd like to find out more about what is proposed.
agharaster Hoplite Brigade 2	Posted - 2012.11.19 12:59:00 - [52] - Quote Let me post a little test for an after patch possible scenario: You are plexing lone somewere in a medium with your zealot (brawler fit) you scan a slasher, omen and an auguror at your plexe's gate. how do you think you will react? a) stay and fight b) run c) warp out, call some friend, form a gang accordingly with the enemy fleet, and back to fight d) other
Zarnak Wulf Imperial Outlaws 735	Posted - 2012.11.19 13:36:00 - [53] - Quote Shallazar wrote: Cearain wrote: Zarnak Wulf wrote: Rookie plexes - All T1 and faction frigates. No destroyers Minor Plexes - All frigates and destroyers. Medium Plexes. - All cruisers. T2 and T3 included. No BC. Major - Everything The medium is where the issue is. I also don't think moving the button is necessary anymore. But I do like using my Naga too.... Did they change plans? There was a restricted major with bcs and t2 was allowed in minors. At least last I read I can't find the Ideas/Features thread for these changes, is there one? I'd like to find out more about what is proposed. Link
Cearain Imperial Outlaws 649	Posted - 2012.11.19 14:14:00 - [54] - Quote Trinkets friend wrote: cearain wrote: If I was losing t2 ships (let alone t3 ships - but I think t3 are allowed in now.) at the rate I lose t1 ships, I would be bankrupt. This means I would need to either spend more time carebearing missions or I would need to stop taking as many fights where I know I have significant chance of losing. So, you are complaining that you keep losing fights...because you are bad at picking fights and don't modify your behaviour? Then, using this apparent logic, you extrapolate this to infer that there is a massive problem with EVE and FW. Several, in fact... Actually I am happy with the current percent of fights that I win or lose. But after this patch I won't be able to afford that percent of loses, so I will have to modify my behavior. I will need to be more risk adverse. So will others. This will mean less frequent pvp. You seem content with mechanics that will make everyone even more risk adverse in eve. I think it makes for a boring game. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Bad Messenger Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant 297	Posted - 2012.11.19 14:24:00 - [55] - Quote agharaster wrote: Let me post a little test for an after patch possible scenario: You are plexing lone somewere in a medium with your zealot (brawler fit) you scan a slasher, omen and an auguror at your plexe's gate. how do you think you will react? a) stay and fight b) run c) warp out, call some friend, form a gang accordingly with the enemy fleet, and back to fight d) other i would leave my zealot home and take some better ship for solo. It is sad that usually single frigate can tackle zealot for ever.
David Devant CTRL-Q Iron Oxide. 40	Posted - 2012.11.19 14:26:00 - [56] - Quote Bad Messenger wrote: agharaster wrote: Let me post a little test for an after patch possible scenario: You are plexing lone somewere in a medium with your zealot (brawler fit) you scan a slasher, omen and an auguror at your plexe's gate. how do you think you will react? a) stay and fight b) run c) warp out, call some friend, form a gang accordingly with the enemy fleet, and back to fight d) other i would leave my zealot home and take some better ship for solo. It is sad that usually single frigate can tackle zealot for ever. Hello, My name is condor. I can tackle anything forever. Kthxbai.
Cearain Imperial Outlaws 649	Posted - 2012.11.19 14:30:00 - [57] - Quote Trinkets friend wrote: There is also a lot of whining that people don't bring fights and want only ganks. Having done W-space and nullsec versus ust complained on the forums and avoided being ganked in plexes, I can tell you that this is universal throughout EVE. A complaint that people just roll blob, well, go hunt up the Wormholes forum and see what w-space sov fights are about. Its all masses of alts, masses of blues-list batphones and you have 15 guys online, you are locked out, and 75 guys rub their sacks on your face and don't even care about the good fights, just the copious tears and the utter degradation of your corp. If its not being blobbed and skull humped, people just POS up forever, then come and blob you harder. And you are complaining about an apparent sorry state of PVP in FW? Dudes, it is the state of PVP in EVE and if you don't like the fact you can't undock and get a thrilling fight you really ought to have FRAPSed, every time....get out of EVE and go play COD or whatever. This is why faction war improvements are not making a huge change in the number of subscriptions that they could have made. The bar they are trying to reach for, is that the small gang pvp in fw should be slightly better than in wormholes or null sec. If fw went away tomorrow there is no reason I would ever bother with this game. CCP is not looking to see if they can provide a gaming experience for anyone who might not have 20 hours a week to dedicate to a computer game. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Cearain Imperial Outlaws 650	Posted - 2012.11.19 14:44:00 - [58] - Quote agharaster wrote: RTSAvalance, Mua'Dib and friends are plexing in auga with a vigilant, some cynabals and rudex in his tengu since 3-4 weeks ago, and that is honestly ruining the game.. We had a similar problem when there were dramiels in every minor - until they got a nerf and destroyers and frigates got a buff. Now they are just exagerating the problem in 3 ways. 1) the button is closer so you have to be hitting the dscan like an ocd case or you will need to bring the top ship. 2) they are making it so there are even a wider variety of expensive ships that can come gank you. 3) the timer roll back(which starts counting back anytime you leave the plex even if an enemy is not even on grid or at the accel gate) means that if you are not flying the most expensive ship you will likely find allot of your time is wasted in plexing. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Aln Al-Thalab Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan 1	Posted - 2012.11.19 15:11:00 - [59] - Quote Trinkets friend wrote: What is holding FW back in my opinion is more the OGB alts which allow a static player to camp plexes in ships which punch twice or three times above their weight, which gets very boring very quickly, so no one engages them and the situation gets rather tired. Whenever CCP brings the nerf bat onto this will really address alt proliferation and allow small gangs to attack certain other players faction fit pimped cruisers with the booster on the field. You'll get most of the benefit with all of the risk you should be taking for paying two subs and only ever risking nything with one. Because I can't say it better myself. +1
Cearain Imperial Outlaws 650	Posted - 2012.11.19 15:58:00 - [60] - Quote Aln Al-Thalab wrote: Trinkets friend wrote: What is holding FW back in my opinion is more the OGB alts which allow a static player to camp plexes in ships which punch twice or three times above their weight, which gets very boring very quickly, so no one engages them and the situation gets rather tired. Whenever CCP brings the nerf bat onto this will really address alt proliferation and allow small gangs to attack certain other players faction fit pimped cruisers with the booster on the field. You'll get most of the benefit with all of the risk you should be taking for paying two subs and only ever risking nything with one. Because I can't say it better myself. +1 While I completely agree with ending ogb. I don't think it is going to be a watershed change in faction war. Assuming it even happens. The mechanics of faction war will still not yield that much more quality pvp per hour to make any significant difference to the number of subscribers in eve as a whole. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

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