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No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1700
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Posted - 2012.11.21 17:44:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Despite having a higher overall population, there are many less targets in 0.0. You can choose between bots that you can't catch, people in semi-pimped plex boats that you can't catch, or people looking for fights with capitals on standby. There is really no one to "pirate" there.
This dude among others seems to be having a blast pirating in 0.0 and hunts goons all day everyday https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/LaserzPewPew kb linky on EVE-O is no bueno but you can look at it for yourself.
So all the people who say theres no targets, nothing but blobs, nothing but capital blobs and nothing but bots are dead wrong. There are people who pirate 0.0 all day long and have the fabled solo and small gang pvp. . |

Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1514
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Posted - 2012.11.22 00:06:00 -
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No More Heroes wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Despite having a higher overall population, there are many less targets in 0.0. You can choose between bots that you can't catch, people in semi-pimped plex boats that you can't catch, or people looking for fights with capitals on standby. There is really no one to "pirate" there. This dude among others seems to be having a blast pirating in 0.0 and hunts goons all day everyday https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/LaserzPewPew kb linky on EVE-O is no bueno but you can look at it for yourself. So all the people who say theres no targets, nothing but blobs, nothing but capital blobs and nothing but bots are dead wrong. There are people who pirate 0.0 all day long and have the fabled solo and small gang pvp. Read the first part of my second reply in this thread.
Edit: kind of seems to me that the majority of people don't understand what exactly "piracy" is. I can tell you for a fact that it's not going after targets of equal or greater strength, who are willing and able to fight back. That's called "sport." (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |

Emil Narud
Dissonance Corp Unclaimed.
0
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Posted - 2012.11.22 00:18:00 -
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Riddick Liddell wrote:dethleffs wrote:I'm saying that losec mechanics are different then null and that pirates like them. I didn't add any qualitative value to the mechanics themselves. Some mechanics are broken, some are lame, some are good, some are just different. This goes for all sec states. Maybe I could start naming off some regions, systems and moons where the reactions POS webs are? Even if you don't own any, I am sure you will come to appreciate the super cap blobs that will invade your systems to take them down.
Because supers can totally shoot pos..... |

Zoctrine
Perkone Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.11.22 02:29:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:Except nullsec is dangerous because the locals can actually shoot back. Well, most of them anyway. Your suggestion is like asking a local gang of thugs why they don't go and pick on professional soldiers instead of the old and stupid, and the answer is the same. Because they will lose. And no one likes to lose. Indeed...!!!
To the OP... You see, if you go there people will shoot back at you, this will lead to losing and that is not acceptable...
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No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1703
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Posted - 2012.11.22 07:03:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:kind of seems to me that the majority of people don't understand what exactly "piracy" is. I can tell you for a fact that it's not going after targets of equal or greater strength, who are willing and able to fight back. That's called "sport."
Courtesy of the free online dictionary.com
Pirating- 1. One who robs at sea or plunders the land from the sea without commission from a sovereign nation. 2. One who preys on others; a plunderer.
Not really seeing anything about the strength of the target. What's the difference between someone who hunts and kills shiny ships in lowsec and one who does the same thing in 0.0? . |

Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1516
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Posted - 2012.11.22 07:19:00 -
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No More Heroes wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:kind of seems to me that the majority of people don't understand what exactly "piracy" is. I can tell you for a fact that it's not going after targets of equal or greater strength, who are willing and able to fight back. That's called "sport." Courtesy of the free online dictionary.com Pirating- 1. One who robs at sea or plunders the land from the sea without commission from a sovereign nation. 2. One who preys on others; a plunderer. Not really seeing anything about the strength of the target. What's the difference between someone who hunts and kills shiny ships in lowsec and one who does the same thing in 0.0? While you're still on that site, go ahead and look up those two words as well. Then you'll have your answer. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |

Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
204
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Posted - 2012.11.22 07:43:00 -
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While solo-pirating in a larger vessel in 0.0 might be more difficult or not at all reasonable due to the higher probability to not make it out of bubbles alive ( still remember the true "bubble art" ,resulting in flying hundrets of km in bubbles to a gate, that was practiced in the Drone regionsin 2011) it is only logical to do it in frigates or cruisers. Missing gate guns allow a solo pirate to first shoot the target far enough in armor/structure and then start a negotioation about ransom. that way one can earn much more than by just shooting ships as it is quite impossible to carry large amounts of booty in a frigates cargo. Sure, there might be regions with a working intel and response forces but there are enough pipes and constellations where the flock is unguarded and willingly giving in their destiny. So, Yes - after giving it a thought pirating in 0.0 seems to be a sustainable endeavour and I might pursue it more activly in the future...
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Desert Ice78
Cobra Kai Dojo WHY so Seri0Us
172
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Posted - 2012.11.22 10:28:00 -
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The compelling reason is:
we shoot back.
That is all. I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused. |

psycho freak
Snuff Box
20
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Posted - 2012.11.22 11:43:00 -
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tbh most lo-sec pirates iv flown with over the years are old 0.0 pvpers that got bord of the politics of 0.0
me personaly i used to pirate 0.0 i havent done it for a long time but i used to love putting 2 x recons in a ststion system or farming system and just wait for right target to kill you get alot teirs in local and alot whineing on forums about afk cloakers but most aint afk they just on difrent toon waiting for right time to use the cloaker
i also used to put sucker bubbles upand hav scouts out and camp the sucker bubble somtime go 1 step fether and put carrier at old deep safe and asign fighters to my bubble camper
they were fun time but now i fly with difrent crew and have difrent intrests but what you will find is that lo-sec pirates will activly look for wh's to go into pirateing and if that wh leads to 0.0 they will go there to look for targets in and out type style
lo-sec pirates are dug in deep in they area s most feel reluctent to move on large scale but solo if guy is bord or wants change then they do as they please go hunt doesnt matter if its lo-sec/hisec/0.0/wh space |

Warde Guildencrantz
TunDraGon
283
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Posted - 2012.11.23 17:34:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:dethleffs wrote:
Contrary to popular belief, pirates do like people who shoot back.
That is not to say we don't like ganks.
A kill is a kill is a kill. But a feisty one is more fun 
This.
and people who are considering posting about low sec pirates just ganking everything and not wanting to commit to real fleetvfleet fights, please recall that some pirates are killing ships to make isk only, not to have fun with competitive PvP. Most pirate groups though, have a little bit of isk making through ganks, and some serious PvP as well. Some pirate corps are simply small fleet and gang warfare, without the ganking people for ISK as efficiently as possible part on the side. They aren't trying to prove that they are good PvPers through ganking people on gate camps, they are making isk. Real competitive style PvP is separate from that, and a lot of pirate groups, believe it or not, are fairly good at small scale PvP fleet fights.
Personally I will take a 12 man fleet vs 12 man fleet with logi on both sides fight over a faction raven jumping into a camp any day...isk making can wait.
Also, I may be a bit biased, but I feel that small scale pvp has a lot more "each fleet member's role matters" than the huge cap fleets of null, where the best role is "bring dps". This leads me to the idea that small scale pvp is more skill based than these huge fleets, which are more planning based prior to fight. Null does have similar roaming small fleets as low sec though, and that is why I'm not just going to say "null sec pilots are shite", because quite a few of them are not shite. Even if some of them do plexes and pve between fights, does not mean they suck wind at PvP.
(Goons suck at small gang though...) < from experience fighting them O_o |

Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
301
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Posted - 2012.11.23 18:54:00 -
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There is piracy in Null sec.
We call them corp thieves. |

Nexus Day
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
125
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Posted - 2012.11.23 18:59:00 -
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So people are saying there is a portion of space for all playstyles.
I am glad that is finally resolved. |

miles veters
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.11.23 19:54:00 -
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Julie Martins wrote:Hello,
I'm a relatively new player so my knowledge of the game is limited.
While reading the forum, I found a lot of posts of players asking CCP to find incentives for high sec players to go to low sec. It doesn't seems to work so I have a question for low sec pirates :
Why don't you guys go to 0.0. (As there are not post about it I assume there is no piratery in this part of space)
From my understanding, it has everything that you guys are asking :
more targets than low sec no gate gun
you look like khloe kardashian.
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
935
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Posted - 2012.11.23 22:04:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Despite having a higher overall population, there are many less targets in 0.0. You can choose between bots that you can't catch, people in semi-pimped plex boats that you can't catch, or people looking for fights with capitals on standby. There is really no one to "pirate" there.
Confirming
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15114900
that
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15104548
there
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15124120
are
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15262978
no
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15271654
targets
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15246940
in
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15263020
nullsec
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15272123
Stop being bad.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15115042 < thanatos lol
Side note: Most of these kills were sub 20 man gang kills, and were all stuff I was personally involved in this month alone and I rarely undock.
So you know, you can hurf and durf about there not being anything to kill, or you can go kill something. |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
935
|
Posted - 2012.11.23 22:12:00 -
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Warde Guildencrantz wrote:(Goons suck at small gang though...) < from experience fighting them O_o
This is honestly for the most part true. We have three sub groups within our organization that are pretty good at the small gang thing though, but they all operate in different areas.
One group is ~super opsec~ and you will likely never meet them unless you live in null and are hostile to us.
Our fast gang guys can be found in Syndicate and are starting to be a real force for ass kicking down there, and can call on enough firepower to bring down even big targets (We killed a SC a month or so ago, and many carriers have died).
And our hotdrop group is pretty effective as well.
But the average rank and file goon, you are right: Probably isn't too keen on individual ship roles in a small gang, and are basically fleet fodder.
EDIT: I will say we probably have the 2nd or 3rd best bomber wing in the game too, behind Gypsy Band and even up with PL's bomber wing. It's not unusual for a fleet to enter system with our bombers and say "**** it" then turn around and go home. |

YoYo NickyYo
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.11.23 22:33:00 -
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Julie Martins wrote:Hello,
I'm a relatively new player so my knowledge of the game is limited.
While reading the forum, I found a lot of posts of players asking CCP to find incentives for high sec players to go to low sec. It doesn't seems to work so I have a question for low sec pirates :
Why don't you guys go to 0.0. (As there are not post about it I assume there is no piratery in this part of space)
From my understanding, it has everything that you guys are asking :
more targets than low sec no gate gun
Low-sec pirating: 2 -3 hours of sitting on a gate, hoping some idiot comes your way. 0.0 pirating: 2-3 hours of wandering thru empty system after empty system, run into the occasional bot, who warps and cloaks when you enter system, and finally getting bored halfway across the universe. Then you die to a blob on the way back.
As you can see, 0.0 has a tremendous upside to it.......
I'm not a troll! I just play one on TV! I'm not a troll!, But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night!
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Elliot Vodka
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2012.11.24 03:20:00 -
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Not nearly as many pirates in Null because pirates want what null sec isnt. Null sec is not... Full of lesser experience pvp players. Unorganized Corps without plans to deal with threats. Most importantly an easy targets. Making them horrible suggestions for a pirate. (One who preys on someone that's obviously at a disadvantage to them)
They would much rather whine at CCP to force high sec players through there territory, just so they have more pew pew at care bears expense. Why is it that people think this game is for everyone?A better question would be "Why do some people think this game is only for them?" |

Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1523
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Posted - 2012.11.24 05:11:00 -
[48] - Quote
Okay, you linked a couple of kill mails, and all but one of them (a frigate, lol) have anywhere from one to two dozen involved parties. What exactly are you trying to prove? That there's stuff to kill in null, but I'm just too much of a sperg to make enough friends for the activity to be viable? What if I don't have twenty people for a "small gang?" What if I don't want to roll around with twenty people? Is 6,000 dps like the minimum requirement for pvp nowadays?
Keep in mind, I never argued that there's no stuff to kill in null. I just said that you get to kill more stuff, for less effort, in other areas of space. You want proof? Look at this character's kill board (one that supports engagement views). You'll see multiple battles where it's just myself, getting in some cases dozens of kills in a day.
I did the null-sec game. I did it for a long time; from 2004, right until wormholes came out. I have a solid basis for comparison here. Null is much worse than low in terms of target availability, and doesn't even begin to compare with high. And if even one or two hundred players like myself moved to null for piracy, it would become barren of mouth-breather activity within a week. Just look at how panicky people get over "afk cloakers." Now imagine what would happen if those Sanctum Tengus actually started getting snatched away in the middle of the night.
Is there pvp in null? Yes, there is. But not the kind that satisfies the conditions of piracy. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
937
|
Posted - 2012.11.24 05:35:00 -
[49] - Quote
Destiny Corrupted wrote: Okay, you linked a couple of kill mails, and all but one of them (a frigate, lol) have anywhere from one to two dozen involved parties. What exactly are you trying to prove? That there's stuff to kill in null, but I'm just too much of a sperg to make enough friends for the activity to be viable? What if I don't have twenty people for a "small gang?" What if I don't want to roll around with twenty people? Is 6,000 dps like the minimum requirement for pvp nowadays?
Keep in mind, I never argued that there's no stuff to kill in null. I just said that you get to kill more stuff, for less effort, in other areas of space. You want proof? Look at this character's kill board (one that supports engagement views). You'll see multiple battles where it's just myself, getting in some cases dozens of kills in a day.
I did the null-sec game. I did it for a long time; from 2004, right until wormholes came out. I have a solid basis for comparison here. Null is much worse than low in terms of target availability, and doesn't even begin to compare with high. And if even one or two hundred players like myself moved to null for piracy, it would become barren of mouth-breather activity within a week. Just look at how panicky people get over "afk cloakers." Now imagine what would happen if those Sanctum Tengus actually started getting snatched away in the middle of the night.
Is there pvp in null? Yes, there is. But not the kind that satisfies the conditions of piracy.
You are bad at reading, about half of those were in a falcon.
As far as the rest of your stupid question: Nullsec isn't for 4 man gangs. Soz. |

Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
1998
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Posted - 2012.11.24 05:42:00 -
[50] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote:As far as the rest of your stupid question: Nullsec isn't for 4 man gangs. Soz. Your opinion has been noted.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |

Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1524
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Posted - 2012.11.24 05:45:00 -
[51] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote: Okay, you linked a couple of kill mails, and all but one of them (a frigate, lol) have anywhere from one to two dozen involved parties. What exactly are you trying to prove? That there's stuff to kill in null, but I'm just too much of a sperg to make enough friends for the activity to be viable? What if I don't have twenty people for a "small gang?" What if I don't want to roll around with twenty people? Is 6,000 dps like the minimum requirement for pvp nowadays?
Keep in mind, I never argued that there's no stuff to kill in null. I just said that you get to kill more stuff, for less effort, in other areas of space. You want proof? Look at this character's kill board (one that supports engagement views). You'll see multiple battles where it's just myself, getting in some cases dozens of kills in a day.
I did the null-sec game. I did it for a long time; from 2004, right until wormholes came out. I have a solid basis for comparison here. Null is much worse than low in terms of target availability, and doesn't even begin to compare with high. And if even one or two hundred players like myself moved to null for piracy, it would become barren of mouth-breather activity within a week. Just look at how panicky people get over "afk cloakers." Now imagine what would happen if those Sanctum Tengus actually started getting snatched away in the middle of the night.
Is there pvp in null? Yes, there is. But not the kind that satisfies the conditions of piracy.
You are bad at reading, about half of those were in a falcon. As far as the rest of your stupid question: Nullsec isn't for 4 man gangs. Soz. Apology accepted. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
937
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Posted - 2012.11.24 05:47:00 -
[52] - Quote
Let me get right on that.
Maybe you should go check Kovorix's killboard since he's actually good unlike say... you. |

dethleffs
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
132
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Posted - 2012.11.24 06:58:00 -
[53] - Quote
Desert Ice78 wrote:The compelling reason is:
we shoot back.
That is all.
Indeed, compelling, too bad it isn't true. |

svenska flicka
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
118
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Posted - 2012.11.24 07:00:00 -
[54] - Quote
Julie Martins wrote:So, you says that low sec mechanics are ok.
Should I assume that the "nerf high sec" post are troll posts?
Lowsec is better than ever now with factional warfare, 0.0 is garbage and highsec is crap while wormholes are isolation, lowsec is the best part of EVE right now. |

Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1526
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Posted - 2012.11.24 07:03:00 -
[55] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote:I actually take back the 4 man comment. Go look up a little corp called ISRAD and get back to me. Null-sec corporation has an active kill board. News at eleven. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |

No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1704
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Posted - 2012.11.24 07:21:00 -
[56] - Quote
Getting back to the OP, which was about why don't lowsex dudes go to 0.0. For some odd reason folks are under the assumption that people who live in 0.0 want everyone in high sec to come to 0.0 so they can prey on them. I don't want any of you to come to 0.0, I wish half the people that are here would get out.
Followed by some low sec dudes hurf blurfing about why 0.0 sucks and tru-viking pvp is found in high (lol!) and low sec. Killboards show that targets are found in all areas of space and are actively being engaged by gangs of all sizes and even spartan solo warriors.
So to answer the OP's question: it seems to me that lowsec dudes don't go to 0.0 because they don't want to.  . |

svenska flicka
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
119
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Posted - 2012.11.24 07:35:00 -
[57] - Quote
No More Heroes wrote:So to answer the OP's question: it seems to me that lowsec dudes don't go to 0.0 because they don't want to. 
Dealing with 0.0 politics is as fun as pulling out a tooth at the dentist.
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No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1704
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Posted - 2012.11.24 07:45:00 -
[58] - Quote
svenska flicka wrote:No More Heroes wrote:So to answer the OP's question: it seems to me that lowsec dudes don't go to 0.0 because they don't want to.  Dealing with 0.0 politics is as fun as pulling out a tooth at the dentist.
Upon observation, and seeing the way some 0.0 organizations are run, I would totally agree with you. And makes me thankful to be in a chill place for chill people like GSF.  . |

flakeys
Angels of Anarchy Interstellar Confederation
431
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Posted - 2012.11.24 10:51:00 -
[59] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote:Let me get right on that.
Maybe you should go check Kovorix's killboard since he's actually good unlike say... you.
EDIT: I actually take back the 4 man comment. Go look up a little corp called ISRAD and get back to me.
Well in that comment lies the answer i wanted to give to the OP.There used to be a lot of actuall small gang fights in null years back but these last 4 years or so the sov null alliances/coalitions are so used to the blobfests that for them a small gang consists out of 25 guys.For a lot of pirates and the old school guard a small gang is between 2 to 6 guys or even better just solo.
As someone said a lot of the pirates are just 'old guys' who don't like the way null plays these days in regards to blobs etc. For me it is the reason i tend to pirate art times for relaxation and why i am in npc null again as of short.If i had to choose between old null or piracy i'd play old null , if i had to choose between sov null currently or piracy i'd vote piracy. There is a sufficiency in the world for man's need but not for man's greed.-á
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1527
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Posted - 2012.11.24 11:07:00 -
[60] - Quote
The day null died for me was the day that my small N-RAEL camp was dropped by 33 supercarriers and a single Thanatos. I don't remember who it was, but I remember one of them calling us "pussie fagets" when we ran away. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
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