Hello,

I'm a relatively new player so my knowledge of the game is limited.

While reading the forum, I found a lot of posts of players asking CCP to find incentives for high sec players to go to low sec. It doesn't seems to work so I have a question for low sec pirates :

Why don't you guys go to 0.0. (As there are not post about it I assume there is no piratery in this part of space)

From my understanding, it has everything that you guys are asking :

more targets than low sec
no gate gun

people in semi-pimped plex boats that you can't catch

You assume we don't want gateguns, but we don't really care. We like losec because of it's game mechanics.

And most people going on about losec not having enough targets are carebears saying: "You all want us to go to losec just so you can shoot us, maybe that's why there aren't any people, you whining pirate!1!1"

I'm saying that losec mechanics are different then null and that pirates like them. I didn't add any qualitative value to the mechanics themselves.
Some mechanics are broken, some are lame, some are good, some are just different. This goes for all sec states.

From my understanding, it has everything that you guys are asking :

more targets than low sec
no gate gun

Except nullsec is dangerous because the locals can actually shoot back. Well, most of them anyway. Your suggestion is like asking a local gang of thugs why they don't go and pick on professional soldiers instead of the old and stupid, and the answer is the same. Because they will lose. And no one likes to lose.

Just join the Deklein Coalition and enjoy and ocean of blues and pirate high sec.

Just join the Deklein Coalition and enjoy and ocean of blues and pirate high sec.

The killboards would suggest otherwise.

There are two easy ways for botters to escape this new change:

1. By using a POS.
2. By warping to a safe and cloaking, instead of logging off. Or maybe logging off later. If cloaking isn't an option, then just make enough safespots to make probing impossible. A battleship warps relatively slow, and bouncing between safespots can take over a minute, so you don't actually need that many. Then just log off.

Bots gonna bot, bro. Also, we might actually see MORE bots now, because botters might lose extra time due to visitors not leaving right away (right now, they just log off, and visitors don't have a reason to stay at all), so they'll want to compensate for lost profits. Another great way to get more alt account subs.

This expansion NPC aggression will affect your logout timer. as it is right now only pvp aggression results in a 15 minute logout timer if you DC/quit but when this expansion goes live that will also be the case for PVE aggression. So you'll see a lot more bots/grindbear deaths in 0.0 because of it, this will make "piracy" in 0.0 a lot easier (and it allows us the playerbase to actually act against bots, to a degree at least).

That's a lot of tinfoil tbh.

Ofcourse people (and bots) will adapt but it WILL affect them, at the very least it forces them to fit cloaks (which not all pve ships can do that easily, if they want to be optimised) or have a POS in those systems. You can never make it impossible, all you can do it make it less easy and more annoying. Also, adapting takes effort and at least a few braincells so I'm quite sure we'll see a sudden increase in grindbear deaths in 0.0 and while they'll adapt after a while I highly doubt they'll go back to being as untouchable/profitable as they are now.

Contrary to popular belief, pirates do like people who shoot back.

That is not to say we don't like ganks.

Just join the Deklein Coalition and enjoy and ocean of blues and pirate high sec.

Despite having a higher overall population, there are many less targets in 0.0. You can choose between bots that you can't catch, people in semi-pimped plex boats that you can't catch, or people looking for fights with capitals on standby. There is really no one to "pirate" there.

I kinda like lowsec the way it is.

Despite having a higher overall population, there are many less targets in 0.0. You can choose between bots that you can't catch, people in semi-pimped plex boats that you can't catch, or people looking for fights with capitals on standby. There is really no one to "pirate" there.

This dude among others seems to be having a blast pirating in 0.0 and hunts goons all day everyday https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/LaserzPewPew kb linky on EVE-O is no bueno but you can look at it for yourself.

So all the people who say theres no targets, nothing but blobs, nothing but capital blobs and nothing but bots are dead wrong. There are people who pirate 0.0 all day long and have the fabled solo and small gang pvp.

Maybe I could start naming off some regions, systems and moons where the reactions POS webs are?

Even if you don't own any, I am sure you will come to appreciate the super cap blobs that will invade your systems to take them down.

Except nullsec is dangerous because the locals can actually shoot back. Well, most of them anyway. Your suggestion is like asking a local gang of thugs why they don't go and pick on professional soldiers instead of the old and stupid, and the answer is the same. Because they will lose. And no one likes to lose.

kind of seems to me that the majority of people don't understand what exactly "piracy" is. I can tell you for a fact that it's not going after targets of equal or greater strength, who are willing and able to fight back. That's called "sport."

Courtesy of the free online dictionary.com

Pirating-
1. One who robs at sea or plunders the land from the sea without commission from a sovereign nation.
2. One who preys on others; a plunderer.

Not really seeing anything about the strength of the target. What's the difference between someone who hunts and kills shiny ships in lowsec and one who does the same thing in 0.0?

A kill is a kill is a kill.

But a feisty one is more fun

Hello,

I'm a relatively new player so my knowledge of the game is limited.

While reading the forum, I found a lot of posts of players asking CCP to find incentives for high sec players to go to low sec. It doesn't seems to work so I have a question for low sec pirates :

Why don't you guys go to 0.0. (As there are not post about it I assume there is no piratery in this part of space)

From my understanding, it has everything that you guys are asking :

more targets than low sec
no gate gun

Despite having a higher overall population, there are many less targets in 0.0. You can choose between bots that you can't catch, people in semi-pimped plex boats that you can't catch, or people looking for fights with capitals on standby. There is really no one to "pirate" there.

(Goons suck at small gang though...) < from experience fighting them O_o

Hello,

I'm a relatively new player so my knowledge of the game is limited.

While reading the forum, I found a lot of posts of players asking CCP to find incentives for high sec players to go to low sec. It doesn't seems to work so I have a question for low sec pirates :

Why don't you guys go to 0.0. (As there are not post about it I assume there is no piratery in this part of space)

From my understanding, it has everything that you guys are asking :

more targets than low sec
no gate gun

Confirming

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15114900

that

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15104548

there

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15124120

are

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15262978

no

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15271654

targets

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15246940

in

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15263020

nullsec

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15272123

Stop being bad.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15115042 < thanatos lol

Side note: Most of these kills were sub 20 man gang kills, and were all stuff I was personally involved in this month alone and I rarely undock.

So you know, you can hurf and durf about there not being anything to kill, or you can go kill something.

Okay, you linked a couple of kill mails, and all but one of them (a frigate, lol) have anywhere from one to two dozen involved parties. What exactly are you trying to prove? That there's stuff to kill in null, but I'm just too much of a sperg to make enough friends for the activity to be viable? What if I don't have twenty people for a "small gang?" What if I don't want to roll around with twenty people? Is 6,000 dps like the minimum requirement for pvp nowadays?

Keep in mind, I never argued that there's no stuff to kill in null. I just said that you get to kill more stuff, for less effort, in other areas of space. You want proof? Look at this character's kill board (one that supports engagement views). You'll see multiple battles where it's just myself, getting in some cases dozens of kills in a day.

I did the null-sec game. I did it for a long time; from 2004, right until wormholes came out. I have a solid basis for comparison here. Null is much worse than low in terms of target availability, and doesn't even begin to compare with high. And if even one or two hundred players like myself moved to null for piracy, it would become barren of mouth-breather activity within a week. Just look at how panicky people get over "afk cloakers." Now imagine what would happen if those Sanctum Tengus actually started getting snatched away in the middle of the night.

Is there pvp in null? Yes, there is. But not the kind that satisfies the conditions of piracy.

As far as the rest of your stupid question: Nullsec isn't for 4 man gangs. Soz.

You are bad at reading, about half of those were in a falcon.

As far as the rest of your stupid question: Nullsec isn't for 4 man gangs. Soz.

The compelling reason is:

we shoot back.

That is all.

So, you says that low sec mechanics are ok.

Should I assume that the "nerf high sec" post are troll posts?

I actually take back the 4 man comment. Go look up a little corp called ISRAD and get back to me.

So to answer the OP's question: it seems to me that lowsec dudes don't go to 0.0 because they don't want to.

Dealing with 0.0 politics is as fun as pulling out a tooth at the dentist.

Let me get right on that.

Maybe you should go check Kovorix's killboard since he's actually good unlike say... you.

EDIT: I actually take back the 4 man comment. Go look up a little corp called ISRAD and get back to me.

The day null died for me was the day that my small N-RAEL camp was dropped by 33 supercarriers and a single Thanatos. I don't remember who it was, but I remember one of them calling us "pussie fagets" when we ran away.

Lowsec is better than ever now with factional warfare, 0.0 is garbage and highsec is crap while wormholes are isolation, lowsec is the best part of EVE right now.

The day null died for me was the day that my small N-RAEL camp was dropped by 33 supercarriers and a single Thanatos. I don't remember who it was, but I remember one of them calling us "pussie fagets" when we ran away.