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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.11.21 18:26:00 -
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Hope this helps
MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
The Protato
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
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Posted - 2012.11.21 18:29:00 -
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Thanks for stating the obvious...
TL;DR: People are people, people have choices, people need people. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
5155
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Posted - 2012.11.21 18:31:00 -
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The obvious is in dire need of friends in these parts.
MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10385
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Posted - 2012.11.21 18:35:00 -
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Of course it doesn't help. GÇ£The otherGÇ¥ is always beyond all help, otherwise they wouldn't be GÇ£the otherGÇ¥ now would they? 
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Berendas
Estel Arador Corp Services
338
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Posted - 2012.11.21 18:53:00 -
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Good read, but I think you need to add a footnote to section (4). Some people are just there to annoy, incite argument, and get their yucks at the discussion's expense. They may be completely logical people (most legitimate trolls are) but they will not allow their logic to be visible and will make posts that are incorrect or intentionally uninformed. Not everyone is wise to their game so these detractors may be obvious to some but not all of EVE's forum-goers. |
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
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Posted - 2012.11.21 18:59:00 -
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Nice article, well phrased, thank you |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
990
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Posted - 2012.11.21 18:59:00 -
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Actually the 5 Points that are made are excelent advice. I learned those when I was in school. They have been utterly dropped in any form of electronic communication the past 30 years.....as they are probably not taught.
Especially #1 about Huge Generalizations.
Good article. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
990
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Posted - 2012.11.21 19:02:00 -
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Berendas wrote:Good read, but I think you need to add a footnote to section (4). Some people are just there to annoy, incite argument, and get their yucks at the discussion's expense. They may be completely logical people (most legitimate trolls are) but they will not allow their logic to be visible and will make posts that are incorrect or intentionally uninformed. Not everyone is wise to their game so these detractors may be obvious to some but not all of EVE's forum-goers.
This is a must read interview with a Troll related to the topic at hand:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2012/nov/09/confessions-of-an-internet-troll |
Zoctrine
Perkone
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.11.21 19:03:00 -
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You need to get a life and/or get laid...
Also, this:
The Protato wrote:Thanks for stating the obvious...
TL;DR: People are people, people have choices, people need people.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
990
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Posted - 2012.11.21 19:05:00 -
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Zoctrine wrote:You need to get a life and/or get laid... Also, this: The Protato wrote:Thanks for stating the obvious...
TL;DR: People are people, people have choices, people need people.
And they're off.......  (good GOD) |
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Harland White
Circle of Fortune
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Posted - 2012.11.21 19:05:00 -
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I REALLY like that page. The entire thing is one big fat enema of TRUTH that most folks here are terrified of receiving.
I personally am a high-sec dweller about 80% of the time. I run L4s for cash, and I spend the cash on ships for PvPing in low/null with. Most of it anyway. Some of it goes toward upgrades to my L4 ship.
I don't want to see nullsec nerfed in any way, and I don't want to see high sec nerfed in any way. I don't want to change the game, it's fine how it is. It has aspects that appeal to all types of players and that's how it should stay. |
Fractal Muse
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
27
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Posted - 2012.11.21 19:13:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Actually the 5 Points that are made are excelent advice. I learned those when I was in school. They have been utterly dropped in any form of electronic communication the past 30 years.....as they are probably not taught.
Especially #1 about Huge Generalizations.
Irony?
It was a good article.
EVE is an ecosystem that encompasses everything... including the not-mentioned Wormhole Space which was overlooked for some reason or another.
I'd like to see CCP treat -all- of EVE Online as a whole and start working towards a vision of great interactions. Incursions were cool and all but how did they interact with wormhole space? with low sec? with high sec? with 0.0. They didn't. They were just... there. The best part about them was that they brought people together to run them but they could have evolved into so much more like linking them to Faction Warfare or into 0.0... or.. anything. The possibilities! But, no, they like so many awesome EVE things were left by their lonesome without entanglements.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
5158
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Posted - 2012.11.21 19:17:00 -
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Also it's pretty funny to watch people jump on the Godwin train without understanding what it means.
MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
HollyShocker 2inthestink
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.21 19:31:00 -
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In before Tipia......oh wait never mind |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
435
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Posted - 2012.11.21 19:31:00 -
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It actually doesn't ,it just pretty much says "EVE is interconnected" and we all need people who are not exactly like us. We (well, most of us) know that already lol.
What that post ends up doing is making a whole bunch of assumptions about...other people assumptions, and in doing so kind defeats it's own purpose.
CCP Gargant:-á this game requires a certain amount of simply going out there and chatting with people. You will get scammed, destroyed, cheated, trolled, and blown up but that is just a part of the essence of this game.
-á |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
5158
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Posted - 2012.11.21 19:33:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:It actually doesn't ,it just pretty much says "EVE is interconnected" and we all need people who are not exactly like us. We (well, most of us) know that already lol. What that post ends up doing is making a whole bunch of assumptions about...other people assumptions, and in doing so kind defeats it's own purpose.
Nope, that's not what the point of it is at all.
MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
235
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Posted - 2012.11.21 19:41:00 -
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Considering the source, I think the point might have been to suggest certain people back off on their crusade. Clearly that's not the case because they could stop paying for free ships on kills that aren't related to strategics.
R.I.P. Vile Rat |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
435
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Posted - 2012.11.21 19:44:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:It actually doesn't ,it just pretty much says "EVE is interconnected" and we all need people who are not exactly like us. We (well, most of us) know that already lol. What that post ends up doing is making a whole bunch of assumptions about...other people assumptions, and in doing so kind defeats it's own purpose. Nope, that's not what the point of it is at all.
What then is the point? "Be nice to everyone" or some such? If so the guy who wrote the article (wink lol, who ever could it be) should jsut HTFU or GTFO. Just typing words than end with capital O or capital U makes one feel better (lol).
But honestly, I've read the article twice, it just sounds like a guy trying to present what should be common sense as some big earth shattering revelation only he could reveal to the world.
CCP Gargant:-á this game requires a certain amount of simply going out there and chatting with people. You will get scammed, destroyed, cheated, trolled, and blown up but that is just a part of the essence of this game.
-á |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10388
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Posted - 2012.11.21 19:49:00 -
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Ioci wrote:Considering the source, I think the point might have been to suggest certain people back off on their crusade. What source would that be, and why would that affect the point?
Jenn aSide wrote:What then is the point? By the looks of it, GÇ£your reasoning for the removal of the other sucks. Don't perpetuate the nonsense, but rather provide a proper argument for good change instead.GÇ¥
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Fractal Muse
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.11.21 19:50:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:
But honestly, I've read the article twice, it just sounds like a guy trying to present what should be common sense as some big earth shattering revelation only he could reveal to the world.
Unfortunately, common sense isn't all that common.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
5161
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Posted - 2012.11.21 19:54:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Ioci wrote:Considering the source, I think the point might have been to suggest certain people back off on their crusade. What source would that be, and why would that affect the point? Jenn aSide wrote:What then is the point? By the looks of it, GÇ£your reasoning for the removal of the other sucks. Don't perpetuate the nonsense, but rather provide a proper argument for good change instead.GÇ¥
And as an example of a higher order consequence, the effort put into producing a proper argument for/against a change might lead to a change in one's perception of that change.
MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
235
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Posted - 2012.11.21 19:59:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Ioci wrote:Considering the source, I think the point might have been to suggest certain people back off on their crusade. What source would that be, and why would that affect the point?
It seems like I am pointing out the obvious and as such being baited but Mittani, Goons CEO, latest EVE campaign against High Sec all have a very current feel to them.
With Goons, it might be a message they are trying to convey or it might be a reproduction of a message someone else was trying to convey and goons are putting it out there much like you would if you pantsed a guy in the middle of the street.
They are capable of both.
R.I.P. Vile Rat |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
570
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Posted - 2012.11.21 20:02:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Especially #1 about Huge Generalizations.
Good article.
Yeah, here's some great examples of just how bad this can get!
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1463194#post1463194
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:I'd just like to thank all the Goons, their Pets, and Bloggers for helping to spread the word about the idiocy running rampant with the Meta-game aspects of EVE Online. My alt's original post (locked understandably due to 100% Goon Only responses. Where are the high sec players ? ....Oh, that's right.......) https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=119145Actually, most of these folks need lessons in Discourse and History. First of all, comparing 2 groups is not a statement of "is". Also, I do not see the word ****** mentioned anywhere despite what the Mittani SAYS. Unreal honestly. They must be 'keeping alive the spirit of Old school Propaganda'? Whatever floats your boat. Secondly, the Jews were castigated and chased around for time immemorial, without any kind of homeland UNTIL RECENT HISTORY. (and even then............) Somehow, it has been conveniently forgotten by these posters that the Holocaust encompassed only the smallest, most recent part of their MILLENIAS LONG history. To dismiss the previous diasporas and cultural conflagrations, EVEN AS RELEVANT TO THIS SITUATION, is to really demean their history folks. You disgust me and probably any actual Jewish people who read your crap. Our grandparents fought in that World War with the intent of eliminating the action-by-prejudicial-mindset utterly. I guess ultimately they failed. In fact I don't guess after all. Anyway, I just wanted to point out those few things, and provide links to the rest of the story as it has now grown and spread (thankfully) across 5 'media outlets': The Ancient Gaming Noob, The Nosy Gamer, Alikchi in EVE (thanks for Tweeting that link too Mittani--I woulda missed it), and disappointingly Jester's Trek....and Twitter. ( I love the one guy who is astonished that 'a high sec carebear would Follow the Mittani).
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1283345#post1283345
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:I want to thank The Mittani personally for showing me what a sham this game ultimately is.......a Theater of the Absurd for 35 year old bullies who never got over themselves.
Enjoy playing Goons Online.
They are not in CCP's pockets. They ARE the Pockets.
(For context, this was all after a single highsec POS was reinforced. That's right, not blown up, just reinforced. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10388
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Posted - 2012.11.21 20:03:00 -
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Ioci wrote:Tippia wrote:What source would that be, and why would that affect the point? It seems like I am pointing out the obvious and as such being baited but Mittani, Goons CEO, latest EVE campaign against High Sec all have a very current feel to them. Yeah, no. That's pretty obviously not the source.
GǪand it wouldn't affect the point if it were GÇö that's kind of the point. WellGǪ part of the point.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
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Posted - 2012.11.21 20:03:00 -
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Didn't we stop with the WW2 references back in 2010?
Enjoyed it none the less. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
435
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Posted - 2012.11.21 20:05:00 -
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Pohbis wrote:Didn't we stop with the WW2 references back in 2010?
NO :)
CCP Gargant:-á this game requires a certain amount of simply going out there and chatting with people. You will get scammed, destroyed, cheated, trolled, and blown up but that is just a part of the essence of this game.
-á |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
2946
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Posted - 2012.11.21 20:28:00 -
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Heh. RE: That Guardian article; I remember Limmy from dreamless.org
(a¦á_a¦â) ~ (my spaceblog) http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.co.uk/~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2012.11.21 20:30:00 -
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Spot on!
Issler |
Khergit Deserters
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Posted - 2012.11.21 20:35:00 -
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Good article, well said.
You live and learn.-á At any rate, you live.-á -Douglas Adams |
No More Heroes
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1703
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Posted - 2012.11.21 20:38:00 -
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Ioci wrote:Considering the source, I think the point might have been to suggest certain people back off on their crusade.
Tippia wrote:What source would that be, and why would that affect the point?
People keep equating Malcanis with goon because he writes for mittens.com even though we've been hostile to Malcanis and his fellows for a long time.
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