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Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.10.05 01:23:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Did you just talk about the 'opportunity cost' of a recreational activity? No one is blowing up ice miners to 'make lots of money'. They are blowing them up because it's hilarious and insurance and bounties are only relevant in as much as they offset the 'work' required to sustain the recreational activity.
When you consider that the whole internet spaceships thing is one big glorified spreadsheet, I think "opportunity cost" is relevant. Just take it to mean "I could be having fun doing this instead of having less fun doing that". I mean we have to be pretty weird to enjoy EVE in the first place... most people are busy playing Angry Birds.
That's what I mean though.
People are enjoying killing ice miners right now, so the 'opportunity cost' of doing something less enjoyable is completely irrelevant.
Cipher Jones is trying to min max for maximum isk/hour while at the moment GSF is min maxing for maximum enjoyment.
So is the game about making isk/hour or is it about enjoying yourself? When you started playing, did you think to yourself 'boy, I hope I can get that number changing as fast as I can' or did you think 'I want to nail tiny bitches in space'. |

Cipher Jones
50
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Posted - 2011.10.05 01:28:00 -
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Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Cipher Jones wrote: For example leaving out the part that the ganking cannot be sustained, and regardless of the insurance payouts, the amount of opportunity cost being wasted is astronomical. Or the fact that it benefits others greatly.
Did you just talk about the 'opportunity cost' of a recreational activity? No one is blowing up ice miners to 'make lots of money'. They are blowing them up because it's hilarious and insurance and bounties are only relevant in as much as they offset the 'work' required to sustain the recreational activity.
Rofl. You are not. Others are. And you are their tool.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |

Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2011.10.05 01:29:00 -
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holy crap
are you talking about isk/hr favorably in terms of ICE MINING
jesus christ |

Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
269
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Posted - 2011.10.05 01:31:00 -
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Querns wrote:holy crap
are you talking about isk/hr favorably in terms of ICE MINING
jesus christ It's Cipher Jones.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2011.10.05 01:34:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote: Rofl. You are not. Others are. And you are their tool.
You're right I'm not - Hand to hand combat does not interest me, so I am chilling out in the depths of space running a vast industrial enterprise instead.
That's kind of what I do. |

Ptraci
3 R Corporation
20
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Posted - 2011.10.05 01:38:00 -
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Querns wrote:holy crap
are you talking about isk/hr favorably in terms of ICE MINING
jesus christ
The only thing that beats ice mining in a fully tricked out Mackinaw top skills, the 5% implant, and a fully skilled Orca pilot is ABC mining in null sec.
But from your attitudes you seem to think that ice miners aren't allowed to own other ships or do other stuff in between mining ops. Hey it's not like once you wear a Mack, you never go back. But it certainly beats hanging around gate-camping or roaming in low sec hoping to find the one guy dumb enough to fight you but not good enough to kill you. |

Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2011.10.05 01:40:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:once you wear a Mack, you never go back.
That's the best thing you've ever said, don't cheapen it by posting further. |

Jita Alt666
302
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Posted - 2011.10.05 01:41:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Did you just talk about the 'opportunity cost' of a recreational activity? No one is blowing up ice miners to 'make lots of money'. They are blowing them up because it's hilarious and insurance and bounties are only relevant in as much as they offset the 'work' required to sustain the recreational activity.
When you consider that the whole internet spaceships thing is one big glorified spreadsheet, I think "opportunity cost" is relevant. Just take it to mean "I could be having fun doing this instead of having less fun doing that". I mean we have to be pretty weird to enjoy EVE in the first place... most people are busy playing Angry Birds.
Quote:If I add the value of enjoyment I perceive as a an integer between 1-100 on column AAC of my Eve Online Spreadsheet, it changes the opportunity cost of ganking ice miners by a factor of: Your tears make it worth it whatever the cost.
Your threads are bait for bored goons who are waiting for their global aggression timer to finish. You do not need to respond to them. You do not even need to read them. You are also sighting Cipher Jones as a competent source. He is about this competent. |

Zirse
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
81
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Posted - 2011.10.05 01:44:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:Querns wrote:holy crap
are you talking about isk/hr favorably in terms of ICE MINING
jesus christ The only thing that beats ice mining in a fully tricked out Mackinaw top skills, the 5% implant, and a fully skilled Orca pilot is ABC mining in null sec. But from your attitudes you seem to think that ice miners aren't allowed to own other ships or do other stuff in between mining ops. Hey it's not like once you wear a Mack, you never go back. But it certainly beats hanging around gate-camping or roaming in low sec hoping to find the one guy dumb enough to fight you but not good enough to kill you.
:OHGOD:
You do realize that if you make less than 60M an hour in this game you're doing it wrong? And 60M/h is not really anything to brag about either.
No one mines ABC in null because doing pretty much anything else is 10x more profitable.
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EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
66
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Posted - 2011.10.05 01:47:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:Querns wrote:holy crap
are you talking about isk/hr favorably in terms of ICE MINING
jesus christ The only thing that beats ice mining in a fully tricked out Mackinaw top skills, the 5% implant, and a fully skilled Orca pilot is ABC mining in null sec. But from your attitudes you seem to think that ice miners aren't allowed to own other ships or do other stuff in between mining ops. Hey it's not like once you wear a Mack, you never go back. But it certainly beats hanging around gate-camping or roaming in low sec hoping to find the one guy dumb enough to fight you but not good enough to kill you.
Actually, belt ratting in 0.0 beats everything you just listed.
Incursions beat it by a factor of at least 10. |
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Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
269
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Posted - 2011.10.05 01:48:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:The only thing that beats ice mining in a fully tricked out Mackinaw top skills, the 5% implant, and a fully skilled Orca pilot is ABC mining in null sec. lol now you're just trolling. Grats on lowering yourself to our level...it's fun down here!
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Jita Alt666
302
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Posted - 2011.10.05 01:51:00 -
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EnderCapitalG wrote:Ptraci wrote:Querns wrote:holy crap
are you talking about isk/hr favorably in terms of ICE MINING
jesus christ The only thing that beats ice mining in a fully tricked out Mackinaw top skills, the 5% implant, and a fully skilled Orca pilot is ABC mining in null sec. But from your attitudes you seem to think that ice miners aren't allowed to own other ships or do other stuff in between mining ops. Hey it's not like once you wear a Mack, you never go back. But it certainly beats hanging around gate-camping or roaming in low sec hoping to find the one guy dumb enough to fight you but not good enough to kill you. Actually, belt ratting in 0.0 beats everything you just listed. Incursions beat it by a factor of at least 10.
Thus the correct answer is, stop mining ice jump into a zealot or guardian and pew pew your way to riches?
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Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
269
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Posted - 2011.10.05 01:55:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:Thus the correct answer is, stop mining ice jump into a zealot or guardian and pew pew your way to riches?
Ratting in a guardian is a pro plan.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Jita Alt666
302
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Posted - 2011.10.05 02:12:00 -
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Ladie Scarlet wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Thus the correct answer is, stop mining ice jump into a zealot or guardian and pew pew your way to riches?
Ratting in a guardian is a pro plan.
Providing logistic support to an amour tanked incursion fleet is more or less pro? |

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
10
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Posted - 2011.10.05 02:32:00 -
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EnderCapitalG wrote: Actually, belt ratting in 0.0 beats everything you just listed.
Incursions beat it by a factor of at least 10.
LOL. A goon pretending to have a clue.
You even capitalized words and used punctuation.
Did you make your mom come all the way to the basement and type that for you?
Mr Epeen 
If you can read this, you haven't blocked me yet. |

Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2011.10.05 02:38:00 -
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man if you think that anyone except for barely displaced empire renters mine in nullsec or that mining is good isk/hr you should probably uninstall, no troll
There are dozens of ways to make money that beat that and most of them don't require sov |

gibboZA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.10.05 02:41:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:LOL. A goon pretending to have a clue. You even capitalized words and used punctuation. Did you make your mom come all the way to the basement and type that for you? Mr Epeen 
christ he's still signing his posts |

Woo Glin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
42
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Posted - 2011.10.05 02:43:00 -
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must be a WI plant |

Woo Glin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
42
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Posted - 2011.10.05 02:44:00 -
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If you're a deep cover WI spy post a lolcat |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
67
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Posted - 2011.10.05 02:57:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote: Actually, belt ratting in 0.0 beats everything you just listed.
Incursions beat it by a factor of at least 10.
LOL. A goon pretending to have a clue. You even capitalized words and used punctuation. Did you make your mom come all the way to the basement and type that for you? Mr Epeen 
Oh boy |
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Levarr Burton
B0rthole Test Alliance Please Ignore
40
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Posted - 2011.10.05 03:09:00 -
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Reading this thread gives me something to do besides touch myself while I wait for my Thorax-filled freighter to get to Gallente space. |

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
10
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Posted - 2011.10.05 03:34:00 -
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gibboZA wrote:
christ he's still signing his posts
Christ! He's still signing his posts.
Mr Epeen 
If you can read this, you haven't blocked me yet. |

David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
30
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Posted - 2011.10.05 03:57:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:gibboZA wrote:
christ he's still signing his posts
Christ! He's still signing his posts. Mr Epeen 
Good news, friends. It has learned punctuation.
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whaynethepain
8
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Posted - 2011.10.05 04:19:00 -
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Bump. |

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
10
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Posted - 2011.10.05 04:29:00 -
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David Cedarbridge wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:gibboZA wrote:
christ he's still signing his posts
Christ! He's still signing his posts. Mr Epeen  Good news, friends. It has learned punctuation.
After only one lesson?
I doubt it. But I can keep trying and maybe it will learn by example.
Mr Epeen  If you can read this, you haven't blocked me yet. |

Jita Alt666
302
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Posted - 2011.10.05 05:31:00 -
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I was pretty sure this thread had reached the gutter. The increasing prevalence of Mr Epeen posts provides empirical evidence of this. |

Jita Alt666
303
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Posted - 2011.10.05 05:44:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:gibboZA wrote:
christ he's still signing his posts
Christ! He's still signing his posts. Mr Epeen 
You are making a presumption that the word Christ is being used as an exclamation of surprise. There are other alternatives which would lead to other appropriate forms of punctuation. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
92
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Posted - 2011.10.05 05:48:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote: Actually, belt ratting in 0.0 beats everything you just listed.
Incursions beat it by a factor of at least 10.
LOL. A goon pretending to have a clue. You even capitalized words and used punctuation. Did you make your mom come all the way to the basement and type that for you? Mr Epeen 
obviously you know a lot more please tell us why he is wrong |

Apollo-Moor
xHELLonEARTHx Rookie Empire
21
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Posted - 2011.10.05 06:54:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Quote: I am sure there are others far more knowledgeable than me who can also share some insight You got this bit right, then you derped. If the miners have RR on the field, then you just bring arty and alpha your ******* Hulk to oblivion. Weirdly, RR is amazingly ineffective when the target lasts less than a second. Secondly, if you "win" (avoid the gank) you just make the ganker more determined, and then you're ****** over a lot worse than if you just stopped mining.
You lost a lot of lunch money as a kid huh..? |

Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
27
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Posted - 2011.10.05 07:12:00 -
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Apollo-Moor wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Quote: I am sure there are others far more knowledgeable than me who can also share some insight You got this bit right, then you derped. If the miners have RR on the field, then you just bring arty and alpha your ******* Hulk to oblivion. Weirdly, RR is amazingly ineffective when the target lasts less than a second. Secondly, if you "win" (avoid the gank) you just make the ganker more determined, and then you're ****** over a lot worse than if you just stopped mining. You lost a lot of lunch money as a kid huh..?
Yea, my pockets couldn't hold all of your lunch money, it kept falling out.
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