When you factor in actual loss (insurance FTW) no, not really at all.

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Your only logical next step is to stop mining. Everything else is stupid.

the real question is, how high does the price of isotopes have to go before it is worth you mining in a battleship instead of a miner?


how much can you mine in a domi?

that might change the dynamics of suicide ganks eh?

No I know you guys have limitless money and industrial power. The real limit is skilled characters you are willing to have take a standing hit. No "10 hour heroes" are going to be doing alphas with artillery tempests. So either you get your real combat pilots here for a gank-fest (but if they're here, they're not THERE defending your null space) and have them take sec status hits, or continue with rookie alts in relatively easy to skill for cruisers.

But null space needs empire space to survive, after a fashion. If all your real pilots start taking sec hits, it's not going to work. So there is a real limit despite what you'd like me to think, and that limit is not money or ships.

this is forum war, your baby words have no place here

and macks can be tanked + linked so they resist a cruiser gank they probably scanned them because, you know, the rookie ship could see you

i would laugh so ******* hard if I saw people ice mining in a dominix

even at hideously insane ice prices thats still making literally pennies an hour

You keep talking about how little they are making an hour???

How come you are all so worried about them then?

Don't just "survive" the goons, fight back, ***** on some killmails and thwart their nefarious plot. Put a couple fast locking ranged ships in the belt with you and one of two things will happen.

- they won't try to gank you.

I wasn't in a mack/hulk/orca...I was waiting to help kill those two cruisers. And yes, everyone could see me. Deterrence, Reagan style. Also, I'm having a lot of fun taunting goonies on forums, making them mad enough to start calling me bad names on an internet forum. It's amazing how quickly this actually happens.

I wasn't in a mack/hulk/orca...I was waiting to help kill those two cruisers. And yes, everyone could see me. Deterrence, Reagan style. Also, I'm having a lot of fun taunting goonies on forums, making them mad enough to start calling me bad names on an internet forum. It's amazing how quickly this actually happens.

waiting to kill the crusiers how? after concord blew them up?

Sure, you can use strips on a battleship.
Sure.

Perhaps in this context "killing" actually means denying them a kill, making them die for nothing.

Perhaps in this context "killing" actually means denying them a kill, making them die for nothing.

ok so the verb kill, which means to destroy or do away with actually means to deny a kill, the opposite of killing, right.

Yeah, it's about the same twisted logic that you use when you get an adrenaline rush attacking an industrial ship that has no turrets or launchers and is incapable of fighting back, and brag about a "kill mail" and even keep a "kill board". Logic can be funny that way.

Yeah, it's about the same twisted logic that you use when you get an adrenaline rush attacking an industrial ship that has no turrets or launchers and is incapable of fighting back, and brag about a "kill mail" and even keep a "kill board". Logic can be funny that way.

Yeah, it's about the same twisted logic that you use when you get an adrenaline rush attacking an industrial ship that has no turrets or launchers and is incapable of fighting back, and brag about a "kill mail" and even keep a "kill board". Logic can be funny that way.

If you don't like the idea of being the fish in this game, buy yourself a rod and line.

No I know you guys have limitless money and industrial power. The real limit is skilled characters you are willing to have take a standing hit

Yep and turn the predators into the prey.

It's a funny old game, you can get to -10 and keep on gankin' in highsec.

The only limit on how often people will do this, is their level of commitment.

Sure, you can keep griefing (let's not call it ganking, I'd like to reserve that word for low sec players who are far more creative than you) all you want regardless of your sec level. But for all that other stuff - like - moving goods to and from the market hubs, well, that's hard to do with -10. So you can choose to stay a null-bear forever where -10 doesn't matter, but you will always have to rely on someone else to move your stuff around for you for a long, long time. Like you said, it takes a lot of commitment. On a throwaway alt, who cares. But on a real char? Hmmm.

As for someone pointing out earlier a metaphor about being a hawk diving on its prey, I see the goon's current campaign as a mushroom sprouting on a turd. Please don't kid yourselves, there is nothing glorious or even hard about what you are doing. Even a 10 hour old character can do it...

Sure, you can keep griefing (let's not call it ganking, I'd like to reserve that word for low sec players who are far more creative than you) all you want regardless of your sec level. But for all that other stuff - like - moving goods to and from the market hubs, well, that's hard to do with -10. So you can choose to stay a null-bear forever where -10 doesn't matter, but you will always have to rely on someone else to move your stuff around for you for a long, long time. Like you said, it takes a lot of commitment. On a throwaway alt, who cares. But on a real char? Hmmm.

As for someone pointing out earlier a metaphor about being a hawk diving on its prey, I see the goon's current campaign as a mushroom sprouting on a turd. Please don't kid yourselves, there is nothing glorious or even hard about what you are doing. Even a 10 hour old character can do it...

Please don't kid yourselves, there is nothing glorious or even hard about what you are doing. Even a 10 hour old character can do it...