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Relgast
Losi Laboratories
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Posted - 2012.11.23 19:59:00 -
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This is a thought i have had, and i thought i would mention it and see what other people thought of it...
Some people dont want multiple accounts, with millions of toons to manage... What they want is to train their 3 toons all at once, rather than just being able to train one at a time..
What if CCP offered a $4.99/mo "Additional Skill Queue" addon to your account... Where for each addon, you could train an additional character at a time.
What do you guys think? Would you do it? Would this be a decent revenue stream for CCP?
Gast
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Mistah Ewedynao
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.23 20:01:00 -
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Relgast wrote:This is a thought i have had, and i thought i would mention it and see what other people thought of it...
Some people dont want multiple accounts, with millions of toons to manage... What they want is to train their 3 toons all at once, rather than just being able to train one at a time..
What if CCP offered a $4.99/mo "Additional Skill Queue" addon to your account... Where for each addon, you could train an additional character at a time.
What do you guys think? Would you do it? Would this be a decent revenue stream for CCP?
Gast
Great way to make a ton of isk selling characters |
baltec1
Bat Country
2912
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Posted - 2012.11.23 20:02:00 -
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No its a pay to win and we have zero interest in it. We have already burned down one statue to stop this kind of thing creeping into this game. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10411
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Posted - 2012.11.23 20:03:00 -
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Mistah Ewedynao wrote:Great way to make a ton of isk selling characters Great way to make character sales yield zero ISK.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
10725
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Posted - 2012.11.23 20:06:00 -
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Wait, you're serious...... hahahahahaha
CCP Zulu.....
Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Relgast
Losi Laboratories
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Posted - 2012.11.23 20:07:00 -
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What if the "additional queues" would train at 50% speed or something like that... so its not such a pay to win...
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blake fallout
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.23 20:09:00 -
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Relgast wrote:What if the "additional queues" would train at 50% speed or something like that... so its not such a pay to win...
Asked befour - And .... Nothing Happened ..... So.
Linkin park |
baltec1
Bat Country
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Posted - 2012.11.23 20:10:00 -
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Relgast wrote:What if the "additional queues" would train at 50% speed or something like that... so its not such a pay to win...
Its still pay to win and thus, not welcome in this game. |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2012.11.23 20:13:00 -
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Its an interesting idea but to be honest one account = one character can train has been a part of eve since its creation, messing with that formula now is a good way to lose a lot of players in a big hurry.
Plus as people have said it reeks of pay to win, somrthing which isnt very popular around here at all. |
Generals4
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Posted - 2012.11.23 20:14:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Relgast wrote:What if the "additional queues" would train at 50% speed or something like that... so its not such a pay to win...
Its still pay to win and thus, not welcome in this game.
You would be correct if it were pay to win to begin with. Allowing you to train two toons on the same account for an extra 5$ is as much pay to win as being able to train two characters for an extra 15$ (creating a new char). In the first case you have the limitation you can't use both accounts simultanously and pay less and that's where the difference ends. So if that's pay to win you better start whining about having multiple accounts because it's pay to win too.
-Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
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Posted - 2012.11.23 20:15:00 -
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bad idea. 1/10
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Relgast
Losi Laboratories
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Posted - 2012.11.23 20:18:00 -
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I understand the fear of "pay to win", i think everyone agrees that concept is bad... However, dont we already have that? If you want a top end char, buy some plex, sell for isk, buy toon = win.
How would this kind of program be any different? |
Jeremy Soikutsu
Homeworld Republic
Intrepid Crossing
25
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Posted - 2012.11.23 20:19:00 -
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Generals4 wrote:baltec1 wrote:Relgast wrote:What if the "additional queues" would train at 50% speed or something like that... so its not such a pay to win...
Its still pay to win and thus, not welcome in this game. You would be correct if it were pay to win to begin with. Allowing you to train two toons on the same account for an extra 5$ is as much pay to win as being able to train two characters for an extra 15$ (creating a new char). In the first case you have the limitation you can't use both toons simultanously and pay less and that's where the difference ends. So if that's pay to win you better start whining about having multiple accounts because it's pay to win too. This said this idea won't ever be implemented because it's bad business for CCP.
Probably not empty quoting. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2012.11.23 20:20:00 -
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5$ is way too cheap for such an advantage. It should be at least double that per additional training character. |
Demolishar
United Aggression
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Posted - 2012.11.23 20:21:00 -
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Nah, pointless. |
David Campbell
Riposte.
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Posted - 2012.11.23 20:21:00 -
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If that feature was available for a fee a bit lower than the cost of an other account, I don't see how this would fall under the "pay 2 win" category. Remember that you can't be logged in 2 characters on the same account at the same time. But 4.99$ a month is too low. For it to be fair it should be at least around 20Gé¼ (24$). |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
173
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Posted - 2012.11.23 20:24:00 -
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Relgast wrote:I understand the fear of "pay to win", i think everyone agrees that concept is bad... However, dont we already have that? If you want a top end char, buy some plex, sell for isk, buy toon = win.
How would this kind of program be any different?
Because someone has had to train that character to that level using the one account = one character training model before you can buy it, I admit its a pretty fine distinction but it is there. |
Generals4
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Posted - 2012.11.23 20:24:00 -
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David Campbell wrote:If that feature was available for a fee a bit lower than the cost of an other account, I don't see how this would fall under the "pay 2 win" category. Remember that you can't be logged in 2 characters on the same account at the same time. But 4.99$ a month is too low. For it to be fair it should be at least around 20Gé¼ (24$).
Why would anyone in his right mind pay 20Gé¼ to train skills on a toon he can't use while using his main when he could just get a new account and train skills for 15Gé¼ a month and be able to multibox.
-Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. |
Relgast
Losi Laboratories
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Posted - 2012.11.23 20:26:00 -
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I came up with the $4.99 based on:
$15/mo get your 1 skill queue and 3 char slots
so, a third of that would get you a queue but no additional char slots... (sorry i dont know conversions to the other currencies)
Sounds like the value of a skill queue is "most" of the value of the account, based on what i am reading here...
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Mai Khumm
Homeworld Republic
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2012.11.23 20:30:00 -
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$4.99 for an additional slot, or $14.99 per toon.
Mmmmmmmm, let me think what they'd rather do...
Since EVE will be pay to win very soon. --> 65 Mil SP subcap pilot/45 Mil SP Caldari-Indy Cap pilot looking for Powerbloc Coalition... |
Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
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Posted - 2012.11.23 20:30:00 -
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Relgast wrote:
What if CCP offered a $4.99/mo "Additional Skill Queue" addon to your account...
Gast
Im not sure but if so,I quit EvE, also no advantage for money, but would be nice to swich character without restrarting eve client, of course for free! :D |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10411
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Posted - 2012.11.23 20:31:00 -
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David Campbell wrote:If that feature was available for a fee a bit lower than the cost of an other account, I don't see how this would fall under the "pay 2 win" category. Because you get access to more stuff and more abilities than you normally get by paying for it.
What the OP wants already exists: it's called getting a second account (and maybe getting a character transfer at the end).
Relgast wrote:I came up with the $4.99 based on:
$15/mo get your 1 skill queue and 3 char slots You miscalculated. For $15, you get one month of server access and one month (and three days) of skill training. If you want another month of skill training on top of that, but no additional server access, $13 would probably be a better price. Sure, in terms of actual costs, the server access probably costs CCP more, but since it's the training time you want to buy, it'll be the one that drives the price up.
At that point, you might as well go for the full $15 to get double access, and then everyone's happy.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2012.11.23 20:32:00 -
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Relgast wrote:I came up with the $4.99 based on:
$15/mo get your 1 skill queue and 3 char slots
so, a third of that would get you a queue but no additional char slots... (sorry i dont know conversions to the other currencies)
Sounds like the value of a skill queue is "most" of the value of the account, based on what i am reading here...
Pretty much yes, only real reasons to have multiple characters on an account is either because youve trained everything you want to on one and are training the second while using the first or if you want a throwaway alt for random crap you cant do with your main.
Ive got one on my account for low level hauling in highsec, since im -10 it isnt worth me doing it on my main. |
Zoctrine
Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.23 20:33:00 -
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David Campbell wrote:If that feature was available for a fee a bit lower than the cost of an other account, I don't see how this would fall under the "pay 2 win" category. Remember that you can't be logged in 2 characters on the same account at the same time. But 4.99$ a month is too low. For it to be fair it should be at least around 20Gé¼ (24$).
Uhmm... Why do that? |
Jame Jarl Retief
Murientor Tribe
Defiant Legacy
384
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Posted - 2012.11.23 20:37:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:No its a pay to win and we have zero interest in it. We have already burned down one statue to stop this kind of thing creeping into this game.
That's very hypocritical.
Right this minute I could go buy 60 PLEX, convert it into 30 Billion ISK and buy a character with 100 million SP. How is that not pay-to-win?
Oh, sure, the character had to be created first. Which means someone did it. But how is someone doing it on alt account really different from CCP simply creating one out of thin air? To the end-consumer (i.e. pay-to-win guy) there's zero difference where the character comes from. |
Mr Pragmatic
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Posted - 2012.11.23 20:43:00 -
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I like it.
Bitter vets hate any new ideas. Unless its destroying miners. cause your KM whoring is so important.
Maybe this world is another planet's hell. -Aldous Huxley
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10411
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Posted - 2012.11.23 20:44:00 -
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Jame Jarl Retief wrote:Right this minute I could go buy 60 PLEX, convert it into 30 Billion ISK and buy a character with 100 million SP. How is that not pay-to-win? Because you're not creating more than already exists or bypassing any mechanics in doing so.
Quote:But how is someone doing it on alt account really different from CCP simply creating one out of thin air? Because doing it the hard way means following a swath of balancing mechanics that keep the economy of characters and abilities in check and keeps them all from being worthless.
By your logic, spending a second to type /add_ISK 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 and is no different than spending a decade hunting rats to spawn all that ISK.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
David Campbell
Riposte.
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Posted - 2012.11.23 20:50:00 -
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Zoctrine wrote:David Campbell wrote:If that feature was available for a fee a bit lower than the cost of an other account, I don't see how this would fall under the "pay 2 win" category. Remember that you can't be logged in 2 characters on the same account at the same time. But 4.99$ a month is too low. For it to be fair it should be at least around 20Gé¼ (24$). Uhmm... Why do that?
Because those 20Gé¼ more would give you 2 additional training queues when you would need 2 accounts @ 15Gé¼ each for the same result with current mechanic. The tradeoff being that you wouldn't be able to log in you character simultaneously hence the slightly reduce fee over additional accounts.
It would be a choice to make, making it possible for people with different gameplays to find the solution that better fit their need. I honestly don't know if this feature is needed though. I'm just saying that if it were to be implemented, 20Gé¼ more would be a sweat spot, not 4.99$. |
baltec1
Bat Country
2912
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Posted - 2012.11.23 20:53:00 -
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David Campbell wrote:Zoctrine wrote:David Campbell wrote:If that feature was available for a fee a bit lower than the cost of an other account, I don't see how this would fall under the "pay 2 win" category. Remember that you can't be logged in 2 characters on the same account at the same time. But 4.99$ a month is too low. For it to be fair it should be at least around 20Gé¼ (24$). Uhmm... Why do that? Because those 20Gé¼ more would give you 2 additional training queues when you would need 2 accounts @ 15Gé¼ each for the same result with current mechanic. The tradeoff being that you wouldn't be able to log in you character simultaneously hence the slightly reduce fee over additional accounts. It would be a choice to make, making it possible for people with different gameplays to find the solution that better fit their need. I honestly don't know if this feature is needed though. I'm just saying that if it were to be implemented, 20Gé¼ more would be a sweat spot, not 4.99$.
So CCP ends up losing money... |
Dave stark
Black Nova Corp.
R O G U E
682
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Posted - 2012.11.23 21:02:00 -
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or you could just, y'know, make another account?
Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
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