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Vicker Lahn'se
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Posted - 2005.04.26 16:31:00 -
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Do most interceptor pilots use afterburners or micro warp drives?
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Ortu Konsinni
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Posted - 2005.04.26 16:34:00 -
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Most use MWDs but an AB is a nice thing to use sometimes.
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Antoinette Civari
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Posted - 2005.04.26 16:36:00 -
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There`s no reason why a ceptor pilot should use an afterburner. Ever. The ceptor`s defence is its speed.
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theblaze
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Posted - 2005.04.26 16:36:00 -
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AB won't allow you to outrun all missiles - so I would stick to the MWD
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2005.04.26 16:43:00 -
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Edited by: Gariuys on 26/04/2005 16:44:13
mwd
while on the topic. Wonder what people where complaining about cap wise. My stilleto runs mwd 2x scrambler and web just fine.
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xaioguai
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Posted - 2005.04.26 17:05:00 -
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 Originally by: Gariuys
Edited by: Gariuys on 26/04/2005 16:44:13
mwd
while on the topic. Wonder what people where complaining about cap wise. My stilleto runs mwd 2x scrambler and web just fine.
I think signature radus is more of concern in tight orbit.
Just lost a claw to a harpy the other day because his rail track better than my 200mm ac 
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Saerid
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Posted - 2005.04.26 17:07:00 -
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On the MWD vs AB issue: One thing worth considering now is target painters, especially if they become more commonly used. One or two T2 painters with good skills make for fairly fatal increase in sig radius.
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Jack Blank
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Posted - 2005.04.26 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: xaioguai
Just lost a claw to a harpy the other day because his rail track better than my 200mm ac
also harpys can tank really well, i wouldnt attack a af in an inty without backup.
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xaioguai
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Posted - 2005.04.26 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Blank
Originally by: xaioguai
Just lost a claw to a harpy the other day because his rail track better than my 200mm ac
also harpys can tank really well, i wouldnt attack a af in an inty without backup.
I think i can own that harpy if i have AB on board....oh well...
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Uglious
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Posted - 2005.04.26 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Antoinette Civari
There`s no reason why a ceptor pilot should use an afterburner. Ever. The ceptor`s defence is its speed.
There is now: A tempest with a rack full of target painters. With mwd on, if you get painted, you show up bigger than a fleet of BS's would. Till that bug is fixed, mwd on anything could make you a big fat target. 
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Hoozin
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Posted - 2005.04.26 17:21:00 -
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With Decent skills the speed boost still outweighs the sig penalty of the MWD so from my opinion:
Long-Range => AB
Close-Range => MWD
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Julien Derida
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Posted - 2005.04.26 17:35:00 -
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Before target painters were introduced, the only choice was MWD. Dictating range is everything for an interceptor pilot, and therefore speed is king.
Since the introduction of the target painters, you could make an argument for fitting an AB on an ceptor for the purpose of tackling turret BSs. Missiles would be a very severe problem for you however.
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ElCapitan
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Posted - 2005.04.26 17:38:00 -
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definately MWD, you have to be able to approach your target fast.
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Liet Traep
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Posted - 2005.04.26 17:53:00 -
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target painters are really nasty though.
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2005.04.26 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: xaioguai
Originally by: Gariuys
Edited by: Gariuys on 26/04/2005 16:44:13
mwd
while on the topic. Wonder what people where complaining about cap wise. My stilleto runs mwd 2x scrambler and web just fine.
I think signature radus is more of concern in tight orbit.
Just lost a claw to a harpy the other day because his rail track better than my 200mm ac
That's just poor piloting on your part. What happened is simple, you orbit with mwd running, but never reach your top speed, half at best, with the sig increase, that means you're easily twice as easy to hit, then without the mwd. While your own speed is messing with your autocannons tracking... there's a lesson here. Don't keep the mwd running once in orbit unless there's big missiles involved. And NEVER EVER underestimate the tracking of small long range guns ( killed a fair share of ships that way )
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Gariuys
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Posted - 2005.04.26 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: xaioguai
Originally by: Jack Blank
Originally by: xaioguai
Just lost a claw to a harpy the other day because his rail track better than my 200mm ac
also harpys can tank really well, i wouldnt attack a af in an inty without backup.
I think i can own that harpy if i have AB on board....oh well...
Probably since that makes you twice as hard to hit ( easily, it's very likely to be more ) instead of twice as easy like your mwd example. Big difference, enough to make the rails not track you. But with only a ab, you would get owned on the approach in all likelyhood. 
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
xaioguai
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Posted - 2005.04.26 18:32:00 -
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Edited by: xaioguai on 26/04/2005 18:37:39
Originally by: Gariuys
Originally by: xaioguai
Originally by: Gariuys
Edited by: Gariuys on 26/04/2005 16:44:13
mwd
while on the topic. Wonder what people where complaining about cap wise. My stilleto runs mwd 2x scrambler and web just fine.
I think signature radus is more of concern in tight orbit.
Just lost a claw to a harpy the other day because his rail track better than my 200mm ac
That's just poor piloting on your part. What happened is simple, you orbit with mwd running, but never reach your top speed, half at best, with the sig increase, that means you're easily twice as easy to hit, then without the mwd. While your own speed is messing with your autocannons tracking... there's a lesson here. Don't keep the mwd running once in orbit unless there's big missiles involved. And NEVER EVER underestimate the tracking of small long range guns ( killed a fair share of ships that way )
Agree.......cheap lesson tho, just another ship lost 
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Montero
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Posted - 2005.04.26 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Antoinette Civari
There`s no reason why a ceptor pilot should use an afterburner. Ever. The ceptor`s defence is its speed.
that.
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.04.26 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: ElCapitan
definately MWD, you have to be able to approach your target fast.
Yep.
It's a very fun sport to go tackle snipers 100km away.
I don't know if that would even be possible with an AB.
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Deepeh
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Posted - 2005.04.26 22:30:00 -
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Never use anything other than a MWD on my interceptors... actually I don't even buy tech 1's but I go for tech 2's straight away :)
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Olivin
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Posted - 2005.04.26 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: Vicker Lahn'se
Do most interceptor pilots use afterburners or micro warp drives?
Personally I prefer to use AB because MWD kills whole idea of small-hard-to-hit interceptor. Yes, speed is a king, but size is a queen.
Olivin
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Nytemaster
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Posted - 2005.04.26 23:34:00 -
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Originally by: Hoozin
With Decent skills the speed boost still outweighs the sig penalty of the MWD so from my opinion:
Long-Range => AB
Close-Range => MWD
I disagree. If you are looking for a setup to tackle with, a MWD is the only thing you can catch up to if you are at long range.
Example: Last night, two ceptors and two BS jump a couple BS from about 30km out. Having only the AB II allows them to get out before getting within 7500m of my -4 scramble setup. My max speed was around 1500m/s with the AB II.
Although it's good if you plan on being a damage dealer and don't want to get hit against big ships, it really sucks when you are tackling. Point is a MWD is sometimes the only thing between a successful tackle and no tackle.
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Tobias Raddick
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Posted - 2005.04.27 00:00:00 -
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I'd avoid MWDs on a 'ceptor like the plague. They all but completely negate the 'hard-to-hit' aspects of the 'ceptor, making ABs (or with high skills over-sized ABs) the professional's choice. As has already been noted, dictating range is vital to a 'ceptor pilot who wants to survive combat.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.04.27 01:22:00 -
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Yep, and by using an AB you sacrifice the choice of range to my MWD. gg.
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2005.04.27 07:32:00 -
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Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 27/04/2005 07:32:13
Fitted up my "Stiletto" with all "Populsion Mods" in lows. Then AB II in med. It zoooooooooooooooooooms! Just most don't want to add stuff like that. Rather have "Tanking", "Cap" or "Gunnery/Damage" support instead.
Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
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Julien Derida
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Posted - 2005.04.27 09:40:00 -
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Are you people seriously saying that you use an AB on an inty for normal combat? Are you insane? You will die to any inty using a MWD.
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Deepeh
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Posted - 2005.04.27 10:15:00 -
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Originally by: Julien Derida
Are you people seriously saying that you use an AB on an inty for normal combat? Are you insane? You will die to any inty using a MWD.
That's debatable, if you web him, scramble him and put a nosferatu on him, odds are that you will obliterate him in a second. :)
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Julien Derida
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Posted - 2005.04.27 11:27:00 -
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Edited by: Julien Derida on 27/04/2005 11:30:50
Originally by: Deepeh
That's debatable, if you web him, scramble him and put a nosferatu on him, odds are that you will obliterate him in a second. :)
How so? The inty with the MWD will be able dictate the range of the engagement in the vast majority of circumstances. He will only be in nos range and web range if he wants to be there. You can therefore assume that he's set up to fight at that range. It is therefore an even fight. The cap advantage that the AB gives is too small to matter in such a short engagement.
To summarise:
Close Range AB Inty Vs Close Range MWD Inty = Even fight
Close Range AB Inty Vs Long Range MWD Inty = Dead AB Inty
Long Range AB Inty Vs Close Range MWD Inty = Dead AB Inty
Long Range AB Inty Vs Long Range MWD Inty = Even fight
Of course, the MWD inty can also choose not to engage in all these situations.
Interceptors are aggressive ships. You should be forcing the fight to happen on your terms. If you want to sit back and let others dictate the range of the fight, you would be better off in an AF.
Edit: I don't meant to rant here  . If people want to fly interceptors with ABs then more power to them. It makes my life easier .
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Karmic
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Posted - 2005.04.27 11:53:00 -
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Edited by: Karmic on 27/04/2005 12:00:35
Originally by: Julien Derida
Edited by: Julien Derida on 27/04/2005 11:30:50
Originally by: Deepeh
That's debatable, if you web him, scramble him and put a nosferatu on him, odds are that you will obliterate him in a second. :)
How so? The inty with the MWD will be able dictate the range of the engagement in the vast majority of circumstances. He will only be in nos range and web range if he wants to be there. You can therefore assume that he's set up to fight at that range. It is therefore an even fight. The cap advantage that the AB gives is too small to matter in such a short engagement.
To summarise:
Close Range AB Inty Vs Close Range MWD Inty = Even fight
Close Range AB Inty Vs Long Range MWD Inty = Dead AB Inty
Long Range AB Inty Vs Close Range MWD Inty = Dead AB Inty
Long Range AB Inty Vs Long Range MWD Inty = Even fight
Of course, the MWD inty can also choose not to engage in all these situations.
Interceptors are aggressive ships. You should be forcing the fight to happen on your terms. If you want to sit back and let others dictate the range of the fight, you would be better off in an AF.
Edit: I don't meant to rant here . If people want to fly interceptors with ABs then more power to them. It makes my life easier .
Jules I will introduce you to my claw with an ab fitted
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.04.27 11:59:00 -
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If missiles are a concern then MWD. But I have had great success using AB intys against cruisers and BS. Medium and Large guns can simply not hit you with such a low sig radius and a 20k orbit. I have even jumped in on sniping gankageddons and been able to AB back to the gate before they can hit more then once or twice (for crappy damage).
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