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Arcticblue2
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Posted - 2005.04.28 21:54:00 -
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I call these latest attack on miners griefing no matter what... I don't classify empirewars against for example a alliances miningforce, that is tactics but ganking of miners the gankers is not at war with is terrorism, harrasment and what ever you will call it... and this is with CCP's blessing even.
Why ? they claim you (CCP) have said "go for it" just because they loose their kestrel, caracal and so does not make it more right... to fight someone they have not gone to war against is just plain wrong.
You CCP better fix this before you start loosing players... suicide attacks towards innocent people (note people you have not declared war upon) should be a bannable offence under harrasment.
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Tairos Hakonnus
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Posted - 2005.04.28 21:57:00 -
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Reatu Krentor
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Posted - 2005.04.28 22:07:00 -
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if you attack a random person in secure space, yeah i'd call that griefing, however if say you create an alt to harass one of your corporate enemies and just them that wouldn't be griefing, even though he would think so, its all very complicated  .
So if you do it to cause grief to the other person for nothing more than personal enjoyment, its griefing. But its a fine line between griefing and "legitimate"(for a specific reason) harassment.
These are my thoughts on it, not U'k or anyone elses fyi ...
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Arcticblue2
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Posted - 2005.04.28 22:13:00 -
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Well did make me abit unclear there but yeah like Ashley Sky & Co. now is doing I call harrasment, they do this for personal enjoyment they attack random miners in empire.
That is why I said that attacking miners that belong to a corp or alliance you are at war with is a valid action, attacking miners just because they are miners in empire for personal enjoyment is bad... and should be bannable offence.
CCP should let us know what they think of this... or do they think it is okey to conduct terrorism against random miners in empire ?
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Tragar
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Posted - 2005.04.28 22:19:00 -
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If they agree to it happening consider it there loss..
It is afterall their customers who will be terminateing there accounts.
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Face Lifter
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Posted - 2005.04.28 22:20:00 -
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Maybe CCP should also ban all the NPCs from belts, who ALWAYS gank poor miners. They are almost in every freaken belt and they don't even ask for ransom or anything. NPCs just attack you for no reason! They are greifers and terrorists. CCP, you don't want to be labeled as supporters of terrorism, do you? Remove NPCs from the belts
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Arcticblue2
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Posted - 2005.04.28 22:26:00 -
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Facelifter did I mention that ??? no ... I did not even say you can't attack miners in empire what I did say is that CCP should make it clear if they allow griefing or terrorism against attack on people the griefers have not declared war against.
That is why you got the war system you know... this is not even a call for nerfing more in the game... just clearification and so, I don't ask for any weapons nerf or ship upgrades of miningbarges.
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Tragar
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Posted - 2005.04.28 22:31:00 -
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err Face Lifter will you stfu?
Think about it your a week old gallente rookie in duripant. You have finally saved enough isk from those pesky tutorial missions to buy yourself an Imicus. You go outside hop in a belt. A kestral comes along, ganks the hell out of you warps out then logs.
Now this may well be part of the game but it is forceing people to quit. What sort of game would this be if cheap tech 1 friggie squads roamed around popping everything before concord can come along. This needs to be nipped in the bud before any more rookies abandon eve.
To be fair if its low sec and they get ganked thats there own fault.
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DukDodgerz
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Posted - 2005.04.28 22:34:00 -
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 Originally by: Face Lifter
Maybe CCP should also ban all the NPCs from belts, who ALWAYS gank poor miners. They are almost in every freaken belt and they don't even ask for ransom or anything. NPCs just attack you for no reason! They are greifers and terrorists. CCP, you don't want to be labeled as supporters of terrorism, do you? Remove NPCs from the belts
typical griefer speaks...
crawl back into the pigs butt that spawned you griefer...
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Tairos Hakonnus
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Posted - 2005.04.28 22:40:00 -
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If you can't handle losing a few ships, quit Eve and do the rest of us real players a favor. I've lost several hundred mil worth of ships in the past couple weeks and you don't see me here *****ing about how hard a pirate's life is and how none of the evil griefer ship-producers on the trade channel won't sell me another ship.
Learn how to overcome adversity on your own and stop crying to MommyCCP about it.
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Arcticblue2
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Posted - 2005.04.28 22:44:00 -
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Edited by: Arcticblue2 on 28/04/2005 22:46:09
Actually I have not lost any miners ... I do mine in both lowsec as in highsec.. and I do take my loss easy.
I have also lost hundreds of millions in ships to agents, I don't complain I would not complain even if it was to players as long as I have a fighting chance.
What I do react on is the terrorism brought to newer players ... I don't like the way this game is heading and CCP seems so far to be okey with this, I would love to hear they version of this.
My complain about this is quite simply ... why do CCP allow terrorism in this game...
edit: that is not entire true, I have lost one large miningbarge but that was my own fault and I did lock the hauler and shot someone in my gang... but I don't cry about it do I ?
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Ryctor
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Posted - 2005.04.28 22:50:00 -
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Edited by: Ryctor on 28/04/2005 22:52:28
Boohoo Boohoo......go play WoW.
AND these arn't "new" players that are getting attacked. They are usually large barge pilots. Stop using the new player arguement as some catch all to protest **** you dont like.
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Mak'shar Karrde
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Posted - 2005.04.28 22:52:00 -
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Quote:
. You go outside hop in a belt. A kestral comes along, ganks the hell out of you warps out then logs.
Correct me if i'm wrong anybody but isn't avoiding Concord justice considered an exploit?
If they get their ship blown up as a result then there are no problems. They might have a friend along to scoop up loot but nobody has banned miners from making friends too.
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Arcticblue2
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Posted - 2005.04.28 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ryctor
Boohoo Boohoo......go play WoW.
Sorry don't like WoW... not that I have really played it eiter...
You fail to see this protection you guys too ... (orethiefs) as it would not allow miners to suicide gank orethiefs... but then again ... don't expect more from you.
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Ryctor
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Posted - 2005.04.28 22:56:00 -
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Edited by: Ryctor on 28/04/2005 22:57:01
Originally by: Arcticblue2
You fail to see this protection you guys too ... (orethiefs) as it would not allow miners to suicide gank orethiefs... but then again ... don't expect more from you.
Except I dont need CCP to hold my hand and protect me from the ebil "terrorists". Maybe hello kitty will be more your style Blue. <^.^>
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Lorth
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Posted - 2005.04.28 22:58:00 -
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The game shouldn't be completly safe in any sysytem perioud.
That being said, have you seen the prices on tech 2 strip miners? I'm considering doing this myself if only for the loot.
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Arcticblue2
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Posted - 2005.04.28 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ryctor
Except I dont need CCP to hold my hand and protect me from the ebil "terrorists". Maybe hello kitty will be more your style Blue. <^.^>
So you admit these are terrorist then, harrasment is illegal stated by CCP and if you suicide kestrel/caracal miners for pure pleasure then you are harrasing innocent people.
This is what I want CCP to see... and make a statement about.
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Ryctor
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Posted - 2005.04.28 23:03:00 -
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Whatever buttercup. Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. I on the other hand will take great joy from popping some asshat barge in jita....just so I can have that 30 million isk modulated strip miner 2.
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2005.04.28 23:06:00 -
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You can call this greifing all you like, but i think it should be allowed because you have to be a total fool to get ganked like this. There's normally plenty of warning, and if you bothered looking at your screen and warp aligning you'd be fine.
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Elroth
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Posted - 2005.04.28 23:08:00 -
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if yyou don't like the fighting go play "a tale in the desert"
otherwise stop crying and think of ways to elimate this threat.
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Arcticblue2
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Posted - 2005.04.28 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: Necrologic
You can call this greifing all you like, but i think it should be allowed because you have to be a total fool to get ganked like this. There's normally plenty of warning, and if you bothered looking at your screen and warp aligning you'd be fine.
You are in 1.0, at no war... why should you expect anyone to come and gank you ?.
Besides have you ever tried to warp fast away in a Barge ?? I don't think so it is not THAT fast, doing it in a cruiser is fast ... mining barge take time to get up in speed.
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2005.04.28 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: Arcticblue2
Originally by: Necrologic
You can call this greifing all you like, but i think it should be allowed because you have to be a total fool to get ganked like this. There's normally plenty of warning, and if you bothered looking at your screen and warp aligning you'd be fine.
You are in 1.0, at no war... why should you expect anyone to come and gank you ?.
Besides have you ever tried to warp fast away in a Barge ?? I don't think so it is not THAT fast, doing it in a cruiser is fast ... mining barge take time to get up in speed.
I expect sombody to come gank me because i am aware that people suicide gank for fun.
I have flown barges before, i know how they handle. Aim yourself at a celestial object, preferably a station you have an instas to. When people enter your belt that you suspect to be gankers, warp. You should be able to before they can assemble to gank you, especially if you move far from the belts center. It's the same tactics you use when mining .4 and below, except you probably don't need to worry as much.
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Ryctor
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Posted - 2005.04.28 23:13:00 -
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No where is safe in eve. The player base needs to learn and get used to that idea.
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Ikvar
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Posted - 2005.04.28 23:14:00 -
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IIRC, Ashley & Co are not targeting miners in NPC corps.
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Arcticblue2
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Posted - 2005.04.28 23:15:00 -
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Originally by: Necrologic
I expect sombody to come gank me because i am aware that people suicide gank for fun.
I have flown barges before, i know how they handle. Aim yourself at a celestial object, preferably a station you have an instas to. When people enter your belt that you suspect to be gankers, warp. You should be able to before they can assemble to gank you, especially if you move far from the belts center. It's the same tactics you use when mining .4 and below, except you probably don't need to worry as much.
Gankers and Pirates have from 0.4 and below to play at, carebears and others have 0.5 and up to play at... just because people don't travel much in 0.4 and below anylonger is gankers and pirates own fault .. don't need to consider terrorism to try and force their gameplay on others.
This terrorism should be bannable offence... and I want CCP to state their view on it.
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Face Lifter
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Posted - 2005.04.28 23:15:00 -
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I would acknowledge this as a problem if it happened to many people repeatedly, even when they tried to find a new systems to mine and took other precautions.
But what you are refering to are just rare isolated events. Nobody is out there to prevent you from playing, you just got unlucky. You should expect to lose a ship once every several days, those are acceptable losses
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Erges
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Posted - 2005.04.28 23:16:00 -
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ah stop your whining its like real life. lets say you walk down to the store is there not a chance that your going to get jumped and robbed and possibly killed even in a safe city. no i dont think its right to jump people and steal what is theirs but hay its life i have had it happen to me plenty of times but no biggy.
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Arcticblue2
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Posted - 2005.04.28 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ikvar
IIRC, Ashley & Co are not targeting miners in NPC corps.
And YET they are not at war with any other corps than 3 for the moment... check that for yourself.
That is still terrorism against innocent miners... no matter how you tell this... if they blow up miners from corps they are at war with ... no problem.
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2005.04.28 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Arcticblue2
Originally by: Necrologic
I expect sombody to come gank me because i am aware that people suicide gank for fun.
I have flown barges before, i know how they handle. Aim yourself at a celestial object, preferably a station you have an instas to. When people enter your belt that you suspect to be gankers, warp. You should be able to before they can assemble to gank you, especially if you move far from the belts center. It's the same tactics you use when mining .4 and below, except you probably don't need to worry as much.
Gankers and Pirates have from 0.4 and below to play at, carebears and others have 0.5 and up to play at... just because people don't travel much in 0.4 and below anylonger is gankers and pirates own fault .. don't need to consider terrorism to try and force their gameplay on others.
This terrorism should be bannable offence... and I want CCP to state their view on it.
I disagree. Everybody has all of eve to play in, it's about what the individual can handle. I know plenty of "carebears" who have operated in low sec just fine. I've been one.
CCP has stated their view many times. Everything goes except what they have stated. If they intended to do anything about suicide ganking they would have by now.
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Arcticblue2
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Posted - 2005.04.28 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: Face Lifter
I would acknowledge this as a problem if it happened to many people repeatedly, even when they tried to find a new systems to mine and took other precautions.
But what you are refering to are just rare isolated events. Nobody is out there to prevent you from playing, you just got unlucky. You should expect to lose a ship once every several days, those are acceptable losses
I have not been unlucky... infact I have only got my ore stolen once... in the entire time I have played (over a year) and I have not lost any ships to suicide attacks .. (yet) I am not worried about myself even... what I am worried about is loss of players to this senseless ganking...
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